Episode 6

Post Oscar Recap 2024

Oscars Recap and Talking Points: Emotions, Predictions, and Changes We'd Make

In this episode, hosts Chris Wiegand and his brother Jerome recap the Oscars, discussing their reactions and predictions. They share their personal highs and lows, including being stunned by certain wins and losses. The brothers discuss various Oscar categories, celebrating wins they agreed with and lamenting those they found disappointing. They also delve into specific movies and performances, offering insights and personal anecdotes. Additionally, they suggest improvements for future Oscars, notably around the presentation of awards and the importance of showing movie clips to highlight nominees' performances. Throughout, they weave in personal stories, including Chris's house sale and Jerome's new recording studio, to add a personal touch to the Oscars discussion.

00:00 The Unexpected Oscar Moment: Emma Stone vs. Lily Gladstone

00:34 Introducing Silver Screen Happy Hour: Oscars Recap Edition

00:42 The Oscars Season Continues: Upcoming Episodes Tease

01:52 Oscar Predictions: Hits and Misses

02:29 What's in Our Glasses? A Toast to the Oscars

03:36 Personal Milestones: Celebrations and Changes

05:15 Navigating Oscar Night Without Cable: A Viewer's Dilemma

07:55 Oscar Night Highlights: Surprises and Snubs

11:34 Diving Deep into the Oscars: Technical Categories and More

27:38 The Big Wins: Analyzing the Top Oscar Categories

30:31 Oscar Night Recap: The Unexpected and the Unforgettable

31:08 Defending Robert Downey Jr.'s Oscar Moment

31:21 The Emotional Rollercoaster of Winning an Oscar

32:18 Best Actor Debate: The Controversy and the Winner

35:57 Best Actress Shock: Emma Stone's Win

41:02 Best Picture Drama: Oppenheimer's Triumph

49:16 Reflecting on the Oscars: Changes, Highlights, and Next Year's Plans

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Transcript
Jerome:

I should've seen it coming.

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When they read her name off,

I was sitting on the couch and

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I'm like, I fucking knew it.

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I knew it.

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Why did I think that wasn't gonna happen?

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It's kind of like one of those

where you're like, when you're

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watching a Lions game, and you're

like, Go for it, on forth down.

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Go for it, And then they don't get it,

and you're like, That's why you don't

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go for it, on forth down, goddammit.

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That's kind of how my emotions were.

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I'm like, come on, Lily's still got this.

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Lily's still got this.

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Come on.

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Lily Gladstone, just say it.

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And they're like, Emma Stone,

and I'm like, I fuckin' knew

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it was going to be Emma Stone.

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Why did I think it was

going to be lily Gladstone?

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Of course it's Emma Stone.

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Chris: You are listening to

the Silver Screen Happy Hour.

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I'm Chris Wiegand, along

with my brother Jerome.

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Jerome: I am here.

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Chris: Alright.

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Well the Oscars are over.

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We wanted to do a quick recap.

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We haven't gotten all of our Oscar

episodes out, but for us, Oscars season

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is just that it's a season, right?

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Yes.

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So we start when they announced the

nominees and we kind of go on from there.

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So, but yeah, what are we, what

are we going to be doing today?

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Jerome: We've already hinted, we've

already told you, I think that the next

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episode is Barbie versus Oppenheimer,

which is already in the can, right?

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You're just finishing it up.

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Yeah, that should be available soon.

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Available soon, and then next week

we record Killers of the Flower Moon.

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And The Holdovers?

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Yes.

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Okay, and The Holdovers.

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So, we're not done yet.

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Just because Oscar night is done.

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Chris: Holdovers of the

Flower Moon, I think.

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Jerome: We are not

Killers of the Holdovers.

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I like Holdovers of the Flower Moon.

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I like that one.

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So we, we're not done.

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Even though the Oscars are done,

we are not done because the Oscar

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season is when we get the best.

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Best of the best when it comes to

film, particularly screenplays,

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and we get to talk about them.

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So today we're going to

recap Sunday night's Oscars.

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This was just a couple of days ago.

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It'll be longer than that

by the time you hear it.

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I have to say, starting off, I was

disappointed with my 78 percent

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effectiveness in predicting

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Chris: I was telling people and

they're like, that's impressive.

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No, not, not if you knew him.

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Jerome: No, I'm normally around

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had 24 nominations, it was 20.

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If I could get 20 out of 24, that was 83%.

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Now that they have only

23, I got to get 19.

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19 is still a low 83, but

it's an 83 nonetheless.

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But I didn't get, I had 50.

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Five wrong this year.

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Five wrong.

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I was ashamed and I'll tell

you exactly where I went wrong.

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So let's kick it off.

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Chris: Hold on, hold on.

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What are we drinking?

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What are we drinking?

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Jerome: Now today I'm going light.

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I don't have any good

strong alcohols today.

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I'm going with just my lightsabers, my

Mic Ultra tall cans, the 25 ouncers.

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And because my brother was late getting

on, I already cracked this one open.

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I just couldn't wait anymore.

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That's some might call that a problem.

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I don't.

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I'm sure I will finish this

and be able to crack open a

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new one while we are recording.

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What are you drinking today, sir?

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Chris: Well, I felt like, since

we're covering the Oscars, it's a

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celebratory type of an event, and

this is a celebratory type of a drink.

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I went it's not champagne, because

it's actually made in California.

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Jerome: I was going to get a

bottle of champagne, too, but

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I thought that'd be too much.

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Chris: It is an extra dry sparkling

from California, with a twist top.

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Because I'm in a little studio

and, you know, twist top works.

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Oh, yeah.

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Alright, a little pop.

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There you go.

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Got the champagne glass.

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Jerome: Oh, look at you.

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You look like you're Tom Hanks over here.

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Chris: Good bubbly?

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Jerome: Yes, sir.

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Chris: we've been holding this

one out and it's appropriate.

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We're doing Oscars But we last week

listed our house and the same day I

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had two offers, one for asking price,

one for like 8, 000 over asking.

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Jerome: Congratulations!

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Chris: We accepted the 8, 000 over

asking and then later in the week, it

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had been a rollercoaster finding a house.

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We had multiple offers that

two of them fell through.

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Then we've, we found this custom

built house in Port Huron Township.

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Beautiful home.

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Needs, needs some updating

because I don't think the guy.

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Touch the carpet or paint since

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going to be a great place to call

home and they accepted our offer.

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So we're going through that process now.

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So hopefully, hopefully by

April, we're going to close on

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both the first week of April.

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And uh, so yeah, it's going to be crazy.

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And I'm saying that for

our audience to say.

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We might have a little lag in the shows

but I'm hoping we can actually get the

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Oscar run done and then maybe we'll

have a little break while we move.

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Jerome: I have some exciting news myself.

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Yeah.

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With, in about two weeks, we break

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ground on the new recording studio.

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Chris: Yes!

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Jerome: In the garage.

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Chris: So, it's all gonna line up.

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We might have to take a little

break so you can get that done

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and I can get the move done.

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Jerome: And I know I've said this

joke a million times, I will say

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it again and I will officially

be coming out of the closet.

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Chris: That's a lame joke.

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Jerome: Before, and I love

it every time I tell it.

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Now, before we get to the

nominations, first we have to

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address the elephant in the room.

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One of us was able to watch

this show, one of us was not.

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Chris: So I'm

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Jerome: What happened, sir?

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Chris: So here's the thing, in the

Oscars the Academy gives no shits.

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Because they, they don't

have zero shits left to give.

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They have zero sh zero shits to give.

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Because this was a record breaking

viewing, I think for the Oscars it was, it

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was an amazing like 19 million, which is.

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A decent night for the

Oscars, I think I read that.

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But apparently they give no shits

for people who don't have cable.

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And I live too far away from a large city

center so that even if I had bunny ears

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on my TV, I'm too far away to pick it up.

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The old way, the old analog.

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Actually it's not analog anymore,

you need a digital antenna.

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Jerome: So you'd have to stream it.

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Chris: So you have to stream it,

and I have no, all the streaming

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platforms request your cable provider,

and I don't have a cable provider.

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All I have, well I do have Xfinity,

but because I don't pay for the, the

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channels, I don't pay for local TV.

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I got nothing.

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And so I was trying to stream it.

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It was ABC, right?

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I was trying to, I went on ABC.

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com.

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ABC.

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com wanted my cable

provider and everything.

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And I put in Xfinity and it

said, no, you didn't pay for it.

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I'm like, God dang it.

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So I couldn't watch it.

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So I was bitter and I was like, screw it.

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And then I saw the Barbie snub was near

complete and I was really irritated

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that Oppenheimer took so many, even

though I know you're happy about it.

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So I was like, I'm glad I didn't watch.

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Jerome: We'll get to that.

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We'll get to that as we go.

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Chris: And there's a naked guy.

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I didn't need to see that either.

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Jerome: It's true.

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It's true.

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All of that is true.

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None of that is a lie.

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I have Fubo TV?

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Mm hmm.

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And it has live streaming, and

we don't, and we pay for Fubo.

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Yeah.

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So it's not a free streaming service.

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So we pay for that, which is

what gives us the live TV.

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That's how I was able to watch it.

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Chris: We had sling during

the football season, and I

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got rid of it after football.

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Jerome: Well, that's what my

wife, my lovely wife, said.

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Is like, you know, you don't watch Fubo

anymore because the Lions are done.

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Can't we put it on hold?

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Like, there's a hold.

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Like, you can, like, cancel payments

for, like, five months or whatever.

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She's like, we'll pick it

up again in football season.

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I said, you have to wait

until the Oscars are over.

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Right.

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Don't kill it now because

I lose my live TV.

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Chris: And that's the thing.

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I, you know, I don't watch TV and

that's why I hate paying for it.

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But we do stream things.

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So we pay for internet and we stream

shows on all, you know, several

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different streaming platforms.

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But the only thing I literally watch live

is football and apparently the Oscars.

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Didn't get to watch it.

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Jerome: So let's jump right in.

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Yeah.

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I am going to say, I'm going to start

from the bottom up, and this is not

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meant to sound offensive to those that

are involved in the short film industry,

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but we're going to address your films

first, not because you don't matter, but

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just because you really don't matter.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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I'm just kidding.

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I'm joking.

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I'm joking.

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Chris: What a dick.

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Jerome: I actually, I actually love,

here's a funny thing, I actually love

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when I take the girls to see, my kids

are still young, And when I take them

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to see, like, I want to say a month

ago, I took them to see Migration.

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Which they had already seen, but it's

like the only kids movie out right now.

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So if I wanted to treat

them to the movies, I gotta

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watch the same movie again.

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They don't care, they love it.

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This year, or this, this time that I

took them, they played an animated short.

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And I love when they do that because

sometimes they're up for Oscars and

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I actually get a chance to see them.

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I don't have the time to go to the

theater because they have theaters that

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will play Oscar nominated short films.

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I didn't have the time to do that.

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I almost never do.

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You know, I'm sorry to say, but there

are categories I'm intrigued by.

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And this year was particularly

interesting in the short film category.

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Let's start off first though

with a documentary feature.

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It was the one shoe

in, 20 Days of Mariple.

