Barbenheimer: Barbie(2023) & Oppenheimer(2023)

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Then Ken wants to fight another Ken at the beach,

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and they call it a beach off?

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Yes.

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He's like, I'm gonna

beach you off right now.

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And the guy's like, you can't beach

me off, I'm gonna beach you off.

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And then, And then Barbie goes to

break it up and she's like, alright,

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nobody is gonna beach anybody off.

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Chris: You are listening to

the Silver Screen Happy Hour.

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I'm Chris Wiegand, along

with my brother Jerome.

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I just wanted to acknowledge before

we jump into it that this episode was

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Award nominations were made public.

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So it was pre Oscar night.

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If you want to hear our post Oscar night

thoughts, check out the last episode.

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Jerome: What are we doing today?

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Chris: Barbenhammer.

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Jerome: Heimer.

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Chris: Barbenheimer.

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Jerome: What you said

sounded like a porn title.

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Chris: Oh no.

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Yep, so we are continuing

our Oscar nomination series.

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So we went with two of

the big ones this week.

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And for drinks, I'll just say, I got

my, it's like a barbie ginger beer.

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I don't know, it's like a, It's

got ginger beer, pomegranate, you

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know, kinda, it's, it's, I like, I

like mules, so, it's really good.

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So, what are you drinking?

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Jerome: Well, if you remember on the last

episode where we did Anatomy of a Fall.

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Yep and Past Lives and because there

were low budget Indies, I had a very

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low budget alcohol if you remember So

today we're going the actual opposite

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Interesting to note by the way, first

of all both Barbie and Oppenheimer had

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a 100 million dollar budgets both of

them Oh my gosh And so I thought I'd

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bring out a nice bottle

of Chyvest Regal Scotch.

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Nice.

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So we're gonna it's not exactly,

I mean, if I really wanted to go

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high budget, I could have brought

out the Johnny Blue, but you know.

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Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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Let me get this in front

of the microphone here.

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I don't know if you got that.

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Did you get that?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Chris: Now, since I was a, no, I

should say since my wife was such a

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big fan of Barbie, I did enjoy it.

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We're going to get to that,

but I got a couple white claws

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in the, to spare if I run out.

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Jerome: Well, you are, you

are going Barbie out today.

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Chris: I anticipate this isn't going

to be too short, but I don't know.

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Let's get into it.

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I'm curious to see how you're going

to do the beats on Oppenheimer.

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Oh my gosh.

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Jerome: It would be interesting to note

that the beats actually flow easier

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in Oppenheimer than they do in Barbie.

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Really?

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Yeah, because alright,

let's just get into it.

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Let's do Barbie first.

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Chris: Barbie first, okay.

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Jerome: Barbie first.

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Okay, so, if you haven't been

living under a rock Barbie was

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the biggest movie last year.

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2023, directed by Greta Gerwig, written

by Gerwig and her husband, Noah Baumbach.

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This is Gerwig's fourth feature film.

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She was previously nominated for

Best Director and Best Screenplay

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for 2017's Lady Bird and 2019's Best

Adapted Screenplay for Little Women.

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Margot Robbie, Best Actress.

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And Gerwig, Best Director, were notable

snubs by the Oscar nominations that

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were released earlier this year.

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Argument can be made.

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Now that I've seen the film, because

I remember when the nominees just

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came out, I hadn't seen it yet.

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And I, and on that teaser that we

released, I wasn't sure how I felt

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about it being a quote unquote snub.

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Now that I've seen it, I can say.

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An argument can be made that

Barbie is screenplay driven.

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And

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they did get nominated for that, right?

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Chris: And it did get nominated for that.

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Jerome: And, but you know, these, I

know people are going to say, what,

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how can you say it's screenplay driven?

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The visuals.

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Right.

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Set design and the production.

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I get all that.

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I get all that.

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But the genius of Barbie

is the story, right?

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It's a great story.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's, it's screenplay driven.

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Now snubs happen.

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I pulled an example from 2001

Moulin Rouge, which anyone

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could argue is director driven.

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That one is director driven.

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And that was large scale scope

of production and everything.

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And it, it was nominated for

Best Picture, it had a buttload

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of nominations, including Nicole

Kidman for Best Actress, and the

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director, Baz Luhrmann, got left out.

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He didn't get nominated.

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Right.

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You know, so, I mean, it, it, it, and

that was when, back then, there was

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only five nominees for Best Picture.

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So, to not get nominated for

Best Director, like that was

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a huge snub back in 2001.

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So it does happen.

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It does happen.

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I can't say that there was anything

I know that people are going that

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conspiracy theorists are going towards

the sexism of Hollywood, leaving out

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Margot Robbie, but again, obviously

Margot Robbie was left out of Best Actress

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category where five women did make it in.

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Yeah.

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So you can't say that one was sexist.

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And as far as Best Director, we

already said that Justine Triet from

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Anatomy of the Fall did get nominated.

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So it can't be sexism.

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I don't know what it was.

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It's one of those weird one offs.

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Chris: Yeah, and I don't know,

like, what her politics are, but

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sometimes when someone rubs The

Academy the wrong way politically

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that that weighs in but I don't know.

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I don't know...

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Jerome: Anybody watching Barbie telling

me that they think Greta Gerwig's politics

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kept her out of Hollywood's favor.

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I mean, come on, Hollywood and Barbie's

politics are pretty much hand in hand.

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So I don't know.

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Then I yeah, it's what I wrote down.

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I wrote a note.

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I wrote just was just lost in the math.

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It's one of those where you

got somebody doing their card.

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And they're like, well,

I'll have Greta at six.

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She'll make it in.

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So I don't have to worry about it.

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I really want to see this person

get in or that person get in.

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And she got left out.

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Too many people thought that way.

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And she got left out.

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Chris: Right.

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Right.

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That makes sense.

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I could see that happening.

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Jerome: Yeah.

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Barbie is nominated for eight total

Oscars, including best picture.

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Okay.

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So we already mentioned the

stars, Margot Robbie as Barbie.

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And I think when I was re listening to

the the la the Valentine's special.

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I kept saying, Margo, Roby.

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I don't know.

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Chris: I was gonna say, I, I was

gonna mention that as we got into it.

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Yeah, I'm glad you said it.

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I caught it and

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Jerome: I don't even know why.

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I don't even know why I

was mispronouncing it.

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It was just like

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Chris: I caught it when

I was editing it, but.

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To get AI to sound like

you is just too much work.

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Jerome: That's because I'm original.

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There's no fucking AI that can match me.

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Chris: So I couldn't fix it.

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I'm glad you acknowledge that though.

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Jerome: Yes, and I was just, I was

folding clothes listening to it just to

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see how it came out and I'm like, Why the

fuck do I keep mispronouncing her name?

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Chris: Oh, he's probably drunk.

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Jerome: Oh, yeah, by that time.

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And Ryan Gosling as Ken.

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America Ferreira, Rhea Perlman,

and Will Ferrell, also star,

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was released on July 21st.

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Another little interesting tidbit.

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Yep.

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Not only was Barbie and Oppenheimer

both 100 million budgets, they

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were both released on July 21st.

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Chris: On my oldest daughter's birthday.

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Jerome: They went head to

head at the box office.

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And, and really.

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The numbers say there was a winner, but

really, this is as tight as you can get.

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Right.

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Both movies, a hundred million dollars,

a hundred million dollar budget.

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Barbie made a hundred and sixty

two million in its opening weekend.

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And it went on to gross 1.

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4 billion dollars worldwide,

landing at the number one spot.

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Now I know you, you want to know, so I'll

just tell you, I won't make you wait.

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Oppenheimer?

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Went on to make it 957 million worldwide.

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Good for the number three spot on

the list behind only Barbie and

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the super Mario brothers movie.

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Chris: Wow.

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That one did that good.

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Jerome: Yes.

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So, I mean, so these two movies

we're talking about today,

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I've got all the nominations.

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They have all the hype, they're going

neck and neck at the Oscars, they're going

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toe to toe, and they were released on

the same day, with the same budget, and

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both blew the doors off the box office.

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Yeah.

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Like, how, how many times

can we see that in a year?

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In a single year?

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Right, right.

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Never?

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I mean, I don't know, this might be

the only time that that's happened.

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Chris: I'm trying to think the

year, you, you mentioned 94 as

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being one of the biggest movie years

for Best Picture, but were any of

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those released at the same time?

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Jerome: Forrest Gump was huge,

but it wasn't released on the same

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day as one of the other nominees.

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And none of the other nominees

made Forrest Gump money.

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None of them.

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Shawshank tanked, really.

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Shawshank became a cult classic.

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Wow.

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When it hit video, it didn't

do that well in the box office.

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Pulp Fiction was lower, but Pulp

Fiction made a good profit because

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it didn't cost that much to make.

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But Quiz Show and Four Weddings and

a Funeral, those movies were not,

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they didn't, you know, rake it in.

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They weren't huge.

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Right.

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Maybe Four Weddings and a

Funeral did pretty good.

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But but nothing like this.

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Nothing like Forrest Gump

and nothing like this.

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That'd be like pairing

titanic up with another movie.

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You know, record like avatar or

something, you know, on the same weekend.

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Right.

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The same weekend, dude.

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Chris: The same day

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Jerome: like this Is astounding.

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Okay, log me

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Chris: All right.

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Jerome: Wait, wait, wait, wait

before we get to that real quick.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, this is usually the

part we talk about How we

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came to find about this movie.

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When did you see it and what did you

think about it when you first saw it?

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Chris: Well, I first saw it really

just maybe a couple of months ago.

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I believe we rented it.

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And it was the fourth time my wife

saw it when she watched it with me.

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The other three times she

saw it in the theater.

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Jerome: That's titanic

numbers right there.

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Chris: And it wasn't, I mean, she

liked, she really liked the movie.

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She normally does not go to the

movies and she usually doesn't

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see a movie twice at the theater.

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But there's friends, girlfriends, kids,

our kids wanted to see it with her.

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So there kept being opportunities

for her to go to see it.

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And I think that happened for.

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Millions of women all over the world.

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So that's why it did so well.

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So yeah, I just saw it maybe a couple

of months ago for the first time.

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Jerome: I just saw it like.

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A week ago, or two weeks ago.

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I had, the entire time it was in

the theater I wanted to see it.

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My kids are a lot smaller than yours.

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Yeah.

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So to get away and go to

the movies is a production.

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And the only way it really happens

consistently is if it's a kids movie

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and we take them to the movies with us.

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Yeah.

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If we're not taking the

kids, it's a production.

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You gotta find a babysitter

and blah blah blah.

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And the desire there for me

was more to see Oppenheimer.

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I couldn't wait to see Oppenheimer

in the theater because I thought,

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if I miss Barbie, I can do Barbie

on the small screen if I have to.

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Mm hmm.

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I didn't want to miss

Oppenheimer on the big screen.

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So I went IMAX on the fuckin Oppenheimer.

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And it was just amazing.

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It blew, it blew me away.

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Side note, 2019, Midsommar, which

I said was my favorite movie of

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the year and got no nominations.

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Yeah.

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My favorite movie of 2023 is Oppenheimer.

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Barbie's up there, but Oppenheimer's

my favorite film of the year.

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And both starred Florence Pugh.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what it is.

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I have a, I have a new

crush on Florence Pugh.

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Chris: Oh, mine's, mine's not new.

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Jerome: Yeah, pretty much since

midsummer I've been crushing.

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But, but no, she's awesome

and she's great in that one.

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But let's, we will get to

Oppenheimer when we get to it.

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Yes.

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Back to Barbie.

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So I just saw it a week or

so ago for this podcast.

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Again, been putting it off,

putting it off, putting it off.

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And I was glad that it's

on, it's on HBO Max.

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So I didn't have to buy it or rent it.

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You know, it's just, I get

it with the subscription.

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Whereas Oppenheimer, I But then

had to rent it again on streaming

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because I had forgotten since

last July a lot of the key points.

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But anyway, so I loved it.

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And I gotta say, not just to prepare for

the podcast, I watched it three times.

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Oh, really?

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Like, in like two weeks.

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Yeah.

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A week and a half or whatever it was.

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I've watched it like three times.

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Now, a couple of, one of the times

I went back just to get like certain

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quotes I wanted to get right and

certain minutes I wanted to see

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like, when did that exactly happen?

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When did that beat happen?

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But mostly I watched it for

enjoyment, at least twice,

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just watching it for enjoyment.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was a unique,

clever, very, very funny.

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Yeah.

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Very funny.

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Chris: Nostalgic for, especially

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for all the women who, when their

little girls had one of those Barbies.

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Jerome: Yeah.

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And again, I never played with Barbies,

but we had a sister, you know, and,

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and like the stuff about the dream

house and everything, it just kind

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of brought back all those memories of

like Amy with all her shit, you know?

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And it's just like, God, I

remember the fucking Corvette.

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Remember the Corvette?

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And yeah.

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So I don't know.

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It was just it was a great experience.

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And it's very, like you said,

you mentioned politics earlier.

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It is very sort of, on the nose for

the time that we're living in right

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now as far as equality in our society

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Chris: it was but, in my Like people

who were like were really like up in

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arms about the wokeness or whatever

the hell they were talking about Jessie

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my wife She kind of helped me put it

in perspective because when she was

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a little girl It was Barbie's world.

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It had nothing to do with Ken.

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Ken was like an afterthought,

which is what he was in the movie.

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Jerome: Oh, he totally,

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Chris: you know, and they totally

played that and it was hilarious.

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And so I wasn't offended

because that was the, that was

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the girl's culture of Barbie.

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I mean, that's, that's what it was about.

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Jerome: I was watching it

though, waiting to be offended.

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Chris: And I never got offended.

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And I was,

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Jerome: I was like, I don't know what

all the pisses about, you know, like,

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like, I mean there was a moment.

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And we'll get to it on the

beats, where I remember thinking,

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Eh, that's kinda horseshit.

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But then they They fixed it

up and I was like, okay, okay.

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I see where Greta's going now.

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Chris: Yeah, they were, yeah.

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I don't remember what part you're talking

about, but I know there's some parts where

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they kind of play, play on, on an idea

and you go, ah, then they acknowledge it.

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Jerome: Well, yeah, it wasn't so much

that, but it was like when they, when

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we, when we get to the beats, we'll

get to it where their plan at the end

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is to make it go back to how it was.

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And I was like, why is that okay?

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Like, that's shitty, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Didn't you learn your lesson?

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And then I realized where

Greta was taking me.

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I'm like, alright, Barbie

hasn't learned her lesson yet.

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: 00:14:05

That's right, she hasn't

reached her spiritual goal yet.

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Duh.

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: 00:14:09

And then when they got to it,

I was like, okay, okay, okay.

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But for like a split second,

I was like, wait a minute.

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That's not gonna sit right.

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But okay, alright, here we go.

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Alright, log me.

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Chris: Barbie and Ken are having the

time of their lives in the colorful and

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seemingly perfect world of Barbieland.

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However, when they get a chance to go to

the real world, they soon discover the

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joys and perils of living among humans.

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Jerome: Not great.

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Chris: That's it.

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That's it.

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: 00:14:34

I know, it's not a great long line.

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Jerome: Not great.

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First of all, it's not factual.

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: 00:14:38

Living among humans?

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They're literally there a half a day.

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So how are they living among the humans?

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Chris: I did enjoy that sequence

though when they first arrived.

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Oh, that was great.

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Jerome: Act 2.

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Act 2.

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Upside down world, right?

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We talk about it all the time.

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Is that not a perfect

mirror flip of Act 1?

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Yeah.

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So, but anyway, alright.

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We have...The beats.

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Opening image!

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I love the opening to this movie.

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It's an homage to 2001 A Space

Odyssey, directed by Stanley Kubrick.

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And it's the whole Also, Sprach

Zarathustra music is playing.

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And it's, you know,

you've seen: 2001

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With the monolith and everything.

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So, instead of apes cracking

bones, It's like The little

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girls smashing their baby dolls.

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So, and so, and then, and I was waiting

for it because I watched, when I first

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saw it, I was with V, my wife, and I was

like, because the, one of the key moments

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at the end of that sequence of 2001 is

where the monkey throws the bone up in

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the air and they show the bone spinning.

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And as all the smashing is going on,

I looked at V and I go, please tell me

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somebody's going to throw a doll up in

the air, please tell me they're going

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to do the same thing and throw it down.

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: 00:15:43

And sure enough, it ends with one of

the girls throwing her doll up in the

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air like she was one of the monkeys.

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Yeah.

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Haha.

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And the thing is spinning, and I was

e, oh, such a great homage to: 2001

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Right.

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. So, okay.

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: 00:15:56

And yeah, the opening image.

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So Barbie broke the mold is the basic

point of the opening image theme

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stated in the opening monologue by

Helen Mirin, who by the way, was

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: 00:16:05

in 2010, the year we made contact.

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: 00:16:07

Yep.

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At the four minute mark, she says

quote, because Barbie can be anything.

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Women can be anything.

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And that is Barbie's running theme

throughout the whole film because

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it's Barbie who struggles with what

she wants to be, what she thinks she

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wants to be, what she needs to be,

and what she thinks she needs to be.

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: 00:16:27

Right.

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: 00:16:28

She's in complete confusion,

and that is sort of the theme.

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What do you want?

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: 00:16:33

What do you want to be?

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: 00:16:34

Because Barbie can be anything.

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And because Barbie can be

anything, women can be anything.

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: 00:16:40

Okay, inciting incident.

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: 00:16:41

14 minutes in at the girl's night party,

the girl's night party, Barbie says,

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: 00:16:46

anyone, anyone ever think about dying?

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: 00:16:49

Which, when this happens, by the way,

It doesn't just, er, with the record and

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: 00:16:54

like everybody stops talking and shocks

the hell out of all the other barbarians.

422

: 00:16:58

It shocked me too, like I, I

didn't see that coming at all.

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: 00:17:03

Because they're having this great dance

sequence where everything is perfect.

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: 00:17:07

Why would you say that?

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: 00:17:09

And like, sure enough, when they're

like, Looking at her, she's like,

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: 00:17:13

I don't know why I just said that.

427

: 00:17:14

Like, she doesn't even know

why she just said that.

428

: 00:17:17

But anyway, completely disrupts the party

momentarily before Barbie brings it back.

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It's an inciting incident, in

my opinion, because she doesn't

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: 00:17:24

even know why she said it.

431

: 00:17:25

And, it's, so, it's, it's

going to lead to the catalyst.

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: 00:17:29

We're not there yet, right?

433

: 00:17:30

Obviously, it's way too early.

434

: 00:17:31

We're not in second act, act two yet.

435

: 00:17:33

But it's the first inkling

that something is wrong.

436

: 00:17:37

Okay, Catalyst at 22 minutes

after the flat feet scare scene

437

: 00:17:43

at the beach, which is funny.

438

: 00:17:46

This movie is loaded with

hilarity, by the way.

439

: 00:17:48

Yeah, right.

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: 00:17:48

Just every time something

happened was, fuck it, the

441

: 00:17:50

way they did it was hilarious.

442

: 00:17:52

She's encouraged to meet with

the frightening Weird Barbie

443

: 00:17:55

to find out what's going on.

444

: 00:17:57

Weird Barbie, of course

played by Kate McKinnon.

445

: 00:17:59

Right.

446

: 00:17:59

Perfectly, by the way.

447

: 00:18:00

Perfect.

448

: 00:18:01

If you were gonna get

somebody to play Weird Barbie.

449

: 00:18:03

Chris: Was she nominated for anything?

450

: 00:18:05

Jerome: Not that I know of.

451

: 00:18:07

I'd have to look at Best

Supporting Actress, but I

452

: 00:18:09

think it's America Ferreira.

453

: 00:18:10

Chris: Yeah, America

Ferreira did get nominated.

454

: 00:18:14

Jerome: I think she's nominated.

455

: 00:18:15

So this is where Weird Barbie tells her

that there's a ripple in the continuum and

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: 00:18:19

she must go to the real world to fix it.

457

: 00:18:21

Debate begins.

458

: 00:18:22

This debate is quick.

459

: 00:18:22

Now remember we said that debate

begins after you're a catalyst.

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: 00:18:26

But, but, but.

461

: 00:18:27

before you jump into Act 2.

462

: 00:18:29

Sometimes it's five seconds,

sometimes it's five minutes, just

463

: 00:18:32

like Dark Knight of the Soul.

464

: 00:18:33

Sometimes your character doesn't need

a hell of a lot of time to debate.

465

: 00:18:37

And this is one of those

that's pretty quick.

466

: 00:18:39

Barbie, just, you know, pretty much,

alright, this is what I gotta do.

467

: 00:18:42

She's a little unsure during the send off.

468

: 00:18:44

She's a little nervous,

she's a little scared.

469

: 00:18:46

The other Kens are daring

Ken to go with her.

470

: 00:18:48

So there's that, that little scene

is kind of the debate begins.

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: 00:18:51

Break into two, obviously Ken

and Barbie arrive in real world.

472

: 00:18:54

They, they head to the real world, 26

minute mark propelling us into act two,

473

: 00:18:59

which is a mirror flip of act one where

their lives are now turned upside down.

474

: 00:19:04

Again, in a really good screenplays.

475

: 00:19:07

You, you know when you're in Act 2, right?

476

: 00:19:09

Because your characters are now

in like, no man land, right?

477

: 00:19:12

Like, it's, it's not a world

that they are familiar with.

478

: 00:19:15

The fun and games.

479

: 00:19:16

Act 2 opens with some trailer

images that deliver the premise.

480

: 00:19:20

Barbie and Ken are arrested, twice.

