Episode 18

Oscar Talk & Hiatus Update

Update: Hiatus, Tech Troubles, and Oscar Snubs

In this special check-in episode, hosts Chris and Jerome Wiegand discuss their recent hiatus. They discuss upcoming changes, including experimenting with live recordings. The brothers share their frustrations as devoted Detroit Lions fans, reflecting on the team's disappointing end to an amazing season. They also talk about the 2025 Oscars nominations, highlighting significant snubs such as Ethan and Maya Hawke's 'Wildcat,' and revisit classic Oscar ceremonies from the 90s to discuss films that should have been nominated under the current rules. Pour yourself a drink and join the convivial conversation.


00:00 Welcome to Silver Screen Happy Hour

00:16 Technical Difficulties and Hiatus Update

00:55 Drinks of the Day

03:47 Lions Recap and Frustrations

03:55 Going Live: Challenges and Plans

13:08 Oscar Nominations and Snubs

26:32 Debating the Best Picture Nominees

27:04 The Case for Returning to Five Nominees

27:45 Revisiting Past Oscar Snubs

29:17 1991: The Fisher King, Thelma & Louise, and Boys in the Hood

32:33 1995: Braveheart, Apollo 13, and the Snubbed Classics

36:35 2007: A Perfect Year for Best Picture

37:56 2008: The Dark Knight Controversy

42:01 Reflecting on Oscar Wins and Snubs

46:10 Future Plans and Final Thoughts



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Transcript
Chris:

You're listening to the Silver Screen Happy Hour, I'm Chris

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Wiegand along with my brother Jerome.

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Jerome: Here to angry.

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Chris: He's starting to cut

out there so I don't know what

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that's going to sound like.

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Yeah we have been at this trying to

get his microphone working for some,

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I think there's demons in the tech and

sometimes they just like to screw with us.

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And, uh, so we finally got it going, but

we've been working at this for an hour?

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Yeah.

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An hour.

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And I, you know, it's because

he doesn't have a Mac.

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I keep telling him he needs a Mac.

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Jerome: Oh, that's the problem?

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Chris: Yeah.

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Yeah, 100%.

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I don't think that's the problem.

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So we wanted to give a little update today

on, uh, this hiatus that we've been on

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and talk about some Oscar nominations.

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Um, so yeah, we're not going to

do a regular show, we're just

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going to Check in with you.

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Jerome: Like a commercial, but

first, what are you drinking?

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Chris: Well, uh, I'm glad you asked.

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Uh Little, uh, limited edition

Grit City straight bourbon whiskey.

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Jerome: Ooh, with the Detroit

Lions logo on the front.

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Don't worry fans, our Lions recap is

part of our agenda today, but go ahead.

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You know what though,

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Chris: after my daughter Hannah

got this for me, we lost.

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Jerome: You know And I'm going to

tell you something about curses.

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Remember when I told you that

Hutch's injury was mom's fault

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because she got me that shirt?

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Yeah, I told you, man.

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Yeah, I told her all about that.

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I said, by the way, I

blamed you on our podcast.

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Um, all right.

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So I like the bottle.

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Yeah.

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I have a Glenn Livitt 14 here.

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All right.

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And I'm going to see if you can hear this.

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Hang on.

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I've been waiting all day for this.

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I should do a healthier

pour because I'm angry.

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Chris: Yeah, I suspect this will be

a shorter than usual episode, but we

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just wanted to check in with, uh, with

everybody and with each other because

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it's been a, it's been a rough season.

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I, at the beginning of the last episode

that we uploaded, I kind of said something

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about that on my end about, um, you

know, Just being super busy grandbabies

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and all that stuff and it's it's fun fun

season But it's just frustrating too that

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I can't get to the editing like I want.

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So we're gonna experiment And see if we

can't just start doing lives Yes You know

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Jerome: now full disclosure

to take some of the heat off

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my brother's shoulders here.

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I we also um For those of you

that remember last year, this room

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that I'm recording in was built.

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Well, the guy is still here.

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We're doing an addition on the house.

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So there's been a lot of renovations.

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So the girls have been like, we

moved their bed into our bedroom.

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So it's, it's like we're in summer camp.

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Getting dressed every day is a pain

in the ass, just doing everything

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every day is a pain in the ass.

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And there's always somebody here,

like, pounding on the walls and shit.

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Like, we're adding an addition on now,

so the renovation has been a problem.

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So there's been days where

I can't record either.

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I think at this point, is it

fair to say we're just gonna

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shitcan the December episode?

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Because we never did it.

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It was supposed

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Chris: to be I'll end up releasing it.

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No, no, no, no.

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Jerome: I mean the one

we haven't recorded.

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Oh yeah.

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That's that's long gone.

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We'll save that one for next December.

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Yeah.

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So that one's gone for anyone

that's now eager for next December.

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We were going to do the

ref versus home alone.

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Um, about, you know, dealing with

dysfunctional families at Christmas.

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That was really going to be fun, but

now sell that until Christmas:

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Um, so that explains the hiatus.

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Should we move on to lion's recap?

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Yeah.

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I mean, Oh, wait, wait.

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Before we get to that, you

started talking about going live.

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So what we want to do, folks, is because

the editing process takes so long, what

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we're gonna do, you'll have to bear

with us because the internet is forever.

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So if we say something, our intention is

to go live, and you know that we drink

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during these shows, you would not believe

what my brother has had to edit out.

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So this is real ballsy for us.

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To try to do these shows

live and then just the other

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Chris: issues are tech tech problems that

we seem to have every time we try to get

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on microphones and internet cutting out.

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I mean, the internet cutting

out is a big deal too.

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So we're going to see how that.

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We're just going to have to experiment.

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So we're just hoping you'll bear

with us and come along for the ride.

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It'll be fun.

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You know, we're

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Jerome: honestly good people.

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So if we say something really

offensive and there's no taking it

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back once it's live and on a podcast,

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Chris: you may hear a regular

apology, maybe at the beginning

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of every show for the last show.

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Jerome: Yeah.

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I think I'm going to need

a lawyer once we go live.

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Um, I, I have no doubt

I'll be canceled quickly.

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Um, so I'm going to try

to protect myself there.

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Um, but anyway, let's

move on to Lions recap.

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For those of you that don't

know, today is February 28th.

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Uh, the conference title games are over

and the Super Bowl is the next game, which

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is in two weeks, not even week and a half.

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Um, and we're not in it.

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Well, in

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Chris: my.

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I was, this is the first time I'm like

talking publicly about it because I've

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just been, it was so crushing watching

them lose the way they did at home.

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I was

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Jerome: pissed all weekend.

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I was mean to my kids and I regret it.

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Like Val, my sweet little seven year

old Val brought me something and

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said, Daddy's like, it's not working.

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And then she thought she was the

reason the Lions were losing.

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Well, now she's a true fan.

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Yeah, now she knows.

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She went to mom, she went to

her mommy, and she was crying.

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She's like, it's my fault they're

losing, and V's just looking at

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me like, staring daggers at me.

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You just tell her,

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Chris: it's, it's, it's good

that you learned it now.

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Yes,

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Jerome: yes, yes.

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Because that's the way we all are.

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If you're not sitting a certain way on

the chair every time It's the negativity

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that's causing the other team to win.

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So I gotta say

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Chris: though, something I'm angry

about though, and I absolutely believe

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this affected the lions in the way they

performed, the NFL should not allow.

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Anyone be interviewed for head

coaching jobs until the season's over?

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Yes.

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That was BS.

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Now those guys should have been focused

on one thing that week and they weren't.