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Everyone knew that one was going to win.

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That was one of the ones I got right.

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But then of the short films,

there was three shorts.

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By the way, a little side bit real quick.

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On my score sheet, I printed up a score

sheet, a checklist, if you will, and

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I keep score as the show is going on.

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Right.

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You pointed out to me, and you were

correct, that I had misplaced the

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titles of the documentary short

film and the documentary feature.

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I had them swapped.

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Right.

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So, 20 Days in Miracle, which is

actually a documentary feature,

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was under my documentary short.

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And here's the funny part, I

didn't even realize it when they

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were in the middle of the Oscars.

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Kate McKinnon was giving out the

award and said documentary short, and

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I'm like, huh, she screwed that up.

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It's a documentary feature.

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I didn't even, I didn't even catch it!

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That, that I was possibly

the one that was wrong!

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How could you be wrong?

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And mistyped it, right.

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I thought she had had a few drinks.

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And she flubbed it.

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Sorry Kate, I guess you

were right and I was wrong.

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But in the documentary short

film category, The Last Repair

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Shop was the other shoe in.

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Some people were saying that the

ABCs of book banning was gonna win.

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Last Repair Shop pulled it out.

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Now, the other two categories

are even more interesting,

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well at least one of them is.

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The animated short film was War

is Over, inspired by music by

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John and Yoko, another shoe in

everyone knew that was gonna win.

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So those three were easy for

me, those were three for three.

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The fourth one I also got right, but

here's the interesting thing about it.

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The wonderful story of Henry Sugar was the

one that won live, best live action short.

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Who was not there to accept the Oscar,

the filmmaker behind it, Wes Anderson.

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Hmm.

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Which a lot of people don't

know this, that was his first

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Oscar out of seven nominations.

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Oh wow.

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He's normally, yeah, he's

normally the guy, he's known

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for, if you don't know the name.

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Oh yeah.

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He was the man behind the Royal

Tenenbaums and the Grand Budapest Hotel.

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You know, he's, he's a unique

writer, director, and he'd been

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nominated seven times and didn't win.

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And he goes at it on the short film level

and he nails it right out of the park.

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And of course he's not even there to

accept the Oscar, which was a total

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bummer, because I was glad to see that

Wes Anderson finally won an Oscar.

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He's so deserving.

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Everyone thought, including myself,

it was one of the ones I got wrong the

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year that Grand Budapest Hotel came out.

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I thought that was shoo in to

win Wes Anderson his first Oscar

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in the screenwriting category.

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And it didn't win.

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Alright, moving on up here,

let's get into some techs.

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Some technical ones.

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Visual effects, another shoe in.

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Godzilla minus one, really

had this one in the bag.

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Another one I haven't

seen, but the buzz it was.

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So by the way, for you guys that want

to know, like, how does he get these

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right if he's never seen these films.

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When I'm in California, it's a lot

easier now that I'm in California.

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When I was living in Chicago and Detroit.

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It wasn't as easy.

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I really had to just guess or see

what other publications were saying

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and say, okay, three out of four

magazines say this guy's going to win.

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Chris: And that was pre internet too.

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Jerome: So, yeah, yeah.

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So I actually had to buy Entertainment

Weekly and Movieline magazine.

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See what people were saying.

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Right, and see what people were saying.

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Now that I'm out here, it's a

lot easier as you get closer.

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I don't make predictions

anymore weeks ahead of time.

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I always wait and drop

it like the day before.

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I wait all the way to the end

because after the voting is all done.

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People start to talk and you hold your ear

to the sidewalk and you can hear the tea

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leaves of What everyone's talking about

right and you start to get this Everybody

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in town is saying the last repair

shop everybody in town is saying the

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wonderful story of Henry You know what?

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I mean?

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Like you start to hear the buzz

and that's when I'm like, okay

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These guys are going to win.

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It's not foolproof.

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As you can see, I got five wrong,

which means that even the front

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runners got a little wake up call.

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The next three were all upsets.

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As far as I'm concerned, I

had all three of these wrong.

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And I'm SHOCKED.

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The poor things.

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And I, and I'm gonna

tell ya, I got scared.

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I got scared that poor things

was, was trying to make a run.

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I posted on Facebook, I'm sure you saw it.

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I said, poor things is trying

to slay the dragon tonight.

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So, the three were in question are

best sound, best costume design,

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and best makeup and hairstyling.

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So Best Makeup and Hairstyling,

man, everybody had Maestro.

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They didn't have it penciled in.

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They had it written in concrete.

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That one was dead.

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Dead far and away, it's supposed to

be Maestro's only Oscar for the night.

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Maestro walks away with zero

Oscars because he got upset in

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that category by Poor Things.

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That was the start.

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I think when that happened, I

remember thinking, oh, Poor Things

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is going to try to make a run here.

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And then it wins costume design and

that was supposed to go to Barbie.

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So Barbie's first real big loss was

Poor Things really coming out swinging.

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It's like if you're in a heavyweight fight

and you're the underdog, you're But you

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get those first two uppercuts in right off

the bat and put the champ on the ropes.

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That's what poor things did with those two

because those were early on in the night.

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Chris: It's funny though, because

you were mentioning what was the

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Bradley Cooper movie Maestro.

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In, in the podcast that has not aired

yet you were talking about how you

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thought Bradley Cooper was going to

get his Oscar and how Greta was going

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to get hers in the writing category.

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I was sure of it!

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Yeah.

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So it's, it's, I'm glad we're

talking about this now because on

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the next episode that people are

going to hear the Oscars have already

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happened, but it was recorded before.

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So I'm going to have to give a

disclaimer at the beginning of the show.

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We recorded that around the

time the nominations came

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Jerome: out because we

talked about the nominations.

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So that tells you how far off

my predictions were then when I

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started to hear the tea leaves

and I started to understand that.

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Greta was not going to win.

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You know, my predictions changed.

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Let's move around there a little bit.

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Original song, that was another shoe in.

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Billie Eilish.

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Chris: I'm so glad she

won that one though.

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Jerome: Dude, you really have to YouTube

it since you didn't get to see it live.

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Her performance was on, I, it's

another post I made on Facebook.

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I said, Billie nailed it.

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It was such a great performance

and you could tell she was nervous.

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First time ever performing at the Oscars.

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Certainly it's not the biggest room she's

ever performed in front of, but to know

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that a billion other people are watching?

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Right!

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You could tell she was nervous as fuck

and when she, there was times when she

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looked at the guy playing the piano to

be like, Alright man, carry me, carry

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me through this, and then when it was

over, she looks immediately at him with

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this smile like, We fucking did it!

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We did it!

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The song is over.

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Yeah, I gotta, I have a YouTube video.

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I can't possibly screw up right now.

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I can't possibly fuck up now.

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The song is over.

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Like, it's just a sigh of

relief comes over her face.

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And then when everybody goes

nuts and clapping, you can

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see how much she loves it.

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She nailed it.

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It was so awesome.

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And then for her to win was great.

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She couldn't even get out an

acceptance speech at first.

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She was just like laughing.

384

:

Yeah, it was pretty good.

385

:

It was really good.

386

:

So all staying in the music

category, best original score.

387

:

Went to Oppenheimer, which we expected.

388

:

That was that one was an easy one.

389

:

But, it's interesting to note,

John Williams was nominated again.

390

:

This time for Indiana Jones

and the Dial of Destiny.

391

:

Trivia, how many Oscars does

John Williams have in his career?

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Chris: I have no idea.

393

:

Jerome: He has five.

394

:

Okay.

395

:

Which, for a composer,

is pretty damn good.

396

:

How many Oscar nominations does he have?

397

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Remember, this is the guy that did

Superman, Star Wars, Indiana Jones.

398

:

I know, I mean E.

399

:

T.

400

:

Chris: I have no idea.

401

:

20.

402

:

I mean, it makes sense, but

403

:

Jerome: He had 20 for breakfast.

404

:

He has 54 Oscar nominations.

405

:

Are you serious?

406

:

And he's the oldest ever to

be nominated at 91 years old.

407

:

Wow.

408

:

But here's the kicker.

409

:

He doesn't even have the most.

410

:

What?

411

:

He's in second place with 54 nominations.

412

:

Guess who has 59 Oscar

nominations in his career?

413

:

Who?

414

:

Walt Disney.

415

:

Oh my gosh.

416

:

So he's only behind the great

Walt Disney, who by the way

417

:

I think he'll catch him.

418

:

Not only do I, he'll probably catch him

if he stays alive, but it's a little

419

:

unfair because back then, like, Disney

was the only one doing that kind of shit.

420

:

Yeah, at first he was nominated.

421

:

In an animated feature category,

he was nominated five times.

422

:

Right, yeah, he got all five.

423

:

Yeah, so it's, that's not even fair.

424

:

I mean, the fact that John Williams has 54

over his career is way far more amazing.

425

:

It's impressive, yeah.

426

:

Okay, production design, that one I did

call for Poor Things, and it was, it,

427

:

it, it hit, and that one was correct.

428

:

At the time that hit though, that

was Poor Things third Oscar already,

429

:

and Oppenheimer hadn't won any yet.

430

:

Right.

431

:

So I was starting to think, oh, oh,

where is the, where is it pointing here?

432

:

I took a little shot to the

face on my animated feature.

433

:

I did not have The Boy

and the Heron winning.

434

:

I had Spider Man Across the Spider Verse.

435

:

Now I should have seen this one

coming because this was actually a

436

:

sequel to Spider Man Into the Spider

Verse, which came out five years ago.

437

:

And that one did win animated feature.

438

:

So I don't, you know, I mean, everyone was

saying Spider Man was going to win again.

439

:

I should have known better.

440

:

They're not going to do this twice.

441

:

But my girls were also disappointed

because they wanted Elemental to

442

:

win, which by the way, going back

to best song, I'm actually surprised

443

:

that the song from Elemental.

444

:

By the group Love.

445

:

I think it's called Steal the Show.

446

:

I'm really surprised that

didn't get nominated.

447

:

That's totally an Oscar type of song.

448

:

From a Disney movie.

449

:

You know what I mean?

450

:

I was really surprised Elemental

didn't get a Best Song nomination.

451

:

I would have put it in

ahead of I'm Just Ken.

452

:

I know that was a big

production at the Oscars.

453

:

Again, something you

might want to YouTube.

454

:

Chris: I did watch that one.

455

:

I saw it, someone posted it

on Facebook, so I watched it.

456

:

Jerome: Yeah, Slash, slash

showed up and performed.

457

:

That was badass.

458

:

I get it.

459

:

It was a great production.

460

:

Steal the Show from Elemental, I think

was a better song than I'm Just Ken.

461

:

So I'm really surprised.

462

:

I think the Barbie hype is what

got it two songs in one category.

463

:

Moving over to the other big shoe

in Best International Feature.

464

:

They used to call it Best Foreign

Film, now it's International Feature.

465

:

The Zone of Interest, which was up

for Best Picture wins this one easily.

466

:

Normally, when you're up for Best

Picture and Best Foreign Film,

467

:

International feature, you're gonna

get best international feature.

468

:

Yeah.

469

:

I mean, if you were that good to

crack the top 10 of best overall

470

:

picture, this one you usually have.