481

: 00:19:23

One of the times they, they let them keep

the clothes, which I thought was funny.

482

: 00:19:27

Barbie tries to channel the girl who

created all this mayhem in Barbie land.

483

: 00:19:31

B story.

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: 00:19:32

When do I say the B story comes in?

485

: 00:19:36

Do you remember?

486

: 00:19:36

Around a half hour in, usually?

487

: 00:19:39

Well here, it's no different.

488

: 00:19:40

Just around the 36 minute mark,

Gloria is introduced as the

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: 00:19:44

Mattel executive assistant.

490

: 00:19:46

Right.

491

: 00:19:46

Gloria is the B story because her purpose

is to drive Barbie to her spiritual goal.

492

: 00:19:51

Yeah.

493

: 00:19:51

A goal she does not yet know

or realize that she needs.

494

: 00:19:56

More fun and games as Barbie finds

Sasha, a girl she thinks is the one

495

: 00:20:00

causing the ripple in the continuum,

and she gets savagely told off.

496

: 00:20:04

Almost saddeningly, like, I was so,

my heart was breaking for Barbie

497

: 00:20:08

as they were just ripping into her.

498

: 00:20:10

Ken discovers the real world is run

by men, including one boss who tells

499

: 00:20:14

him that there still is a patriarchy,

but "We just hide it better now."

500

: 00:20:20

Wow.

501

: 00:20:21

Is that not Greta?

502

: 00:20:22

Is that not Greta just winking and like,

Thumbing her her, her thumb at everyone.

503

: 00:20:27

Alright.

504

: 00:20:28

Will Ferrell is introduced as the Mattel

CEO, and, God, another great role for him.

505

: 00:20:33

And then an ensuing chase scene where

they want to get her back in the box.

506

: 00:20:36

Ken escapes and heads back to Barbieland.

507

: 00:20:38

Midpoint scene, 56 minutes in.

508

: 00:20:40

By the way, I think I, I wrote

it under the funny lines.

509

: 00:20:44

Yeah under funny moments, but i'll

just say it here in that scene

510

: 00:20:48

where Will Ferrell Try to explain

that they love women everybody here

511

: 00:20:53

loves women because barbie questions

Yeah, why are there no women ceo?

512

: 00:20:57

Why there's no women in here, right?

513

: 00:20:58

He's like and he's trying to

defend himself and he's all we love

514

: 00:21:01

women We are the sons of women.

515

: 00:21:04

We are nephews of aunts, you know?

516

: 00:21:06

And then he says, out of the blue, he

goes, Some of my best friends are Jewish.

517

: 00:21:10

What the fuck?

518

: 00:21:11

Like, where did that even come from?

519

: 00:21:15

Right.

520

: 00:21:16

Like, I was literally, I was

watching Larry Kleiner, and I fucking

521

: 00:21:20

laughed out loud, like, busted out.

522

: 00:21:22

Like, where did that even come from?

523

: 00:21:24

Like, everything is, we are, we are

sons of women, and blah blah blah.

524

: 00:21:27

And then, some of my

best friends are Jewish.

525

: 00:21:30

Ah!

526

: 00:21:30

What the fuck?

527

: 00:21:33

And Barbie, that goes right over her head.

528

: 00:21:35

She has no idea what the

hell he's even talking about.

529

: 00:21:39

Alright, midpoint.

530

: 00:21:40

56 minutes in.

531

: 00:21:42

After Gloria and Sasha, her daughter,

help Barbie escape the clutches of Mattel,

532

: 00:21:46

Barbie learns that Gloria is the one that

created the ripple and the continuum.

533

: 00:21:51

She was the one who played

with Barbie as a child.

534

: 00:21:53

This is a false victory because just

meeting her, which is her tangible

535

: 00:21:56

goal, she wanted to meet the girl

that was Causing all this mayhem

536

: 00:22:00

won't be enough to fix the issues.

537

: 00:22:02

And instead she decides to get them and

bring them back to Barbie land with her.

538

: 00:22:06

And we all know what happens in

the second half of the film, right?

539

: 00:22:09

All right.

540

: 00:22:09

Bad guys closing in.

541

: 00:22:10

As soon as they return, they see that

Ken has completely altered Barbie

542

: 00:22:14

land at the one hour, six minute mark.

543

: 00:22:17

Gloria says, well, this is a hard,

obviously for Barbie to take.

544

: 00:22:20

Gloria says to her at one

hour, six minutes, that's life.

545

: 00:22:23

It's all change.

546

: 00:22:25

And which Barbie responds, no.

547

: 00:22:27

That's terrifying.

548

: 00:22:28

I don't want that.

549

: 00:22:31

So still far from her spiritual goal.

550

: 00:22:33

Chris: Which, which is such

a that's that line is so I,

551

: 00:22:36

you know, so relatable, right?

552

: 00:22:38

Everyone, everyone hates change, right?

553

: 00:22:40

Jerome: Well, and you know what?

554

: 00:22:41

And I I've had this discussion

with somebody before.

555

: 00:22:45

That's pretty much.

556

: 00:22:46

I don't want to say all of politics, but

a real big wedge in today's political

557

: 00:22:51

structure of, of left and right.

558

: 00:22:55

It's change, right?

559

: 00:22:58

Traditionalism.

560

: 00:22:59

People don't like change, right?

561

: 00:23:01

And when people start taking

down statues and shit, right?

562

: 00:23:05

Like, it's like terrifying.

563

: 00:23:06

It's like, ah, why, why all of a

sudden now are we changing this?

564

: 00:23:09

You know what I mean?

565

: 00:23:09

Yeah.

566

: 00:23:10

But the best I, I tried to equate

it was, You know, there was a time

567

: 00:23:13

when slavery was legal and accepted.

568

: 00:23:15

And when that changed, imagine

everybody in America going, What?

569

: 00:23:19

We gotta do our own work now?

570

: 00:23:21

Or pay someone?

571

: 00:23:23

Like, that's a change, right?

572

: 00:23:25

And look, obviously the pushback

was so big, it caused a civil war.

573

: 00:23:29

So, I mean, just, obviously

that's a very large scale.

574

: 00:23:33

But on a small scale,

Change is terrifying.

575

: 00:23:36

Yeah.

576

: 00:23:37

For everyone, right?

577

: 00:23:38

Just even little things like

things I used to do all the time.

578

: 00:23:41

I can't do anymore.

579

: 00:23:42

Cause I have kids kind of sucks,

but it's, it's, it's just how it is.

580

: 00:23:47

You know what I mean?

581

: 00:23:48

Have a family now things are different.

582

: 00:23:51

Your life changes.

583

: 00:23:51

So anyway, yeah, you're right.

584

: 00:23:52

That's a major that's life.

585

: 00:23:54

It's all change.

586

: 00:23:55

And she says, that's terrifying.

587

: 00:23:56

I don't want that.

588

: 00:23:58

Alright, so Ken then kicks

her out of her house.

589

: 00:24:01

Gloria and Sasha decide to leave.

590

: 00:24:03

There is one moment, though, before

as they go to leave, Gloria picks up a

591

: 00:24:05

blouse and says, Oh, this might fit me.

592

: 00:24:08

I don't know.

593

: 00:24:09

I don't know if you caught that.

594

: 00:24:10

Weird Barbie comes to collect

Barbie, and Gloria and Sasha,

595

: 00:24:13

discovering Alan was trying to

escape, they all decide to return.

596

: 00:24:17

Alan, by the way, has a little

fight scene where he beats up a

597

: 00:24:19

bunch of construction workers.

598

: 00:24:21

That was kind of funny.

599

: 00:24:23

All is lost.

600

: 00:24:23

Alright, Barbie is at

her lowest point now.

601

: 00:24:25

She feels ugly, and feels

like she has lost everything.

602

: 00:24:29

She's verbalizing this to Gloria in tears.

603

: 00:24:32

And at the one hour, fourteen minute

mark, you once again hear narrator Helen

604

: 00:24:37

Mirren say, Note to the filmmakers,

Margot Robbie is the wrong person to

605

: 00:24:41

cast if you want to make this point.

606

: 00:24:47

Chris: That is so good.

607

: 00:24:48

Jerome: The fucking hilarity of

this movie, even in moments of

608

: 00:24:52

despair and all is lost, like,

Greta's still like, Nah, I'm gonna

609

: 00:24:56

throw a dinger in there somewhere.

610

: 00:24:57

You know, like, I mean, God.

611

: 00:24:59

That's why I say it's screenplay driven.

612

: 00:25:01

Cause this shit's all writing.

613

: 00:25:03

You know what I mean?

614

: 00:25:04

This is all writing.

615

: 00:25:06

Alright, Dark Knight of the Soul,

Gloria makes her Oscar speech about

616

: 00:25:09

how contradicting the whole thing is

about being a woman in the real world.

617

: 00:25:14

It's a great speech, and she goes through,

I can't, I don't have the whole thing

618

: 00:25:18

quoted, because it's a long one, but she

talks about, you know, the contradictions.

619

: 00:25:21

We have to be thin, but

not too thin, you know?

620

: 00:25:24

We have to look good, but we

can't tease men, you know?

621

: 00:25:26

Like, she goes on and on and on, and I

feel, I actually wrote this down, not only

622

: 00:25:31

is it, It's eye opening, I think, for men,

and for me personally, like, listening

623

: 00:25:37

to her list all those things out.

624

: 00:25:39

Yeah.

625

: 00:25:40

I'm gonna sound a little bit

like I did when we did the

626

: 00:25:42

Promising Young Thelma episode.

627

: 00:25:44

It really kind of opens

your eyes as a guy.

628

: 00:25:47

Oh yeah.

629

: 00:25:47

Fuck, do they really feel that

way about all of that shit?

630

: 00:25:50

Chris: Yeah, I had a similar

experience, because it reminded me of

631

: 00:25:53

when I watched Promising Young Woman.

632

: 00:25:55

Yeah.

633

: 00:25:55

And, because I had that similar

experience, because you're watching

634

: 00:25:59

that as a man, where there's men

taking advantage of women, or trying

635

: 00:26:03

to take advantage of women, and

all that, and it was, like, gross.

636

: 00:26:07

And, yeah, you just But yeah, this was

different, but it was still, you're,

637

: 00:26:11

you're experiencing it as a man going,

Yeah, that, this, this ain't right, man.

638

: 00:26:15

Jerome: These movies are

making us woke, Chris!

639

: 00:26:20

But no, I mean, but honestly, all

jokes aside, I remember thinking

640

: 00:26:24

like, fuck, like, I never looked

at it from that point of view.

641

: 00:26:28

And, you know, I never

thought that it was that hard.

642

: 00:26:33

You know what I mean?

643

: 00:26:34

Like, I was like, Wow.

644

: 00:26:36

And then, again, like you said, when

we did Promising Young The movie was

645

: 00:26:39

Promising Young Woman, but the name of

our episode was Promising Young Thelma.

646

: 00:26:43

To anyone that's confused right now.

647

: 00:26:45

We did a podcast episode about it.

648

: 00:26:47

And, yeah, it really

brought me back to that.

649

: 00:26:49

Like, shit, like, once again, I'm

looking at something from a female point

650

: 00:26:53

of view that I didn't Realize before.

651

: 00:26:55

Yeah.

652

: 00:26:55

And

653

: 00:26:56

Chris: I'll, I'd push back

against the, the whole word woke

654

: 00:27:00

because I mean that has so many

655

: 00:27:05

Jerome: people use it.

656

: 00:27:05

Don't know.

657

: 00:27:06

Chris: Well, yeah.

658

: 00:27:06

And the way it's used is usually

in some kind of charged political

659

: 00:27:11

conversation or whatever.

660

: 00:27:13

Right.

661

: 00:27:13

They're not even using it.

662

: 00:27:14

Right.

663

: 00:27:14

This is just, yeah, this is

just being a decent human being,

664

: 00:27:17

acknowledging someone else's struggle.

665

: 00:27:19

I mean, come on.

666

: 00:27:20

It's not, it's not being woke.

667

: 00:27:21

Shut up.

668

: 00:27:23

Jerome: Well, actually, that is

the, that was originally what the

669

: 00:27:26

word woke was supposed to mean.

670

: 00:27:28

Chris: Yeah, but it's, it's devolved

into something completely different

671

: 00:27:30

is what I'm trying to get at.

672

: 00:27:32

Jerome: Yeah, they're

yes, it's being abused.

673

: 00:27:34

Okay, break into three.

674

: 00:27:35

Glorious speech, reset one of the Barbies.

675

: 00:27:38

In the room, and they realize this is

how we're gonna break the brainwashing.

676

: 00:27:43

Gloria, now, which is funny that they

don't, they mention it, but I remember

677

: 00:27:46

thinking, Wait a minute, she's gotta

do word for word, that whole fucking

678

: 00:27:49

speech again, To every Barbie, but

they're just like, Yep, that's what

679

: 00:27:54

we gotta do, that's what we gotta do.

680

: 00:27:56

Alright, five point finale, are you ready?

681

: 00:27:58

Yeah.

682

: 00:27:58

That's obviously the first one's easy.

683

: 00:28:00

Gathering the team.

684

: 00:28:01

The weird Barbie gets off the

map of Barbieland and they come

685

: 00:28:04

up with a plan on how they're

gonna reset the Barbies, right?

686

: 00:28:07

Execution of the plan.

687

: 00:28:08

They actually pull it off.

688

: 00:28:09

They confuse the Kens, they pull

a Barbie away, they brainwash her

689

: 00:28:13

ba br they break the brainwashing.

690

: 00:28:15

Right.

691

: 00:28:16

And then they use the new Barbie, or

the fixed Barbie, I guess you would say

692

: 00:28:21

to help them with the rest of the plan.

693

: 00:28:23

So the executing of the

plan goes almost perfectly.

694

: 00:28:26

It works like a charm.

695

: 00:28:28

They even get the Kens to fight each other

after the serenade which by the way they

696

: 00:28:32

use the song Push as their serenade song.

697

: 00:28:35

I wanna push you around, like,

like that's their idea of a

698

: 00:28:39

great romantic serenade song.

699

: 00:28:42

Like alright, so then all this distraction

is going on so that the Barbies can then

700

: 00:28:46

vote, right, on how, the new constitution.

701

: 00:28:49

Right.

702

: 00:28:51

Gravity of it unknown to

Barbie until this moment.

703

: 00:28:54

She realizes when Ken is breaking

down how much she really hurt him.

704

: 00:28:59

And that the problem was identity.

705

: 00:29:00

Ken's identity, or lack thereof.

706

: 00:29:03

She says quote, maybe all

things you thought made you.

707

: 00:29:07

Oh, maybe all the things you thought

made you you aren't really you Right

708

: 00:29:12

big moment for Ken and Barbie because

now she's starting to get closer to

709

: 00:29:16

that spiritual goal Right, right.

710

: 00:29:19

Who do you really want to be?

711

: 00:29:21

Yeah, take dig down deep Ken, after

a few failed attempts to again be

712

: 00:29:26

Barbie's boyfriend by trying to

plan a kiss on her, he realizes

713

: 00:29:29

his place is to just find himself.

714

: 00:29:32

He starts saying, Ken is me!

715

: 00:29:37

And he says quote, maybe instead of

Barb or no, she says, Barbie says,

716

: 00:29:41

maybe instead of Barbie and Ken,

it's Barbie and it's Ken, right?

717

: 00:29:47

Which is her eye opening moment.

718

: 00:29:49

Execution of the new plan.

719

: 00:29:50

The Mattel CEO and bosses want

everything to go back to how it was,

720

: 00:29:54

but President Barbie is the first

to shut that down in favor of the

721

: 00:29:58

new, sort of, new Barbie land, which

is a little bit more of equality.

722

: 00:30:02

Right.

723

: 00:30:02

Not all the way, and Helen Mirren's

voiceover even says we're not ready

724

: 00:30:07

for equal parts of the Supreme Court.

725

: 00:30:10

Helen Mirren says, The men will

represent about as much as the

726

: 00:30:14

women do in today's real world.

727

: 00:30:16

Like, again, just a little, Hey,

you can't have it both ways.

728

: 00:30:21

So, okay.

729

: 00:30:22

So yeah, so again, Right before that

whole jump into Act 3, With the five point

730

: 00:30:26

finale, That's where I was like, I was

put off for a second, like just a second.

731

: 00:30:31

I was like, wait a minute, they

wanted to go back to how it was.

732

: 00:30:33

Right.

733

: 00:30:34

Ken clearly told her when he was

kicking her out of her house, It

734

: 00:30:37

doesn't feel too good now, does it?

735

: 00:30:39

You know?

736

: 00:30:39

So she knew that she was

making him feel like shit.

737

: 00:30:43

And now they want to go back

to that, I had a problem with.

738

: 00:30:45

But, Greta, in her creative way, You

know, made it to where Barbie hadn't

739

: 00:30:50

reached her spiritual goal yet.

740

: 00:30:51

And when she does they still have

power, they still have more power

741

: 00:30:55

than the men, but there is more of a

sense of equality, and it's more about

742

: 00:31:00

the Kens finding themselves as well

as the Barbies finding themselves.

743

: 00:31:03

Right, right.

744

: 00:31:04

Right?

745

: 00:31:04

The Barbies were all independent before,

one wrote, remember the one says, I

746

: 00:31:08

did write a book, you know what I mean?

747

: 00:31:10

One of them was president, one of

them was this, one of them was that.

748

: 00:31:13

The Kens were none of that.

749

: 00:31:15

There was Beach Ken, which by the way,

I'm gonna get to that in a second.

750

: 00:31:19

How many beach Kens were there?

751

: 00:31:21

But that was basically

their existence, right?

752

: 00:31:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753

: 00:31:23

So this is a spiritual goal, not just for

Barbie, but for the Kens in the movie too.

754

: 00:31:28

Right, right.

755

: 00:31:29

So, I think that was a major point

of, of the equality at the end.

756

: 00:31:33

Climax, Ruth returns and

Barbie's unsure of her future.

757

: 00:31:37

She says, quote, maybe I'm not Barbie

and suggests a change is needed.

758

: 00:31:40

The change that she once

was terrified of, mind you.

759

: 00:31:44

Ruth says, you understand, this

is quote, you understand that

760

: 00:31:47

humans only have one ending.

761

: 00:31:49

Ideas live forever.

762

: 00:31:51

Humans, not so much.

763

: 00:31:53

But that's she's okay with that right

because she says I'd rather be part

764

: 00:31:57

of the living part of it, right?

765

: 00:32:00

Barbie becomes human achieving her

spiritual goal discovering what she really

766

: 00:32:04

really wanted and needed to be again What

do we always talk about arc if you were

767

: 00:32:08

to take the person at the end and put him

at the beginning if you were Told Barbie

768

: 00:32:11

at the beginning of this movie you're

gonna be human What would she have said?

769

: 00:32:14

Fuck you!

770

: 00:32:15

I'm gonna be human!

771

: 00:32:16

Like, she doesn't want that at all, right?

772

: 00:32:18

So you gotta go through that growth.

773

: 00:32:20

You gotta go through that journey.

774

: 00:32:22

Closing image, Barbie goes to her

gynecologist's office, which I thought

775

: 00:32:26

was here's how my fucked up mind works.

776

: 00:32:29

When she first said, I'm here to see

my gynecologist, my first, again, this

777

: 00:32:34

is why Greta Gerwig made this movie.

778

: 00:32:37

Somebody like me.

779

: 00:32:38

My first thought wasn't, oh, that's

right because she has a vagina now.

780

: 00:32:43

She's now anatomically correct.

781

: 00:32:45

She's a human so she has a vagina.

782

: 00:32:47

No, no, I jumped over that and I

went to, she's pregnant already?

783

: 00:32:53

And then like a half a second went

by and went, oh you fucking idiot.

784

: 00:32:57

This is, you obviously need to

watch the movie again, because

785

: 00:33:00

you are not, I haven't learned my

spiritual goal, which is women are

786

: 00:33:05

not just there to be Ken's baby mama.

787

: 00:33:09

So, I had to self correct and be

like, oh my god, I can't believe

788

: 00:33:12

I thought that for a moment.

789

: 00:33:13

And by the way, I'm admitting

a lot right now saying that,

790

: 00:33:16

I could have buried all that.

791

: 00:33:17

But no, I'm gonna be truthful to

the audience, to the listeners,

792

: 00:33:19

that I too, Greta Gerwig made

this movie for people like me.

793

: 00:33:24

I had to backtrack and be like, no,

no, no, she's anatomically correct.

794

: 00:33:28

Now she's got a vagina.

795

: 00:33:30

So she needs to see a

gynecologist makes sense.

796

: 00:33:32

And I was a little ashamed that my first

thought was what she's pregnant already.

797

: 00:33:36

All right.

798

: 00:33:37

No, it's again on the arc.

799

: 00:33:38

Barbie's tangible goals to find out who or

what caused the ripple in the continuum.

800

: 00:33:42

She achieves that in the midpoint

scene, her spiritual goal, obviously.

801

: 00:33:45

Was discover what she truly needs

to be and that was to be human.

802

: 00:33:49

All right, so funny moments So we've

got empty cups and empty showers All

803

: 00:33:55

of that sets up pretty great right

where they go to drink something, but

804

: 00:33:58

there's nothing in the cup And then

when she goes in the shower, there's

805

: 00:34:02

no water coming down, but yet she

feels like it's great and everything.

806

: 00:34:05

But then after things start to get

weird, she feels cold water, even though

807

: 00:34:09

there's still no water coming down.