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Jerome: Now for you, for, for those of

you that don't know, we, we did finish 15

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and two, we had a first round by, so in

the first week we were off, we were off.

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We didn't know who our opponent

was yet because the playoffs

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were going on without us in it.

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Um, our coaches were

interviewing with other people.

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Now, I will say that once the wild

card round was over and we knew

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who we were gonna get, they say

all interviews after that stopped.

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But still,

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Chris: their heads were, yeah, it's,

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Jerome: it's in your mind, right?

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If you're a coach and you're trying

to get a head coaching job into

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a new city, what do you agree?

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And even Bill Belichick said it, he agreed

you should wait till after the super bowl.

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Like there should be the reason, like

there's a non tampering date where you

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can't start fucking with free agents.

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You know, um, they

should do the same thing.

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They should do the same

thing with coaches.

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You can't start interviewing coaches

until like two days after the Super Bowl.

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Um, fine.

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Um, that affected us because it was

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Chris: both our offense and

defense and both, right.

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Both of those coaches are gone now.

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So

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Jerome: I will say that it

affected the offensive coach

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more than the defensive coach.

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I think you're right.

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And what I mean by that is we

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I'll let you finish.

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Um, uh, we, uh, had.

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So through the season, anyone that

hasn't been following the lions, just a

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plethora of defensive injuries, right?

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Like we've been running on three and

fourth stringers and guys off the practice

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squad guys on other teams, practice squad.

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At one point, I think the

Buffalo game that we gave up

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48 points to Buffalo at home.

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It was Josh Allen, but

we gave up 48 points.

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And the reason is because like, I think

they said three of the defensive starters

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weren't even on our team four days ago.

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Like it was, it was all like, it

was a complete shit show most of

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the year on defensive injuries.

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But we started to get some guys back.

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We looked really good.

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The last two games of the year against

San Francisco, and then clinching

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the number one seed by dismantling

Minnesota, that was a huge win.

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So we looked like we were getting

guys back, but here's what happened.

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We had one.

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Really good corner left.

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Uh, Carlton Davis was

out with that broken jaw.

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And Tyrion Arnold on the

other side is a rookie.

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I mean, he was doing okay.

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He's a lot better than he was

at the beginning of the year.

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But he was a rookie.

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Our last good corner, Amik

Robertson, who shut down Justin

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Jefferson in the Minnesota game.

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breaks his elbow on the first drive

when it was still nothing, nothing.

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And that was gruesome.

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And as he laid there with his arm bent

in a weird position, I looked at V and

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I was like, it's over like at that.

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And it was zero zero.

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Like I was so like, that's it.

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And, and, and true enough.

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Aaron Glenn, the defensive coordinator,

who's now the head coach of the Jets,

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he, he was kind of, uh, handcuffed

because he couldn't do, our safeties

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could no longer be blitzing.

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They could no longer do their game.

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They had to go now protect.

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The corners because the corner we

put in who was I believe covering

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Mclaurin at that point was some

guy I don't think I ever heard of

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yeah,

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Jerome: it was another one of these guys

That's like I've never played it down a

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football since peewee and like now they're

starting and and you know It's just

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Chris: and ever since then it's

just been more bad news cuz like so

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I'm like, all right Go Washington.

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I mean at least if they win.

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Jerome: We buried the lead the commanders

beat us in the divisional round So

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Chris: go Washington at least if they

win we you know, if they go on to the

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Super Bowl at least we lost to them And

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Jerome: yeah, it doesn't look as bad.

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Chris: Yeah, then they lost.

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Jerome: Yeah, then they lost and then

their asses kicked The Philadelphia Eagles

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and then I'm like, all right, go Buffalo.

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Chris: I don't want to see

Kansas City in it again

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Jerome: And now we have a Kansas

city and Philadelphia Superbowl.

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I don't even want to watch

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Chris: the Superbowl now.

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Jerome: And both our coordinators,

both our coordinators have

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left to coach other teams.

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The worst of the two was Ben Johnson

because the day after I was two days

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after we lost, it was on Monday.

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Our game was on Saturday

night, two days after we lost.

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He not only up and takes over the

head coaching job of the Chicago

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Bears, our rival, but he already had

half of his coaching staff lined up.

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He knew who he was taking.

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So that means to your point, he

already had that shit in his head.

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And by the way.

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And you know, he talked

to them before the game.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So all those guys knew.

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And here's the worst part.

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You could tell he coached a bad game.

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It was one of his worst coaching

jobs as far as play calls.

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Uh, since week two lost to Tampa at

home, it was that bad in that Tampa game.

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We only scored 16 points in this game.

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We scored 31.

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But Jesus, not without trying.

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I mean, his plays were terrible.

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At one point he had our receiver,

not our starting receiver, our backup

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receiver, who, by the way, has off field

problems and with his decision making

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they have him do an end around and then.

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Stop and throw the ball an interception.

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Of course he throws an interception.

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Now earlier in the game, they did the

same end around, but he kept it and

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he ran for like a 70 yard touchdown.

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So we know where his skill

set is and where it is not.

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It was just a very poorly coached

game by Ben Johnson, good riddance,

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I hope you, I hope, I hope, I hope

my buddy Mark isn't hearing this

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because he's a big Chicago fan, so I

hope he doesn't take it personally.

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I hope Ben Johnson sinks

the entire franchise.

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I, I hope, I hope the

Bears become the Raiders.

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And I don't mean like the Raiders, no,

the Raiders, the Raiders, pretty much

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the Raiders as we know them of now.

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Uh, or the Jets, either one.

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I wish good things for Aaron Glenn

because the Jets are in the AFC, so I

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don't care if they win, but the Bears,

I hope, and I heard today on a Lions

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podcast that Lions players have been

texting Dan Campbell for the last week

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saying, we cannot wait to play Chicago.

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We want to kick their dicks in the dirt.

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Like they want to beat Chicago so bad now.

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So funny.

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It's like now it's like

the fire has been lit.

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Ben Johnson.

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Be careful, careful what you wish for.

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Chris: Yeah.

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More

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Jerome: than you're going

to, you're going to get it.

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Chris: All right.

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We need to move on because most

people probably didn't even

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tune in to hear about the lions.

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Jerome: Yeah.

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So Oscar nominations were released

last Thursday and much to our

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dismay are, well, I'm not going to

say my favorite film of the year.

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I'm going to say one of our favorite

podcast on Ethan and Maya Hawks.

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Wildcat was shut out in

every category huge snub now.

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I'm not sure I I'm having trouble on

Qualification, I believe that they

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qualified for this year But if you look

if you look them up on IMDB, it still says

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2023 as a release date But I don't think

they met last year's Oscars qualifications

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I think because it was in release in LA

this year like actually theater release.

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Yeah Uh, as well as streaming, I thought

that they'd be eligible this year.

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Maybe it's an eligibility

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Chris: issue.

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It might be, yeah, because it

wasn't released in the theaters

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until 2024, but they did have

it at a film festival in:

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Jerome: but either way,

if they were eligible last

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year, they also got shut out.

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So either way, so either

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Chris: way, you can't blame the year.

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But at the Oscars last

year, no one saw it.

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It wasn't available to anybody.

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Jerome: right, right.

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So I honestly believe that this

was the year of eligibility.

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Yeah, and it just, it just

didn't work, uh, for, for voters.

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Uh, if you want to blame somebody,

we're, we're gonna, we're gonna talk a

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little bit about movie politics here.

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Uh, not real politics, movie

politics, you got to get out,

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you got to send that shit out.

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You got to pay the money to market

an Oscar campaign and it costs money.

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And Ethan Hawke was probably like,

this isn't about an Oscar campaign.