471

:

Chris: Didn't that one also star the same

actor that was uh, the woman that was in

472

:

Jerome: Anatomy of Fall?

473

:

Chris: Anatomy of Fall?

474

:

Yeah.

475

:

Jerome: Sandra Huller

so here's what I knew.

476

:

Chris: She did it.

477

:

She did it.

478

:

Jerome: She's fucking guilty.

479

:

And now you know.

480

:

Now, when you see the reception that

that movie got, and if you see, you

481

:

know, wait, we're not there yet.

482

:

Let's get there.

483

:

Let's get there.

484

:

Chris: Okay, go ahead.

485

:

Jerome: So the next two awards, put me

back at ease that Oppenheimer was fending

486

:

off the early blast by Poor Things.

487

:

It nailed both film editing and

cinematography, and these are two big

488

:

ones if you're trying to win Best Picture.

489

:

Yeah.

490

:

If you can get editing and cinematography,

and I was worried because Poor Things

491

:

was nominated for both, and I remember

thinking, here's how we'll know.

492

:

We'll know if it's going to be a Poor

Things night if they win one of these two.

493

:

Oppenheimer's in trouble,

but Oppenheimer won both.

494

:

So I was like, okay, Oppenheimer's

gonna, now, for those of you saying,

495

:

why were you so for Oppenheimer?

496

:

Oppenheimer to me was the

best film of the year.

497

:

Now I have changed my opinion.

498

:

On what my favorite movie of the year was.

499

:

I have been saying it was

Oppenheimer since last August.

500

:

Because since last August,

Oppenheimer was my favorite film.

501

:

And then something happened.

502

:

Chris: Well, what's your favorite?

503

:

Jerome: Which brings us to the

adapted screenplay category.

504

:

Before the Oscars were on.

505

:

By the way, they started

an hour early this year.

506

:

I don't know if you know that.

507

:

It started at four California time.

508

:

That's normally five o'clock.

509

:

Yeah, man.

510

:

That threw me off

because I had shit to do.

511

:

I was like running errands at Target

and I'm like, fuck, I got to get back.

512

:

One of the things I had to do was

I had to do laundry that morning.

513

:

Fold a bunch of clothes to laundry.

514

:

So I'm like, you know what?

515

:

I'm going to stream one of

the movies I hadn't seen yet.

516

:

Because I wanted to try to get as many

of these, of the top ten, of the top,

517

:

of the ten films that were nominated.

518

:

I wanted to get as many

of them done as possible.

519

:

There was one I didn't get to.

520

:

Well, there's a couple.

521

:

I did not see Zone of Interest.

522

:

Turns out, that's the only

one left I hadn't seen.

523

:

Okay.

524

:

I was at nine, and there was

one more that I hadn't seen yet.

525

:

And it was available to stream

if you rented it for four bucks.

526

:

So I did it.

527

:

Chris: What movie?

528

:

Jerome: American Fiction.

529

:

Chris: Oh.

530

:

Jerome: And I watched that

literally hours before the Oscars.

531

:

And I gotta say, that is my

favorite movie of the year.

532

:

Chris: Really?

533

:

So I, I didn't even care for it that much.

534

:

I thought it was okay.

535

:

When I, when I saw it, I thought

it was gonna be more of a comedy

536

:

because all the funny parts

were were, were in the trailer.

537

:

Jerome: But it was, it was funny as shit.

538

:

Not all the parts.

539

:

Chris: It was funny, but I, I saw

all the funny parts in the trailer.

540

:

Jerome: But, but that's what

I love about movies like that.

541

:

Yeah.

542

:

They're dramas.

543

:

They're not comedies that have drama.

544

:

They're dramas that have comedy.

545

:

Yeah.

546

:

And Sterling K.

547

:

Brown, who was up for Best Supporting

Actor, God, he was so funny.

548

:

Chris: Yeah, he was great.

549

:

I loved him in that movie.

550

:

He was great.

551

:

My favorite movie of the

year was The Holdovers.

552

:

Jerome: I loved that one, too.

553

:

I actually bought that one.

554

:

Chris: I told you I enjoyed

that one from beginning to end.

555

:

I wish I would have bought

it when I rented it.

556

:

I'll probably end up buying it, but

557

:

Jerome: I was at Target one

day, not the day in question.

558

:

This was months ago.

559

:

And I saw it on Blu ray.

560

:

So I said, you know what?

561

:

I love every movie that this guy's done.

562

:

Yeah.

563

:

And I'm gonna buy it because

I love him and I love Paul

564

:

Giamatti, who's always awesome.

565

:

So, I'm just gonna buy it.

566

:

I know it's up for all these

Oscars, I'm gonna buy it.

567

:

How, how bad can it possibly be?

568

:

And I did, I loved it too.

569

:

I thought it was great.

570

:

But man, American Fiction,

just had me rolling.

571

:

Just, I, one of my favorite scenes is

where he tries to get, The people away

572

:

from this book, that he doesn't want them

to buy it, and he goes, You know what?

573

:

I'm gonna change the name.

574

:

They're like, what are

you gonna change it to?

575

:

He's like,

576

:

"Fuck"!

577

:

And they're like, we love it!

578

:

That was his big move to

get them to scare them off.

579

:

And they love it.

580

:

They were reading the book, fuck.

581

:

I mean, it was, God, I

mean, it was so great.

582

:

I think maybe just because I'm a writer,

and from a writer's point of view, this

583

:

is the kind of movie that speaks to you.

584

:

You know, this was such a writer's movie.

585

:

And I was rolling.

586

:

And so I was more than happy to agree

with the hype that it was going to win

587

:

Best Adapted Screenplay, and it did.

588

:

And that's where we're at now.

589

:

The Writing Awards.

590

:

We got everything else, right?

591

:

Yeah, so Best Adapted Screenplay

beating out Greta for Barbie.

592

:

Now, again, you could argue, should

Greta have even been in that category?

593

:

You know, that's the big

controversy this year.

594

:

Barbie should have been in the

Original Screenplay category.

595

:

And I think it was for

some early award shows.

596

:

Didn't we talk about that?

597

:

Wasn't it like, it was nominated for

Best Original Screenplay at like, the

598

:

Globes I think you said WGA, I think.

599

:

You're talking about Barbie?

600

:

Writers Guild, yeah.

601

:

Chris: Yeah, in that last episode

that's gonna air after this one, the

602

:

one that we recorded that I'm editing,

the one about Barbie, you said that

603

:

in the other two big awards, I think

Globes and I forget the other one.

604

:

Jerome: I think it was WGA.

605

:

I think it was the Writers Guild.

606

:

Chris: Yeah, the SAG maybe?

607

:

Jerome: Well, SAG is actors.

608

:

Chris: Oh, right.

609

:

But Anyways, you said it was It was

nominated in the other category.

610

:

So Yeah.

611

:

Yeah.

612

:

Jerome: So that's So

that's the big controversy.

613

:

Christopher Nolan, of course, didn't

win because, you know, they knew they

614

:

were gonna give it the top prize.

615

:

This was a shot for Tony

McNamara for Poor Things.

616

:

Mm hmm.

617

:

Because, again, if Poor Things was gonna

win, this would have been a big indicator.

618

:

I'm glad it went to American Fiction.

619

:

Again, I had, it was one

of the ones I hadn't seen.

620

:

Ends up being my favorite

film of the year.

621

:

It wasn't the best film of the year.

622

:

I still think Oppenheimer was the

best overall movie of the year.

623

:

I was pulling for it to

win the Oscars that it did.

624

:

Moving over to best original screenplay.

625

:

Chris: Hold on, was, was that the

only thing American fiction took in?

626

:

Jerome: Yes, that's the only award it won.

627

:

Chris: Yeah, well I'm

glad it won something.

628

:

It was, it was good.

629

:

I mean, but to me, like, I don't know,

like I said, my expectations were higher

630

:

for the comedy side, but it ended up

being more of a drama to me, you know, so.

631

:

Jerome: Certainly his

part was mostly dramatic.

632

:

The brother is the one that brought

633

:

Chris: Yeah, Sterling K.

634

:

Brown was awesome, man.

635

:

Jerome: They're loading up his bags in

the trunk, and he's already drinking

636

:

whiskey or something, and he's like,

Goddamn, dude, it's eight in the morning.

637

:

He's like, I'm not flying

the fucking plane, Monk!

638

:

And then when he's in his kitchen

with this gay lover, and he's all, Are

639

:

you offended that I've taken a lover?

640

:

He's like, No, I'm offended that

you used the term taking a lover.

641

:

Chris: Right, I know.

642

:

That was good.

643

:

Jerome: Oh man, I don't know man,

that movie just had me rolling.

644

:

I'm folding clothes and V was in the

room, my wife was in the room because

645

:

she was doing tax stuff and so she

was at the desk doing taxes and every

646

:

time I'm laughing she kept turning

around like what are you watching?

647

:

I'm like this movie is hilarious man.

648

:

Chris: Yeah, so Jessie and

I saw that at the theater.

649

:

Jerome: Yeah, I kept thinking

that you said you had already

650

:

seen it early on, right?

651

:

You saw it before.

652

:

Chris: Yeah,

653

:

Jerome: yeah,

654

:

Chris: after it was nominated.

655

:

But still.

656

:

Jerome: Oh, the nomination's

already come out.

657

:

Okay, cool.

658

:

Yeah, I, I really, I, I enjoy it.

659

:

It was my favorite one to watch.

660

:

Okay, so moving over to best

original screenplay, which is

661

:

usually my favorite category.

662

:

Cause I'm an original screenwriter.

663

:

I, I very, I have adapted.

664

:

I rarely adapt.

665

:

I usually write original screenplays,

so this is my favorite category.

666

:

Chris: And you called this one too, right?

667

:

Jerome: Called this one and, and

totally deserving, Anatomy of a Fault.

668

:

Now, I, I, Again, if you watched it from

your goggles, you might say, Why would

669

:

this movie win Best Original Screenplay?

670

:

Chris: Yeah, because at the end

of that movie, I thought, Nah.

671

:

Okay, but after you told me your spin,

I was like, oh shit, I gotta rewatch it.

672

:

Jerome: And I feel like everybody

thought the same thing I did.

673

:

Yeah.

674

:

Because that's why they gave

it Best Original Screenplay.

675

:

They saw it and thought the same thing.

676

:

Like, holy shit, she's guilty, and what

a creative way to write this movie.

677

:

Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

678

:

Jerome: Okay, here we go.

679

:

Ready?

680

:

Here we go.

681

:

That was for Justin Therrier and

Arthur Harari, who won the Oscar for

682

:

For Anatomy of the Fall, which by

the way, again, because you didn't

683

:

get to see it, The dog was there.

684

:

Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you said that.

685

:

Jerome: He was in the crowd, and Jimmy

Kimmel even mentioned, he's like,

686

:

For those of you who haven't seen it,

This dog has an overdose scene, And

687

:

everybody was going nuts, like, That just

proves to me that that dog was acting.

688

:

They did not drug this dog.

689

:

Like, that dog did that shit.

690

:

Chris: Well, they should have made

him like, perform on stage, drop

691

:

dead with his tongue hanging out.