808

: 00:34:11

But she reacts to it like it's cold.

809

: 00:34:13

Her food is burnt.

810

: 00:34:16

Right?

811

: 00:34:17

She has bad breath when she

wakes up in the morning.

812

: 00:34:20

All these are great.

813

: 00:34:21

And then Then Ken wants to

fight another Ken at the beach

814

: 00:34:24

and they call it a beach off?

815

: 00:34:26

Yes.

816

: 00:34:26

He's like, I'm going to

beach you off right now.

817

: 00:34:28

And the guy's like,

you can't beach me off.

818

: 00:34:30

I'm going to beach you off.

819

: 00:34:31

And then and then Barbie

goes to break it up.

820

: 00:34:36

And she's like, all right, nobody

is going to beach anybody off.

821

: 00:34:40

Chris: I felt like they put that in there

for all the, the few Neanderthals that

822

: 00:34:46

are going to be dragged to this movie.

823

: 00:34:47

Here's a little something for you guys.

824

: 00:34:49

Jerome: Yes, people like me.

825

: 00:34:53

Alright.

826

: 00:34:54

Something for everybody.

827

: 00:34:55

So, when she goes to Mattel,

this is another funny moment.

828

: 00:34:58

When she goes to Mattel, they

give her real water to drink.

829

: 00:35:01

And she does the thing, like she thinks

there's nothing that's going to come out,

830

: 00:35:04

but the water all comes out on her face.

831

: 00:35:06

And you know what it reminded me of?

832

: 00:35:08

Ted Stryker's drinking

problem in the movie Airplane.

833

: 00:35:10

Airplane, yes.

834

: 00:35:14

So, yeah, so that was a great moment.

835

: 00:35:15

I already mentioned Will Ferrell

and his We Love Women speech.

836

: 00:35:18

Some of my best friends are Jewish.

837

: 00:35:20

Alright, trivia.

838

: 00:35:21

America Ferreira, who plays Gloria,

has her husband in the movie

839

: 00:35:26

played by her real life husband.

840

: 00:35:28

Oh, really?

841

: 00:35:28

Ryan Pearson Williams.

842

: 00:35:30

I didn't know that.

843

: 00:35:31

Gal Gadot, who plays Wonder Woman,

was originally considered for the role

844

: 00:35:35

of Barbie, but she was unavailable.

845

: 00:35:38

Here's my last piece of trivia before

I turn it over to you on any thoughts

846

: 00:35:41

or added trivia that you might have.

847

: 00:35:43

It's nominated for best adapted

screenplay, although it is not

848

: 00:35:47

based on any previously published

movie, book, show, or anything.

849

: 00:35:53

Chris: It's because the

Barbie character, right?

850

: 00:35:57

Jerome: Yes, but!

851

: 00:35:58

It's nominated for best original

screenplay in almost every

852

: 00:36:02

other award show this year.

853

: 00:36:03

The Writers Guild had it

in the original category.

854

: 00:36:06

Wow.

855

: 00:36:06

Uh, I think the Golden Globes

had it in the original category.

856

: 00:36:09

Only the Oscars are deviating.

857

: 00:36:11

Chris: Yeah, and that I was upset

about when I saw it because knowing

858

: 00:36:15

how original this story was.

859

: 00:36:17

Right.

860

: 00:36:17

I was like, come on, man.

861

: 00:36:19

Just cause, just cause it's based

on a character named Barbie.

862

: 00:36:23

They had to make it an adapted screenplay?

863

: 00:36:26

I'm like, ugh.

864

: 00:36:27

Jerome: If you want to scream

conspiracy politics with Oscars,

865

: 00:36:31

you could argue this, because I

looked into it a little bit deeper.

866

: 00:36:36

Bradley Cooper has 12

Academy Award nominations.

867

: 00:36:39

He's never won.

868

: 00:36:41

He's likely not going to win for Maestro.

869

: 00:36:44

Best director or best actor, probably.

870

: 00:36:46

But he is up for screenplay,

because he wrote the screenplay.

871

: 00:36:50

So, by putting her in the adapted

category, it kind of clears the avenue

872

: 00:36:55

a little bit for Bradley Cooper to win

Best Original Screenplay for Maestro.

873

: 00:37:00

Yeah, he could finally get one.

874

: 00:37:01

But here's, the counterpoint is, well

wait, by putting her in the adapted

875

: 00:37:05

category, she now has to go up against

Christopher Nolan and Oppenheimer.

876

: 00:37:09

But, you know how voters are, they

could say, I don't know, Credit

877

: 00:37:13

gets that one, Nolan's gonna get

Best Picture and Best Director.

878

: 00:37:16

Hmm.

879

: 00:37:17

Right?

880

: 00:37:18

So, he's not a threat in the

adapted screenplay category.

881

: 00:37:22

That's hers to win.

882

: 00:37:23

Okay.

883

: 00:37:24

You know what I'm saying?

884

: 00:37:24

So if you believe in the 5, 000 Academy

members all get together on a Zoom chat

885

: 00:37:30

and work this shit out, that's where the

only thing I could come up with as why

886

: 00:37:36

they would make it an original screenplay.

887

: 00:37:37

Chris: Right, right.

888

: 00:37:39

Jerome: Or I mean adapted, to get it

out of the original screenplay category.

889

: 00:37:43

Which, isn't it ironic, because if

what I say is true, Bradley Cooper

890

: 00:37:49

is nominated for best original

screenplay for writing an original

891

: 00:37:53

story about a real life person.

892

: 00:37:55

But yet Barbie has to go in the

adapted category because it's a

893

: 00:37:58

made up story about a made up thing.

894

: 00:38:00

Right.

895

: 00:38:02

Right?

896

: 00:38:02

Yeah, right.

897

: 00:38:02

So But okay, Oscar politics.

898

: 00:38:07

Alright, what do you think?

899

: 00:38:08

Well, I mean,

900

: 00:38:09

Chris: you already heard my thoughts.

901

: 00:38:11

I enjoyed the movie.

902

: 00:38:12

So, when I saw the nominations, I,

you know, I wasn't all that upset

903

: 00:38:19

that Margot Robbie wasn't nominated.

904

: 00:38:21

I mean, she did a fine job, but

I, you know, I haven't watched

905

: 00:38:27

all the performances for best

best, you know, best actor.

906

: 00:38:31

Right.

907

: 00:38:31

But I just held out judgment because

I, and I'm still not sure because

908

: 00:38:36

I haven't seen everybody yet.

909

: 00:38:37

Sure.

910

: 00:38:38

But when I saw the nomination

for America Fiera, I, and this is

911

: 00:38:42

going to be an unpopular opinion.

912

: 00:38:43

I'm probably going to

get lots of hate mail.

913

: 00:38:45

I felt like she was the same character.

914

: 00:38:48

She is in like Superstore or whatever

the, is that the show Superstore?

915

: 00:38:52

She just she played America Fiera.

916

: 00:38:55

You know, I mean, I don't

917

: 00:38:58

Jerome: know though if you, if the, if the

nomination or an ensuing Oscar, which I

918

: 00:39:03

don't even know if she's the front runner.

919

: 00:39:05

I don't know if a lot of that is That

they play somebody different from them.

920

: 00:39:10

No, I know.

921

: 00:39:10

Sometimes, sometimes it's

their impact on the film.

922

: 00:39:14

Yeah, yeah.

923

: 00:39:15

And, and her impact on this film.

924

: 00:39:17

She's the Obi Wan of this movie, right?

925

: 00:39:20

Yeah.

926

: 00:39:20

I mean, if you think about it, I

mean, Alec Guinness was nominated

927

: 00:39:22

for Best Supporting Actor.

928

: 00:39:23

Did he really go outside of

his acting chops for Star Wars?

929

: 00:39:27

He pretty much was an old man

walking around with a robe on.

930

: 00:39:30

But his impact was

931

: 00:39:32

Chris: large.

932

: 00:39:32

Well, and, again, like I said, I've

not, I'm not comparing her to all

933

: 00:39:36

the other best supporting actors.

934

: 00:39:38

Yeah, I don't even know if

I've seen the other ones yet.

935

: 00:39:40

I don't even know.

936

: 00:39:40

Right, so, but, anyway,

I mean, I like her.

937

: 00:39:43

That's fair criticism.

938

: 00:39:44

Yeah, I like her, and, and,

you know, she is a good actor.

939

: 00:39:48

Jerome: It's, it's, it's fair

criticism because the counterpoint

940

: 00:39:51

is the Heath Ledger argument.

941

: 00:39:52

Where is, when somebody completely

disappears into a role, Right, then you're

942

: 00:39:56

like, Then you can't even tell it's them.

943

: 00:39:57

Yeah, that, yeah.

944

: 00:39:58

You're like, well for

sure they're gonna win.

945

: 00:40:00

You know what I mean?

946

: 00:40:01

So yeah, I get it.

947

: 00:40:02

I just, I've seen so many supporting

actors and actresses come and go that

948

: 00:40:07

it doesn't seem like the role itself

is demanding as far as, you know,

949

: 00:40:16

But sometimes their impact is more.

950

: 00:40:18

Juliette Binoche won

for the English patient.

951

: 00:40:19

A really terrible English patient.

952

: 00:40:21

But Juliette Binoche won Best

Supporting Actress for that.

953

: 00:40:24

I don't think she did anything out

of her normal shit that she had done.

954

: 00:40:26

She's a French actress

that makes French movies.

955

: 00:40:28

Chris: Well, and it's not just the,

like, the normal stuff they've done.

956

: 00:40:30

But, like what's his name?

957

: 00:40:32

Paul Giamatti.

958

: 00:40:33

He can Just the, I don't know, the

way he, that guy can just memorize his

959

: 00:40:40

lines and deliver them in such a way

it's just, I don't know, he'll make

960

: 00:40:44

me hold my breath when he's talking.

961

: 00:40:46

You know what I mean?

962

: 00:40:47

And I haven't seen the movie he's in

that's up for, is it up for Best Picture?

963

: 00:40:52

Jerome: I bought it.

964

: 00:40:54

Yeah, I bought it.

965

: 00:40:55

Yeah, I gotta see that one.

966

: 00:40:56

It's our, it's our target right now.

967

: 00:40:57

Chris: And we gotta do that one next.

968

: 00:40:59

Jerome: I bought it.

969

: 00:40:59

The holdovers.

970

: 00:41:00

Yeah.

971

: 00:41:00

Yeah, I mean, but he's, you know, he's

kind of like Meryl Streep, you know,

972

: 00:41:04

you give him anything and they can make

something out of it, you know what I mean?

973

: 00:41:08

Yeah.

974

: 00:41:08

You, you could, like I said before,

you could give Meryl Streep a,

975

: 00:41:11

Friggin phone book and say, read

this and it'd be the greatest reading

976

: 00:41:15

of a phone book you've ever heard

in your life, you know what I mean?

977

: 00:41:17

Like just some people, I mean, and

I'm not trying to, I mean, I'm not

978

: 00:41:21

trying to say that America Ferreira

is not Meryl Streep, but I feel like

979

: 00:41:25

her impact in this movie was enough.

980

: 00:41:26

I can see the nomination

based on impact alone.

981

: 00:41:30

You know what I mean?

982

: 00:41:30

Chris: Yeah, I mean I think about other

actors like You mentioned Florence

983

: 00:41:33

Pugh Holy crap, I mean the, the, the

variation of characters she's played in

984

: 00:41:38

just the few movies I've seen her in.

985

: 00:41:40

Yeah.

986

: 00:41:41

I'm like holy crap man, she can

really I don't know, be a convincing

987

: 00:41:45

presence in different roles, so.

988

: 00:41:47

Jerome: And she's in the new Dune, right?

989

: 00:41:49

Yeah.

990

: 00:41:49

She's in the Dune sequel.

991

: 00:41:50

Yep.

992

: 00:41:50

Yeah.

993

: 00:41:51

She's everywhere.

994

: 00:41:51

Looking forward to that.

995

: 00:41:51

That's coming out in March.

996

: 00:41:53

Yeah, I love her.

997

: 00:41:54

She's great.

998

: 00:41:54

But okay, so are we going to

officially close the book on Barbie?

999

: 00:41:58

Chris: Until the sequel comes out.

: 1000

00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:03,830

Jerome: Yeah, I think which would

be awesome if they did a sequel.

: 1001

00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:08,140

But, no, I mean, again, to your point,

I haven't seen all the movies that

: 1002

00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:09,370

are nominated for Best Director yet.

: 1003

00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:11,270

I cannot say if it's truly a snub.

: 1004

00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:12,750

It seems like a snub.

: 1005

00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,620

Because when you've directed the

film, that has a lot of production

: 1006

00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:20,710

design, and imagery, and visuals,

and it was the number one movie of

: 1007

00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:23,020

the year, making 1.4 billion dollars.

: 1008

00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:26,350

Chris: And even the music, like,

as a director, she played a big

: 1009

00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,870

role in putting that together.

: 1010

00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:29,200

Jerome: Absolutely, absolutely.

: 1011

00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,920

And your film gets 8

Academy Award nominations.

: 1012

00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:34,940

Yeah, it's a snub if you don't

get nominated for Best Director

: 1013

00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:38,180

when you have all that shit on

your resume for that one movie.

: 1014

00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,030

But again, I think it

was just a math issue.

: 1015

00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:43,910

I think when people were filling out

their cards, they were like, She'll

: 1016

00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:45,230

get in, I don't have to include her.

: 1017

00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:47,070

I want to see Didier get in.

: 1018

00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:49,980

Or I want to see, you know,

obviously I gotta put Nolan number

: 1019

00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:51,150

one or whatever, I don't know.

: 1020

00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:53,440

Oh, I gotta put Scorsese in,

cause Scorsese always in,

: 1021

00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,320

you know, like, whatever.

: 1022

00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:57,530

I don't know how their math

was, but it just worked out that

: 1023

00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:58,500

she got left out of the cut.

: 1024

00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,030

I mean, if there was allowed

six nominees, she's probably in.

: 1025

00:43:01,250 --> 00:43:04,910

Chris: Well, I hope Barbie at least

does well with the nominations I got.

: 1026

00:43:05,110 --> 00:43:06,860

Jerome: So, real quick, what

do you got for predictions?

: 1027

00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:08,000

Chris: I don't have any.

: 1028

00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:11,380

Jerome: I think, I don't think

Ryan Gosling wins Best Supporting

: 1029

00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:12,600

Actor, and I'll tell you why.

: 1030

00:43:13,610 --> 00:43:14,930

That dude's got a lot of range.

: 1031

00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,170

He's had some great movies.

: 1032

00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:18,260

He's been up for Best Actor before.

: 1033

00:43:18,830 --> 00:43:22,050

And he's, he's had some great

performances that I don't think his

: 1034

00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:24,720

crowning achievement is to be Ken.

: 1035

00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:25,390

I just don't.

: 1036

00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:25,720

I don't.

: 1037

00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:27,990

Chris: Well, and we've gone

over this before, though, too.

: 1038

00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:31,000

So, like, Denzel's crowning

achievement wasn't Training Day.

: 1039

00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,310

Jerome: True, but he was much older.

: 1040

00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,430

Ryan's still relatively young.

: 1041

00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:37,390

Ryan's got his Leo years coming up, right?

: 1042

00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:37,560

Yeah.

: 1043

00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,930

Same with Al Pacino, right?

: 1044

00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,390

Well, yeah, but Pacino and Denzel

were definitely make up awards.

: 1045

00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:45,000

Yes, those were, yeah.

: 1046

00:43:45,110 --> 00:43:48,000

But Leo, I don't think the

revenant was a make up a word.

: 1047

00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,040

I think it was the perfect timing.

: 1048

00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:51,850

Chris: No, yeah, no, he was,

he wasn't only just due,

: 1049

00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:53,200

that was a great performance.

: 1050

00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:56,580

Jerome: And I think Ryan's

revenant is out there.

: 1051

00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:57,570

You know what I mean?

: 1052

00:43:57,850 --> 00:44:00,000

Chris: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

: 1053

00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:01,079

I think you're right.

: 1054

00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,210

Jerome: So unfortunately, I don't

see Barbie taking a lot that night.

: 1055

00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,280

I think Billie Eilish should win for song.

: 1056

00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,040

By the way, there's two songs, by the

way, up for best song at the Oscars.

: 1057

00:44:11,230 --> 00:44:13,430

It's also the I am Ken song.

: 1058

00:44:13,780 --> 00:44:14,250

Oh, really?

: 1059

00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:17,520

The one during the end, when he's

got that whole big thing, he's got

: 1060

00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,410

the big production moment, right?

: 1061

00:44:19,780 --> 00:44:22,580

The guy that wrote that song is up

for best song too, but I really think

: 1062

00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:24,080

Chris: Did Ryan gosling sing that?

: 1063

00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:26,030

Jerome: I don't know.

: 1064

00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:28,310

Chris: Cause then he'd get

the award, wouldn't he?

: 1065

00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:30,010

Jerome: No, no, no, it goes

to whoever wrote the song.

: 1066

00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:30,960

Chris: Whoever wrote it, okay.

: 1067

00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,850

Jerome: So, I, but I do see Billie

Eilish winning for What Was I Made For.

: 1068

00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:35,080

Huh.

: 1069

00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,250

It was not only a great song, but I

know, remember I said I had heard of

: 1070

00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:42,590

the song before I heard it, before

I knew it was part of the movie.

: 1071

00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:42,950

Right.

: 1072

00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,550

It serves as sort of unofficial

soundtrack moments, right?

: 1073

00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:48,860

Mm hmm.

: 1074

00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:51,710

Where, like, the deepest,

saddest parts are coming.

: 1075

00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:54,260

That song, the music from

that song is being played.

: 1076

00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:54,590

Yeah.

: 1077

00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:58,610

You know, much like Ode to Joy, the

Beethoven song, was the unofficial

: 1078

00:44:58,610 --> 00:44:59,900

soundtrack for Die Hard, right?

: 1079

00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:02,820

Like, they just kept playing

that song over and over again.

: 1080

00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:03,219

Right, right.

: 1081

00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:06,730

Celine Dion's song My Heart

Will Go On from Titanic.

: 1082

00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,010

That was like the unofficial

soundtrack song, right?

: 1083

00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:12,190

Like, that music kept coming

up over and over in that movie.

: 1084

00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:16,070

So, I really think her song was

more impactful than the Ken song.

: 1085

00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:18,040

So I think she should win.

: 1086

00:45:18,610 --> 00:45:20,410

Probably production and costume.

: 1087

00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:23,040

I can't remember which one of those

it's up for, but it might win those.

: 1088

00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,100

But unfortunately, oh, Greta!

: 1089

00:45:25,110 --> 00:45:25,690

I got Greta!

: 1090

00:45:25,690 --> 00:45:27,480

I got Greta winning

Best Adapted Screenplay.

: 1091

00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,290

So so a couple of big wins there.

: 1092

00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:30,720

Yeah.

: 1093

00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:33,680

It'd be nice if Billie Eilish and Greta

Gerwig could both win Oscars that day.

: 1094

00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,690

Chris: Are you gonna have squares, like

with the Super Bowl, that we can bet on?

: 1095

00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,000

Jerome: I do, I do, I don't have bets,

but I do send my pics to Kaitlynn

: 1096

00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:43,330

every year, she'll tell you that.

: 1097

00:45:43,850 --> 00:45:46,830

Chris's daughter Kaitlynn is as

into movies as I am, and every year,

: 1098

00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:50,635

like the day of, I always wait for

the day of because You can never

: 1099

00:45:50,635 --> 00:45:54,175

make your predictions too early

because the vibe starts to change.

: 1100

00:45:54,415 --> 00:45:56,255

Because people in Hollywood

start talking, and they start

: 1101

00:45:56,255 --> 00:45:57,375

talking about who they voted for.

: 1102

00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:00,475

So then when you start to see the

pendulum swing, you're like, Oh shit,

: 1103

00:46:00,485 --> 00:46:02,205

everything's going Parasite now.

: 1104

00:46:02,375 --> 00:46:02,935

You know what I mean?

: 1105

00:46:03,145 --> 00:46:05,125

Oh shit, everything's going CODA now.

: 1106

00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:08,605

You know, so I always wait till the last

day and I hear the buzz on the street.

: 1107

00:46:08,865 --> 00:46:11,825

I put my ear to the sidewalk and I hear

what the buzz on the street is, and

: 1108

00:46:11,825 --> 00:46:13,225

I'll send my predictions to Kaitlynn.

: 1109

00:46:13,245 --> 00:46:14,975

She's always the first person

I send my predictions to.

: 1110

00:46:15,365 --> 00:46:17,115

But so unless it changes.

: 1111

00:46:17,345 --> 00:46:18,645

That's where I'm at right now.

: 1112

00:46:18,955 --> 00:46:22,635

Best original song, best adapted

screenplay you know, maybe

: 1113

00:46:22,635 --> 00:46:24,295

costume or productions in there.

: 1114

00:46:24,295 --> 00:46:25,435

I'd have to look at the nominations.

: 1115

00:46:25,435 --> 00:46:26,269

Chris: Yeah.

: 1116

00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,180

Well, we did, we did this

first one in less than an hour.

: 1117

00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,420

Can we do Oppenheimer in less than three?

: 1118

00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,070

Jerome: Can the movie be less than three?

: 1119

00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,160

For those of you that don't

know, Oppenheimer is exactly

: 1120

00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,580

to the minute three hours long.

: 1121

00:46:39,590 --> 00:46:39,860

Yeah.

: 1122

00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:42,500

But, but, didn't it kind of move quickly?