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You know, this was a project for

my daughter and I, it was very

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personal for us and anyone that

sees it, we hope they enjoy it.

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It costs money to have an Oscar campaign.

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It does.

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It honestly does.

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But if you send the screeners out.

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And you start telling people for your

consideration, Wildcat, Wildcat, Wildcat.

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At least it would have been

mentioned in publications.

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It didn't, because that's all

you need is word of mouth going.

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You need buzz going.

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It had none of that, man.

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It, nobody talked about Wildcat.

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Remember all those year end

lists I was sending you?

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That people were, the Hollywood

Reporter, and Variety.

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And entertainment weekly, whatever,

everybody had their top 10 of the year.

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And these are our Oscar picks for

the year at the end of the year.

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They do that every year, every

publication, I sent you all of them.

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Like nobody was talking about it.

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Chris: Well, as I said

on the podcast though,

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because of who Flannery O'Connor was

and the way, like her stories were

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so controversial, it makes sense

that it'd be weird if it was like.

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If it was front and center and

everybody's favorite and all that.

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Jerome: Let's, let's,

let's, I don't, I don't

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Chris: want to point

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Jerome: fingers at the

Hollywood Jews just yet.

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Oh no, I didn't say that.

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It seemed like that's

where you were going.

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No, oh god, no, no, no.

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Because we know, well honestly,

because we know that's why Passion

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Well, it was even like, during her time.

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Um, she was banned by Catholic churches.

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Jerome: but, but you know, but I've had,

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Chris: but

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Jerome: no, but I, I honestly believe

like part of the reason passion of

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the Christ didn't get more nomination.

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I think it got a score

nomination for the music.

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I think that was it, but that's

the kind of movie passion of the

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Christ should have had the gamut.

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It should have had 12 nominations.

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And just about every category

from set decoration to costumes

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to actors to best director.

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But I mean, but you know,

they're not going to award Jim

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Caviezel, at least not now.

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Um, you know, they're not going to give

him a nomination, but so that's what

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I mean about that, that kind of shit.

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Is unfair.

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Pastor of the Christ, I believe was

worthy of all those nominations.

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Chris: Well, and that gets into

actual politics because Yeah.

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You know, Mel's, Mel's politics are more.

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Right?

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Sure.

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And, and so is Jim Al's

and so yeah, all that.

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But I mean, I don't think that

was the case for Ethan Hawk.

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I No, I was just

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Jerome: messing with you

when you said she's Catholic.

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I was like, oh, that's it.

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He's blaming the Jews.

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Yeah.

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Know

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Chris: Yeah.

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No, we're just kidding.

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Hollywood.

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But there other, other,

other films were nominated.

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Jerome: Yeah, there were, there were a lot

of, but now, okay, so I'm going to give

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you the list of Best Picture nominees.

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So, every year my brother and I, we

try to use some of these movies, and

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they've made for some good podcasts.

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But I texted the list and I said,

we got some work to do, because I

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haven't seen fucking any of these.

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I saw one of them.

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Now, on this list, I will say So

Far is my favorite film of the year.

389

:

But, here we go.

390

:

So here's the list.

391

:

Uh, I'm just going to I'm just going

to go with it in no particular order.

392

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Amelia Perez, a complete unknown.

393

:

That's the Bob Dylan movie.

394

:

That was a

395

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Chris: great movie.

396

:

Jerome: Conclave nickel boys.

397

:

Never heard of nickel boys.

398

:

I'm still here.

399

:

I don't think I heard of that one either.

400

:

The substance I've heard a lot

about, it's actually streaming now.

401

:

Dune Part 2, of course,

we've heard a lot about that.

402

:

Wicked, of course, is in theaters.

403

:

Big Disney movie.

404

:

Onora, never heard of it.

405

:

And The Brutalist, which

I've heard a lot about.

406

:

It was just three and a half hours long.

407

:

So looking at this list, I tell

you right now I've seen one.

408

:

I saw a complete unknown when it came out.

409

:

That was the only one.

410

:

I didn't even see Dune Part 2 yet.

411

:

And we did a podcast on Dune Part 1!

412

:

And I hadn't even seen Part 2 yet!

413

:

And

414

:

Chris: that's the one you want

to see in the theater, man.

415

:

Jerome: Yeah, I know, I totally

dropped the ball on that one.

416

:

But I saw a complete unknown.

417

:

So far, even Wildcat notwithstanding.

418

:

So far a complete unknown is

my favorite movie of the year.

419

:

Now I have to say I'm biased

because I'm a huge Bob Dylan fan.

420

:

And that movie opened on Christmas day.

421

:

And I told V.

422

:

I said, after you put the girls to

bed, I'm going to the movies by myself.

423

:

Chris: As a huge Bob Dylan fan.

424

:

You got to say you're

probably holding your breath.

425

:

Is this going to work?

426

:

Right.

427

:

Jerome: Absolutely.

428

:

I thought it was, I was

terrified it was going to suck.

429

:

Yeah.

430

:

And I got to say for anyone

that's maybe not as big into

431

:

movies, but you really love music.

432

:

Go watch this movie.

433

:

Yeah, because there's so

much music like every scene.

434

:

It's not always Bob in every

scene Somebody's playing music.

435

:

Somebody is performing.

436

:

It's a great soundtrack.

437

:

Yeah She's not

438

:

Chris: a Dylan fan.

439

:

Really?

440

:

I mean, you know,

441

:

Jerome: but there was a lot of music a

lot of great acting Timothee Chalamet

442

:

who by the way coincidentally is in

Dune part 2 He pulls off Bob Dylan man.

443

:

He's got the mannerisms down.

444

:

Is he

445

:

Chris: nominated for

Best Actor for that role?

446

:

He was he was he's up for Best

447

:

Jerome: Actor And, uh, the girl, I

can't remember, is it, it's Barbaro.

448

:

I think her last name is she's nominated

for best supporting actress for playing

449

:

beautiful, uh, for playing Joan Baez.

450

:

Yeah.

451

:

Um, which was funny because I

read an article that said it's

452

:

ironic that the people playing

Bob Dylan and Joan Baez are.

453

:

far hotter than Bob Dylan and Joan

Baez really were, and I'm like,

454

:

well, you know, it's Hollywood.

455

:

You gotta pick the best

looking people you can find.

456

:

Um, but, uh, but I've seen pictures.

457

:

I saw old photos.

458

:

You can Google it.

459

:

Old photos of, of Dylan

and Joan Baez together.

460

:

And they, they did look

cute together, man.

461

:

It was, it was, uh, and I

thought the movie was a fair

462

:

port, uh, portrait of that.

463

:

Um,

464

:

Chris: the casting was great.

465

:

Yeah.

466

:

Yeah.

467

:

Jerome: Casting was great.

468

:

The writing was great.

469

:

Edward Norton might finally

get his Oscar supporting actor.

470

:

Cause he disappears man.

471

:

And not like the disappears the way

Heath Ledger disappeared as the Joker.

472

:

Cause of all the makeup.

473

:

I mean, you forget it's Edward Norton.

474

:

He doesn't sound like him.

475

:

He doesn't look like

476

:

Chris: him.

477

:

At one point, Jesse said, is that

the guy that's in Ferris Bueller?

478

:

What?

479

:

You know who I'm talking about?

480

:

She thought it was Alan Ruck.

481

:

Yeah, yeah, I said, he's the

guy in, uh, what's the name?

482

:

What's the show he's in now?

483

:

Edward Norton.

484

:

Yeah.

485

:

No,

486

:

Jerome: no, no.

487

:

Ruck.