692

:

Jerome: And his eyes rolling back,

that dog, I'm telling you, I said

693

:

it before, that dog is the Daniel

Day Lewis of fucking canines, dude.

694

:

I mean, that was amazing.

695

:

Okay, so now we're into the top six here.

696

:

I should have gone six for six.

697

:

I went five for six.

698

:

Let's do the easy ones first.

699

:

Supporting roles.

700

:

Robert Downey Jr.

701

:

wins for Oppenheimer.

702

:

We knew that.

703

:

And Da'Vine Joy Randolph

for the Holdovers.

704

:

Another one I knew was going to happen.

705

:

She was so great.

706

:

She was the glue that held

that movie together, I thought.

707

:

Chris: And that was the only nod

that the Holdovers got, right?

708

:

Jerome: That was the only one they won?

709

:

It's the only one they won, yeah.

710

:

It's the only Oscar they took home.

711

:

And she was well deserved.

712

:

Oh God, she

713

:

was so great.

714

:

And like I said, As great as Paul Giamatti

is and as great as the writing is and

715

:

those were obviously a delight the

entire time you're watching the film.

716

:

She's the glue, man.

717

:

She brings the the whole Subplot

about her son being killed in Vietnam,

718

:

and you just know that she needs

719

:

Chris: Well, you had mentioned it

before, without the, the, like,

720

:

sometimes the best supporting actor

Like, you, you mentioned Obi Wan, right?

721

:

In the original Star Wars.

722

:

It's, it's not just the, I don't

know, sometimes they hold it together.

723

:

They, they bring the, the characters

together, and they, they kind

724

:

of keep the story moving along.

725

:

And, yeah, it's, and she did all that.

726

:

Jerome: Yeah, she's,

she's she's the B story.

727

:

You know, when we talk, we go to

break that down next week, we'll

728

:

talk about again the beats and we'll

see where she fits in on the beats.

729

:

Right.

730

:

Moving over to Robert Downey Jr.

731

:

now.

732

:

A lot of people didn't like this one.

733

:

Chris: I was happy with it, even

though I wasn't happy with, I was less

734

:

happy with Cillian Murphy winning.

735

:

Cause remember I just, I was upset that

he got nominated for staring with PTSD.

736

:

Like, come on man, I was not sympathetic.

737

:

Jerome: We're not there yet,

we're not that, at that award yet.

738

:

But I think what people were

upset about, Actually, I don't

739

:

think they were upset, honestly.

740

:

About Robert Downey Jr.?

741

:

Yeah, there was a few people.

742

:

So, one of the things was, is, you

know, they said the same thing about

743

:

when Angela Bassett lost last year in

the Best Supporting Actress category.

744

:

They kept saying, Oh, they

should have won for this.

745

:

This is BS.

746

:

This is a conspiracy.

747

:

They should have won, blah, blah, blah.

748

:

They should have won for something else.

749

:

Blah, blah, blah.

750

:

All I heard all weekend, After

the Oscars, at least all Sunday

751

:

night, was Robert Downey Jr.

752

:

should have won for Chaplin back in 91.

753

:

He lost to Anthony Hopkins

in Silence of the Lambs.

754

:

He wasn't gonna win Chaplin, alright?

755

:

Chris: Yeah, and he was relatively

new as far as a big name.

756

:

Jerome: Yeah, oh yeah, he wasn't a

huge name yet, right, right, right.

757

:

But also, the other thing that

angered people was, I guess when

758

:

he went up on stage, he took

the Oscar from key, key, key.

759

:

What's, oh shit.

760

:

We had his name from

everything everywhere else.

761

:

Once, oh, short round.

762

:

I'll just call him Short

round . So, so offensive.

763

:

I guess calling him by his

character name when he was a child.

764

:

I could call him Data.

765

:

Data from the Goonies.

766

:

No.

767

:

Ki ki way.

768

:

Kwan Kii.

769

:

Yeah.

770

:

Just, just kidding.

771

:

Kiwi.

772

:

Love you.

773

:

We all love him.

774

:

Everyone loves him.

775

:

He was so excited about

presenting that part of the award.

776

:

Oh, I bet.

777

:

And then he was the one that got the hand.

778

:

Downey the Oscar.

779

:

Yeah, and everyone was miffed

that he got up on stage.

780

:

He shook two of the dude's hands.

781

:

I can't remember which two of the five

he shook, but he didn't even look at

782

:

keyway when he took the oscar Oh, really?

783

:

And he was and he just sort of

like took it and looked off.

784

:

Chris: Yeah, that's a missed opportunity.

785

:

Mr Junior, mr.

786

:

Downey

787

:

Jerome: and everybody was upset.

788

:

He didn't even acknowledge him.

789

:

So here's my defense of robert downey jr

790

:

I don't care how many times you've

practiced your Oscar speech in your

791

:

bathroom mirror, when you fucking get

your name called, I cannot imagine

792

:

Chris: Oh, your mind's

racing, I can't, yeah.

793

:

Jerome: What you're thinking when you

get up I mean, actresses have tripped

794

:

going up the stairs on their dress.

795

:

Because they've probably practiced

that move a hundred times and they

796

:

still fuck it up after their name

is called because you have no idea

797

:

what's going through their head.

798

:

It's amazing.

799

:

And then you get up there and all these

people are clapping and you're like, I

800

:

don't even know, you know what I mean?

801

:

Like, shit, I've completely

forgotten my acceptance speech.

802

:

Right?

803

:

Right.

804

:

I can't imagine what he was thinking.

805

:

Chris: Well, to your

point, I mean, Emma Stone.

806

:

Yeah, I did see I don't know if

I saw her entire speech, but oh

807

:

my God, it was like a blabbering

mess, but it was awesome, right?

808

:

Because you want, you want that real

emotion when someone wins, you know?

809

:

Jerome: Absolutely.

810

:

That's what people love.

811

:

That's what people love.

812

:

And so I'm going to give him a

little bit of defense on that.

813

:

But he did win.

814

:

He was projected to win.

815

:

He was a sure win.

816

:

Percentage wise, I'm still looking okay.

817

:

Until we get to Best Actress.

818

:

Actually, let's do Best Actor first.

819

:

So, Cillian Murphy was another one that,

820

:

Chris: Boo.

821

:

I'm a dick.

822

:

I'm like, booing this

guy for his Oscar win.

823

:

Jerome: Here's the funny thing.

824

:

Paul Giamatti might have been

the closest competitor, right?

825

:

Chris: And that's who I wanted.

826

:

Jerome: It was really between

him and Paul Giamatti.

827

:

Although Having watched American

Fiction right before the Oscars, I

828

:

remember thinking, Jeffrey Wright, man!

829

:

Come on, he's got a shot!

830

:

I mean, I started to like, but, but, like,

like I said, it was really Sterling K.

831

:

Brown that stole the show in that movie.

832

:

As good as Jeffrey Wright was, it

was, I don't think it was anything

833

:

that was, I mean, let's, let's

be honest, looking at this group,

834

:

there's not a Rain Man in here.

835

:

You know what I mean?

836

:

There's not a Forrest Gump in here.

837

:

This is, you know, this

is not one, there's no Al

838

:

Pacino's playing a blind guy.

839

:

You know what I mean?

840

:

Like

841

:

Chris: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess

the closest thing would have been

842

:

Cillian Murphy with his accent.

843

:

Right?

844

:

I mean

845

:

Jerome: Maybe, yeah.

846

:

Chris: Because He had, I mean,

that was acting, for sure.

847

:

Jerome: Yeah, well, yeah.

848

:

I mean, I, I honestly believe that when

Michael Caine won Best Supporting Actor

849

:

for Cider House Rules, it was because

he's a Brit who nailed that Boston accent.

850

:

I mean, you would have

thought he was American.

851

:

Yeah.

852

:

I mean, his voice was

amazing in that movie.

853

:

Like, he didn't miss a beat.

854

:

With that Boston accent New England

accent, I guess I should say.

855

:

So, I guess, yeah, to that point,

he really nailed the, the dialogue.

856

:

But, I, I just think when you're

carrying a three hour film

857

:

that you're rarely off screen.

858

:

Like, he, I want to say the

only times he's not on screen

859

:

is the, is the Robert Downey Jr.

860

:

scenes.

861

:

And not even all of them.

862

:

He's in, he's in some of those too.

863

:

But the Robert Downey Jr.

864

:

with the Han Solo you know, the

scenes where those guys have together.

865

:

You know what I'm talking about?

866

:

The guy that plays Solo

in the new movie, Solo.

867

:

Oh, right.

868

:

Alden, Alden something.

869

:

I forget his name.

870

:

Sorry.

871

:

Yeah, I have the I have to look it up.

872

:

But Those scenes where they're

in together are the only scenes

873

:

that Oppenheimer's not in.

874

:

That Cillian Murphy isn't in.

875

:

He carries most of a three hour film.

876

:

And, and yes, you said

there was a lot of staring.

877

:

I think he wore the emotions perfectly.

878

:

I think there was a lot of times

where you saw it in his eyes.

879

:

Chris: And part of me poo pooing his

performance, it says more about my lack

880

:

of empathy for the man Oppenheimer,

not the actor playing Oppenheimer.

881

:

Jerome: Well, I mean, we can't do that.

882

:

Chris: Well, that's what I did 100%.

883

:

Jerome: Did you have

sympathy for Hannibal Lecter?

884

:

I mean, you know?

885

:

I mean, obviously, you play, again,

and I've heard that argument.

886

:

So far the last couple

days on the internet, too.

887

:

275, 000 people dead and

we award him an Oscar.

888

:

They know that that's not

the real Oppenheimer, right?

889

:

That there was an actor playing him?

890

:

Right.

891

:

Come on, guys.

892

:

Like, fucking And again, and this

is a good argument that you have.

893

:

I'm sure all these people would

give their Oscars back to have the

894

:

atrocities not happen in real life.

895

:

Oh, sure.

896

:

But they did, right?

897

:

I'm sure Charlize Theron would say,

I'd rather not be an Academy Award

898

:

winning actress if Aileen Wuornos

didn't murder a bunch of people

899

:

and then I play her in a movie.

900

:

Right?

901

:

Like, bad people have

movies made about them.

902

:

It's just the way it is.

903

:

And sometimes if the performances

are good, they win Oscars.

904

:

We're not honoring the

atrocities that they did.

905

:

We're honoring the fucking actor

or actress that portrayed them.

906

:

Let's not lose focus on that.

907

:

I mean, you know, I

mean, but, I don't know.

908

:

I thought, I thought he was great.

909

:

Chris: So, I'm less upset about him

winning Best Actor as I am about

910

:

Oppenheimer winning Best Pitcher.

911

:

Jerome: Okay, we'll get to that.

912

:

We're not there yet.

913

:

So, Best Actress.

914

:

Move along to Best Actress,

which was one of my big wrongs.

915

:

And again, if I normally get four wrong,

this was my fifth wrong of the night.

916

:

And it ruined my score, dropped

it down to 78 percent as it were.

917

:

I really was surprised.

918

:

Now, I wasn't that surprised

that During the night because

919

:

the way poor things was going.