: 1123

00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,380

Chris: I don't know, man.

: 1124

00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:46,280

When I was watching it last

night, I kept dozing off.

: 1125

00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:48,440

Jerome: Oh, see, you

got, you do what he does.

: 1126

00:46:48,685 --> 00:46:51,555

V always gets in bed after

a long day of work and

: 1127

00:46:51,555 --> 00:46:52,715

Chris: It wasn't that late!

: 1128

00:46:52,805 --> 00:46:53,655

It wasn't that late!

: 1129

00:46:53,905 --> 00:46:56,775

But it was, it was after work

and it was like, I don't know,

: 1130

00:46:56,775 --> 00:46:58,645

I think I started at like, 6.

: 1131

00:46:59,205 --> 00:47:00,115

So it wasn't late at all.

: 1132

00:47:00,115 --> 00:47:01,205

Jerome: Wait, 6 o'clock your time?

: 1133

00:47:01,285 --> 00:47:02,475

Chris: Yeah, 6pm.

: 1134

00:47:02,535 --> 00:47:04,035

Jerome: What's your problem, you old man?

: 1135

00:47:04,035 --> 00:47:07,125

Chris: And I'm like, I'm like an

hour in and it's just, I don't

: 1136

00:47:07,125 --> 00:47:08,765

know, we're gonna get into it, so.

: 1137

00:47:08,965 --> 00:47:11,525

Jerome: Here's why I think,

I'll mention it right now, why I

: 1138

00:47:11,555 --> 00:47:13,375

think it works for three hours.

: 1139

00:47:14,135 --> 00:47:15,055

The scenes are short.

: 1140

00:47:15,615 --> 00:47:19,440

Chris: Well, and it's all the flashbacks

and back and forth and Yeah, but

: 1141

00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,090

yeah, you get in a comfy chair.

: 1142

00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:25,090

Jerome: By the way, I, I, I

had to a couple of things.

: 1143

00:47:25,090 --> 00:47:25,960

First of all, Barbie.

: 1144

00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:29,030

If, I, I always write

down the scenes, right?

: 1145

00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:30,410

I do a scene list as I go.

: 1146

00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:33,780

It helps me dictate beats if I'm

having trouble finding beats.

: 1147

00:47:34,115 --> 00:47:37,235

Didn't have any trouble with Barbie

or Oppenheimer, but like for Fat Man I

: 1148

00:47:37,235 --> 00:47:40,485

needed to write down all the scenes cuz

I couldn't figure out the fucking beats

: 1149

00:47:40,495 --> 00:47:44,735

for that movie to save my life But anyway,

so I always do as just a habit I'll write

: 1150

00:47:44,735 --> 00:47:49,415

down the scenes and I noticed that after

the midpoint scene of Barbie the second

: 1151

00:47:49,415 --> 00:47:53,885

half seemed to go really quick And I

remember think like not as many scenes

: 1152

00:47:53,885 --> 00:47:57,115

were written down and I remember thinking

well, how is that possible minutes wise?

: 1153

00:47:57,115 --> 00:47:59,725

It's exactly halfway through

and then it occurred to me

: 1154

00:48:00,415 --> 00:48:03,735

Greta's structure of that film.

: 1155

00:48:04,615 --> 00:48:06,805

The first half of the

film are quick scenes.

: 1156

00:48:07,245 --> 00:48:08,685

They're going pretty quickly, right?

: 1157

00:48:08,735 --> 00:48:10,745

Like, you don't spend a lot

of time in any one scene.

: 1158

00:48:10,905 --> 00:48:12,485

There's quick shots, you're seeing this.

: 1159

00:48:12,625 --> 00:48:14,175

You get a lot of Will Ferrell humor.

: 1160

00:48:14,325 --> 00:48:15,884

There's, you know, things

are going back and back.

: 1161

00:48:15,885 --> 00:48:18,465

Once you get into that second

act, where she gets back to

: 1162

00:48:18,465 --> 00:48:21,335

Barbieland and everything's gone

to shit and it becomes Ken-dom?

: 1163

00:48:21,785 --> 00:48:23,455

I like how he calls it Ken-dom by the way.

: 1164

00:48:23,465 --> 00:48:24,745

Sounds like condom, doesn't it?

: 1165

00:48:25,625 --> 00:48:28,915

I know he was going for Kingdom,

but he named it Kendam, but it

: 1166

00:48:28,915 --> 00:48:30,595

rolls off like he's saying condom.

: 1167

00:48:31,205 --> 00:48:34,335

But anyway, when she gets back to

condom the scenes are a lot slower.

: 1168

00:48:34,605 --> 00:48:35,135

Right?

: 1169

00:48:35,145 --> 00:48:35,945

There's more time.

: 1170

00:48:35,945 --> 00:48:39,705

The glorious speech, for example

the weird Barbie moments, like

: 1171

00:48:39,705 --> 00:48:41,905

there's just the scenes are longer.

: 1172

00:48:42,355 --> 00:48:46,805

So there might be less scenes, per

se, but they take up more time.

: 1173

00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:52,670

Oppenheimer has a, has an interesting

situation of where the full first half of

: 1174

00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:55,610

Barbie is like Oppenheimer's three hours.

: 1175

00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:56,840

The scenes are quick.

: 1176

00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:59,610

They don't spend a lot

of time on any one scene.

: 1177

00:48:59,610 --> 00:49:02,870

There's no five minute

dialogue scene in Oppenheimer.

: 1178

00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:03,960

They go pretty quick.

: 1179

00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,600

It's, this happened at this time.

: 1180

00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:07,783

Then, this happened at this time.

: 1181

00:49:07,783 --> 00:49:10,318

And then, this happened

at, you know what I mean?

: 1182

00:49:10,318 --> 00:49:11,839

Like, you're just moving right along.

: 1183

00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,750

And I remember telling V that

when we were in the theater.

: 1184

00:49:14,130 --> 00:49:16,190

I was like, dude, I, I

know it's three hours.

: 1185

00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:19,340

But I feel like it's not, like

it feels like it moves quickly.

: 1186

00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:22,840

And that's one of the notations I

put that I really liked the way that

: 1187

00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,990

Nolan did that, because if the case

of Benjamin buttons is any indication,

: 1188

00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:34,150

a long movie can feel twice as

long if it has long scenes, right?

: 1189

00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:34,714

Right.

: 1190

00:49:34,715 --> 00:49:41,255

Oppenheimer,: 2023

and directed by Christopher Nolan, based

: 1191

00:49:41,255 --> 00:49:45,045

on the novel American Prometheus, the

tragedy, the triumphant tragedy of J.

: 1192

00:49:45,045 --> 00:49:46,735

Robert Oppenheimer, J.

: 1193

00:49:46,775 --> 00:49:50,325

Robert Oppenheimer, by Ky

Bird and Martin Sherwin.

: 1194

00:49:51,025 --> 00:49:54,745

Starring Cillian Murphy,

Emily Blunt, Florence Pugh,

: 1195

00:49:54,755 --> 00:49:56,865

Matt Damon, Robert Downey Jr.

: 1196

00:49:57,375 --> 00:50:01,725

Which That is my pick for Best Supporting

Actor, now that I think about it.

: 1197

00:50:02,405 --> 00:50:03,285

He was great, yeah.

: 1198

00:50:03,295 --> 00:50:05,015

This is why I don't think Ken is winning.

: 1199

00:50:05,475 --> 00:50:07,285

Robert Downey Jr., this is his year.

: 1200

00:50:07,845 --> 00:50:09,975

Released on July 21st, same as Barbie.

: 1201

00:50:10,315 --> 00:50:12,525

And just like Barbie,

had a 100 million budget.

: 1202

00:50:12,525 --> 00:50:16,305

Went on to gross, as I said, 957 million,

good for third on the worldwide list.

: 1203

00:50:17,175 --> 00:50:17,725

Log me.

: 1204

00:50:17,845 --> 00:50:22,525

Chris: Can I just say, at the

outset, this is a horrible log line.

: 1205

00:50:22,585 --> 00:50:23,685

It's just one sentence.

: 1206

00:50:25,595 --> 00:50:26,045

Here we go.

: 1207

00:50:26,665 --> 00:50:26,975

Alright.

: 1208

00:50:27,805 --> 00:50:30,555

The story of American scientist J.

: 1209

00:50:30,555 --> 00:50:34,985

Robert Oppenheimer and his role in

the development of the atomic bomb.

: 1210

00:50:36,875 --> 00:50:37,215

Boom.

: 1211

00:50:39,015 --> 00:50:39,345

Jerome: Boom.

: 1212

00:50:39,350 --> 00:50:39,990

No pun intended.

: 1213

00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:41,310

Chris: No, pun intended.

: 1214

00:50:41,685 --> 00:50:42,075

Jerome: Yeah.

: 1215

00:50:42,495 --> 00:50:43,185

Chris: I mean,

: 1216

00:50:43,545 --> 00:50:45,435

Jerome: quick one line, no hook.

: 1217

00:50:45,435 --> 00:50:46,665

There's no hook, no hook.

: 1218

00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:49,785

It, it, it definitely comes

off like a biography tagline.

: 1219

00:50:49,815 --> 00:50:50,115

Yeah.

: 1220

00:50:50,115 --> 00:50:50,355

Right.

: 1221

00:50:50,415 --> 00:50:53,415

Like the log line that you

would put for a biography, the

: 1222

00:50:53,415 --> 00:50:55,245

rise and fall of Elvis Presley.

: 1223

00:50:55,275 --> 00:50:55,785

You know what I mean?

: 1224

00:50:55,785 --> 00:50:59,995

Like, it's doesn't, there's no, there's

nothing there that would draw me to

: 1225

00:50:59,995 --> 00:51:03,535

that other than if I really wanted

to know how the atomic bomb was made.

: 1226

00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:04,920

Yeah, right.

: 1227

00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,570

I agree, but cleaner.

: 1228

00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:08,650

It's pretty clean, right?

: 1229

00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:10,100

This is what the movie's about.

: 1230

00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:10,760

Boom.

: 1231

00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:12,300

But yeah, not a lot there.

: 1232

00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:12,960

What are you doing?

: 1233

00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,020

You pulling out the fentanyl?

: 1234

00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:14,770

Oh, okay.

: 1235

00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:17,500

Chris: Time for barbie drink number two.

: 1236

00:51:17,770 --> 00:51:20,560

Jerome: So before we get into the

beats again, your relationship,

: 1237

00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,360

I already told you mine.

: 1238

00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,930

I saw it, I had to see it when

it was in theaters last year.

: 1239

00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:24,930

I saw it on the IMAX.

: 1240

00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,540

Blew me away.

: 1241

00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:30,990

That's not him pissing, by the way.

: 1242

00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:33,670

Gotta clarify.

: 1243

00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:37,140

Yeah, because if those were the bubbles

of his piss, it's fizzing like that,

: 1244

00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:38,960

he's, he's got to go see the doctor.

: 1245

00:51:42,070 --> 00:51:43,720

So anyway, yeah, cheers.

: 1246

00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:45,820

So yeah, so I loved it.

: 1247

00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:51,380

I love, and again, as I've always said,

that there's always one year, right?

: 1248

00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:53,900

There's always one movie that

I love more than anything else,

: 1249

00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:55,210

whether or not it gets nominated.

: 1250

00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:58,450

Like I said, Midsommar had no

nominations, but in: 2019

: 1251

00:51:58,450 --> 00:52:00,470

out of the theater knowing I'm not

going to see a better movie this year.

: 1252

00:52:00,490 --> 00:52:02,330

But, and I felt the same

way with Oppenheimer.

: 1253

00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:05,240

I was excited to see Barbie, but

when I walked out of Oppenheimer,

: 1254

00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:08,350

I remember saying, I am not going

to see a better movie this year.

: 1255

00:52:09,250 --> 00:52:10,550

Chris: I wish I would have bought it.

: 1256

00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:12,040

I rented it yesterday.

: 1257

00:52:12,050 --> 00:52:13,660

So yesterday is the first time I saw it.

: 1258

00:52:13,690 --> 00:52:15,100

That's my relationship to it.

: 1259

00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:19,260

I watched about Half of it and

had to finish the other half on my

: 1260

00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:23,440

phone the guy that tells everyone

to go support their local cinema

: 1261

00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:24,090

Jerome: You bastard!

: 1262

00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:26,790

How could you do that?

: 1263

00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:33,010

Chris: I feel like such a traitor

But yeah, so I need to rewatch it So

: 1264

00:52:33,010 --> 00:52:35,990

that's why I wish I would have bought

it because now I gotta rent it again I

: 1265

00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:37,580

mean ever wait till it comes out again.

: 1266

00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:38,980

I'm a streaming service.

: 1267

00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:41,390

Jerome: Did you ever get back

to Anatomy of a Fall by the way?

: 1268

00:52:42,125 --> 00:52:44,115

Chris: No, I never rewatched that one.

: 1269

00:52:44,425 --> 00:52:45,455

I want to though.

: 1270

00:52:45,935 --> 00:52:47,785

Jerome: But you really just

rewatched the third act.

: 1271

00:52:47,785 --> 00:52:50,045

You didn't even have to

rewatch the whole thing.

: 1272

00:52:50,045 --> 00:52:51,725

Chris: So, but yeah, Oppenheimer.

: 1273

00:52:51,905 --> 00:52:56,925

So, I felt like, so just my

initial reaction, I'm going

: 1274

00:52:56,925 --> 00:52:57,835

to give you that right now.

: 1275

00:52:59,625 --> 00:53:04,625

I felt like, not quite as

strongly as you did in About Time.

: 1276

00:53:05,965 --> 00:53:10,175

When it came to Oppenheimer's

PTSD, I'm like, Get over it, man.

: 1277

00:53:10,185 --> 00:53:11,245

You created the bomb.

: 1278

00:53:11,245 --> 00:53:12,915

You deserve to feel that way.

: 1279

00:53:14,465 --> 00:53:17,325

And the whole time, if he,

was he nominated for anything?

: 1280

00:53:18,135 --> 00:53:18,705

Cillian Murphy?

: 1281

00:53:18,865 --> 00:53:19,215

Jerome: Yeah.

: 1282

00:53:19,355 --> 00:53:20,075

Best actor.

: 1283

00:53:20,285 --> 00:53:22,405

Chris: So, if he wins for this

: 1284

00:53:25,675 --> 00:53:28,225

Jerome: For those of you that can't

see him right now, my brother's acting.

: 1285

00:53:29,025 --> 00:53:29,435

And

: 1286

00:53:29,435 --> 00:53:30,185

Chris: No, I'm not.

: 1287

00:53:30,185 --> 00:53:31,645

I'm just staring into space.

: 1288

00:53:31,655 --> 00:53:33,485

Cause that's what he did for three hours.

: 1289

00:53:34,055 --> 00:53:35,405

He just stared into space.

: 1290

00:53:35,715 --> 00:53:36,775

Jerome: How dare you.

: 1291

00:53:36,885 --> 00:53:39,015

I don't know, I'm not very sympathetic.

: 1292

00:53:39,625 --> 00:53:40,095

Chris: Apparently.

: 1293

00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:41,865

Jerome: The blood is on his hands.

: 1294

00:53:42,235 --> 00:53:44,475

Chris: Yeah, which we'll get to

that Truman scene by the way.

: 1295

00:53:44,985 --> 00:53:47,945

Cause there's from what I understand,

that, that scene that he has

: 1296

00:53:47,945 --> 00:53:50,380

with Truman, is very factual.

: 1297

00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,130

Jerome: Is it really?

: 1298

00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:53,520

That he did say, I have blood

on my hands, and Truman said, I

: 1299

00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,080

got twice as many years, and he

pulls out a napkin to give to him.

: 1300

00:53:56,430 --> 00:53:59,550

And then, when he left, he said, Don't

ever let that crybaby in here again.

: 1301

00:53:59,570 --> 00:54:00,050

Right.

: 1302

00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:02,290

So, from what I understand from the book,

: 1303

00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:03,640

Chris: That was my favorite

scene of the whole movie.

: 1304

00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:05,930

That Truman scene was very real.

: 1305

00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:07,530

I was cheering Truman on.

: 1306

00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,440

I was like, Yeah, shut up, you crybaby.

: 1307

00:54:13,525 --> 00:54:16,405

Jerome: To be fair, he

did kill 200, 000 people.

: 1308

00:54:16,565 --> 00:54:17,685

Chris: Well, that's what I'm saying.

: 1309

00:54:17,985 --> 00:54:19,425

So I don't feel bad for him.

: 1310

00:54:19,665 --> 00:54:24,685

I mean, yes, you have a long lost, like,

stare in your eye that's probably not

: 1311

00:54:24,685 --> 00:54:26,295

going to go away until you're gone.

: 1312

00:54:27,325 --> 00:54:27,795

Oh, well.

: 1313

00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:30,690

Jerome: I think the stair was more

than that, as we'll get to it.

: 1314

00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,220

Chris: But, I mean, the whole thing

though, so the whole story of creating

: 1315

00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:39,570

the bomb for military purposes, obviously.

: 1316

00:54:39,980 --> 00:54:40,120

Yeah.

: 1317

00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,390

I mean, it's, it's, it's

a horrible, factual story.

: 1318

00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:45,940

Jerome: But didn't you get the sense?

: 1319

00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:48,820

Sorry, I gotta pull out

my lightsaber for this.

: 1320

00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:51,350

Now that I'm done with that scotch.

: 1321

00:54:51,550 --> 00:54:52,430

Alright, ready?

: 1322

00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:52,950

Mhm.

: 1323

00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:54,500

One, two, three.

: 1324

00:54:55,780 --> 00:55:02,420

I envision like, you guys hear a can

cracking open, I hear Luke turning on

: 1325

00:55:02,420 --> 00:55:04,280

his lightsaber from Return of the Jedi.

: 1326

00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,720

The green one.

: 1327

00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:09,290

That very specific sound the

green one made, that's what

: 1328

00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,770

I hear when I open a beer.

: 1329

00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:11,470

Anyway.

: 1330

00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:12,600

That's pretty bad.

: 1331

00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,520

I should get some help.

: 1332

00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:14,060

Okay.

: 1333

00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:15,350

What was I talking about?

: 1334

00:55:15,350 --> 00:55:20,200

Oh, I thought, what I thought that they

did really well in this film was let

: 1335

00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,290

you know how competitive physicists are.

: 1336

00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:29,010

And I never really knew that until

I saw, I binged the entire show, The

: 1337

00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:34,750

Big Bang Theory, and realized how

competitive physicists really are.

: 1338

00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:35,310

Right?

: 1339

00:55:35,310 --> 00:55:35,745

Right?

: 1340

00:55:36,055 --> 00:55:38,565

They don't want anybody else

to fucking discover anything.

: 1341

00:55:38,815 --> 00:55:40,035

They want to be the one.

: 1342

00:55:40,055 --> 00:55:45,005

It's so self important, so, and they

do a pretty good job of that, where

: 1343

00:55:45,005 --> 00:55:50,035

he's fighting to beat the Germans to

get the bomb to save America, but in

: 1344

00:55:50,035 --> 00:55:53,185

reality, he's trying to beat Heisenberg.

: 1345

00:55:53,705 --> 00:55:55,575

To get the bomb before Heisenberg does.

: 1346

00:55:55,655 --> 00:55:55,895

Right.

: 1347

00:55:55,895 --> 00:55:57,135

Because it's competition.

: 1348

00:55:57,425 --> 00:56:00,095

There's a scene where they meet

each other for the first time.

: 1349

00:56:00,225 --> 00:56:03,315

By the way, Heisenberg

is Hitler's physicist.

: 1350

00:56:03,645 --> 00:56:07,255

Mentioned in the show Breaking Bad,

by the way, which is why Walter White

: 1351

00:56:07,295 --> 00:56:09,315

uses the street name Heisenberg.

: 1352

00:56:09,375 --> 00:56:09,865

Right, right.

: 1353

00:56:10,655 --> 00:56:11,635

Chris: Say my name.

: 1354

00:56:12,635 --> 00:56:16,825

Jerome: By the way, I mentioned in

the notes here, there's a scene where

: 1355

00:56:16,825 --> 00:56:21,235

Oppenheimer puts his hat on for the first

time, that actual hat, his signature hat.

: 1356

00:56:21,395 --> 00:56:25,215

And it reminded me of the time when Walter

White puts his hat on for the first time.

: 1357

00:56:25,215 --> 00:56:26,145

Chris: And becomes Heisenberg.

: 1358

00:56:26,145 --> 00:56:26,705

Jerome: And becomes Heisenberg.

: 1359

00:56:27,135 --> 00:56:29,535

I remember watching that going,

is that Christopher Nolan doing

: 1360

00:56:29,535 --> 00:56:31,315

an homage to Breaking Bad?

: 1361

00:56:31,345 --> 00:56:32,865

Cause that would be awesome if it was.

: 1362

00:56:33,135 --> 00:56:39,340

But anyway, it's, it's, it was really

not about, I mean, it was masked as,

: 1363

00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:42,110

I want to save America, so we got

to get the bomb before Germany does.

: 1364

00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:44,180

He was really competing

against Heisenberg.

: 1365

00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,490

And that scene I was talking about, when

they first meet each other, Heisenberg

: 1366

00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:49,470

says, why are you going back to America?

: 1367

00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:51,670

There's no physicist program there.

: 1368

00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:53,540

You should stay here,

where all the action is.

: 1369

00:56:53,580 --> 00:56:55,700

And what does Oppenheimer say?

: 1370

00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:56,990

That's why I got to go back.