488

:

Alan Ruck.

489

:

I don't know what show he's

on now, but, uh, succession.

490

:

He's in succession.

491

:

Oh, he's in succession.

492

:

I didn't know that.

493

:

I don't watch succession.

494

:

Uh, nothing against it.

495

:

I just, one of those things

I've never had time for.

496

:

It's a good series, but I hear it's great.

497

:

I hear it's great.

498

:

Um, so no, I mean, you forget that it's

Edward Norton and, and I thought he might.

499

:

He didn't win, right?

500

:

He hasn't won one, right?

501

:

I remember he was up for Birdman and I

thought he should have won for Birdman.

502

:

Um, but, um But anyway,

I don't think he's one.

503

:

I'm going to look it up right

now, but he definitely is due.

504

:

He's due for an Oscar and, um, no,

he's been nominated four times.

505

:

Yeah, this is his fourth Oscar nomination.

506

:

Uh, he was nominated for bird man.

507

:

He was nominated for best actor in

American history X and of course, best

508

:

supporting actor for primal fear, which

is kind of was his breakout back in 96.

509

:

So he is due.

510

:

And again, I loved him in this.

511

:

It was great.

512

:

Yeah.

513

:

Um, some people.

514

:

You know, we'll go to the movie.

515

:

Expecting a biopic.

516

:

It's not really it only focuses on it

focuses about three years of Dylan's life

517

:

Yeah,

518

:

Jerome: it was it was when he first

it was about his break into the

519

:

business for sure But then somewhere

along the way he kind of abandons

520

:

the folk music and goes electric

521

:

Yeah, and in fact,

522

:

Jerome: I think that I think the name

of the book It was based on was Bob

523

:

goes electric or something like that.

524

:

Like Bob Dylan goes electric That was the

name of the book or something like that.

525

:

And so it's really just about that

segment of his life Where he went

526

:

to electric guitar and everybody

in the folk world was pissed!

527

:

Like, they were mad!

528

:

It was, yeah, it was like, it

was like, uh, the big girls when,

529

:

uh, Khloe Kardashian became hot.

530

:

All the big girls around the world

were like, Khloe, you were one of us!

531

:

Like, you know, and then they're

like, they felt she abandoned them.

532

:

Because she, you know, got

plastic surgery and everything.

533

:

So, um, um, so it was kind of like that.

534

:

Like, all the folk people

were like, you abandoned us.

535

:

Like you went and joined

all these rock stars.

536

:

You were one of us.

537

:

You know what I mean?

538

:

I think, I think another one of

the driving forces, I'm going to

539

:

say something else about this in

a minute, um, was Johnny cash.

540

:

Was, you know, Johnny was the one

that was like, man, fuck those people,

541

:

like, play what you want to play.

542

:

I want

543

:

Chris: to hear it.

544

:

I got a question.

545

:

I should have done my homework,

but, uh, the guy that directed this.

546

:

Yeah, I did this.

547

:

Okay.

548

:

Yeah, so I was just gonna

549

:

Jerome: say, I have

something else I want to add.

550

:

James Mangold directed Walk the Line.

551

:

Chris: Yeah.

552

:

Jerome: I, I want to know why he

didn't recast Walking Phoenix.

553

:

Yeah, Walking Phoenix, man.

554

:

Why not bring it back?

555

:

And I gotta believe That would be great.

556

:

He didn't for two reasons.

557

:

One, he might not have been available.

558

:

He might have called Joaquin and he's

like, I'm doing this other thing.

559

:

Or maybe he was doing Joker 2.

560

:

Maybe he just wasn't available.

561

:

I don't know.

562

:

The other thing is, um, it's quite

possible that he purposely didn't

563

:

even ask him because he didn't want

the, the, the point of emphasis or

564

:

attention to be pulled away from Dylan.

565

:

Yeah.

566

:

You know, Joaquin, Joaquin Phoenix.

567

:

Is bigger right now than Timothee

Chalamet, even if you might

568

:

not want to admit it, even

if you're a big Chalamet fan.

569

:

Joaquin Phoenix is bigger right

now, he just won best actor at

570

:

the Oscars for playing Joker.

571

:

He's bigger right now.

572

:

Chris: Much bigger catalog too, so.

573

:

Jerome: Yeah, so, so, uh, as far

as resume of films, absolutely.

574

:

Resume.

575

:

Chris: So,

576

:

Jerome: yeah, so.

577

:

Um, you know, there, there's, it's

possible that James Mangle was

578

:

like, you know, if I bring him

back to play Johnny Cash again,

579

:

that will be the focus of the film.

580

:

But I gotta say, that guy that

581

:

Chris: played Johnny Cash did a great job.

582

:

Oh yeah, he was good too.

583

:

I enjoyed him, yeah.

584

:

Jerome: He was good too, but man, I

thought the way Joaquin Phoenix played

585

:

drunk, drunk Johnny Cash was better

than this guy's drunk Johnny Cash.

586

:

Uh, this guy was good, but the way Phoenix

does drunk Johnny Cash was way better.

587

:

Um.

588

:

Uh, God, I loved Walked a Line.

589

:

That was a good one that we did.

590

:

For all of you listening, we did

a podcast episode on that, too.

591

:

Yeah, look it up.

592

:

Um, okay, so we're not

gonna go through last year.

593

:

We went through a lot of the

arguments about, oh, this should

594

:

have been, that should have been.

595

:

Um, with the exception of Wildcat,

which we already talked about.

596

:

I don't know a lot of these films.

597

:

I didn't see a lot of films

this year, unfortunately.

598

:

Life sort of invades.

599

:

So, we have a different little fun thing

we're going to do to end this episode.

600

:

I told my brother.

601

:

This is how I got the idea.

602

:

The last episode we dropped

was the campaign versus Dave on

603

:

are there any good politicians.

604

:

Um, fun episode.

605

:

I was re listening to it

while I was folding laundry.

606

:

Because I love the sound of my own voice.

607

:

It's a Leo narcissist thing.

608

:

Not Leo DiCaprio, Leo

the astronomical sign.

609

:

Astrological sign.

610

:

Anyway, I like hearing the episodes to

see how they came out and I was listening

611

:

to it and I was thinking because we were

talking about how good Dave's script was.

612

:

And that it was nominated for Best

Original Screenplay back in 93.

613

:

And that, I had this idea, that for those

of you that don't know, After:

614

:

what happened in 2008, The Dark Knight

did not get nominated for Best Picture.

615

:

It didn't make the Final Five.

616

:

EVERYBODY was up in arms!

617

:

Oh my god, it was the

best movie of the year!

618

:

By far made the most money of the year,

uh, in the year, blah blah blah blah.

619

:

They changed the rules the

next year to allow up to 10.

620

:

Now you could have six, you could

have eight, but it allows up to 10.

621

:

Well, they've abused it lately and

they fill it with a full slate of

622

:

10 as they did again this year.

623

:

And I think last year, without

sounding insulting anybody, I

624

:

think you and I even talked about

how some of these shouldn't even.

625

:

Like they're not, I mean,

they're good movies,

626

:

but

627

:

Jerome: best, best picture

is the elite of the elite.

628

:

Right.

629

:

And really, honestly, I think

they should go back to just five.

630

:

Chris: And I can't remember if they

did it last year, but the year before,

631

:

I remember that they weren't even

showing clips of all the movies.

632

:

And that was annoying.

633

:

Jerome: It's still a two

or three picture race.

634

:

Yeah, but you think if you're nominated,

635

:

Chris: give me my, give me my 30

seconds or whatever and show me a clip.

636

:

Yeah, I'm here.