920

:

Yeah, I remember thinking Emma's gonna

win this She's gonna fucking end up

921

:

winning this because it's obvious that

they love poor things So they're gonna

922

:

give it to him, but I kept fighting

it and I still had Lily up until that

923

:

night up until that moment I was still

come on Lily's got this and here's

924

:

the reason why She won the SAG award.

925

:

Yeah, she had all the momentum And you

know, I know that Emma won a few and then

926

:

Lily won a few, but the SAG is usually the

tiebreaker before you get to the Oscars.

927

:

And I got to say, it's roughly

like 75, 80 percent of the time,

928

:

whoever wins the SAG wins the Oscar.

929

:

There are a few exceptions.

930

:

I, I, I'd have to look it up.

931

:

I know off the top of my head, I

know Frances McDormand for Nomadland.

932

:

She did not win the SAG,

but she won the Oscar.

933

:

I want to say Olivia

Colman for The Favorite.

934

:

She won, She did not win the

SAG, but she won the Oscar.

935

:

So it does happen.

936

:

Like I said, 75 80 percent of the time,

though, whoever wins that SAG award,

937

:

because that's all the actors, which

is the largest branch of the Academy.

938

:

So when the actors pick somebody

to win their union award,

939

:

Chris: Yeah, chances are they're

voting for them for the Oscar too.

940

:

Jerome: Chances are, the biggest

branch of the Academy is gonna vote for

941

:

them for Best Actress for the Oscars.

942

:

So it was a little shocking.

943

:

But when you think about it,

and here's why it makes sense.

944

:

And by the way, I have to say,

945

:

Chris: I'm gonna let that

fizz a little bit there.

946

:

I love the intermittent

little, little pours.

947

:

Jerome: Yeah.

948

:

It's the sound my pee makes

when it's in the toilet.

949

:

Oh God.

950

:

It starts bubbling and fizzing.

951

:

That might be a problem.

952

:

I have to get that checked.

953

:

Okay So, in hindsight, hindsight's

20 20, here's what I was talking

954

:

about earlier when I said I

should have seen this one coming.

955

:

I should have seen this one coming.

956

:

Not just because poor things came

out of the gate swinging, but

957

:

because when somebody, or, oh, by

the other way, the other thing is,

958

:

Emma Stone's already won an Oscar.

959

:

She already won for La La Land.

960

:

Right.

961

:

So I'm like, she already won one, right?

962

:

Lily hasn't won anything yet.

963

:

She's the first Native American woman

to ever be nominated for an Oscar.

964

:

This is, and she won the SAG.

965

:

So this is a guarantee.

966

:

This is a shoe in.

967

:

Here's why I shouldn't have been

so naive and why I shouldn't

968

:

have gotten blindsided.

969

:

First of all, the whole belief that

it's an honor just to be nominated.

970

:

You're the first Native American

actress to be nominated for an Oscar.

971

:

They probably thought that was enough.

972

:

You got nominated.

973

:

That's pretty big.

974

:

Here's the other thing.

975

:

Emma Stone played a character, which now

in hindsight, I have to say, I have to

976

:

admit that even though I thought Lily

Gladstone was going to win, Emma Stone's

977

:

was the best performance of the year.

978

:

Mm.

979

:

Arguably in both categories.

980

:

Chris: I haven't seen it yet.

981

:

Jerome: Arguably.

982

:

But from what I know about it.

983

:

In all four acting categories, Emma

Stone's was the best of the year.

984

:

Wow.

985

:

So.

986

:

That says a lot.

987

:

Wait till you see it.

988

:

Now so she plays somebody I

don't wanna give away too much

989

:

of it, but she basically has

to, her brain has to develop.

990

:

She starts off with a baby's

brain that William Defoe put in

991

:

her head, and she has to age.

992

:

Gradually,

993

:

Chris: but she's got a young

woman's body or something like that.

994

:

Jerome: Yeah.

995

:

She's got yeah, like a like a 20s

Something body, but she's got a

996

:

child's brain and it has to develop

but it advances a faster rate than

997

:

most people but as she progresses

from this childlike person at the

998

:

beginning Who's still learning how to

walk and talk to how she is at the end?

999

:

Is the growth of a child to an adulthood

that we see in two hours And it's the

:

00:39:54,459 --> 00:39:58,184

kind of film and this is again Why I

shouldn't have been blindsided by this.

:

00:39:58,924 --> 00:40:01,124

Dustin Hoffman had already won an Oscar.

:

00:40:01,754 --> 00:40:04,554

But when Rain Man came out, they were

like, Eh, we gotta give it to him.

:

00:40:04,784 --> 00:40:06,404

That's, Rain Man's too amazing.

:

00:40:06,454 --> 00:40:07,404

Too amazing of a performance.

:

00:40:08,324 --> 00:40:11,254

Tom Hanks just won an Oscar

for Philadelphia, and then

:

00:40:11,254 --> 00:40:12,134

Forrest Gump comes out.

:

00:40:12,384 --> 00:40:16,974

And they're like, Oh, but this, this, this

handicap thing, it gets us every time.

:

00:40:17,364 --> 00:40:18,214

We gotta give it to him.

:

00:40:18,264 --> 00:40:19,704

I should have seen this one coming.

:

00:40:19,994 --> 00:40:23,404

Emma Stone had already won one,

but this was one of those, quote

:

00:40:23,404 --> 00:40:27,424

unquote, handicap performances

that you just can't get around.

:

00:40:27,784 --> 00:40:28,044

Right?

:

00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:30,014

So I should have seen it coming.

:

00:40:30,034 --> 00:40:32,354

When they read her name off,

I was sitting on the couch and

:

00:40:32,354 --> 00:40:33,838

I'm like, I fucking knew it.

:

00:40:33,838 --> 00:40:34,878

I knew it.

:

00:40:34,878 --> 00:40:36,394

Why did I think that was gonna happen?

:

00:40:36,584 --> 00:40:39,174

It's kind of like one of those where

you're like, when you're watching a Lions

:

00:40:39,174 --> 00:40:42,774

game, and you're like, go for it on 4th

down, go for it 4th, and then they don't

:

00:40:42,784 --> 00:40:45,839

get it, and you're like, that's why you

don't go for it on 4th down, goddammit.

:

00:40:46,059 --> 00:40:47,859

That's kind of how my emotions were.

:

00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,119

I'm like, come on, Lily still got this.

:

00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,149

Lily still got this.

:

00:40:51,179 --> 00:40:51,539

Come on.

:

00:40:51,629 --> 00:40:52,549

Lily Gladstone.

:

00:40:52,569 --> 00:40:53,149

Just say it.

:

00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:53,879

And they're like, Emma Stone.

:

00:40:53,879 --> 00:40:55,039

And I'm like, I fucking knew it.

:

00:40:55,259 --> 00:40:56,489

I knew it was going to be Emma Stone.

:

00:40:56,499 --> 00:40:58,009

Why did I think it was

going to be Lily Gladstone?

:

00:40:58,019 --> 00:40:58,789

Of course it's Emma Stone.

:

00:40:59,129 --> 00:40:59,979

So it was one of those.

:

00:41:00,539 --> 00:41:01,239

I knew it.

:

00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,129

I just knew it.

:

00:41:02,489 --> 00:41:05,099

Which of course takes us to

the last two of the night.

:

00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:05,769

The two big ones.

:

00:41:05,769 --> 00:41:06,929

Christopher Nolan, of course.

:

00:41:06,929 --> 00:41:08,209

Best director for Oppenheimer.

:

00:41:08,399 --> 00:41:09,769

And then best picture Oppenheimer.

:

00:41:10,169 --> 00:41:11,349

Seven Oscars, man.

:

00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:12,389

You can't, I mean, it.

:

00:41:12,609 --> 00:41:16,569

It was technically, technically speaking,

and as far as acting is concerned,

:

00:41:16,569 --> 00:41:18,079

obviously it won two acting awards.

:

00:41:18,529 --> 00:41:19,639

It was the best film of the year.

:

00:41:19,659 --> 00:41:21,259

It's the best made film of the year.

:

00:41:21,469 --> 00:41:23,729

My favorite, personal

favorite, was American Fiction.

:

00:41:24,019 --> 00:41:25,729

A lot of people's

favorites was Poor Things.

:

00:41:26,189 --> 00:41:29,129

Poor Things I think was too out

there though to win the top prize.

:

00:41:29,209 --> 00:41:30,729

Chris: My favorite was The Holdovers.

:

00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:34,444

Jerome: And The Holdovers is good, but

I wouldn't even say Holdovers is bad.

:

00:41:34,814 --> 00:41:37,294

Pain and Giamatti's best connection.

:

00:41:37,294 --> 00:41:38,464

I always liked Sideways.

:

00:41:38,464 --> 00:41:40,624

I should have thought they both

should have went for Sideways.

:

00:41:40,914 --> 00:41:42,744

That's my favorite Giamatti movie.

:

00:41:42,964 --> 00:41:44,284

But again, he plays a writer in that.

:

00:41:44,294 --> 00:41:45,094

You see where this is going?

:

00:41:45,094 --> 00:41:49,194

And by the way, American fiction was very

much felt like an Alexander Payne movie.

:

00:41:49,544 --> 00:41:51,864

The music, the pacing.

:

00:41:51,884 --> 00:41:55,294

I remember watching it going, if

this was a white version of this

:

00:41:55,294 --> 00:41:59,084

movie, it would be Paul Giamatti

and Alexander Payne directing.

:

00:41:59,084 --> 00:42:01,834

Like, this is the black version

of Paul Giamatti movies.

:

00:42:02,129 --> 00:42:03,109

That's how I felt.

:

00:42:03,419 --> 00:42:05,459

And, and again, that's why I like

sideways and that's why I liked

:

00:42:05,459 --> 00:42:10,799

American fiction, but Oppenheimer,

no, it was the best film of the year.

:

00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:12,559

It is the best film of the year.

:

00:42:12,610 --> 00:42:15,270

Everyone was like, Oh, killers

of the flower moon that

:

00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:16,550

walked away with zero Oscars.

:

00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:17,090

Yeah.

:

00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,590

You know, and again, we're

going to cover that next week.

:

00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:21,090

I watched that one.

:

00:42:21,090 --> 00:42:21,290

Yeah.

:

00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:23,130

I don't want to talk too much

about it, but I did watch that one

:

00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:28,340

the night, but the day before the

Oscars on Saturday and it's good.

:

00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:30,210

It's Scorsese good.

:

00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:33,230

But it's not Goodfellas.

:

00:42:33,260 --> 00:42:33,780

You know what I mean?

:

00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:37,660

It's not, it's not a film that I

thought, oh my god, stop all the presses.

:

00:42:38,060 --> 00:42:39,730

This is the one that's

gonna sweep the awards.

:

00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:43,400

It's important, but I don't think it's

any more important than Oppenheimer is.

:

00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,160

Especially, Oppenheimer's

very topical to today.

:

00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:50,270

As far as, you know, you see the

wars that are going on in the world.

:

00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:56,880

How close we are at any moment for any,

any world leader could end the world.

:

00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,320

Yeah.

:

00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:59,700

I thought it was topical.