: 1371

00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:59,420

Because I want to, I

got to create it, right?

: 1372

00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,400

I mean, think about it.

: 1373

00:57:00,430 --> 00:57:03,770

He, he almost single handedly

built the physicist program.

: 1374

00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,730

That we know of at Berkeley

and probably in America.

: 1375

00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:11,940

Einstein had his theories, but

Oppenheimer was like, I have to make them.

: 1376

00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:18,710

You know, the physics in America

important again, you know what I mean?

: 1377

00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:23,170

Like he, he almost saw himself as

the counterpart to Heisenberg that he

: 1378

00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:24,890

had to be the Heisenberg of America.

: 1379

00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:25,300

Yeah.

: 1380

00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:25,780

Right.

: 1381

00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:27,160

Where everybody in the country would turn.

: 1382

00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:27,770

Chris: It is funny.

: 1383

00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:31,030

I remember that scene where he put

his hat on and I totally see it now.

: 1384

00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:35,790

I didn't, I didn't get that link,

you know, when I first saw it, but.

: 1385

00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:43,360

I can't, can't help but wonder, was that

not only a, like a nod to Breaking Bad,

: 1386

00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:50,340

but it could be interpreted as when Walter

White put that on and became Heisenberg,

: 1387

00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:57,175

I mean, well, yeah, so is he saying that

Is he equating that some of the morality

: 1388

00:57:57,175 --> 00:58:00,435

of Heisenberg is, is, is on his head too?

: 1389

00:58:00,585 --> 00:58:03,405

Jerome: You're way, you're,

we're with me on this.

: 1390

00:58:03,485 --> 00:58:06,416

I have something at the end

when we get to the beats.

: 1391

00:58:06,416 --> 00:58:07,718

Okay, okay, good, good, good.

: 1392

00:58:07,718 --> 00:58:09,540

On where, on where this is going.

: 1393

00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:09,800

Alright.

: 1394

00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:10,321

I'm so

: 1395

00:58:10,321 --> 00:58:12,925

proud of you, you're starting

to pick up spiritual goals.

: 1396

00:58:12,925 --> 00:58:13,245

Alright.

: 1397

00:58:14,095 --> 00:58:14,505

Let's go.

: 1398

00:58:14,535 --> 00:58:16,595

We have the beats.

: 1399

00:58:17,255 --> 00:58:18,175

Opening image.

: 1400

00:58:18,445 --> 00:58:22,145

Oppie, by the way, this is one of

the best examples of opening and

: 1401

00:58:22,145 --> 00:58:23,865

closing images bookending each other.

: 1402

00:58:24,785 --> 00:58:28,265

Opening image, Oppie watches the

raindrops land on puddles, right?

: 1403

00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:30,760

And you know what he's looking at, right?

: 1404

00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:34,560

That's what it looks like when nuclear

bombs are dropping on different cities.

: 1405

00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:39,670

The raindrops hitting puddles is gonna

happen several times in the movie.

: 1406

00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:41,360

Even when there's no rain!

: 1407

00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,670

There's a scene where he's looking

at the map and he's just sort

: 1408

00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:45,520

of envisioning it being water.

: 1409

00:58:45,630 --> 00:58:46,190

Yeah, yeah.

: 1410

00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,630

And on the cities, the

raindrops are hitting.

: 1411

00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:49,260

Right?

: 1412

00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:51,240

It's symbolism, obviously,

for nuclear war.

: 1413

00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,180

And it's such a perfect, because of the

bookend that happens later at the end.

: 1414

00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,280

I also noted, The theme is, while the

theme will be presented at the six

: 1415

00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:06,970

minute mark, this might be the only time

I remember that a theme's ideology is

: 1416

00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:08,560

put right in the front of the script.

: 1417

00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:09,840

On the title card.

: 1418

00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,230

Before the title of the movie,

all you see is fire, right?

: 1419

00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:20,000

And the title card comes up that

says, quote, Prometheus stole fire

: 1420

00:59:20,020 --> 00:59:21,640

from the gods and gave it to man.

: 1421

00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,060

For this, he was chained to a

rock and tortured for eternity.

: 1422

00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:25,550

Yeah.

: 1423

00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:29,140

Is that not fucking Oppenheimer's theme

throughout the whole fucking movie?

: 1424

00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,010

That no matter what I do,

they're coming after me.

: 1425

00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:32,280

Yeah.

: 1426

00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:35,520

I put, that's about as close to

a theme as you can get without

: 1427

00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,690

it actually being the theme.

: 1428

00:59:36,940 --> 00:59:39,020

The real theme comes six minutes in.

: 1429

00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:41,970

Oppy meets Niels Bohr, who's

played by Kenneth Branagh.

: 1430

00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:45,620

Niels tells Oppy, quote, You can

lift the stone without being ready

: 1431

00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:46,920

for the snake that's revealed.

: 1432

00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:47,570

Hmm.

: 1433

00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,620

That's his theme.

: 1434

00:59:48,740 --> 00:59:51,360

It's basically the same thing

as what I just read, right?

: 1435

00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:56,260

About, no matter how, how high you

go, no matter what you achieve,

: 1436

00:59:56,685 --> 01:00:00,315

There's going to be the serpents

that come for you after, right?

: 1437

01:00:00,995 --> 01:00:03,595

It's, it's very telling no matter

the success of snakes, we'll

: 1438

01:00:03,595 --> 01:00:07,445

always try to get them still in the

setup mode of a lengthy first act.

: 1439

01:00:07,505 --> 01:00:10,495

Remember it's a three hour

film, a lengthy first act.

: 1440

01:00:10,505 --> 01:00:16,035

We jump from lateral timeline to

future, which in still in color, but

: 1441

01:00:16,035 --> 01:00:20,685

it's Oppenheimer's security clearance

deposition while he's applying to

: 1442

01:00:20,685 --> 01:00:22,305

get his security clearance continued.

: 1443

01:00:22,790 --> 01:00:26,610

And the black and white future, which

actually takes place five years after

: 1444

01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:31,010

the security clearance deposition,

which is mostly of Senator Louis

: 1445

01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:35,970

Strauss, played by Robert Downey

Jr., telling his side of the story.

: 1446

01:00:36,260 --> 01:00:37,420

So here's a little interesting thing.

: 1447

01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:39,050

Remember I told you I

write the scenes down?

: 1448

01:00:40,020 --> 01:00:44,790

When I did the scene breakdown for

this film, I went, my daughter's Vivi,

: 1449

01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,320

who's seven, I went into her arts and

crafts thing that we got her, and I

: 1450

01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:53,390

found a pen that has, remember the

old pens we used to use in high school

: 1451

01:00:53,390 --> 01:00:54,560

that had like the different colors?

: 1452

01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,780

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1453

01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:56,590

She has one of those.

: 1454

01:00:57,380 --> 01:01:00,850

I used it, and everything in

black was lateral storytelling.

: 1455

01:01:00,850 --> 01:01:04,383

Anything that was in red Okay.

: 1456

01:01:04,383 --> 01:01:06,150

Was the future.

: 1457

01:01:06,290 --> 01:01:07,770

In color deposition.

: 1458

01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:12,290

Anything in purple was the future

black and white Robert Downey Jr.

: 1459

01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:12,730

story.

: 1460

01:01:13,180 --> 01:01:17,250

So I did that so that I could keep

track of how, you know, how it laid out.

: 1461

01:01:17,290 --> 01:01:17,500

Right.

: 1462

01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,170

And I'm glad I did because when you

look at it from a whole, just flipping

: 1463

01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:24,360

the pages, by the way, I showed V, I

was like, normally when I do a scene

: 1464

01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,590

breakdown, it's a page and a half.

: 1465

01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:28,760

Oppenheimer's like four

pages long of scenes.

: 1466

01:01:29,140 --> 01:01:31,390

Because remember I said they're

quick, they're quick scenes,

: 1467

01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,280

so there's a lot of them.

: 1468

01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,310

So, but there's a lot of them,

and they're all different colors.

: 1469

01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:37,850

Like it looks kinda cool on the

page, I'll have to text it to you.

: 1470

01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,240

But anyway, alright, so Couple of

interesting moments, specifically at

: 1471

01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,770

the 22 minute mark When he meets and

starts his affair with Jean Tatlock

: 1472

01:01:45,070 --> 01:01:50,420

Played by my favorite Florence Pugh

There's a line of dialogue, And now I've

: 1473

01:01:50,420 --> 01:01:52,530

become Death, the destroyer of worlds.

: 1474

01:01:52,835 --> 01:01:54,815

This, of course, is Oppy's biggest fear.

: 1475

01:01:55,405 --> 01:02:00,975

One interesting note, if there is

a flaw in the script at all, I will

: 1476

01:02:00,995 --> 01:02:06,925

concede that it's the cutaways To the

security clearance deposition scenes.

: 1477

01:02:08,105 --> 01:02:11,955

They serve to tell the exposition

without having to show it in the

: 1478

01:02:11,955 --> 01:02:13,655

scene of it happening in real time.

: 1479

01:02:14,265 --> 01:02:17,985

The problem with that is that

they're still just talking.

: 1480

01:02:18,165 --> 01:02:18,485

Yeah.

: 1481

01:02:18,545 --> 01:02:21,545

So they're masking

exposition with exposition.

: 1482

01:02:22,325 --> 01:02:24,985

So, kind of counterproductive.

: 1483

01:02:25,075 --> 01:02:29,895

But but I still think, here's how I,

why I justified that it still worked.

: 1484

01:02:30,305 --> 01:02:34,235

Was that it gave him a chance to tell

the audience what he was thinking.

: 1485

01:02:34,455 --> 01:02:36,465

Or what the board was thinking, right?

: 1486

01:02:36,605 --> 01:02:39,375

Like, in a scene, he might be

doing one of those stare offs

: 1487

01:02:39,375 --> 01:02:40,665

that you complained about.

: 1488

01:02:41,365 --> 01:02:41,645

Right?

: 1489

01:02:41,845 --> 01:02:42,765

He will do a stare off.

: 1490

01:02:42,785 --> 01:02:45,865

But then in a deposition, he'll be

like, My biggest fear was this or that.

: 1491

01:02:45,865 --> 01:02:46,215

You know what I mean?

: 1492

01:02:46,215 --> 01:02:47,915

Like, he's telling you

what he was thinking.

: 1493

01:02:48,795 --> 01:02:52,175

So, it's exposition, but it's

masked by more exposition.

: 1494

01:02:52,745 --> 01:02:53,035

Okay.

: 1495

01:02:53,055 --> 01:02:53,755

Inciting incident.

: 1496

01:02:53,845 --> 01:02:54,805

28 minutes in.

: 1497

01:02:54,815 --> 01:02:58,145

The first mention that a bomb could

be made from their physics findings.

: 1498

01:02:58,635 --> 01:03:00,875

The fact that they were, you know,

talking about the atom and they were

: 1499

01:03:00,875 --> 01:03:05,295

discussing the atom at 28 minute

markers where they first say You

: 1500

01:03:05,295 --> 01:03:06,665

could make, or wait, what was it?

: 1501

01:03:06,675 --> 01:03:10,165

One of them says to Oppenheimer,

well, you know what that means, right?

: 1502

01:03:10,165 --> 01:03:11,315

And he's like, yeah, we can make a bomb.

: 1503

01:03:11,695 --> 01:03:16,185

Like, that's the first, that's the

first mention is 28 minutes in, but this

: 1504

01:03:16,215 --> 01:03:18,835

isn't enough to propel us into act two.

: 1505

01:03:19,355 --> 01:03:20,615

This is just the inciting incident.

: 1506

01:03:20,725 --> 01:03:21,475

B story.

: 1507

01:03:22,260 --> 01:03:25,370

Chris, about what time

does the B Story come in?

: 1508

01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:27,690

Chris: 30 minutes in.

: 1509

01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:30,120

Jerome: 31 minute mark!

: 1510

01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:34,900

Oppie meets Kitty, his future

wife, at Richard's party.

: 1511

01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,130

He'll eventually marry her, and

Kitty serves as the B Story because

: 1512

01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:40,910

she's the one that's going to

help Oppie to his spiritual goal.

: 1513

01:03:41,565 --> 01:03:44,515

Catalyst at the 43 minute mark,

which is practically right

: 1514

01:03:44,515 --> 01:03:45,795

on for a three hour movie.

: 1515

01:03:45,795 --> 01:03:48,815

It's a little late in normal

films, but for a three hour film,

: 1516

01:03:48,815 --> 01:03:50,875

43 minute mark Catalyst is fine.

: 1517

01:03:51,175 --> 01:03:55,005

It's intro to Lieutenant Groves,

played by Matt Damon, and his

: 1518

01:03:55,005 --> 01:03:56,705

plan for the Manhattan Project.

: 1519

01:03:57,015 --> 01:03:57,595

Boom.

: 1520

01:03:57,915 --> 01:03:58,575

This is it.

: 1521

01:03:58,810 --> 01:04:00,340

It catapults us into Act 2.

: 1522

01:04:00,820 --> 01:04:03,040

Break into 2, the creation of Los Alamos.

: 1523

01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,220

This is a city out in the

desert that they built.

: 1524

01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,740

We are now in the mirror flip of Act 1.

: 1525

01:04:07,770 --> 01:04:10,820

Oppy and his companions are in the

upside down world now as they are

: 1526

01:04:10,820 --> 01:04:14,930

sort of like separated from society

in this little town that they've built

: 1527

01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:17,200

with one purpose and one purpose only.

: 1528

01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:18,290

To make the bomb.

: 1529

01:04:18,529 --> 01:04:20,690

The Manhattan Project is on its way.

: 1530

01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:21,750

Fun and games.

: 1531

01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:24,390

Montage of trailer moments

as we deliver on the premise.

: 1532

01:04:25,290 --> 01:04:28,180

In this segment we see Oppie put

the hat on for the first time.

: 1533

01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:28,380

Yep.

: 1534

01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:29,450

I wrote that on there.

: 1535

01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,120

I even put on here almost like an

homage to Walter White in Breaking Bad.

: 1536

01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,360

Also in this segment we meet

some of the other key players.

: 1537

01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,279

Teller, Fuchs, and his relationship with

Chevalier, his friend, and the hint that

: 1538

01:04:41,279 --> 01:04:42,770

they might want him to commit treason.

: 1539

01:04:43,210 --> 01:04:47,540

There's a scene with the big glass bowl

that they have to fill up with marbles.

: 1540

01:04:47,950 --> 01:04:50,200

This is an interesting

technique that Nolan does here.

: 1541

01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:53,850

This is what's called the,

the, the ticking clock, right?

: 1542

01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,520

In some movies where there's time

as a factor, they might say, you

: 1543

01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,110

know, like, we got 48 hours left to

save the girl, you know what I mean?

: 1544

01:05:01,110 --> 01:05:02,240

Like, commando, right?

: 1545

01:05:02,279 --> 01:05:03,930

He's, the flight is 11 hours.

: 1546

01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:07,610

So Schwarzenegger has 11 hours to go

find his daughter before they kill her.

: 1547

01:05:08,435 --> 01:05:10,375

Most films will have an

obvious ticking clock.

: 1548

01:05:10,395 --> 01:05:11,565

This one's very clever.

: 1549

01:05:11,825 --> 01:05:13,605

It's a big glass bowl.

: 1550

01:05:14,055 --> 01:05:16,925

And when they start at Los Alamos,

he throws in like three marbles.

: 1551

01:05:16,925 --> 01:05:18,375

He's like, that's all we have right now.

: 1552

01:05:19,375 --> 01:05:21,795

So you know as the movie

goes on, they use that.

: 1553

01:05:22,225 --> 01:05:25,205

To show the audience how close they're

getting to completing the bomb.

: 1554

01:05:25,575 --> 01:05:27,735

The fuller that bowl gets, right?

: 1555

01:05:27,745 --> 01:05:28,605

That bowl gets.

: 1556

01:05:28,745 --> 01:05:30,154

You know that they're close to getting it.

: 1557

01:05:30,415 --> 01:05:33,445

Very clever technique by

Nolan for a ticking clock.

: 1558

01:05:33,945 --> 01:05:35,625

A lot more development fleshed out here.

: 1559

01:05:35,665 --> 01:05:39,095

Oppie goes to Chicago to meet

with physicists Szilard and Fermi.

: 1560

01:05:39,595 --> 01:05:41,955

Also meets David Hill,

played by Rami Malek.

: 1561

01:05:42,225 --> 01:05:42,475

Yeah.

: 1562

01:05:42,535 --> 01:05:44,095

From Bohemian Rhapsody fame.

: 1563

01:05:44,615 --> 01:05:47,565

Well, and many other things, but

you know, Bohemian Rhapsody is

: 1564

01:05:48,135 --> 01:05:49,265

one of my favorite films of his.

: 1565

01:05:49,685 --> 01:05:52,185

And he's gonna be huge later, so

that's where he gets introduced.

: 1566

01:05:52,505 --> 01:05:55,735

While briefing Groves at Los Alamos,

Oppie says, quote, Hard to put a

: 1567

01:05:55,735 --> 01:05:58,404

price on it, and Groves replies,

Not really, just add up the bills.

: 1568

01:05:58,945 --> 01:06:00,395

Chris: Yeah, right, I like that part.

: 1569

01:06:02,245 --> 01:06:05,535

Jerome: In one security clearance

deposition scene, Oppie tells, of

: 1570

01:06:05,535 --> 01:06:10,085

the last time he saw Gene Tetlock

and Kitty can't help but visually see

: 1571

01:06:10,085 --> 01:06:12,395

them having sex right in front of her.

: 1572

01:06:12,685 --> 01:06:17,575

Like, he's naked, in her eyes,

he's naked in the deposition, and

: 1573

01:06:17,575 --> 01:06:19,685

Gene's on him, like, straddling him.

: 1574

01:06:19,695 --> 01:06:20,775

Yeah, that was, like, shocking.

: 1575

01:06:20,775 --> 01:06:23,055

Staring at her, staring at her, right?

: 1576

01:06:23,055 --> 01:06:23,265

Right.

: 1577

01:06:23,265 --> 01:06:26,605

Like, so you know that that's

been burning in Kitty's brain.

: 1578

01:06:26,935 --> 01:06:27,255

Right.

: 1579

01:06:27,265 --> 01:06:27,955

For what?

: 1580

01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,290

At this point, how many years had gone by?

: 1581

01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:30,830

You know what I mean?

: 1582

01:06:30,830 --> 01:06:33,410

Like, she's still not

ever gonna let that go.

: 1583

01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:33,440

Yeah.

: 1584

01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:33,529

Yeah.

: 1585

01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:35,970

That he was cheating with Gene Datlock.

: 1586

01:06:36,910 --> 01:06:39,300

Midpoint scene, 1 hour 27 minutes in.

: 1587

01:06:39,310 --> 01:06:42,500

Almost exactly an hour and a half

into a 3 hour film, mind you.

: 1588

01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,410

Niles Bohr comes to visit to the Christmas

party at Los Alamos and tells Oppie

: 1589

01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:51,020

some important news that Heisenberg

had taken a wrong turn in his research.

: 1590

01:06:51,540 --> 01:06:54,270

And now that likely cost him months.

: 1591

01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,840

of time in behind, and

Oppie says we're now ahead.

: 1592

01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:00,820

Remember, up until this moment,

they'd been behind the Germans.

: 1593

01:07:01,340 --> 01:07:03,800

Oppie even says earlier, I keep

calling him Oppie, because that's

: 1594

01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,590

what they call him in the movie.

: 1595

01:07:04,610 --> 01:07:05,210

Right, right.

: 1596

01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:05,700

Just, yeah.

: 1597

01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:10,650

So, earlier, Oppie said, like, they have

a two year head start on us, or a six

: 1598

01:07:10,650 --> 01:07:13,380

month head start on us, or whatever, like,

they're still six months ahead, they're

: 1599

01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:14,620

still three months ahead, whatever.

: 1600

01:07:14,980 --> 01:07:17,160

At this point, It's a false victory.

: 1601

01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,070

It seems like a victory.

: 1602

01:07:18,810 --> 01:07:21,370

He's like, oh my god, we're ahead now.

: 1603

01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:22,000

They're behind.

: 1604

01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:23,430

It's gonna take them months to catch up.

: 1605

01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,840

Where we're at, we're

gonna finish before them.

: 1606

01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:26,890

Huge.

: 1607

01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:27,460

Victory.

: 1608

01:07:27,475 --> 01:07:29,263

And why is it a false victory?

: 1609

01:07:29,263 --> 01:07:31,705

Cause we know in the second

half everything goes to shit.

: 1610

01:07:31,955 --> 01:07:32,705

As usual.

: 1611

01:07:33,395 --> 01:07:35,485

False victory.

: 1612

01:07:35,495 --> 01:07:36,645

Bad guys closing in.

: 1613

01:07:36,645 --> 01:07:41,085

What happens almost immediately at

the end of that scene where Niles Boer

: 1614

01:07:41,115 --> 01:07:45,445

comes to tell him that they're now ahead

because Heisenberg made a wrong turn.

: 1615

01:07:45,755 --> 01:07:46,785

How does that scene end?

: 1616

01:07:46,835 --> 01:07:47,375

Do you remember?

: 1617

01:07:47,775 --> 01:07:48,625

I can't remember.

: 1618

01:07:48,625 --> 01:07:49,135

Mr.

: 1619

01:07:49,135 --> 01:07:49,645

Dr.

: 1620

01:07:49,645 --> 01:07:52,025

Oppenheimer, you have a

call from San Francisco?

: 1621

01:07:53,885 --> 01:07:54,605

Gene's dead.