637

:

Yeah, I'm dressed up, I came

out, you know, I brought my

638

:

mom or my wife or somebody.

639

:

Jerome: Yeah.

640

:

Chris: Give me my, give

me my 30 seconds, man.

641

:

Give me

642

:

Jerome: my 30 seconds, and they didn't.

643

:

And they don't do it.

644

:

It's almost like the

bottom ones on the list.

645

:

They know have no shot.

646

:

Well, if that's the case, then why are

we giving them a best picture nomination?

647

:

Yeah, like go back to five.

648

:

I get why you did it.

649

:

It was a knee jerk reaction

because Heath Ledger had just

650

:

died and the movie was left out.

651

:

And there was this reaction to,

we need to include more films.

652

:

And Marvel was at its peak at that

time, or at least getting into its peak.

653

:

I think Iron Man might've been

released in 08, wasn't it?

654

:

I don't remember.

655

:

No, maybe not.

656

:

Maybe not.

657

:

Maybe it was a little bit earlier.

658

:

But the point was, is Uh, Marvel

movies were starting to make this

659

:

complaint that we want in too.

660

:

Mm hmm.

661

:

Jerome: And so they expand it.

662

:

And Um, I would rather do that than

what they thought they might do.

663

:

They said that they might have a top

action, best action picture of the year.

664

:

Oh no, yes.

665

:

Which would be like the

Transformers movies all get their

666

:

own category for best picture.

667

:

I hate that idea.

668

:

Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

669

:

We're not the Golden Globes.

670

:

We don't have a musical

or comedy, uh, category.

671

:

Right?

672

:

Like, it's the Oscars.

673

:

You're either the best movie

of the year or you're not.

674

:

Now I know that the reaction is, Well,

wait, there's an animated feature,

675

:

there's a documentary feature, those

are both movies, it's not the same.

676

:

Chris: Yeah.

677

:

Jerome: Live action feature films.

678

:

Non documentary feature films.

679

:

You're either in the dance or you're not.

680

:

And to create separate

categories, I'm against.

681

:

Yeah.

682

:

When it comes to that.

683

:

Now, I think they should scale it back.

684

:

I think 10 is too many.

685

:

But, so here's the fun idea I had.

686

:

Did you do your homework, by the way?

687

:

Did you look it up?

688

:

No,

689

:

Chris: I didn't.

690

:

I'm gonna do it right now.

691

:

I got IMDB open.

692

:

Well, we're not gonna,

693

:

Jerome: well, I'm not gonna

go through every year.

694

:

But I said, let's not go back any farther.

695

:

Chris: Which year are you gonna go for?

696

:

Jerome: I've got, I've got four

years I want to talk about.

697

:

1990.

698

:

Um, because really, if you think

about it, and I looked at every

699

:

single year that you're looking at.

700

:

What's the first year you're gonna do?

701

:

90?

702

:

So I looked at and I actually deleted

out a few years that I thought, yeah,

703

:

of course that one would be picked

if the idea was there was still 10.

704

:

So the idea is going back to 1990

if they had made this rule then and

705

:

you could have up to 10 nominees.

706

:

Since 1990, which films that

didn't ever get a best picture

707

:

nomination, which ones should have

gotten and would have been picked.

708

:

So I'm going to 91 to listen to

the three films that didn't make

709

:

the final cut of five in 1991.

710

:

Are you ready?

711

:

Yeah.

712

:

Jerome: The Fisher King, which won an

Oscar and was nominated for another five.

713

:

It's a wait, wait, wait.

714

:

Okay.

715

:

Thelma and Louise.

716

:

Oh my God.

717

:

Won an Oscar for screenplay.

718

:

Had six total nominations,

including both lead actresses.

719

:

Didn't get a best picture nomination.

720

:

And finally boys in the hood.

721

:

Now this is my hail Mary pass.

722

:

Cause it did only get two nominations.

723

:

It only got two nominations and

it would have been a stretch

724

:

to include it in best picture.

725

:

However, the two nominations were

screenplay and best director.

726

:

And it was.

727

:

Sort of a groundbreaking

movie, you know what I mean?

728

:

As far as turning, uh, sort of like

getting white people to open their

729

:

eyes about the shit that goes on in

the inner city that they've tried to

730

:

pretend doesn't exist for so long.

731

:

This movie crashed into

everybody's living room.

732

:

And it was such an iconic film.

733

:

And I think that if you expanded

it to ten, The Fisher King, Boys

734

:

in the Hood and Thelma and Louise

EASILY get three of the nominations.

735

:

Absolutely.

736

:

What were the movies that were nominated?

737

:

Do you have that in front of you?

738

:

I don't, but off the top of my head, I'm

gonna say it was Silence of the Lambs won.

739

:

It beat Bugsy.

740

:

It beat Prince of Tides.

741

:

It beat, uh, Beauty and the Beast.

742

:

Did Backdraft get, uh, No, I don't

think that had any nominations.

743

:

And something else, Cape Fear

didn't get nominated either.

744

:

Um, but there was, There's a

remake, usually remakes don't.

745

:

I really feel bad, uh, what did I say?

746

:

I said Bugsy, right?

747

:

Did I say Bugsy?

748

:

Bugsy, Sounds of the

Lambs, Prince of Tides.

749

:

What about, what about Bob?

750

:

No, fuck.

751

:

Um, uh, uh, Beauty and the Beast.

752

:

Come on, I'm missing one.

753

:

What's the fifth movie that was

nominated for Best Picture in:

754

:

Oh my god, this is a lot of

dead air here, but I have to

755

:

because I'm bothered by this.

756

:

Best.

757

:

You gotta have this up, man.

758

:

Nominees.

759

:

All right.

760

:

Uh, are you ready?

761

:

Yeah.

762

:

I have it right here.

763

:

Okay.

764

:

Oh, JFK.

765

:

JFK was the film.

766

:

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

767

:

But see, I, people, people feel about

JFK then that I think the rest of the

768

:

world feels about Boys in the Hood now.

769

:

So I think if you could redo it, Boys in

the Hood should have taken JFK's place.

770

:

Yeah,

771

:

Chris: yeah, yeah.

772

:

Is that fair?

773

:

Is that fair?

774

:

I, I, 100 percent yeah.

775

:

Jerome: Um, okay, so, next

year what do you have?

776

:

I have 1995, did you

have something in there?

777

:

Chris: No, go for it, let me, let me pull

778

:

Jerome: it

779

:

Chris: up.

780

:

Jerome: 1995's best picture,

the five pictures, it was like a

781

:

three picture race and two jokes.

782

:

Okay, here was the three picture

race for Best Picture in:

783

:

Braveheart, which one?

784

:

Apollo 13 and Sense and Sensibility.

785

:

The other two dogs in the race.

786

:

Il Postino, which was an Italian film.

787

:

And Babe, which was about a talking pig.

788

:

Really?

789

:

Are you serious?

790

:

You wanna know three movies that

were left out of Best Picture?

791

:

The Usual Suspects, which was Wait, it had

two Oscar nominations and won them both.

792

:

Best screenplay and best supporting actor.

793

:

Oh my god, seven?

794

:

Wait, wait, wait, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

795

:

Heat?

796

:

Seven?

797

:

But wait, wait.

798

:

Oh yeah, so Heat, Casino, none of

these got nominated for best picture.

799

:

Wait, wait, I'm gonna kill

you with the last two.

800

:

Are you ready?

801

:

Here's the last two.

802

:

Dead Men Walking and Leaving Las Vegas.

803

:

Both were nominated, had four nominations.

804

:

I hated Leaving Las Vegas.