:

00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,250

I thought it was the best made.

:

00:43:01,470 --> 00:43:02,750

It was very well acted.

:

00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,190

It was amazingly directed.

:

00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:06,520

Again, we're going to

release that episode.

:

00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,080

You're going to hear my

thoughts on the beats.

:

00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,360

What did you think overall?

:

00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,320

You wanted the Holdovers.

:

00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:12,490

Chris: I wanted Holdovers.

:

00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:14,030

I wish they had better showing.

:

00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:16,490

But, you know, it is what it is.

:

00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,440

I'm going to have to figure

something out for next year if I'm

:

00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,490

going to be doing a movie podcast.

:

00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:23,990

I mean, I gotta watch, I'm

gonna have to fly to California

:

00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:25,310

to watch the Oscars with ya.

:

00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:29,110

Jerome: Yeah, well, I mean, well the

funny thing is, and don't tell my

:

00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:31,710

wife, it doesn't matter, she never

listens to these podcasts anyway.

:

00:43:32,515 --> 00:43:34,135

But I remember thinking, you know

what, next year I'm going to watch

:

00:43:34,135 --> 00:43:34,945

this at somebody else's house.

:

00:43:35,715 --> 00:43:37,355

Because she still thinks

it's a regular Sunday.

:

00:43:37,695 --> 00:43:39,725

Oh, are you going to get

the kids in their jammies?

:

00:43:39,725 --> 00:43:40,175

Are you going to?

:

00:43:40,195 --> 00:43:42,585

And I'm like, I'm fucking

watching the Oscars, man.

:

00:43:42,595 --> 00:43:43,795

It's like Super Bowl Sunday.

:

00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:44,645

What are you talking about?

:

00:43:44,645 --> 00:43:45,785

Just act like I'm at work.

:

00:43:45,815 --> 00:43:47,055

I'm not here right now.

:

00:43:47,065 --> 00:43:47,605

Like, what?

:

00:43:48,075 --> 00:43:52,045

And I hate to be a deadbeat dad and

deadbeat husband, but it was Oscar night.

:

00:43:52,735 --> 00:43:53,925

She's like, so I'm on my own.

:

00:43:53,925 --> 00:43:54,275

I'm like, kinda?

:

00:43:55,095 --> 00:43:55,835

I mean, it's Oscars.

:

00:43:57,870 --> 00:44:00,450

And the worst thing is, I'm like,

she's known me for, she's done, this

:

00:44:00,450 --> 00:44:01,980

is like her 11th Oscars with me.

:

00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:04,579

I'm like, we do this every year.

:

00:44:04,580 --> 00:44:05,540

The 11th time!

:

00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,210

Don't you, I, you don't get it by now?

:

00:44:07,590 --> 00:44:09,460

This is bigger to me than the Super Bowl.

:

00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:09,860

Yeah.

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But anyway.

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00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:12,540

Chris: Maybe you should fly

back here and you can watch,

:

00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,650

we can have a an Oscar party.

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00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:14,730

An Oscar party?

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00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:18,770

With you know, Kaitlynn and all the

kids that want to be part of that.

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00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,520

Jerome: By the way, I sent Kaitlynn my

pics again this year as I do every year.

:

00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:23,050

I didn't hear a peep from her this year.

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00:44:23,050 --> 00:44:23,690

Did she not have pics?

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00:44:23,810 --> 00:44:24,550

Chris: I don't know.

:

00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:27,520

I think they were dealing with

I think they had a stomach

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00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,190

bug or something last weekend.

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00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:31,230

So they might have been a little occupied.

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00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,040

Even more

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00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,750

Jerome: the reason to be on the couch with

a blanket over you watching the Oscars.

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00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:36,940

Chris: She'll probably hate

me for putting this in here.

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00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:37,870

I'll have to cut it all out.

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00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:39,690

Jerome: Oh no.

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00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:41,544

We air our dirty laundry on this show.

:

00:44:42,785 --> 00:44:46,205

So anyway, I came in at 78 percent

normally at 83 if I had one Emma

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00:44:46,215 --> 00:44:49,975

Stone, if I had one Lily, rather

Gladstone beating Emma Stone.

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00:44:50,555 --> 00:44:52,995

Chris: In spite of my

disappointment, I love this season.

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00:44:53,005 --> 00:44:54,195

I love doing this with you.

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00:44:54,195 --> 00:44:56,765

So I'm glad glad we got to

sit down and record this.

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00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:57,550

Jerome: real quick.

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00:44:57,570 --> 00:45:01,410

I would I needed two actually I needed

the Lily Gladstone and one of those

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00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,110

costume or makeup ones to hit my 83

But poor things really pissed in my

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00:45:06,110 --> 00:45:09,620

beer that night All right, six degrees.

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00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:10,130

So what?

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00:45:10,395 --> 00:45:11,855

are the rules.

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00:45:11,905 --> 00:45:13,855

This is weird because

we're not doing two movies.

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00:45:13,875 --> 00:45:14,865

Chris: Yeah, this is weird.

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00:45:14,865 --> 00:45:19,065

So you, asked for two actors

in the acting categories.

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00:45:19,065 --> 00:45:22,645

You didn't specify best actor,

best actress, supporting

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00:45:22,645 --> 00:45:23,635

actor, supporting actress.

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00:45:23,635 --> 00:45:24,825

Jerome: Any category, any acting category.

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00:45:24,825 --> 00:45:29,555

Chris: So I threw two actors at you

hoping that it would be a little difficult

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00:45:29,555 --> 00:45:35,095

because we, the point is we want to see if

it's possible that there's two actors that

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00:45:35,095 --> 00:45:37,255

cannot be connected within six degrees.

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00:45:37,615 --> 00:45:41,440

So I went with Sandra Huller,

is that how you say it?

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00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,990

Yeah, I think it's Huller.

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00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:43,510

Huller?

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00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:44,370

Huller.

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00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:46,570

From, uh, Anatomy of a Fall.

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00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:51,450

And Da'Vine Joy Rudolph

from The Holdovers.

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00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,560

Jerome: Who won for The Holdovers.

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00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:53,060

Yeah.

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00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:54,510

Okay, and I can't use those movies.

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00:45:54,510 --> 00:45:55,420

They can't use The Holdovers.

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00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:58,180

Chris: Yeah, and you can't use

either of those two movies.

:

00:45:58,370 --> 00:46:00,840

Jerome: Which, technically, I

can't use Zone of Interest either.

:

00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160

Not that I would, but I can't

technically use that either.

:

00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:05,040

Because that was also in the Oscars.

:

00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:06,800

Actually, she wasn't

nominated for that though.

:

00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:08,457

She was only nominated

for Anatomy of a Fall.

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00:46:08,527 --> 00:46:09,177

Chris: Well, okay.

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00:46:09,787 --> 00:46:11,015

Jerome: I wouldn't have used it anyway.

:

00:46:11,015 --> 00:46:14,105

There was nobody else in that

movie that I knew anyway.

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00:46:14,755 --> 00:46:15,095

Alright.

:

00:46:16,435 --> 00:46:17,515

This actually was a tough one.

:

00:46:18,595 --> 00:46:20,385

I had to go deep on this one.

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00:46:20,705 --> 00:46:24,415

Chris: Well, Sandra being a,

mainly a foreign film star.

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00:46:24,425 --> 00:46:26,595

Jerome: A lot of German

films in her history.

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00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:32,519

And one of them in:

Fraulein Stins Travels the World.

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00:46:32,629 --> 00:46:33,139

Okay.

:

00:46:34,049 --> 00:46:36,999

Martin Brombach was in that film.

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00:46:37,099 --> 00:46:39,359

Another actor a foreign actor.

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00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,579

I guess you should say

international actor.

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00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:45,059

In:

before, he was in The Reader.

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00:46:45,369 --> 00:46:48,819

That big movie with Kate Winslet that

was, I think, up for a bunch of Oscars.

:

00:46:49,299 --> 00:46:56,059

Kate Winslet, of course, was in Avatar 2,

Way of the Water,:

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00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:56,999

You know him.

:

00:46:57,009 --> 00:47:01,559

He was the, he was Ike in Tombstone,

and he was in the first Avatar.

:

00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:03,469

He's the bad guy in the

Avatar movies, basically.

:

00:47:04,829 --> 00:47:09,689

He did a movie in:

City, which had, I believe, Sandra Bullock

:

00:47:11,074 --> 00:47:12,914

Chris: Yeah, that was a

great, I enjoyed that movie.

:

00:47:12,944 --> 00:47:13,574

That was a fun movie.

:

00:47:13,574 --> 00:47:14,574

Jerome: You know who else was in that?

:

00:47:15,404 --> 00:47:15,894

Chris: Brad Pitt.

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00:47:15,974 --> 00:47:16,444

Jerome: You know who else?

:

00:47:16,574 --> 00:47:18,144

Da'Vine Joy Randolph.

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00:47:18,154 --> 00:47:18,484

Chris: Really?

:

00:47:18,744 --> 00:47:20,914

What she, what, what, what

she played, do you remember?

:

00:47:21,264 --> 00:47:21,804

Did you see it?

:

00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,449

Jerome: No, I'd never seen it.

:

00:47:23,469 --> 00:47:24,029

Chris: I'm trying to remember.

:

00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:24,849

Oh, you're right.

:

00:47:24,849 --> 00:47:25,899

I do remember her now.

:

00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:29,079

That was a good movie.

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00:47:29,139 --> 00:47:29,599

Jerome: So

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00:47:29,709 --> 00:47:32,299

Chris: I, I highly recommend

if you want an entertaining

:

00:47:32,299 --> 00:47:34,109

movie to watch, rent that one.

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00:47:34,279 --> 00:47:36,689

Jerome: So I didn't see I don't

remember her character name,

:

00:47:36,689 --> 00:47:37,989

but anyway, so that's four.

:

00:47:38,169 --> 00:47:42,239

Fraulein Stins, The Reader,

Avatar 2, and The Lost City.

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00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,409

So we connected them in four without

using their Oscar nominated films.

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00:47:46,469 --> 00:47:47,524

Chris: Damn, that's good.

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00:47:47,524 --> 00:47:48,639

Well done, sir.

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00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:54,329

Jerome: Yeah, pretty good for Sandra

Huller, who got a nomination, two

:

00:47:54,329 --> 00:47:56,709

big films, two of her films were

up for Best Picture this year.

:

00:47:56,919 --> 00:47:59,289

You're gonna start seeing a lot

of her, this always happens.

:

00:47:59,419 --> 00:47:59,719

Yep.

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00:47:59,779 --> 00:48:02,589

You know, she's gonna start popping

up in more English language films.

:

00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,409

You know, big for her, good for her.

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00:48:04,409 --> 00:48:05,379

Chris: She's a great actress.

:

00:48:05,409 --> 00:48:08,599

I mean, I, yeah, I thought

she was, I thought she nailed

:

00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:10,009

it in in Anatomy of a Fall.

:

00:48:10,439 --> 00:48:13,819

Jerome: Yeah, I think you're gonna see a

lot more of Da'Vine Joy Randolph as well.

:

00:48:13,869 --> 00:48:14,249

Yeah.