: 1622

01:07:56,115 --> 01:07:57,765

That ends that scene.

: 1623

01:07:57,765 --> 01:08:02,715

So talk about how quickly the bad guys

closing in happens after you, you reach

: 1624

01:08:02,715 --> 01:08:06,585

that false victory, that moment of

happiness, how fast it can turn to shit.

: 1625

01:08:06,975 --> 01:08:07,515

She's dead.

: 1626

01:08:08,035 --> 01:08:11,265

And there's a scene of

how she killed herself.

: 1627

01:08:11,925 --> 01:08:17,625

And as disputed by the way, in real life,

in the book and on Wikipedia, because

: 1628

01:08:17,625 --> 01:08:20,765

I looked it up, there is one shot.

: 1629

01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,760

That Nolan puts in there, of a

gloved hand holding her head down

: 1630

01:08:25,390 --> 01:08:28,810

to suggest that she was killed,

not suicide, that she was murdered.

: 1631

01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:32,399

Chris: Yeah, I noticed that, and it

was kind of confusing, because it was

: 1632

01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,130

looking like a suicide, and then all

of a sudden, it's like, what the heck?

: 1633

01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:36,479

Yeah,

: 1634

01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:37,250

Jerome: and it's just one shot.

: 1635

01:08:37,270 --> 01:08:39,050

He just throws one shot

in there of a hand.

: 1636

01:08:39,149 --> 01:08:39,410

Yeah.

: 1637

01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:44,120

And, and, you know, Oliver Stone

did the same thing in JFK with the

: 1638

01:08:44,130 --> 01:08:45,830

Joe Pesci's character death scene.

: 1639

01:08:46,604 --> 01:08:48,325

Where it's an obvious suicide, right?

: 1640

01:08:48,415 --> 01:08:51,955

But there's a shot where he's being chased

around his apartment and then held down

: 1641

01:08:51,955 --> 01:08:53,484

while he's forced to take these pills.

: 1642

01:08:53,865 --> 01:08:56,585

And you're like, oh fuck, so he

didn't kill himself, he was murdered.

: 1643

01:08:57,065 --> 01:08:59,865

They don't say that that's what

happened, they're just giving

: 1644

01:08:59,865 --> 01:09:01,505

a suggestion to the audience.

: 1645

01:09:02,085 --> 01:09:04,365

What if that's what really happened?

: 1646

01:09:04,575 --> 01:09:05,145

You know what I mean?

: 1647

01:09:05,545 --> 01:09:07,755

So much so, it's disputed,

like I said in the book.

: 1648

01:09:07,865 --> 01:09:08,745

They don't really know.

: 1649

01:09:08,745 --> 01:09:10,865

They think it's a suicide,

but nobody knows for sure.

: 1650

01:09:11,465 --> 01:09:14,645

So I put here, almost immediately at

the end of the scene, Oppy finds out

: 1651

01:09:14,645 --> 01:09:16,694

about Jean, the call from San Francisco.

: 1652

01:09:17,404 --> 01:09:19,015

While ruled a suicide,

it looks like death.

: 1653

01:09:19,075 --> 01:09:22,595

As Oppy is in despair, this is one of

my favorite moments, right after that

: 1654

01:09:22,595 --> 01:09:25,404

scene, he's out with Kitty's trying

to find him on the horse, right?

: 1655

01:09:25,415 --> 01:09:26,434

She's riding her horse to find him.

: 1656

01:09:27,005 --> 01:09:28,665

She finds him in complete despair.

: 1657

01:09:29,575 --> 01:09:34,024

She says a great line, as he's trying

to like, he's falling apart, she's

: 1658

01:09:34,024 --> 01:09:34,904

trying to hold him back together.

: 1659

01:09:34,925 --> 01:09:36,234

Again, Kitty's the B story.

: 1660

01:09:36,475 --> 01:09:39,005

She's serving as, you need to

fight, you need to pull yourself

: 1661

01:09:39,005 --> 01:09:42,234

together and, you know, pull

yourself up by your bootstraps, shit.

: 1662

01:09:42,245 --> 01:09:43,934

You know, that's her

throughout the whole movie.

: 1663

01:09:43,944 --> 01:09:44,315

Right, right.

: 1664

01:09:44,315 --> 01:09:45,135

That's her B story.

: 1665

01:09:45,365 --> 01:09:48,475

She grabs him and says, quote,

You don't get to commit the sin

: 1666

01:09:48,484 --> 01:09:51,135

and then have us all feel sorry

for you that it had consequences.

: 1667

01:09:51,444 --> 01:09:53,805

Yeah, and then she stands

another great line.

: 1668

01:09:53,965 --> 01:09:58,355

Yeah, this movie's littered with great

moments like that And then she stands

: 1669

01:09:58,355 --> 01:09:59,465

up and she's about to walk away.

: 1670

01:09:59,465 --> 01:10:01,835

She's like you need to pull yourself

together Like, you know what I mean?

: 1671

01:10:01,845 --> 01:10:03,645

Like get it together man.

: 1672

01:10:03,825 --> 01:10:07,305

Like move on Which to your point?

: 1673

01:10:07,665 --> 01:10:09,835

You wish he would have done that early.

: 1674

01:10:10,255 --> 01:10:11,635

Like, just move on.

: 1675

01:10:11,635 --> 01:10:12,275

Get on with it.

: 1676

01:10:12,495 --> 01:10:13,355

You know what you're doing.

: 1677

01:10:14,625 --> 01:10:16,855

Alright, more bad guys closing in moments.

: 1678

01:10:16,855 --> 01:10:19,415

Teller quits, though Oppie

talks him into staying.

: 1679

01:10:19,835 --> 01:10:21,255

The Borden introduction.

: 1680

01:10:21,255 --> 01:10:24,875

This is the guy that directly

sent to be sicked on Oppenheimer

: 1681

01:10:24,875 --> 01:10:26,125

to dig up dirt on him.

: 1682

01:10:26,715 --> 01:10:29,705

And it's in that scene that Oppie

sees the raindrops on the map.

: 1683

01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:31,760

Again, so it's like kind of revisiting.

: 1684

01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:36,260

Oppy stumbles upon a private meeting

ran by Lily Hornig that seems to

: 1685

01:10:36,270 --> 01:10:38,460

be against the bomb, anti bomb.

: 1686

01:10:38,460 --> 01:10:41,390

Where all of a sudden, remember he

just happened to see that flyer?

: 1687

01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:42,970

And he's like, what the hell is this?

: 1688

01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:45,260

So he goes to the meeting and it's

all these people that are like,

: 1689

01:10:45,260 --> 01:10:46,700

yes, we shouldn't do the bomb!

: 1690

01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:49,585

And he's like, The fuck we've been

doing here this whole time we're

: 1691

01:10:49,595 --> 01:10:53,145

building the bomb, but it's interesting

to note that they mentioned in that

: 1692

01:10:53,145 --> 01:10:58,025

scene Hitler had already killed himself

the war with germany was over right?

: 1693

01:10:58,045 --> 01:11:01,795

So they're saying we don't need it anymore

and he was adamant Like, no, no, no.

: 1694

01:11:01,805 --> 01:11:02,385

We still need it.

: 1695

01:11:02,385 --> 01:11:02,785

We still need it.

: 1696

01:11:02,815 --> 01:11:04,065

The Japs aren't gonna surrender.

: 1697

01:11:04,425 --> 01:11:06,215

The Japanese aren't gonna surrender.

: 1698

01:11:06,515 --> 01:11:07,934

They're gonna, you know, stay in this.

: 1699

01:11:07,934 --> 01:11:09,465

We need to still continue the war.

: 1700

01:11:09,555 --> 01:11:11,715

Or the, the, the building of the bomb.

: 1701

01:11:12,315 --> 01:11:16,275

Physicist Sillard from Chicago is

also now openly against the bomb.

: 1702

01:11:16,285 --> 01:11:17,735

These are all bad guys closing in.

: 1703

01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:22,110

Interesting structure that Nolan does

he interrupts the bad guys closing in

: 1704

01:11:22,150 --> 01:11:25,450

because there's like a meat of the bad

guys closing in and Then another meat

: 1705

01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:30,559

but smacked right dab in the middle

is actually some good stuff And that

: 1706

01:11:30,559 --> 01:11:32,640

is the ignition of the test bomb.

: 1707

01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,390

Yeah that whole scene, right?

: 1708

01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,900

It's interrupted by the positive

sequence test bomb ignition and

: 1709

01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:43,390

huge success Groves asks about the

possibility of Oppie's fears that the

: 1710

01:11:43,390 --> 01:11:47,730

atomic explosion would start a chain

reaction that sets fire to the entire

: 1711

01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:50,110

atmosphere and destroys the world.

: 1712

01:11:50,490 --> 01:11:52,870

And Oppie says, it's near zero.

: 1713

01:11:53,660 --> 01:11:54,570

Near zero.

: 1714

01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:55,510

Near zero.

: 1715

01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:58,550

And he says, what do you

want with a theory like this?

: 1716

01:11:58,930 --> 01:12:00,690

And he goes, well, zero would be nice.

: 1717

01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:03,780

Another great line.

: 1718

01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:04,840

Another great moment.

: 1719

01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,170

It doesn't happen, obviously.

: 1720

01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:08,840

The test bomb goes off without a hitch.

: 1721

01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:09,680

It's perfect.

: 1722

01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:12,280

They, of course, then take two bombs.

: 1723

01:12:12,650 --> 01:12:15,630

Follow which is, of course, the

Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs.

: 1724

01:12:15,670 --> 01:12:17,385

As Grove says, we do two.

: 1725

01:12:17,934 --> 01:12:18,555

This is a quote.

: 1726

01:12:18,765 --> 01:12:20,515

One, to show what we can do.

: 1727

01:12:20,565 --> 01:12:22,355

The other, to show we can

do whatever we want to.

: 1728

01:12:22,934 --> 01:12:25,345

The Japanese of course

surrender after those two bombs.

: 1729

01:12:26,205 --> 01:12:29,925

Conversation with Teller, Oppie

says, Once it's used, nuclear war,

: 1730

01:12:29,925 --> 01:12:32,425

perhaps all war, becomes unthinkable.

: 1731

01:12:32,695 --> 01:12:35,215

Teller replies, until

someone builds a bigger bomb.

: 1732

01:12:36,155 --> 01:12:37,205

Again, very telling.

: 1733

01:12:37,205 --> 01:12:40,925

Oppenheimer's almost naive at this point.

: 1734

01:12:41,345 --> 01:12:44,315

Cause he's almost like, I just

want to build the bomb, I want to

: 1735

01:12:44,325 --> 01:12:47,885

beat Heisenberg to it, but just

building it should be enough.

: 1736

01:12:48,785 --> 01:12:50,575

That all world war would end.

: 1737

01:12:50,815 --> 01:12:53,735

Because we would have the one

weapon that ends all wars, so who

: 1738

01:12:53,735 --> 01:12:54,765

would ever want to fight again?

: 1739

01:12:55,025 --> 01:13:00,075

Not realizing the naivete is that other

countries will then build their own bombs.

: 1740

01:13:00,325 --> 01:13:00,815

Right.

: 1741

01:13:01,095 --> 01:13:02,645

And it'll never end.

: 1742

01:13:02,655 --> 01:13:03,905

War will never end.

: 1743

01:13:03,915 --> 01:13:05,315

How naive can you be?

: 1744

01:13:05,335 --> 01:13:11,775

Okay, so now that that little happy moment

of the bomb was a success and we won the

: 1745

01:13:11,775 --> 01:13:13,725

war, Japanese have surrendered, is over.

: 1746

01:13:14,155 --> 01:13:15,875

Bad guys continue to close in.

: 1747

01:13:16,155 --> 01:13:19,095

A few more elements here as

we pick back up in there.

: 1748

01:13:19,455 --> 01:13:22,105

Oppie meets Truman, the

famous Truman scene.

: 1749

01:13:22,675 --> 01:13:23,895

It doesn't go well.

: 1750

01:13:26,505 --> 01:13:29,535

Oppie thinks the program should be

stopped now that they've got the bomb.

: 1751

01:13:29,535 --> 01:13:32,625

Of course, Truman wants to keep

going and he wants to actually

: 1752

01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,055

build the H bomb in addition to it.

: 1753

01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:38,330

And then of course there's the

whole blood on my hands scene,

: 1754

01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,630

he hands him a tissue, and says I

have twice the blood as you have.

: 1755

01:13:42,650 --> 01:13:45,490

One of the other key lines

here, which I think, actually

: 1756

01:13:45,490 --> 01:13:46,760

this line happens before that.

: 1757

01:13:47,210 --> 01:13:49,090

This is what starts to

rub Truman the wrong way.

: 1758

01:13:50,020 --> 01:13:52,840

Truman says I hear you're leaving Los

Alamos, what should we do with it?

: 1759

01:13:53,265 --> 01:13:55,215

Oppy replies, give it back to the Indians.

: 1760

01:13:56,195 --> 01:13:58,055

Truman did not like that answer at all.

: 1761

01:13:59,575 --> 01:13:59,985

Right.

: 1762

01:14:00,665 --> 01:14:03,815

And then of course the scene after

that, Strauss tells Oppy at that

: 1763

01:14:03,815 --> 01:14:07,615

wedding that Fuchs was the one that

was the Russian spy the whole time.

: 1764

01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:10,090

Delivering information back

to the Russians, right?

: 1765

01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:14,660

Which is another interesting

element to this whole story is

: 1766

01:14:14,660 --> 01:14:18,100

that their idea is that they want

to beat the Russians to the bomb.

: 1767

01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,610

The Russians were our allies at the

time, but they almost refused to

: 1768

01:14:22,620 --> 01:14:24,390

give information to the Russians.

: 1769

01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:26,570

The Russians were like, Hey

man, tell us what you got.

: 1770

01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:27,670

You know, we're in on this together.

: 1771

01:14:27,670 --> 01:14:31,920

And America was like,

you're our friend now.

: 1772

01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:32,420

Chris: Yeah.

: 1773

01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:35,870

They knew, I mean, they knew

who Stalin was, so he was,

: 1774

01:14:36,460 --> 01:14:38,309

he was an ally by necessity.

: 1775

01:14:39,835 --> 01:14:42,934

Jerome: Right, so they were,

they almost flat out refused

: 1776

01:14:43,595 --> 01:14:45,145

to let them in on anything.

: 1777

01:14:45,545 --> 01:14:50,085

And the fact that this Fuchs

physicist was a spy and was delivering

: 1778

01:14:50,085 --> 01:14:51,135

information to the Russians.

: 1779

01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:56,020

You know is a huge huge point which

leads of course to the all is lost

: 1780

01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:01,440

Api sees footage of hiroshima or

hiroshima Aftermath and is nauseated.

: 1781

01:15:01,450 --> 01:15:02,410

He can't even look at it.

: 1782

01:15:02,410 --> 01:15:03,300

Remember that scene where yeah,

: 1783

01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:04,170

Chris: and that's another scene.

: 1784

01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:07,370

I got angry I was like look at it, dude.

: 1785

01:15:07,390 --> 01:15:09,434

Look at it You need to look at it, man.

: 1786

01:15:09,455 --> 01:15:10,425

You gotta look at it.

: 1787

01:15:10,595 --> 01:15:11,705

Jerome: He starts to.

: 1788

01:15:11,745 --> 01:15:14,555

He watches the beginning of it,

but then he's just so thrown off.

: 1789

01:15:14,565 --> 01:15:15,625

Chris: Yeah, doesn't watch anymore.

: 1790

01:15:16,434 --> 01:15:19,405

Jerome: Meanwhile, Strauss feeds

the hit story to Time Magazine.

: 1791

01:15:19,405 --> 01:15:22,995

It was Strauss who hired

Borden to sick him on Oppie.

: 1792

01:15:23,275 --> 01:15:29,515

And at the 2 hour, 25 minute mark,

Strauss discrediting plan is shown in

: 1793

01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:34,375

lateral timeline, and it completely

destroys Oppenheimer's stature and legacy.

: 1794

01:15:34,595 --> 01:15:39,565

And as Strauss puts it, as quote,

Amateurs seek the sun, get eaten.

: 1795

01:15:39,855 --> 01:15:41,305

Power stays in the shadows.

: 1796

01:15:42,255 --> 01:15:44,885

Dark Night of the Soul, while it is

clear that the security clearance

: 1797

01:15:44,885 --> 01:15:49,655

deposition was rigged from the start,

Oppie perfectly plays the victim, Kitty,

: 1798

01:15:49,695 --> 01:15:53,155

ever so strongly delivering on her role

as the B story to deliver him to his

: 1799

01:15:53,165 --> 01:15:55,515

spiritual goal, keeps urging him to fight.

: 1800

01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:57,480

Break into three.

: 1801

01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:01,450

They decide to fight, and the rigged

security clearance deposition by hiring

: 1802

01:16:01,450 --> 01:16:05,930

one of the best lawyers to serve Oppie's

legacy, that's of course, five point

: 1803

01:16:05,930 --> 01:16:09,950

finale, starts off with that, gathering

the team, they hire the best lawyer,

: 1804

01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:13,100

and they get as many witnesses to speak

on their half, and they get several.

: 1805

01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:14,730

Execution of the plan.

: 1806

01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:19,280

Battling Roger Robb and the testimonies

during the deposition and calling

: 1807

01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,020

out when things appear rigged.

: 1808

01:16:21,190 --> 01:16:24,130

The defense attorney didn't get

documents ahead of time, right?

: 1809

01:16:24,130 --> 01:16:24,510

Right, right.

: 1810

01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:26,750

Like he kept saying, you guys

all have this, can I get a copy?

: 1811

01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:27,900

Oh, you can, it's classified.

: 1812

01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:29,140

Chris: Yeah, yeah.

: 1813

01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,470

Jerome: Like, how can I do

my job if you're not letting

: 1814

01:16:31,490 --> 01:16:32,410

me look at any of this shit?

: 1815

01:16:32,410 --> 01:16:33,240

Chris: Yeah, it was a sham.

: 1816

01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,010

Jerome: He can't object.

: 1817

01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:36,830

He can't strike things from the record.

: 1818

01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:39,390

I mean, he's completely powerless,

but they're still there.

: 1819

01:16:39,390 --> 01:16:40,200

They're still digging in.

: 1820

01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:40,960

They're still fighting.

: 1821

01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,360

High tower surprise.

: 1822

01:16:42,610 --> 01:16:44,280

The Borden deposition.

: 1823

01:16:44,460 --> 01:16:45,520

Oh my God.

: 1824

01:16:45,780 --> 01:16:49,980

He flat out calls Oppie a Russian

spy and a traitor to his country.

: 1825

01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:51,650

That is crippling.

: 1826

01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:55,830

Dig down deep, intercut with Strauss,

confront Strauss's confirmation hearing.

: 1827

01:16:56,190 --> 01:16:59,020

David Hill, Rami Malek

comes to save the day.

: 1828

01:16:59,660 --> 01:17:01,559

The physicists from Chicago just.

: 1829

01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,460

Barry Strauss at the Senate hearing.

: 1830

01:17:04,510 --> 01:17:05,260

Yeah, that was great.

: 1831

01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:07,130

Execution of the new plan.

: 1832

01:17:07,140 --> 01:17:10,950

Suddenly more battling back begins

with Vannevar Bush played by Matthew

: 1833

01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:13,559

Medin is testifying in Oppie's favor.

: 1834

01:17:13,570 --> 01:17:14,640

Chris: Isn't it Matthew Modine?

: 1835

01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:15,710

Jerome: What'd I say?

: 1836

01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:16,570

Chris: Medin.

: 1837

01:17:17,075 --> 01:17:18,125

Jerome: Modine, whatever.

: 1838

01:17:19,165 --> 01:17:20,625

Testifies against Strauss.

: 1839

01:17:20,985 --> 01:17:29,675

Teller and Groves both say that in, by

the current rules of the AEC that, which

: 1840

01:17:29,675 --> 01:17:33,890

is the Atomic Energy Commission, by

the way by those current standards that

: 1841

01:17:34,380 --> 01:17:39,700

Oppy probably wouldn't be cleared for

security, but they both go out of their

: 1842

01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:41,830

way to say he's not a traitor to America.

: 1843

01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:43,610

He loves America first.

: 1844

01:17:43,900 --> 01:17:44,150

Right.

: 1845

01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,590

So while they say that, Hey, under

oath or whatever, like, yeah,

: 1846

01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:50,600

by today's rules, he probably

wouldn't be cleared for clearance.

: 1847

01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:52,250

He's still not a traitor.

: 1848

01:17:52,270 --> 01:17:55,780

He's still an American and he should

be treated as an American hero.

: 1849

01:17:55,790 --> 01:17:59,110

Chris: Yeah, and they noted those

rules didn't exist when he was clear.

: 1850

01:17:59,110 --> 01:18:00,750

Jerome: Right, right, exactly.

: 1851

01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:05,390

Climax, right about the time David

Hills is metaphorically putting the

: 1852

01:18:05,390 --> 01:18:07,550

final nails in Strauss's coffin.

: 1853

01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,559

Actually, I wrote here, he's taking straws

out to the woodshed in the Senate hearing.

: 1854

01:18:11,660 --> 01:18:12,160

Right.

: 1855

01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,070

Kitty takes the stand in the deposition

and wipes the floor with Roger Robb.

: 1856

01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:20,580

While Oppie has ultimately denied

his security clearance, it is said

: 1857

01:18:20,590 --> 01:18:22,630

out loud by all the board members.