805

:

Wait a minute, wait a minute,

listen to this though.

806

:

Both films had four nominations.

807

:

Okay.

808

:

Both won a lead Oscar category.

809

:

Yeah.

810

:

Dead Man Walking won Best

Actress for Susan Sarandon.

811

:

Leaving Las Vegas won Best

Actor for Nicolas Cage.

812

:

Both films had their director nominated.

813

:

And neither one, neither one got

this, they said it was too dark.

814

:

They said there were too dark.

815

:

And I'm like, okay, seven was too dark.

816

:

You could have put in dead man

walking, dead man walking was a

817

:

Chris: masterpiece

818

:

Jerome: and you had heat was left out.

819

:

Casino was left out.

820

:

So if you think about, uh, and wait, I

might be overstepping my grounds here.

821

:

You have to might look this up.

822

:

Did toy story come out in 95 as well?

823

:

Oh my gosh.

824

:

I don't know.

825

:

It might have.

826

:

No.

827

:

What year was the original Toy Story?

828

:

Oh, you're right.

829

:

95!

830

:

95!

831

:

Holy crap!

832

:

95!

833

:

So Toy Story wasn't included either.

834

:

So if they had, if they could

have gone to 10 Alright, alright,

835

:

here's another trivia for you.

836

:

Alright, this is not trivia.

837

:

This one is your opinion.

838

:

Okay.

839

:

I'm gonna say Let's

take the five nominees.

840

:

Although I would have

taken out You know what?

841

:

Fuck it.

842

:

Let's take out Il Postino and Babe.

843

:

And we're gonna fill those slots with

Dead Man Walking and Leaving Las Vegas.

844

:

Now you got five more possibles.

845

:

I'm going Usual Suspects, Toy

Story, Seven, Casino, and Heat.

846

:

Is that fair?

847

:

Chris: Yeah.

848

:

Absolutely.

849

:

Oh my god.

850

:

So, it's, I just looked up Toy Story.

851

:

They were in, they were, they

won an Academy Award, uh, for

852

:

Special Achievement Award.

853

:

What the

854

:

Jerome: hell is that?

855

:

That's because Pixar was in

its infancy then, and that was

856

:

the first Pixar big huge hit.

857

:

Yeah.

858

:

So that's why.

859

:

Wait.

860

:

Chris: They got an Oscar nominee

for best writing screenplay

861

:

written directly for the screen.

862

:

Jerome: Yeah.

863

:

Chris: Best Oscar nominee for

best music, original song,

864

:

which would be Randy Newman.

865

:

Um, should have won that one.

866

:

I don't know who won that one.

867

:

Jerome: Hey, hang on.

868

:

Chris: Hang

869

:

Jerome: on.

870

:

This might be the one edit you

have to do before we drop it.

871

:

Hopefully that'll be an easy edit to make.

872

:

Chris: Yeah, Randy Newman got

nominated for two Oscars that year.

873

:

Best Music Original Song and Best Music,

uh, Original Musical or Comedy Score.

874

:

So, yeah, crazy.

875

:

So,

876

:

Jerome: anyway.

877

:

So, um, I know I skipped over it.

878

:

I was gonna say one thing.

879

:

In 1993, Philadelphia probably would

have been nominated for Best Picture.

880

:

Yeah.

881

:

93 was 93 was 93 was another good one.

882

:

That was the year of Dave.

883

:

So I started with 93 because of Dave.

884

:

And the more I looked at it, I was

like, Dave might not have gotten

885

:

nominated because there were a lot.

886

:

The firm came out that year in the

line of fire came out that year.

887

:

So there were a lot of movies, but okay.

888

:

Moving on from 95.

889

:

I thought 95.

890

:

I wanted to include that one

because I think 95 and 91 are the

891

:

two biggest travesties so far.

892

:

Um, okay.

893

:

What other year?

894

:

So 2007.

895

:

Oh boy.

896

:

Um.

897

:

So this was the best picture race.

898

:

Oh, I didn't have any.

899

:

That didn't leave out, not 2007.

900

:

I thought they got it right and I don't

think they should have added anymore.

901

:

Do do you have the nominations for 2007?

902

:

Chris: I

903

:

Jerome: do.

904

:

I do.

905

:

So here are the 2000 sevens.

906

:

I think it rivals the

best picture race of:

907

:

Now, for those of you that don't

know, I always talk about best

908

:

picture 1994, because I thought

that that year they nailed it.

909

:

They got all five were

per, so here just re.

910

:

Cap refresher memory.

911

:

1994 was Forrest Gump one and it beat

Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, Quiz

912

:

Show, and Four Weddings and a Funeral.

913

:

That to me was always like,

that was the pinnacle.

914

:

That was like the year where

every film was amazing.

915

:

2007, Atonement, No Country

for Old Men, Juno, There Will

916

:

Be Blood, and Michael Clayton.

917

:

I mean, they nailed all five right out

of the All five of those are Amazing

918

:

films and no country for old men won.

919

:

So I just wanted to mention

was like a:

920

:

Uh, and, and again, by allowing 10 movies,

I think you lose out on years like this.

921

:

Chris: Yeah.

922

:

Jerome: Um, okay.

923

:

Here's my last one.

924

:

2008 of course, the pinnacle year

where, uh, the dark night was left out.

925

:

Now here's the case for the dark night.

926

:

And why people were up in arms.

927

:

It had eight Oscar nominations.

928

:

What year are you in?

929

:

2008.

930

:

The Dark Knight had eight Oscar

nominations and it won two of

931

:

them including Heath Ledger.

932

:

It led all films in domestic box

office with 531 million, and it was

933

:

the only film to reach 1 billion

worldwide, the biggest film of the year.

934

:

And it's not even close.

935

:

It had the biggest performance of

the year and it's not even close.

936

:

And they didn't give it a

best picture nomination.

937

:

Um, one of the other arguments I

would make, Oh, this was actually

938

:

got some love, but it didn't

get nominated for best picture.

939

:

If we wanted to go to that Catholic

route again, have you ever seen doubt?

940

:

No.

941

:

Oh my God!

942

:

Tonight, you and Jesse are watching Doubt.

943

:

Meryl Streep and Philip Seymour Hoffman.

944

:

Five Oscar nominations.

945

:

Did not get nominated for Best Picture.

946

:

Which one won?

947

:

Slumdog?

948

:

In 08?

949

:

Chris: Yeah.

950

:

No, I think that was 07.

951

:

Or was it Dark Knight?

952

:

No, Dark Knight was a night.

953

:

Obviously, yeah, they got snubbed.

954

:

Jerome: Um.

955

:

What won?

956

:

I want to say Slumdog was 07.

957

:

No, no, obviously it wasn't.

958

:

I just told you.

959

:

It had to have been Slugdog.

960

:

Because Slumdog, I just said, might

have been 07, but I just named you the

961

:

five movies from 07 and that wasn't it.

962

:

So, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Slumdog.

963

:

Slumdog.

964

:

Now, Slumdog's a good film.

965

:

But the Dark Knight

should have been included,

966

:

Chris: man.

967

:

Yeah, right.

968

:

Jerome: I mean, jeez oh peats.

969

:

What do you think?

970

:

No country for old men won in 07.

971

:

Yeah.

972

:

And, uh, Slumdog Millionaire won in 08.

973

:

Now, when we say that, we mean

the year that they came out.

974

:

When people say the 09 Oscars,

they mean the year of 08.

975

:

Because that's when the movies came out.

976

:

Did you say if

977

:

Chris: Gran Torino was nominated?

978

:

Gran

979

:

Jerome: Torino was not nominated.