:

00:48:14,419 --> 00:48:15,929

You know, this always happens.

:

00:48:16,359 --> 00:48:21,479

Hopefully we see more, uh,

Jeffrey Wright and Paul Giamatti.

:

00:48:21,499 --> 00:48:24,039

They're both, you know,

they're not struggling either.

:

00:48:24,059 --> 00:48:26,139

Both of them have been

making movies every year.

:

00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:31,009

But hopefully now when your Spielberg

or your Scorsese says, I need a lead.

:

00:48:31,674 --> 00:48:34,564

You know, they call one of these guys

instead of one of their regular guys.

:

00:48:35,064 --> 00:48:36,734

I'd like to see jeffrey write more god.

:

00:48:36,734 --> 00:48:40,364

He's he was just so good and

and Sterling K Brown, you know I

:

00:48:40,404 --> 00:48:43,304

and and again, Sterling K Brown

He's been around for a long time

:

00:48:43,314 --> 00:48:44,094

People don't realize how long he's

:

00:48:44,404 --> 00:48:49,134

Chris: I I remember first from This

is us the tv show And then I saw

:

00:48:49,134 --> 00:48:50,474

him in a couple other tv shows.

:

00:48:50,474 --> 00:48:51,594

I think he was in mrs.

:

00:48:51,594 --> 00:48:52,364

Mazel

:

00:48:52,454 --> 00:48:55,834

Jerome: but he was also in that

made for the american crime story

:

00:48:55,834 --> 00:48:58,469

the oj Yeah, he was great in that.

:

00:48:58,479 --> 00:48:59,289

He played guard.

:

00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:59,699

Yeah.

:

00:48:59,709 --> 00:48:59,729

Yeah.

:

00:49:00,489 --> 00:49:02,079

So, he was really good in that.

:

00:49:02,419 --> 00:49:05,919

Very happy for Anatomy of a Fall, just

because I really liked that movie.

:

00:49:06,139 --> 00:49:09,449

Go back and listen to our podcast of that

episode, you'll hear how much I liked it.

:

00:49:09,849 --> 00:49:11,099

So I was happy that they won.

:

00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,639

And she's still guilty as fuck.

:

00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,339

I don't know what anyone says.

:

00:49:14,339 --> 00:49:15,039

She killed her husband.

:

00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:15,589

But anyway.

:

00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,799

Overall, a good night.

:

00:49:17,849 --> 00:49:22,879

And, and one more thing we need to address

before we, we sign off is the run time.

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00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,279

Now, there's some big controversy

about Al Pacino not saying

:

00:49:26,279 --> 00:49:27,839

the nominees for Best Picture.

:

00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,429

Chris: Yeah, I felt when I read that,

when I read that, I was like, man, that is

:

00:49:31,429 --> 00:49:36,329

kind of a snub to all the worthy You know,

nominees that weren't even mentioned.

:

00:49:36,329 --> 00:49:38,959

Jerome: But Pacino has come

out and said that the producers

:

00:49:38,959 --> 00:49:40,009

told him not to do that.

:

00:49:40,339 --> 00:49:42,109

Not to read the nominations.

:

00:49:42,869 --> 00:49:44,649

What's another 30 fucking seconds?

:

00:49:44,669 --> 00:49:45,659

I mean, seriously.

:

00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:51,149

Chris: And you mentioned that, like,

throughout the night they were giving, you

:

00:49:51,149 --> 00:49:54,289

know paying homage to the performances.

:

00:49:54,409 --> 00:49:55,979

Jerome: Yeah, they give

each film a moment.

:

00:49:56,109 --> 00:49:56,359

Yeah.

:

00:49:56,359 --> 00:50:00,139

They talk about it and they show a clip

from it and they're like, you know, Yeah.

:

00:50:00,349 --> 00:50:01,339

This is up for best picture.

:

00:50:01,799 --> 00:50:03,429

And they do that usually.

:

00:50:04,124 --> 00:50:07,754

I, I would like to have seen

them, yeah, show them at the

:

00:50:07,754 --> 00:50:11,994

end, do one last nomination round

up, just to remind everybody

:

00:50:12,474 --> 00:50:14,904

Chris: Yeah, just, I don't know,

it does seem like a snub, right?

:

00:50:14,944 --> 00:50:18,254

I mean, if you're nominated and they

didn't even mention your name, Yeah,

:

00:50:18,254 --> 00:50:19,714

like, during the award, I mean, come on.

:

00:50:19,714 --> 00:50:23,434

Jerome: Yeah, your Past Lives,

and you got two nominations, and

:

00:50:23,434 --> 00:50:27,054

this is one of them, And they

don't even mention you at the end.

:

00:50:27,084 --> 00:50:27,324

Right.

:

00:50:27,464 --> 00:50:29,354

You're just like, what the

hell am I even doing here?

:

00:50:29,714 --> 00:50:30,764

But, I don't know.

:

00:50:30,784 --> 00:50:36,169

I think where he did screw up Is he

at least was supposed to say in the

:

00:50:36,169 --> 00:50:38,409

Oscar goes to, he doesn't even do that.

:

00:50:38,409 --> 00:50:41,739

Al opens the envelope and

goes, my, Eyes see Oppenheimer.

:

00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:49,849

So even Jimmy kimmel was

giving him shit for that.

:

00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:50,719

Like, does he not know?

:

00:50:50,729 --> 00:50:52,409

Has he not seen award shows before?

:

00:50:52,409 --> 00:50:55,419

Like you're supposed to say in the

Oscar goes to a couple other points.

:

00:50:55,439 --> 00:50:58,059

I hate, and they've been doing

this for a long time now.

:

00:50:58,429 --> 00:51:00,059

They've been doing this

for at least 20 years.

:

00:51:00,524 --> 00:51:05,894

I hate when they present the acting awards

and they bring out five previous winners.

:

00:51:06,579 --> 00:51:10,629

To stroke off the person that's

about to be, you know, that's

:

00:51:10,629 --> 00:51:11,739

being nominated this year.

:

00:51:12,009 --> 00:51:13,439

I liked the clips better.

:

00:51:13,619 --> 00:51:15,379

I think you save more time with the clips.

:

00:51:15,379 --> 00:51:17,039

If you're obsessed with time saving.

:

00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:17,599

Yeah, right.

:

00:51:17,629 --> 00:51:19,149

Just show us the clips.

:

00:51:19,339 --> 00:51:19,629

Yeah.

:

00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:22,799

Just be like Paul Giamatti and

show us a clip from the movie.

:

00:51:22,989 --> 00:51:23,159

Yeah.

:

00:51:23,209 --> 00:51:24,149

We want to see the clips.

:

00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:28,274

When I was growing up, I was

too young to see a lot of

:

00:51:28,274 --> 00:51:29,434

movies that were up for Oscars.

:

00:51:29,594 --> 00:51:32,364

When I saw the clip, it made

me want to see the movie.

:

00:51:32,374 --> 00:51:33,704

Chris: Yeah, you're like,

oh, that was awesome.

:

00:51:33,705 --> 00:51:34,824

Jerome: Yeah.

:

00:51:34,824 --> 00:51:35,814

Yeah, exactly.

:

00:51:35,814 --> 00:51:37,274

I'd be like, that looked awesome.

:

00:51:37,304 --> 00:51:38,414

I want to see that now.

:

00:51:39,174 --> 00:51:42,394

When you just got some guy that

already won coming out and talking

:

00:51:42,394 --> 00:51:45,874

about another guy that's nominated,

it doesn't entice me to see it.

:

00:51:45,904 --> 00:51:46,284

Chris: No, that's dumb.

:

00:51:46,294 --> 00:51:50,249

Jerome: To hear them come out and

say, Sterling, Your performance

:

00:51:50,269 --> 00:51:53,219

was moving and electric.

:

00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,759

Like that, that doesn't

drive me to want to see it.

:

00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:56,999

Chris: And why not?

:

00:51:57,149 --> 00:51:59,549

They have this amazing performance.

:

00:52:00,139 --> 00:52:01,049

Show it to us.

:

00:52:01,059 --> 00:52:02,209

Jerome: Let's see the performance.

:

00:52:02,259 --> 00:52:02,669

Yeah.

:

00:52:02,969 --> 00:52:03,199

Come on.

:

00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,159

And I don't know why, but about 20

years ago they stopped doing that shit.

:

00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,394

In fact, I want to say

it was less than 20.

:

00:52:08,394 --> 00:52:11,119

It was maybe 25 or so.

:

00:52:11,139 --> 00:52:15,129

I want to say the first time I

noticed that was when Heath Ledger

:

00:52:15,149 --> 00:52:19,204

posthumously was nominated for the

dark night playing the Joker because

:

00:52:19,204 --> 00:52:22,804

I remember thinking what clip are

they gonna show of the Joker, right?

:

00:52:23,034 --> 00:52:26,894

That would be amazing I want to see

I can't wait and they didn't do it

:

00:52:27,004 --> 00:52:30,074

They brought five fucking previous

winners of Best Supporting Actor out

:

00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:31,614

to talk about how great all these guys

:

00:52:31,624 --> 00:52:33,344

Chris: So they've been

doing that that long

:

00:52:33,454 --> 00:52:34,074

Jerome: At least since:

:

00:52:34,764 --> 00:52:35,924

Chris: Oh, wow.

:

00:52:35,994 --> 00:52:39,324

Jerome: Now it's not every year It's like

they every now and again, they'll throw

:

00:52:39,324 --> 00:52:42,214

in a year where they show the clips again

I don't know why they keep changing it.

:

00:52:42,294 --> 00:52:46,694

Yeah, but it's really I was really

irritated by that Again, it came

:

00:52:46,694 --> 00:52:48,974

in at three hours and about 20

minutes, which is way under.

:

00:52:48,974 --> 00:52:50,214

It's usually a four hour show.

:

00:52:50,214 --> 00:52:52,264

So they were already saving on time.

:

00:52:52,334 --> 00:52:52,694

Right.

:

00:52:53,014 --> 00:52:54,574

They could, they could

give us the nomination.

:

00:52:54,594 --> 00:52:55,734

They did it for Best Song, too.

:

00:52:55,734 --> 00:52:59,484

When the person came out to give out

the Oscar for Best Song, they didn't re

:

00:52:59,834 --> 00:53:01,294

go through all the nominations again.

:

00:53:01,674 --> 00:53:04,404

They just said, hey, you heard

the five songs earlier tonight.

:

00:53:04,414 --> 00:53:05,094

Here's the winner.

:

00:53:05,634 --> 00:53:06,414

Chris: Yeah, that's dumb.

:

00:53:06,704 --> 00:53:08,814

Jerome: It's like just no give us a recap.

:

00:53:08,984 --> 00:53:11,744

Tell us who's nominated remind

us They want to hear their name.

:

00:53:11,954 --> 00:53:15,074

They paid the money for the fucking

tux read off their goddamn name.

:

00:53:15,114 --> 00:53:22,194

Yeah, let's hear the name And my

last critique was I still like at the

:

00:53:22,194 --> 00:53:25,699

end now they've been doing this for

I don't know how long Maybe 10, 15

:

00:53:25,699 --> 00:53:29,299

years, that when somebody wins, when

the best picture is won, Everybody

:

00:53:29,299 --> 00:53:30,829

that was in the film goes up on stage.