: 1858

01:18:23,335 --> 01:18:27,535

That they believe him to be an honorable

American and that he wasn't a traitor.

: 1859

01:18:28,175 --> 01:18:30,065

The next scene, Strauss

is denied his seat.

: 1860

01:18:30,725 --> 01:18:33,155

So, that's about a perfect

climax as you can get.

: 1861

01:18:33,175 --> 01:18:33,575

Right.

: 1862

01:18:33,605 --> 01:18:34,535

Resolution.

: 1863

01:18:34,585 --> 01:18:39,055

Oppie is eventually awarded his medal

and his legacy is restored in the later

: 1864

01:18:39,055 --> 01:18:40,545

years when they show him as an old man.

: 1865

01:18:41,555 --> 01:18:42,255

Great scene.

: 1866

01:18:42,315 --> 01:18:45,165

Kitty refuses to shake Teller's

hand when he puts it out to her.

: 1867

01:18:45,365 --> 01:18:45,385

Yeah.

: 1868

01:18:45,645 --> 01:18:49,775

Now, in the movie, he reaches his

hand out, she refuses to shake it.

: 1869

01:18:49,785 --> 01:18:51,135

He understands why.

: 1870

01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:53,150

And he just sort of walks away.

: 1871

01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:57,010

In the book, they said

factually that happened.

: 1872

01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:58,100

He went up to shake her hand.

: 1873

01:18:58,100 --> 01:18:58,990

She refused to shake his hand.

: 1874

01:18:58,990 --> 01:18:59,840

He started crying.

: 1875

01:19:00,530 --> 01:19:01,080

Wow.

: 1876

01:19:01,300 --> 01:19:01,880

I know.

: 1877

01:19:02,830 --> 01:19:03,059

Wow.

: 1878

01:19:03,059 --> 01:19:04,380

That's intense.

: 1879

01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:04,550

Wow.

: 1880

01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:05,990

The guilt.

: 1881

01:19:06,559 --> 01:19:06,950

Right?

: 1882

01:19:07,190 --> 01:19:07,809

Wow.

: 1883

01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:11,530

And of course the, the last thing

resolution, Oppie and Einstein.

: 1884

01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:13,100

What they were really talking about.

: 1885

01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:15,800

Strauss was so much into belief

that he was talking shit about him.

: 1886

01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:16,059

Right, right.

: 1887

01:19:16,059 --> 01:19:17,540

They weren't talking about Strauss at all.

: 1888

01:19:17,815 --> 01:19:19,415

Chris: Yeah, he was self consumed.

: 1889

01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:22,865

Jerome: Yeah they were setting up

the possibility of nuclear war.

: 1890

01:19:22,865 --> 01:19:25,684

If we build this, what

will come next, right?

: 1891

01:19:26,045 --> 01:19:30,945

And of course, that's the closing image,

where you've got the, the, what do you

: 1892

01:19:30,945 --> 01:19:34,155

call it, the vapor trails of all the

nuclear missiles that had dropped, which

: 1893

01:19:34,155 --> 01:19:38,184

is, goes inside with the opening image

of the raindrops falling on the map.

: 1894

01:19:38,265 --> 01:19:38,805

Yep, yep.

: 1895

01:19:38,845 --> 01:19:41,795

And, and that's how the movie

ends, bookending a perfect,

: 1896

01:19:42,085 --> 01:19:43,155

perfect closing image.

: 1897

01:19:43,335 --> 01:19:44,875

So again, like Midsommar,

that's Midsommar.

: 1898

01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:48,050

When I told you that story where

I was like cut to black, cut to

: 1899

01:19:48,050 --> 01:19:49,460

black, cut to black, cut to black.

: 1900

01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:54,090

Same thing here when I saw those vapor

trails and I remember the opening image.

: 1901

01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:55,300

I'm like, oh dude, just end it right here.

: 1902

01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:55,770

Just end it.

: 1903

01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:56,240

Just end it.

: 1904

01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:57,350

I just want to see Oppenheimer.

: 1905

01:19:57,500 --> 01:19:58,820

I don't want to see any title cards.

: 1906

01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:00,850

I don't want to see ten years later.

: 1907

01:20:00,850 --> 01:20:04,870

He died in 19 Don't tell me, just give me

just Get me directed by Christopher Nolan.

: 1908

01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:05,320

You know what I mean?

: 1909

01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:06,510

Like, and it happened.

: 1910

01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:09,850

And that's, that's when I walk out a

movie saying that's, that's, that's it.

: 1911

01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:10,990

That's my favorite movie of the year.

: 1912

01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,340

So character arc, Oppy's

tangible goal obviously was to

: 1913

01:20:14,340 --> 01:20:15,420

build a bomb for the Germans.

: 1914

01:20:15,420 --> 01:20:19,010

His spiritual goal was to fight for

his legacy, something he would never

: 1915

01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,860

thought he needed to do at the beginning.

: 1916

01:20:20,860 --> 01:20:20,950

Right?

: 1917

01:20:21,090 --> 01:20:21,250

Right.

: 1918

01:20:21,250 --> 01:20:21,420

Right.

: 1919

01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:24,550

He, by the way, remind, we kind

of buried the lead on that.

: 1920

01:20:24,559 --> 01:20:27,740

The whole movie, he's surprised

anyone's even coming after him.

: 1921

01:20:28,290 --> 01:20:30,730

He's like, do you know

what I've done for America?

: 1922

01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:31,090

Right.

: 1923

01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:31,559

Right.

: 1924

01:20:31,620 --> 01:20:31,890

Right.

: 1925

01:20:31,890 --> 01:20:31,960

Right.

: 1926

01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:36,280

Who cares if I fucked a communist

and was, had communist friends?

: 1927

01:20:36,290 --> 01:20:37,090

I mean, who cares?

: 1928

01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:38,110

I wasn't in the party.

: 1929

01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:41,330

He just couldn't understand

that that wasn't enough.

: 1930

01:20:41,380 --> 01:20:41,710

Right.

: 1931

01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:46,450

That politics in America at that time was,

no, no, no, no, but you knew communists.

: 1932

01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:47,800

That's bad enough.

: 1933

01:20:48,450 --> 01:20:51,500

You were fucking one behind your

wife's back for God's sakes.

: 1934

01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:53,330

Like, I mean, that was enough.

: 1935

01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:55,010

So okay.

: 1936

01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:58,420

So before we get to that end that you

were touching on I do want to put in one,

: 1937

01:20:58,450 --> 01:20:59,860

one other piece that I thought was funny.

: 1938

01:21:00,010 --> 01:21:00,210

Yeah.

: 1939

01:21:00,220 --> 01:21:01,520

That was in the end.

: 1940

01:21:02,105 --> 01:21:06,275

When they're trying to, the

lawyer is trying to combat their

: 1941

01:21:06,275 --> 01:21:07,635

witnesses with his witnesses.

: 1942

01:21:07,684 --> 01:21:07,875

Huh.

: 1943

01:21:07,915 --> 01:21:08,795

And they mention Dr.

: 1944

01:21:08,795 --> 01:21:09,285

Lawrence.

: 1945

01:21:09,575 --> 01:21:09,895

Dr.

: 1946

01:21:09,895 --> 01:21:12,495

Lawrence, who's played by Josh

Hartnett, by the way, was one of

: 1947

01:21:12,495 --> 01:21:14,205

his confidants throughout the movie.

: 1948

01:21:14,805 --> 01:21:17,675

But he realized he was going

to be testifying against him.

: 1949

01:21:18,255 --> 01:21:19,175

And he was like, why?

: 1950

01:21:19,175 --> 01:21:19,995

Why would he do that?

: 1951

01:21:20,035 --> 01:21:23,475

And the lawyer says, like,

I, I, I don't have it quoted.

: 1952

01:21:23,475 --> 01:21:24,355

I should have written this down.

: 1953

01:21:24,355 --> 01:21:28,105

But he says something along

the lines of, Well, he thinks

: 1954

01:21:28,115 --> 01:21:30,105

you were fucking Tolman's wife.

: 1955

01:21:30,770 --> 01:21:35,660

That's why he became depressed, died of a

broken heart, and he blames you for that.

: 1956

01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:40,700

And and Aki goes, well that's not

true and the lawyer goes, which part?

: 1957

01:21:40,730 --> 01:21:42,360

ANd Ami goes, he never found out.

: 1958

01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:48,410

Hahahahaha, Yeah So he was fucking

that woman, so you get the sense?

: 1959

01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:53,515

And goddamn dude he's married to Kitty

and he was fucking Gene Tatlock And

: 1960

01:21:53,515 --> 01:21:55,385

then he's fuckin some other guy's wife!

: 1961

01:21:55,385 --> 01:21:58,050

Like, like, like, Jesus, dude!

: 1962

01:21:58,050 --> 01:21:58,288

He

: 1963

01:21:58,288 --> 01:22:00,055

Chris: had a little Bill Clinton problem.

: 1964

01:22:00,575 --> 01:22:03,298

Jerome: Dude, he's packin a tree

trunk down there or somethin

: 1965

01:22:03,298 --> 01:22:04,391

Chris: God.

: 1966

01:22:04,391 --> 01:22:07,255

Jerome: Anyway, he's the Pete

Davidson of the physicist world.

: 1967

01:22:07,255 --> 01:22:07,765

Chris: Oh, God.

: 1968

01:22:09,865 --> 01:22:13,184

Jerome: Anyway, so, I thought

that, that little part was funny.

: 1969

01:22:13,335 --> 01:22:17,655

Because after he says that, the lawyer

kinda gets him a look like Oh no, it

: 1970

01:22:17,655 --> 01:22:20,934

wasn't the lawyer, it was the guy that

David Krumhals plays what's his name?

: 1971

01:22:20,985 --> 01:22:22,135

Fuck, I forget his name.

: 1972

01:22:22,385 --> 01:22:24,745

But it was one, Robbie, Robbie, it was Dr.

: 1973

01:22:24,745 --> 01:22:25,065

Robbie.

: 1974

01:22:25,265 --> 01:22:26,815

So, Robbie is the one that says it.

: 1975

01:22:27,215 --> 01:22:28,605

But it was just funny the way he said it.

: 1976

01:22:28,615 --> 01:22:30,735

He was like, oh, he believes

all of these things.

: 1977

01:22:30,735 --> 01:22:31,565

Well, that's not true.

: 1978

01:22:34,684 --> 01:22:35,215

Did you hear that?

: 1979

01:22:35,625 --> 01:22:35,905

Yeah.

: 1980

01:22:36,975 --> 01:22:37,665

At which part?

: 1981

01:22:37,665 --> 01:22:38,615

He's like, oh, just the one part.

: 1982

01:22:38,725 --> 01:22:39,505

Alright, so.

: 1983

01:22:43,315 --> 01:22:43,535

Wow.

: 1984

01:22:44,675 --> 01:22:46,175

I can't even get a word in here.

: 1985

01:22:46,505 --> 01:22:48,925

Chris: This could be a,

a White Claw commercial.

: 1986

01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:54,590

Jerome: I gotta keep up here.

: 1987

01:22:55,440 --> 01:23:00,130

Alright, so, so, here's the

part that you were touching on.

: 1988

01:23:00,140 --> 01:23:00,490

Yeah.

: 1989

01:23:00,490 --> 01:23:00,840

Go for it.

: 1990

01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,290

I put in the, in the arcs.

: 1991

01:23:03,470 --> 01:23:06,840

Here's another element to the

theme of the opening title card.

: 1992

01:23:06,930 --> 01:23:09,910

And the not, before the raindrops,

about the Prometheus thing.

: 1993

01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,210

Huh.

: 1994

01:23:11,190 --> 01:23:16,880

Was Oppie's real spiritual goal something

darker and more sinister than he thought?

: 1995

01:23:17,290 --> 01:23:22,335

That because of him We have the

capacity for nuclear war today, right?

: 1996

01:23:23,455 --> 01:23:27,115

I think he realizes this right before

the closing credits, where he gives off

: 1997

01:23:27,115 --> 01:23:28,825

one of those stares you hate so badly.

: 1998

01:23:28,875 --> 01:23:30,475

But he's got the tears in his eyes.

: 1999

01:23:31,105 --> 01:23:34,405

And that's when he starts to have

the images of the vapor trails of

: 2000

01:23:34,405 --> 01:23:35,805

the nuclear bombs and everything.

: 2001

01:23:35,905 --> 01:23:36,684

Right, right, right.

: 2002

01:23:36,785 --> 01:23:38,595

And the raindrops and all that comes back.

: 2003

01:23:39,125 --> 01:23:42,765

Was Oppie's spiritual goal

really not to survive?

: 2004

01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:50,170

Secure his legacy as an American hero,

but was it to be the angel of death?

: 2005

01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:55,470

Right the destroyer of worlds

as he said earlier in the movie.

: 2006

01:23:55,670 --> 01:23:58,070

Yeah, was that not his spiritual goal?

: 2007

01:23:58,070 --> 01:24:00,220

Is that not what Oppenheimer created?

: 2008

01:24:00,930 --> 01:24:04,450

You know, so something dark there when

you said about putting on the hat and he's

: 2009

01:24:04,450 --> 01:24:06,480

kind of channeling the evil sinisterness.

: 2010

01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:08,580

That was Eisenberg.

: 2011

01:24:08,850 --> 01:24:12,780

Chris: Yeah, and i'm glad i'm glad

that I don't feel like they tried to

: 2012

01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:16,980

candy coat history at all, showing

him with all his warts and flaws

: 2013

01:24:16,990 --> 01:24:19,800

and, you know, cheating on his wife.

: 2014

01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:20,630

Oh dude.

: 2015

01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:21,340

Jerome: Yeah.

: 2016

01:24:21,340 --> 01:24:24,740

In fact, the only admirable

thing you can say was that he

: 2017

01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:26,240

wanted to win world war two.

: 2018

01:24:27,210 --> 01:24:30,990

Everything else in this movie

is very much detrimental.

: 2019

01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,250

His communist eyes, like you

said, his affairs on his wife.

: 2020

01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:38,730

Like he wasn't a very easy

person to get along with.

: 2021

01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:40,990

He wasn't a very nice guy.

: 2022

01:24:41,260 --> 01:24:44,420

His friend, his only best friend in

the movie, Chevalier, he sells him

: 2023

01:24:44,559 --> 01:24:46,110

down the river later on in the movie.

: 2024

01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:49,260

Like, he's just, he wasn't a good guy.

: 2025

01:24:49,940 --> 01:24:52,640

He just did the most polarizing thing.

: 2026

01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:58,850

A, win World War II, but also

look where it got us to today.

: 2027

01:24:58,850 --> 01:25:03,660

I mean, it's again, could you say that

there's a nuclear program because of J.

: 2028

01:25:03,660 --> 01:25:05,460

Robert Oppenheimer, right?

: 2029

01:25:05,630 --> 01:25:05,970

Chris: Yeah.

: 2030

01:25:07,190 --> 01:25:07,450

Yep.

: 2031

01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:09,680

And I guess, and that's my biggest thing.

: 2032

01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:16,750

It's like, I, I kind of wonder how much

of his portrayed PTSD or, you know,

: 2033

01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:20,170

mental, Trauma was real like in real life.

: 2034

01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:22,220

Did the real man Oppenheimer?

: 2035

01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:25,750

Struggle to the extent

that this character did.

: 2036

01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:26,870

I don't know.

: 2037

01:25:26,910 --> 01:25:30,020

I don't know You know, I don't know

the history and and and all that

: 2038

01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,309

Jerome: I think he did only because from

what I read about the other things I told

: 2039

01:25:33,309 --> 01:25:37,280

you that were in the book Yeah, yeah that

Nolan tried to be as true as he could to

: 2040

01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:42,920

the struggle that this guy had realizing

that his ego to succeed as a physicist

: 2041

01:25:43,410 --> 01:25:47,350

was met harshly when he realized that

his invention killed 200, 000 people.

: 2042

01:25:47,550 --> 01:25:47,920

Yeah,

: 2043

01:25:47,980 --> 01:25:49,520

Chris: and potentially millions more.

: 2044

01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,830

Millions more, right.

: 2045

01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:50,900

Or billions more.

: 2046

01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:51,820

Yeah, yeah.

: 2047

01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:57,610

So, yeah, I mean, I, so I have, it was

hard for me to have any sympathy for,

: 2048

01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:59,880

for him, you know, for the character.

: 2049

01:26:00,420 --> 01:26:06,440

Because of what he did, you know, and,

and as you said, he, his character, he,

: 2050

01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,420

you know, he wasn't a likable person.

: 2051

01:26:08,420 --> 01:26:08,500

Mm hmm.

: 2052

01:26:08,740 --> 01:26:10,050

Very hard to get along with.

: 2053

01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,850

So, you know, as I saw him staring

off into space with PTSD, I was like,

: 2054

01:26:15,250 --> 01:26:16,900

Yeah, go, go see a therapist, buddy.

: 2055

01:26:16,980 --> 01:26:17,680

I don't, you know.

: 2056

01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,170

Jerome: But here's how beautifully

it was constructed by Nolan.

: 2057

01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:22,610

Why did we care?

: 2058

01:26:23,059 --> 01:26:27,420

We cared because Because he

constructed the Robert Downey Jr.

: 2059

01:26:27,420 --> 01:26:32,340

character to be such a villain that you

wanted to see that motherfucker lose.

: 2060

01:26:32,570 --> 01:26:34,690

Chris: Yeah, yeah, because

he totally set him up.

: 2061

01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:39,370

Totally set him up to be blacklisted.

: 2062

01:26:40,110 --> 01:26:40,820

Jerome: Absolutely.

: 2063

01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:45,076

So, that's kind of like those

movies where your hero is flawed.

: 2064

01:26:45,355 --> 01:26:47,425

You gotta make the villain

even more unlikable.

: 2065

01:26:47,505 --> 01:26:50,795

Chris: And we should say, like,

the, the, at least in the movie,

: 2066

01:26:50,815 --> 01:26:56,785

the portrayed reason why he was

trying to blacklist him was pretty

: 2067

01:26:56,785 --> 01:26:59,985

much because he was anti nuclear.

: 2068

01:26:59,985 --> 01:27:05,925

Like, he was trying to call for more

control or, you know, the world to

: 2069

01:27:05,925 --> 01:27:10,915

come around the idea of, you know,

anti proliferation of nuclear weapons.

: 2070

01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:15,330

Jerome: But they hint that it's that it

was way weaker and pettier than that.

: 2071

01:27:15,500 --> 01:27:19,440

It was that he embarrassed

them at the AEC hearing.

: 2072

01:27:19,930 --> 01:27:21,590

That's why he held a grudge.

: 2073

01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:23,910

Like think about that, how petty that is.

: 2074

01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,610

Chris: Well, I think, yeah, maybe it was

that, that was, that was his said motive.

: 2075

01:27:27,620 --> 01:27:31,250

That was like, that was what he

could, he could point to that.

: 2076

01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:37,410

Yeah, because he was vocal with his

socialist views and, and ideas for,

: 2077

01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,710

Jerome: But what did Oppenheimer say in

the hearing that really pissed him off?

: 2078

01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:41,630

He was sitting in the back.

: 2079

01:27:41,670 --> 01:27:44,460

Remember, he was sitting in the back

and he said something about a sandwich

: 2080

01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:45,630

is more productive or something.

: 2081

01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:47,900

Chris: Yeah.

: 2082

01:27:48,130 --> 01:27:50,110

Jerome: He said something like, I'd

rather take a sandwich, you can get

: 2083

01:27:50,110 --> 01:27:51,200

more out of it or something like that.

: 2084

01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:52,020

Talking about straws.

: 2085

01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:52,470

Yeah.

: 2086

01:27:52,535 --> 01:27:56,455

And everybody laughs, and he was

completely humiliated, and it

: 2087

01:27:56,455 --> 01:27:59,345

was like, that was his motivation

to bury this guy's legacy.

: 2088

01:27:59,345 --> 01:28:00,695

Chris: Yeah, his ego

couldn't handle it, right?

: 2089

01:28:00,695 --> 01:28:01,815

Jerome: Yeah, exactly.

: 2090

01:28:02,075 --> 01:28:03,865

But then again, neither

could Oppenheimer's ego.

: 2091

01:28:03,865 --> 01:28:07,395

He could have just played nice,

but he had to hammer Strauss and

: 2092

01:28:07,395 --> 01:28:08,915

embarrass him in front of everybody.

: 2093

01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:11,335

That's what you get, right?

: 2094

01:28:11,455 --> 01:28:11,725

Yep.

: 2095

01:28:11,865 --> 01:28:19,635

So, yeah, I mean, it's one of those where

you want to try to be truthful to real

: 2096

01:28:19,635 --> 01:28:25,035

life At the same time, you gotta, you

know With this, Walk the Line was very

: 2097

01:28:25,035 --> 01:28:29,005

similar, where the only way they would

do it is if they showed everything.

: 2098

01:28:29,475 --> 01:28:31,875

They showed that Homeboy

was a drunk, you know?

: 2099

01:28:32,005 --> 01:28:32,445

Yeah, yeah.

: 2100

01:28:32,515 --> 01:28:35,049

You know, that he was Addicted to drugs.

: 2101

01:28:35,049 --> 01:28:38,755

Addicted to drugs, he was a bastard

to live with, bastard to know.

: 2102

01:28:38,805 --> 01:28:39,635

Cheated on his wife.

: 2103

01:28:39,645 --> 01:28:41,075

Cheated on his wife, you know.