980

:

What year did it Well, I don't know.

981

:

That was 08.

982

:

Come on.

983

:

Chris: That was 08.

984

:

Jerome: Oh.

985

:

Uh, 08 it was released?

986

:

Chris: Yeah.

987

:

It's listed on IMDb as 08.

988

:

Jerome: Okay, so the nominees that

year were, um, Slumdog Millionaire,

989

:

Milk, which won Best Actor for Sean

Penn, The Reader, which I think

990

:

won Best Actress for Kate Winslet.

991

:

The Curious Case of Benjamin

Buttons and Frost Nixon.

992

:

Frost Nixon was actually really good.

993

:

You know who

994

:

Chris: got snubbed?

995

:

Tropic Thunder.

996

:

Jerome: No, get out of here.

997

:

You know what?

998

:

Tropic Thunder, I love it, but it's not

going to be nominated for Best Picture.

999

:

But I tell you what,

here's the funny thing.

:

00:40:38,545 --> 00:40:40,285

Here's how good Tropic Thunder was.

:

00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:44,675

There was a push that Robert Downey Jr.

:

00:40:44,685 --> 00:40:48,265

would beat Heath Ledger in the

Best Supporting Actor category.

:

00:40:49,085 --> 00:40:54,055

Because he, uh, playing, uh, the,

the black guy, the guy that dyes

:

00:40:54,055 --> 00:40:56,345

himself black to play the role.

:

00:40:56,965 --> 00:41:00,745

Um, he was so good in that,

that they thought he might

:

00:41:00,745 --> 00:41:02,065

actually beat Heath Ledger.

:

00:41:02,355 --> 00:41:06,104

Um, he, he also said on a podcast

or an interview somewhere that they

:

00:41:06,104 --> 00:41:10,895

were, They were concerned when the

movie came out because rightfully so.

:

00:41:10,935 --> 00:41:12,615

Yeah, he's going blackface, right?

:

00:41:12,615 --> 00:41:16,735

So they, they, they were concerned

about the attention they would

:

00:41:16,735 --> 00:41:18,515

get, the negativity about that.

:

00:41:18,705 --> 00:41:20,135

And he said that, you know what?

:

00:41:20,155 --> 00:41:21,224

Nobody even mentioned it.

:

00:41:21,224 --> 00:41:22,695

You know what they were

more pissed off at?

:

00:41:23,345 --> 00:41:28,955

Simple Jack, Ben Stiller is

making a mockery of people

:

00:41:28,955 --> 00:41:30,335

with, you know, I think that

:

00:41:30,335 --> 00:41:30,645

Chris: was on a

:

00:41:30,645 --> 00:41:32,875

Jerome: rogued podcast, physical handicap.

:

00:41:33,305 --> 00:41:37,005

Um, and they said there, he said there

were more pissed off at simple Jack

:

00:41:37,005 --> 00:41:38,385

than they were at his black face.

:

00:41:38,395 --> 00:41:39,184

So he was okay.

:

00:41:39,194 --> 00:41:40,114

He was fine.

:

00:41:40,514 --> 00:41:40,934

So much.

:

00:41:40,934 --> 00:41:42,825

So they nominated for

best supporting actor.

:

00:41:43,345 --> 00:41:47,395

Chris: So the boy in the straight pajamas

that wasn't nominated for best picture.

:

00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:49,230

That was a, we watched that.

:

00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,580

That was a really good movie.

:

00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:51,290

Mm mm.

:

00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,380

I don't think that,

:

00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:53,650

Jerome: no, that didn't get a nomination.

:

00:41:53,650 --> 00:41:58,779

So, um, if you think of some other, uh,

the biggest other snubs aren't really

:

00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:00,830

nomination snubs, they're win snubs.

:

00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:02,300

Like, um,

:

00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:09,210

what was it, uh, didn't Roberto

enigni win Best Actor in like:

:

00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:09,529

Mm mm.

:

00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:09,920

Right?

:

00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,930

Do you know who he beat in 98?

:

00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:12,330

Mm mm.

:

00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:16,830

So, I'll, I'll go from the bottom

up, okay, of the four nominees.

:

00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:24,580

So, um, I believe that Ian McKellen

of Lord of the Rings fame, he did

:

00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:27,210

a film where he played the real

life director John Whale in a

:

00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:28,720

movie called Gods and Monsters.

:

00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,880

It's arguably Ian McKellen's best film.

:

00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:33,990

He was nominated for Best Actor.

:

00:42:35,689 --> 00:42:37,399

Nick Nolte was in Affliction.

:

00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:40,240

Now we've talked about Affliction

because it's one of those, um

:

00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:41,890

Flat arcs that we talk about.

:

00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:44,260

It's a Paul Schrader film,

Paul Schrader script.

:

00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,150

So we we've talked about

affliction in podcasts past.

:

00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:50,489

That's easily, in my opinion, Nick

Nolte's best performance out there.

:

00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:51,660

If you haven't seen it,

you got to watch it.

:

00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,870

I showed mom when she was here

when mom and dad came to visit.

:

00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:58,660

I showed them the tooth pull scene

from affliction where Nick Nolte

:

00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,030

reaches into his mouth with a pair

of pliers and pulls a tooth out.

:

00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:09,115

And mom's yeah, he pulls a good he goes

all Ron Swanson and mom's all oh my god,

:

00:43:09,115 --> 00:43:15,099

I can't watch and so But he's got like

you could see the tear coming down his

:

00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:19,429

eye as he's doing it Like he he goes

full Denzel in glory with the teardrop.

:

00:43:19,899 --> 00:43:21,670

And so it's it to me.

:

00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:25,050

It's Nick Nolte's best

performance ever He didn't win.

:

00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:25,680

Yeah.

:

00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,680

Next up, on this list, Um,

American History X, Edward

:

00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,490

Norton, nominated for Best Actor.

:

00:43:34,059 --> 00:43:37,400

People say it's his best

all time performance.

:

00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,310

Uh, he doesn't win.

:

00:43:39,590 --> 00:43:45,150

And the final loser of this group,

Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan.

:

00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:45,750

Yeah.

:

00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:51,250

Those were your Benigni

for Life is Beautiful.

:

00:43:51,490 --> 00:43:53,500

Who basically is the Italian Jim Carrey.

:

00:43:54,695 --> 00:43:57,365

And they give it to him because

it's such a sweet movie.

:

00:43:57,405 --> 00:43:58,485

It was a good movie.

:

00:43:58,485 --> 00:43:58,845

I watched it.

:

00:43:58,855 --> 00:43:59,745

Come on, man!

:

00:43:59,765 --> 00:44:00,555

Best actor?!

:

00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:01,745

Chris: I know.

:

00:44:02,545 --> 00:44:03,875

Jerome: Did you see him at the Oscars?

:

00:44:03,915 --> 00:44:04,865

He was playing himself!

:

00:44:06,074 --> 00:44:08,195

He's the Italian version of Jim Carrey!

:

00:44:08,395 --> 00:44:10,135

Did you ever see Jim Carrey at the Oscars?

:

00:44:10,845 --> 00:44:11,735

He's a riot!

:

00:44:14,364 --> 00:44:17,815

Whenever they ask him to present

anything, he's hilarious!

:

00:44:18,495 --> 00:44:23,950

So, Roberto Benigni, to me, I thought

was The acting, uh, we're getting loose

:

00:44:23,950 --> 00:44:25,700

with the language on the acting part.

:

00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:27,410

Um, it was a good movie.

:

00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:28,540

It was a fun movie.

:

00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:30,100

He's a fun guy.

:

00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:30,690

Yeah.