:

00:53:31,149 --> 00:53:31,889

I do like that.

:

00:53:31,919 --> 00:53:32,619

I like that.

:

00:53:32,949 --> 00:53:34,259

That everybody gets to be a part of it.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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It used to be just the producer,

just some old white guy up there with

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an Oscar going, Yes, it was so hard

putting up the money for this movie.

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You know, like, now it's like

everybody that had something to

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do with it gets to go on stage.

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It's really cool.

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I did like that.

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My last other point besides that

is, I think they should get Andrew

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Bocelli to do the memorial every year.

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He did.

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Time to say goodbye.

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With his son, I don't know

Baccelli, the blind composer.

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It's one of V's favorite singers.

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She actually came out of the kitchen and

came into the living room when he was

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on, just because she loves him so much.

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But when he was doing his song

during the memorial section with the

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show, Everybody That Died, the year

before, that was a great moment.

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And they should get him

to do that every year.

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I think it would run stale

after a while, but it was such

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a great song and he nailed it.

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And

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Chris: yeah, why not?

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Milk it for as long as you can.

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Yeah, and can we can we have

one without a naked guy?

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Jerome: So the naked thing for those of

you that don't know was a John Cena bit.

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I think the only thing

that was funny about it.

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Well, it was it was the

anniversary in:

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Chris: Yeah, there was a streaker.

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Jerome: There was a streaker on stage.

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It was kind of a a bit on that, but

the best part was that he was giving

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out the costume Oscar, like that's,

that's what the funny part was.

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Cause he, he waddles his way on stage,

holding the envelope over his junk, and

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00:54:54,844 --> 00:54:56,304

he gets to the microphone and he goes,

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Chris: An enlarged envelope.

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Jerome: Yeah, and he gets up

there and he goes, Costumes.

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Men are the important.

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So it was a great one liner

to go with such a bad skit.

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Like, it was a bad joke.

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00:55:10,194 --> 00:55:12,244

Chris: And poor jimmy Kimmel

had to stand behind him.

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00:55:12,594 --> 00:55:17,154

Jerome: Yeah, so I mean, it was, it was

a bad, I don't know if I'd say tasteless.

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If I had John Cena's body, I

wouldn't mind being on stage naked.

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But, you know, it was, it

was borderline tasteless, but

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it really wasn't that funny.

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00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:30,259

But the funniest part of it was the

joke delivery about the fact he was

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giving out the costume design, Oscar.

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That's, that's the part

that made it funny.

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Chris: I almost said an emergency.

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00:55:35,649 --> 00:55:37,209

You hear, you heard that, right?

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Jerome: I saw the sizzle and

I saw you reach for the glass.

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00:55:39,526 --> 00:55:41,489

Chris: It poured fast

and it almost went over.

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00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:42,759

I sucked it down.

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Jerome: You almost had another

wet seat incident like you had

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during Silence of the Lambs.

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Yeah.

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00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:52,009

So yeah, I mean, so like I said, it

came in at three hours and 20 minutes,

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so it obviously had time to spare.

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Changes I would make.

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Go back to showing the

clips from the movies.

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We want to see the clips.

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Chris: We want to see the clips.

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Jerome: We don't need to see

previous actors coming out and

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00:56:05,964 --> 00:56:08,654

stroking off these guys about

how great their performance was.

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We know it was great.

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Show us the clip.

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Prove it was great.

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The number one rule of

screenwriting is show, don't tell.

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Don't tell me how you're feeling,

show me how you're feeling.

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Well, show me the fucking clips!

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00:56:18,664 --> 00:56:18,964

Yeah.

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Don't tell me they were

great, show it to me.

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00:56:21,304 --> 00:56:21,554

Yep.

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00:56:21,814 --> 00:56:25,904

So that's my biggest takeaway was

that and again, Pacino at the end,

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00:56:25,904 --> 00:56:27,094

you gotta read the nominations.

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You gotta give us the nominations.

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00:56:28,585 --> 00:56:30,574

I mean, how much time

are you really saving?

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It takes a minute to

write off everyone's name.

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00:56:32,794 --> 00:56:33,214

Right.

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00:56:33,914 --> 00:56:37,304

As far as placement, I thought the

screenwriting awards came a little early.

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00:56:37,619 --> 00:56:40,619

I always like those to be right near

the end, because to me, they're, they're

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00:56:40,909 --> 00:56:43,739

just as big as Best Picture and Best

Director as far as I'm concerned.

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00:56:44,009 --> 00:56:46,899

Now I get that people want actor

and actress to be the last ones,

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particularly actress should

be right before Best Picture.

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00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:50,729

I get it.

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00:56:51,219 --> 00:56:56,329

Old school is, the last four is

actor, actress, director, picture.

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00:56:56,339 --> 00:56:57,989

Director and picture

usually come hand in hand.

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00:56:58,249 --> 00:56:59,579

They started splitting those up.

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00:57:00,479 --> 00:57:03,809

Because they found, this happened a

couple of times, like with Spielberg

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00:57:04,169 --> 00:57:07,989

and Mel Gibson, that they win Best

Director, and then they're supposed to

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00:57:07,989 --> 00:57:09,379

go in the back and talk to the press?

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00:57:09,934 --> 00:57:12,904

But they can't because they're

about to do Best Picture, and then

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00:57:13,414 --> 00:57:14,784

they're nominated for that too.

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00:57:15,224 --> 00:57:18,144

So they have to wait, and then they

go out there to get their Best Picture

:

00:57:18,144 --> 00:57:20,044

Oscar already with an Oscar in hand.

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00:57:20,044 --> 00:57:21,024

It just looked weird.

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00:57:21,394 --> 00:57:21,904

It happens.

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00:57:21,914 --> 00:57:23,014

It's happened a few times.

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00:57:23,014 --> 00:57:27,024

So I get why they split that one up,

director and picture, split them up, stick

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00:57:27,034 --> 00:57:28,464

Best Actress right there in between them.

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00:57:28,464 --> 00:57:31,444

So Best Actress is the last

award before Best Picture.

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00:57:31,504 --> 00:57:32,034

I get it.

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00:57:32,104 --> 00:57:36,004

I'm cool with that, and I'm okay with

the supporting roles being early in the

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00:57:36,004 --> 00:57:38,729

night, because they got to give those

East Coast papers something to print.

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00:57:39,219 --> 00:57:39,469

Right?

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00:57:39,469 --> 00:57:42,419

Because they're usually heading to

press already, and when you wake up

:

00:57:42,419 --> 00:57:45,949

in the East Coast in New York, it's

always like, we don't know who won.

:

00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:47,429

It was fucking, it went till midnight.

:

00:57:48,189 --> 00:57:50,309

But we could tell you who won

Best Supporting Actor, right?

:

00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:51,769

Like, they have something to print.

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00:57:52,229 --> 00:57:53,089

So I don't mind that.

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00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:54,749

But the writing awards need to be later.

:

00:57:54,809 --> 00:57:56,079

They weren't too early this year.

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00:57:56,439 --> 00:57:59,339

I like them to be a little bit later

because again, I think they're important.

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00:57:59,339 --> 00:58:00,829

I think they need to be later.

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00:58:01,409 --> 00:58:02,449

To show their importance.

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00:58:03,044 --> 00:58:04,914

Other than that, I liked

everything they did.

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00:58:04,914 --> 00:58:06,334

They got all the awards in.

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00:58:06,404 --> 00:58:08,324

They got to perform all the songs.

:

00:58:08,324 --> 00:58:09,584

I like when they perform the songs.

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00:58:09,584 --> 00:58:11,014

Those were great production moments.

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00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:12,559

particularly Billy's.

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00:58:12,569 --> 00:58:13,159

She nailed it.

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00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:13,659

Chris: Yeah.

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00:58:13,749 --> 00:58:14,759

Really happy about that.

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00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,439

Jerome: So you need to get

yourself a streaming service, sir.

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00:58:17,439 --> 00:58:18,389

That plays live TV.

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00:58:20,979 --> 00:58:21,639

Chris: Yeah.

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00:58:23,889 --> 00:58:28,149

Jerome: So next episode dropping

in a week, maybe a week or so.

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00:58:28,419 --> 00:58:29,369

Chris: Barbenheimer?

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00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:30,649

Jerome: Barbenheimer.

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00:58:31,659 --> 00:58:33,789

Which by the way, I don't know if

you saw when those two got up to

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00:58:33,789 --> 00:58:35,729

present an award, it was pretty funny.

:

00:58:35,739 --> 00:58:37,089

Emily Blunt from Oppenheimer.

:

00:58:37,414 --> 00:58:41,214

And Ryan Gosling from Barbie came

up to present an award together.

:

00:58:41,214 --> 00:58:42,644

They're actually coming out

in a new movie together.

:

00:58:42,644 --> 00:58:47,334

So they were up there together and he has

this great line where he's like, Oh I know

:

00:58:47,334 --> 00:58:52,004

they call this Barbenheimer or Oppenbarby

or something throughout all last summer.

:

00:58:52,184 --> 00:58:54,724

It was kind of a rivalry

and it's been still going.

:

00:58:54,954 --> 00:58:55,724

And she goes.

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00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:59,659

She says, yes, but if you've looked

at the awards recently, it hasn't

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00:58:59,659 --> 00:59:00,869

been much of a rivalry at all.

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00:59:00,879 --> 00:59:02,109

Chris: Ah, ouch!

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00:59:02,929 --> 00:59:03,419

Jerome: I know!

:

00:59:03,779 --> 00:59:06,039

I was, I was on the

couch and I'm like, damn!

:

00:59:07,029 --> 00:59:09,249

She went right for the nut punch on that!

:

00:59:10,169 --> 00:59:10,219

Jesus!

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00:59:11,299 --> 00:59:13,449

So, you know, I'm sure,

and I'm sure that's true.

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00:59:14,209 --> 00:59:14,824

Chris: I know!

:

00:59:14,824 --> 00:59:16,139

Who wrote that?

:

00:59:18,099 --> 00:59:18,989

Jerome: It was a good line, though.

:

00:59:18,989 --> 00:59:19,609

It was pretty funny.

:

00:59:19,709 --> 00:59:20,689

That was a cup check.

:

00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:21,139

Boom!

:

00:59:23,439 --> 00:59:25,109

But anyway, alright,

let's land this sucker.

:

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Next episode is Barbenheimer, where

we discuss Barbie and Oppenheimer.

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00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:32,239

And then after that, it's gonna be

Killers of the Flower Moon and The

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00:59:32,249 --> 00:59:33,049

Chris: Holdovers.

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00:59:33,059 --> 00:59:33,389

Yep.

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00:59:34,469 --> 00:59:37,419

Alright, go support your local cinemas.

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00:59:38,179 --> 00:59:39,809

Jerome: Yes, keep drinking

and keep watching.

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Born and raised in Metro Detroit, Michigan. Graduate of Columbia College Chicago with a degree in Film/Screenwriting. Have lived in California since 2001. I enjoy screenwriting, script consulting and film analysis.
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