: 2104

01:28:41,395 --> 01:28:44,765

So, I think that's kind of one of

those things where if you're gonna

: 2105

01:28:44,775 --> 01:28:47,565

make yourself, if you're gonna,

if your lead is gonna be a flawed

: 2106

01:28:47,565 --> 01:28:50,105

hero, the villain has to be worse.

: 2107

01:28:50,655 --> 01:28:51,075

Chris: Yeah.

: 2108

01:28:51,145 --> 01:28:52,985

Well, and this is about real people.

: 2109

01:28:53,055 --> 01:28:57,305

So, you know, it's not a fictional

story where you get to make up your

: 2110

01:28:57,305 --> 01:28:59,255

characters to be heroes and everything.

: 2111

01:28:59,710 --> 01:29:02,330

Real people are flawed, you know?

: 2112

01:29:02,340 --> 01:29:02,880

Absolutely, absolutely.

: 2113

01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:09,090

And so I think he did a good job

trying to portray the, the various

: 2114

01:29:09,090 --> 01:29:11,020

dimensions of these real people.

: 2115

01:29:11,140 --> 01:29:11,550

You know?

: 2116

01:29:12,260 --> 01:29:12,610

So, yeah.

: 2117

01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:12,950

Jerome: Absolutely.

: 2118

01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:14,680

So a couple other points in trivia here.

: 2119

01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:18,930

The screenplay was actually

written in first person, which

: 2120

01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:21,200

is rare and almost never happens.

: 2121

01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:26,400

Screenplays are written very You know,

Chris comes in and grabs the glass of

: 2122

01:29:26,410 --> 01:29:29,930

water, and then the dialogue will be

Chris says, Oh, this water is good.

: 2123

01:29:29,950 --> 01:29:30,510

You know, whatever.

: 2124

01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:33,840

The screenplay for Oppenheim was

written, I walked into the room

: 2125

01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:34,950

and grabbed a glass of water.

: 2126

01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:36,100

Like, it was written first person.

: 2127

01:29:37,130 --> 01:29:39,360

Matt Damon said that when he

read the script, that's when he

: 2128

01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:40,670

realized he wanted to do the movie.

: 2129

01:29:40,670 --> 01:29:42,625

Because he had never seen it before.

: 2130

01:29:43,365 --> 01:29:43,725

Yeah.

: 2131

01:29:43,835 --> 01:29:48,585

In: 2022

clearance was posthumously reinstated.

: 2132

01:29:48,875 --> 01:29:51,275

He'd already been dead since: 1967

: 2133

01:29:52,955 --> 01:29:56,085

So why you're reinstating

his security clearance now,

: 2134

01:29:56,395 --> 01:29:58,335

but in: 2022

: 2135

01:29:58,555 --> 01:30:00,395

This is the sixth film.

: 2136

01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,640

That Cillian Murphy has worked

on with Christopher Nolan.

: 2137

01:30:04,450 --> 01:30:08,020

Following Batman Begins, The

Dark Knight, Inception, The

: 2138

01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:09,890

Dark Knight Rises, and Dunkirk.

: 2139

01:30:10,059 --> 01:30:12,880

However, this is the first of

those where he was the lead.

: 2140

01:30:14,170 --> 01:30:14,620

Yeah.

: 2141

01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:16,030

That's all I got.

: 2142

01:30:17,140 --> 01:30:18,820

Chris: I don't think I

have any more either.

: 2143

01:30:18,850 --> 01:30:19,190

Jerome: So.

: 2144

01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:19,900

I loved it, man.

: 2145

01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,230

I loved both of these films.

: 2146

01:30:21,230 --> 01:30:21,430

Yeah.

: 2147

01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:22,110

And I, said.

: 2148

01:30:22,110 --> 01:30:23,010

I'll watch it again,

: 2149

01:30:23,010 --> 01:30:23,730

Chris: I think.

: 2150

01:30:23,770 --> 01:30:25,090

But it's so long.

: 2151

01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:25,620

God.

: 2152

01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:30,915

Jerome: I, I just can't, I can't remember

if there ever was a year Where two films

: 2153

01:30:30,915 --> 01:30:32,925

just completely owned the box office.

: 2154

01:30:32,955 --> 01:30:36,225

Yeah, completely owned The Oscar

nominations were released on the

: 2155

01:30:36,225 --> 01:30:37,875

same day, had the same budget.

: 2156

01:30:38,545 --> 01:30:44,375

You know, one made $500 million more, but

it's not like one of 'em made nothing.

: 2157

01:30:44,405 --> 01:30:48,425

One of 'em made 957 million,

the other one made 1.4 billion.

: 2158

01:30:48,575 --> 01:30:53,795

Chris: You know, in hindsight, I'm

actually surprised Oppenheimer did as

: 2159

01:30:53,795 --> 01:30:57,385

well as it did, considering its length.

: 2160

01:30:57,835 --> 01:31:01,855

And, and how dialogue heavy,

and, and, I don't know.

: 2161

01:31:02,635 --> 01:31:04,855

Jerome: Well, the visuals are also good.

: 2162

01:31:04,995 --> 01:31:05,015

Yeah.

: 2163

01:31:05,025 --> 01:31:07,745

And I think people went to go see the

visuals, particularly on the IMAX.

: 2164

01:31:07,745 --> 01:31:11,155

But to your point, the reason

studios hate movies that long,

: 2165

01:31:11,845 --> 01:31:13,405

there's not as many screenings.

: 2166

01:31:13,475 --> 01:31:14,275

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 2167

01:31:14,335 --> 01:31:14,605

Right?

: 2168

01:31:14,605 --> 01:31:15,695

You can't make as much, normally.

: 2169

01:31:15,695 --> 01:31:16,505

Right, right.

: 2170

01:31:16,505 --> 01:31:19,675

And at daytime, you have

screenings normally start at what?

: 2171

01:31:19,675 --> 01:31:20,535

What's the matinee show?

: 2172

01:31:20,575 --> 01:31:21,255

11 AM?

: 2173

01:31:21,265 --> 01:31:21,355

Yeah,

: 2174

01:31:21,355 --> 01:31:24,155

Chris: every 90 minutes, get another

pack of people in there, right?

: 2175

01:31:24,155 --> 01:31:24,525

Jerome: Right, like, yeah.

: 2176

01:31:24,615 --> 01:31:28,530

Right, so when you have a long ass

movie It doesn't, you don't make

: 2177

01:31:28,530 --> 01:31:32,750

as much, so for, for Oppenheimer

at three hours to make 957 million

: 2178

01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:34,620

worldwide is pretty fucking impressive.

: 2179

01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:35,270

Chris: Yeah, it is.

: 2180

01:31:35,309 --> 01:31:37,230

100, yeah, 100 percent.

: 2181

01:31:38,309 --> 01:31:39,530

Alright, six degrees.

: 2182

01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,180

Jerome: Oh, I forgot we had a six degrees.

: 2183

01:31:42,620 --> 01:31:46,945

Chris: Yeah, I, For the listener,

I didn't think we were going to be

: 2184

01:31:46,945 --> 01:31:52,115

able to do this podcast today, but I

sent my brother a text just in case.

: 2185

01:31:52,955 --> 01:31:54,695

I, I threw a couple names at him.

: 2186

01:31:54,934 --> 01:31:58,405

Jerome: So again, for those of you that

want to know the character of my brother.

: 2187

01:31:59,075 --> 01:31:59,605

What?

: 2188

01:32:00,045 --> 01:32:00,805

What do you mean character?

: 2189

01:32:00,805 --> 01:32:02,041

This is what he does.

: 2190

01:32:02,041 --> 01:32:03,277

This is what he does.

: 2191

01:32:03,277 --> 01:32:04,915

He picks two people.

: 2192

01:32:05,115 --> 01:32:06,085

Now, let me just tell you.

: 2193

01:32:07,005 --> 01:32:09,915

The guy from Oppenheimer, which by

the way, we're not allowed to use

: 2194

01:32:09,915 --> 01:32:11,105

the movies that we're talking about.

: 2195

01:32:11,195 --> 01:32:11,405

Yeah.

: 2196

01:32:11,405 --> 01:32:11,605

Yeah.

: 2197

01:32:15,325 --> 01:32:16,865

Petrie Willink?

: 2198

01:32:17,485 --> 01:32:17,745

Yep.

: 2199

01:32:19,184 --> 01:32:20,645

Guess who he was in Oppenheimer?

: 2200

01:32:20,684 --> 01:32:22,595

He played Dutch student.

: 2201

01:32:24,375 --> 01:32:24,835

Wow.

: 2202

01:32:25,055 --> 01:32:25,415

Thanks.

: 2203

01:32:26,145 --> 01:32:29,695

Looking at his IMDB, it's

filled with TV shows.

: 2204

01:32:30,065 --> 01:32:33,085

I only found one feature that he was in.

: 2205

01:32:33,825 --> 01:32:36,645

And it was called The

Great Alaskan Race in: 2019

: 2206

01:32:36,655 --> 01:32:37,425

Never heard of it.

: 2207

01:32:38,345 --> 01:32:46,555

The other guy he picks is Oliver Hir , who

plays in Barbie get this businessman

: 2208

01:32:49,775 --> 01:32:53,555

If you look at his IMDB,

it's mostly television.

: 2209

01:32:53,615 --> 01:32:53,765

Yeah.

: 2210

01:32:53,825 --> 01:32:55,505

And video games.

: 2211

01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:57,815

The guy does voices for video games.

: 2212

01:32:58,085 --> 01:33:04,355

In fact, I could only find one

feature film for him, . And that was

: 2213

01:33:04,415 --> 01:33:07,595

film called The Baby Moon in: 2017

: 2214

01:33:08,580 --> 01:33:13,635

I only found, other than

Barbie and Oppenheimer.

: 2215

01:33:13,695 --> 01:33:13,995

Yeah.

: 2216

01:33:14,045 --> 01:33:16,715

These two people were in only one

other movie that I could find.

: 2217

01:33:18,105 --> 01:33:20,145

Chris: So that makes, that's

what makes it interesting though,

: 2218

01:33:20,184 --> 01:33:25,005

because as we say on every episode,

this isn't a stumped roam game.

: 2219

01:33:25,015 --> 01:33:29,675

We actually want to find out

if it's possible that we cannot

: 2220

01:33:29,675 --> 01:33:33,910

connect the Two actors within

six degrees, within six movies.

: 2221

01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:37,090

And you've been able to do it every time.

: 2222

01:33:37,090 --> 01:33:42,280

So in the last couple of episodes,

they've been pretty difficult.

: 2223

01:33:42,420 --> 01:33:43,670

Jerome: They've been

getting tougher and tougher.

: 2224

01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:46,570

Chris: So how'd we do?

: 2225

01:33:47,780 --> 01:33:50,460

Jerome: Got it in four.

: 2226

01:33:50,540 --> 01:33:50,980

Of course.

: 2227

01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:59,870

So Oliver Vacker, Vacker, was in the

baby moon: 2017

: 2228

01:34:00,309 --> 01:34:01,580

Who was in Alive?

: 2229

01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:02,780

Remember that?

: 2230

01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:03,180

Yeah.

: 2231

01:34:03,190 --> 01:34:05,750

That movie about the stranded

rugby, rugby players in the,

: 2232

01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,130

in the what was it, the Andes?

: 2233

01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,059

Chris: Yeah, didn't they eat, eat people?

: 2234

01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:09,990

Jerome: Yeah, they eat each other.

: 2235

01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:10,270

Yeah.

: 2236

01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:10,360

Yeah.

: 2237

01:34:12,059 --> 01:34:14,980

In that film was John Malkovich, who

not only did the narration, but he

: 2238

01:34:14,980 --> 01:34:19,730

also appears in it as, you know, they

visually show him giving the dialogue.

: 2239

01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:26,559

He was in Mulholland Falls in: 1996

with Treat Williams, who was in the

: 2240

01:34:26,559 --> 01:34:28,630

great, great, great Great Alaskan Race.

: 2241

01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:29,070

Wow.

: 2242

01:34:29,780 --> 01:34:32,290

: 2019

: 2243

01:34:32,510 --> 01:34:33,190

Willink?

: 2244

01:34:33,290 --> 01:34:33,900

Willink?

: 2245

01:34:34,139 --> 01:34:34,580

Willink.

: 2246

01:34:34,650 --> 01:34:35,360

Chris: It's four.

: 2247

01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,120

Jerome: So Babel Baby Moon, Alive.

: 2248

01:34:38,130 --> 01:34:38,520

That's crazy, man.

: 2249

01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,120

Maughan Falls, Great Alaskan Race.

: 2250

01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,340

And we can thank Treat

Williams for this one.

: 2251

01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:42,780

Yeah.

: 2252

01:34:43,719 --> 01:34:47,540

Because that guy, Petrie

Willink, I couldn't find shit

: 2253

01:34:47,559 --> 01:34:49,030

on him except that one movie.

: 2254

01:34:49,930 --> 01:34:51,680

And thank God Treat Williams was in it.

: 2255

01:34:52,740 --> 01:34:57,219

And because Oliver, his one moon,

his one movie, The Baby Moon,

: 2256

01:34:57,730 --> 01:35:01,430

Michael DiLorenzo was the only one

I really knew in, that was in it.

: 2257

01:35:01,590 --> 01:35:03,990

And he, other than Alive, I

don't know if you know, he

: 2258

01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:07,030

famously played PFC William T.

: 2259

01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:08,969

Santiago in A Few Good Men.

: 2260

01:35:09,150 --> 01:35:09,450

Okay.

: 2261

01:35:10,035 --> 01:35:11,795

So, I was gonna try to go there.

: 2262

01:35:11,795 --> 01:35:13,105

I'm like, shit, that gives me an out.

: 2263

01:35:13,115 --> 01:35:15,745

That's Jack, that's Demi

Moore, that's Tom Cruise.

: 2264

01:35:15,815 --> 01:35:16,055

Right.

: 2265

01:35:16,085 --> 01:35:16,925

Nothing.

: 2266

01:35:17,125 --> 01:35:18,005

Nothing.

: 2267

01:35:18,005 --> 01:35:18,975

I got dead ends.

: 2268

01:35:20,915 --> 01:35:21,155

Wow.

: 2269

01:35:21,165 --> 01:35:22,445

Thank God for a live.

: 2270

01:35:22,505 --> 01:35:22,955

Jeez.

: 2271

01:35:23,005 --> 01:35:23,635

That's fun.

: 2272

01:35:23,635 --> 01:35:27,755

Chris: So, yeah, the last one was fun

too, cause the last one that's available

: 2273

01:35:27,775 --> 01:35:29,205

now if you're listening to this.

: 2274

01:35:29,255 --> 01:35:30,215

It's not available yet.

: 2275

01:35:30,370 --> 01:35:34,160

As we record, but the last one,

you had two different actors on

: 2276

01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:38,840

two different continents that only

did a couple of movies each, right?

: 2277

01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:39,710

Yeah, and it wouldn't

: 2278

01:35:39,710 --> 01:35:41,350

Jerome: have been done if

I couldn't use one of them.

: 2279

01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:42,900

We had to break one of our own rules.

: 2280

01:35:42,930 --> 01:35:44,550

Yeah, but that was cool.

: 2281

01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:46,360

Chris: So listen to that

episode for that one.

: 2282

01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:47,100

That was, that was.

: 2283

01:35:48,505 --> 01:35:50,025

So, no, that's good, man.

: 2284

01:35:50,075 --> 01:35:51,475

Good, good good pair up.

: 2285

01:35:51,505 --> 01:35:52,085

It was fun.

: 2286

01:35:52,745 --> 01:35:53,005

Dude,

: 2287

01:35:53,365 --> 01:35:54,825

Jerome: I've been

looking for this episode.

: 2288

01:35:54,855 --> 01:35:57,485

I tell you what, I was looking

forward to this since I saw

: 2289

01:35:57,535 --> 01:35:59,485

Oppenheimer in the theater last July.

: 2290

01:35:59,955 --> 01:36:03,594

Like, I was like, oh, dude, we got

to break this one down eventually.

: 2291

01:36:03,875 --> 01:36:06,035

And I didn't know we'd

pair it with Barbie.

: 2292

01:36:06,565 --> 01:36:07,085

Yeah.

: 2293

01:36:07,655 --> 01:36:09,675

But, hey man, we took on two

of the heavy hitters, man.

: 2294

01:36:09,675 --> 01:36:11,655

This is Apollo versus Rocky right here.

: 2295

01:36:11,665 --> 01:36:12,045

Yeah.

: 2296

01:36:12,045 --> 01:36:13,305

These, these are the two biggies.

: 2297

01:36:13,325 --> 01:36:13,535

I mean,

: 2298

01:36:13,535 --> 01:36:16,155

Chris: we're trying to get through

them so that we can, you know,

: 2299

01:36:16,155 --> 01:36:20,245

at least go into Oscar night

having a few in the can, you know.

: 2300

01:36:20,545 --> 01:36:24,875

Jerome: Yeah, I think Killers of the

Flower Moon The Holdover, The Holdovers,

: 2301

01:36:25,264 --> 01:36:26,475

which is the Paul Giamatti one.

: 2302

01:36:26,475 --> 01:36:26,915

Yeah, yeah.

: 2303

01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,240

And maybe that, you said you

saw American Fiction, right?

: 2304

01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:30,639

Mm hmm.

: 2305

01:36:31,150 --> 01:36:32,090

See, I haven't seen it yet.

: 2306

01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:35,590

But I think we gotta throw a few of

those in there and we'll be ready.

: 2307

01:36:35,630 --> 01:36:36,280

We'll be ready.

: 2308

01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:36,580

Yep.

: 2309

01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:38,230

I haven't seen Maestro yet either.

: 2310

01:36:38,300 --> 01:36:39,090

Yeah, me neither.

: 2311

01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:40,770

It's on, it's streaming though.

: 2312

01:36:40,770 --> 01:36:41,680

I think it's on Netflix.

: 2313

01:36:41,690 --> 01:36:42,700

I think it's a Netflix movie.

: 2314

01:36:42,710 --> 01:36:43,410

Chris: I think you're right.

: 2315

01:36:44,059 --> 01:36:46,889

Jerome: Cause V, I think, was

watching it one, one night I

: 2316

01:36:46,889 --> 01:36:48,219

came in and she was watching it.

: 2317

01:36:48,350 --> 01:36:49,410

Again, she falls asleep.

: 2318

01:36:50,264 --> 01:36:50,915

Chris: Yeah, I know.

: 2319

01:36:50,945 --> 01:36:53,605

And I said I wanted to pair that

with Amadeus, but we're trying to

: 2320

01:36:53,605 --> 01:36:55,325

pair up Oscar nominated movies.

: 2321

01:36:55,325 --> 01:36:57,514

Jerome: Yeah, I say we just

pair them up with each other.

: 2322

01:36:57,514 --> 01:36:57,995

Yeah.

: 2323

01:36:58,014 --> 01:36:59,375

So we can get through them faster.

: 2324

01:36:59,495 --> 01:36:59,795

Yeah.

: 2325

01:36:59,815 --> 01:37:03,915

But yeah, I mean this yeah, so

far, I haven't seen them all,

: 2326

01:37:04,115 --> 01:37:06,125

but so far Oppenheimer is still

my favorite movie of the year.

: 2327

01:37:06,650 --> 01:37:08,610

I really liked Anatomy of the Fall, man.

: 2328

01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:11,610

But I really liked it more with my ending.

: 2329

01:37:11,650 --> 01:37:12,670

Yes, I know.

: 2330

01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:13,820

I gotta rewatch it now.

: 2331

01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:17,700

What, what I think happens at the

end, and then you go back and you

: 2332

01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:21,880

relive all that symbolism with the

dog, I, I like it more that way.

: 2333

01:37:21,889 --> 01:37:22,880

Yeah, yeah.

: 2334

01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,389

So but yeah, that one,

that one was really cool.

: 2335

01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:25,750

Yeah.

: 2336

01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:26,120

I really liked that one.

: 2337

01:37:26,130 --> 01:37:30,020

Chris: I gotta see it now to rewatch

it and see if it hits differently.

: 2338

01:37:30,620 --> 01:37:31,700

With that in mind.

: 2339

01:37:32,309 --> 01:37:33,350

Cause I bet you it will.

: 2340

01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:37,020

Jerome: And all those little

moments where she's looking.

: 2341

01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:39,350

Like I said, she's got the

look of both predator and prey.

: 2342

01:37:39,490 --> 01:37:39,889

Yeah.

: 2343

01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,860

There's times where I think

the director, Trie, makes you

: 2344

01:37:43,870 --> 01:37:46,290

think she's guilty as fuck, man.

: 2345

01:37:46,340 --> 01:37:47,080

Look at her eyes.

: 2346

01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,800

So, watch it again thinking she's

guilty and it'll blow your mind.

: 2347

01:37:52,995 --> 01:37:54,905

Cause I went into it

thinking she was guilty.

: 2348

01:37:56,375 --> 01:37:59,040

So when it got to the end, I

was like, yeah, she's guilty.

: 2349

01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:59,795

Guilty as fuck.

: 2350

01:38:03,365 --> 01:38:04,955

But anyway, alright,

let's land this plane.

: 2351

01:38:04,975 --> 01:38:06,255

Chris: Alright, this is a good one man.

: 2352

01:38:06,395 --> 01:38:09,295

So, hey, support your local cinema.

: 2353

01:38:09,405 --> 01:38:10,575

Jerome: Keep drinking and keep watching.

: 2354

01:38:10,805 --> 01:38:11,575

Chris: See you next time.

: 2355

01:38:11,755 --> 01:38:12,055

Jerome: Adios.