:

00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,840

But best actor in that year?

:

00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:37,085

It's either Hanks And if you don't

want to give it to him because he

:

00:44:37,095 --> 00:44:40,775

won two already, then you go Edward

Norton in American History X.

:

00:44:40,915 --> 00:44:41,965

You don't want to give it to him?

:

00:44:42,115 --> 00:44:43,415

Then it's time to award Nick Nolte.

:

00:44:43,695 --> 00:44:46,565

You give it to somebody

other than Roberto Benigni!

:

00:44:46,795 --> 00:44:48,984

Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

:

00:44:49,664 --> 00:44:50,324

Anyway, that's They were

:

00:44:50,324 --> 00:44:51,644

Chris: caught up in the

emotion of the story.

:

00:44:51,645 --> 00:44:51,955

They were!

:

00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:55,145

Jerome: And that's the funny

thing when, and we saw this

:

00:44:55,145 --> 00:44:56,605

last year with Poor Things.

:

00:44:57,035 --> 00:45:02,125

Remember the girl, uh, Lily Gladstone

from, uh, the Scorsese film.

:

00:45:02,185 --> 00:45:07,365

The, uh, the Native American

The Killers of the Flower Moon.

:

00:45:07,365 --> 00:45:08,025

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

00:45:08,075 --> 00:45:13,445

She, she was penciled in as best actress

all the way up until Oscar night.

:

00:45:13,815 --> 00:45:17,495

And as the Oscars were going and

poor things started to get a lot

:

00:45:17,495 --> 00:45:21,025

of attention and started winning

Oscars, it wasn't supposed to win.

:

00:45:21,405 --> 00:45:22,455

I texted mom.

:

00:45:22,455 --> 00:45:24,705

I said, Emma Stone's

going to win best actress.

:

00:45:25,065 --> 00:45:29,105

Like I had already called Lily

Gladstone in all of my predictions.

:

00:45:29,115 --> 00:45:30,385

So I can't change it now.

:

00:45:31,105 --> 00:45:33,975

But this is why I don't think I'm going

to start releasing predictions anymore

:

00:45:33,975 --> 00:45:40,724

until like, right before this category

is named, because you get a feel as

:

00:45:40,725 --> 00:45:43,845

the, as the night is going on, you're

like, Oh, I see where this is going.

:

00:45:44,135 --> 00:45:45,125

I see where this is going.

:

00:45:45,345 --> 00:45:48,024

And Emma stone, sure enough,

just pulled off the hype.

:

00:45:48,024 --> 00:45:50,705

So I think Roberto Benigni

had that going for him.

:

00:45:50,705 --> 00:45:51,625

That life is beautiful.

:

00:45:51,655 --> 00:45:56,325

Caught buzz and the hype was high and

everybody was high on the movie and

:

00:45:56,325 --> 00:45:58,385

he just steamrolled his way to it.

:

00:45:58,454 --> 00:45:59,015

Good for him.

:

00:46:01,565 --> 00:46:01,835

Chris: Well,

:

00:46:01,865 --> 00:46:02,004

Jerome: all right.

:

00:46:02,005 --> 00:46:02,725

What else you got?

:

00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:03,380

Anything?

:

00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,120

Nope.

:

00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,310

This, this was supposed

to be just a commercial.

:

00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:06,970

I know.

:

00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,600

Yeah.

:

00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:13,459

Chris: No, I'm looking for, we

need to, so maybe we should, maybe

:

00:46:13,459 --> 00:46:17,280

we should land the plane by, uh,

talking about what we're going to be

:

00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,010

erimenting with, you know, in:

:

00:46:20,029 --> 00:46:22,379

We want, we want to experiment with live.

:

00:46:22,379 --> 00:46:25,760

There's a few different platforms

we're going to try, or at least

:

00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,280

we'll, we'll try one at a time.

:

00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,280

If we like the first one,

we'll just go with that.

:

00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:32,780

Um, and it'll be fun.

:

00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:36,855

And, uh, You know, we could record

it live and just upload it, you know,

:

00:46:37,655 --> 00:46:43,845

and uh, um, I want to encourage you,

and I'm saying this publicly now for

:

00:46:43,845 --> 00:46:48,755

the audience, I want to encourage you,

and I've suggested this before, Uh,

:

00:46:48,765 --> 00:46:53,425

whatever platform we've, we discover

and that we like, and, uh, I want you

:

00:46:53,425 --> 00:46:57,925

to learn how to use it so you could fly

solo without me when I'm not available.

:

00:46:58,385 --> 00:47:02,674

And that'll enable you to, uh,

invite other people to join you

:

00:47:02,675 --> 00:47:08,380

for a podcast because I think that

would, I would tune in to hear you,

:

00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:13,590

you know, maybe you get Leon or

someone, Lee, uh, who, from Australia.

:

00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,630

Leon?

:

00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:17,899

I know, Lee, I said it, the way I

said it, I was like, no, not Leon.

:

00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:19,369

Jerome: Lee, we just

made you from Detroit.

:

00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:20,320

We need to get Lee

:

00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:22,890

Chris: back on, and

yeah, get him tuned in.

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00:47:26,515 --> 00:47:27,135

Jerome: Leon and

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Chris: Jerome.

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Jerome: If, if Lee Morgan

was actually from Detroit and

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not Australia, he'd be LEON!

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Chris: I'm sending him that clip.

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But yeah, I mean, seriously though

man, you gotta figure out how to

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use this in your studio there.

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You

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Jerome: just, you just, you are

Dan Campbell, and you just asked

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Ben Johnson to run the defense.

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Yeah.

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The technical part is you, man.

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I don't know this shit.

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Listen, listen.

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Don't give me the, if I figured

it out, you can figure it out.

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Yeah, for real.

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So, um, I, you know what,

I joked around with Jesse.

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Jesse said something like that

when we did the Wildcat episode.

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Those of you who haven't heard

it, go back and listen to it.

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Um.

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Jesse said, you know, why

don't you learn the editing?

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I said, Jesse, if I learned the

editing, what is your brother's job?

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He will have nothing left.

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Chris: No, but seriously though,

um, I don't want my unavailability

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to hinder your opportunity

to get up, to just jump on.

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You have an opportunity to jump

on with someone to talk about.

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Something that's released.

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You know what I mean?

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It would be good.

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It would be good.

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Good, man.

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I've only had a couple of drinks

and it's really hit me already.

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I don't want you to miss

those opportunities.

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So anyways, we're going to play with

that and see if we can get you, uh,

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comfortable enough to with it, to just.

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You know, throw it up

and record it and go.

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Jerome: All right.

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Sounds like a plan.

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Sounds like a mission for:

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The also the other mission for

:

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undefeated and win the Superbowl.

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Chris: I'm down.

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I'll have to buy another

bottle of whiskey.

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Jerome: Absolutely.

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Alright, let's land this plane here.

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This prop plane we have was

supposed to be a commercial.

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Chris: Yeah.

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So if you've made it this

far, you're a hardcore fan.

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And we just asked you to share

this episode with a friend.

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And, uh Yeah, go support

your local cinema.

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Keep list keep

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Jerome: It's been so long,

I forgot my sign off.

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Keep drinking and keep watching.

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I fucking forgot my sign off!

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That's how long it's been!

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Yes.

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Until next time.

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I'm ashamed.

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Good night, all.

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Chris: That's a good place to end it.

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Ha ha ha.

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Born and raised in Metro Detroit, Michigan. Graduate of Columbia College Chicago with a degree in Film/Screenwriting. Have lived in California since 2001. I enjoy screenwriting, script consulting and film analysis.
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