Are there Any Good Politicians? Dave (1993) vs The Campaign (2012)

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Hey, Chris here.

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drop during the: 2024

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it up for Inauguration Day.

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why I'm just having a hard time

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getting the turnaround time.

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and why don't you crack one open

and let's get this one started.

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You're listening to the

silver screen happy hour.

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I'm Chris Wiegand along with my brother,

Jerome present and accounted for.

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All right, I'm ready for this one.

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So, I guess one of the questions that

we've been kicking around as we were

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talking about the doing these two movies

is Are there any good politicians?

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Jerome: Well, wait, wait,

wait, you're burying the lead.

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Why did we even choose these movies?

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Chris: Well, I mean Who's

running for president?

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Jerome: We are in an election year.

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Chris: On both sides.

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Jerome: Right, but I mean, my point

is that it's an election year.

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Yeah, yeah, it's an election year.

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We are, as of today, we

are what, two months away?

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Less than.

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Chris: By the time I get this edited,

it'll probably be election night.

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Jerome: We should release

this on election night.

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So yeah, we did choose two political

movies, and we stand, we pose the question

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that we are thinking of ourselves.

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Are there any good politicians?

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Chris: So and I think this is a great

pairing to answer that question as far as

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comedy goes because right now Politics is

straight up comedy straight comedy to me.

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I'm like real life politics.

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It's just crazy It's crazy times

we live in but for our audience's

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sake We're not going to be actually

talking about real politics.

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You're welcome.

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Exactly.

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You'll thank us later.

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So so where should we start?

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Let's start with what are you drinking?

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Jerome: Well, as you know, I brought

this out for the John Wick episode.

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because it was so good.

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I still haven't finished the bottle yet.

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But, but I know because it's,

it's rather pricey stuff, but

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it's a nice bottle of Blanton's.

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And I brought this out today because in

the movies, both movies, you often see

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People drinking the high end whiskey,

because that's what politicians do, right?

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Sure.

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They get together to carve up this

country amongst themselves, and

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they do it over a glass of whiskey.

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So here we go.

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Hang on.

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Hang on.

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Chris: That's a nice looking bottle.

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I like that bottle.

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Is that a horse on the,

on the cork, on the top?

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It

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Jerome: is.

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It is a horse.

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And remember, it was actually

in the movie John Wick.

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Right.

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Which is why I chose it for that podcast.

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Yeah.

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All right, here we go.

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Chris: Oh yeah.

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I'm, man.

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I love me some whiskey.

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And I'm not drinking whiskey today.

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Jerome: No?

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Chris: No man.

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I had enough whiskey for the week at

the wedding I went to on Saturday,

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but that's not for this conversation.

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I actually decided uh, this is

political comedies and in politics

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you have banquets, you have champagne.

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And so I decided I'm drinking some bubbly

today, something I don't normally do.

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Whaaaaat?

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So, this is a bottle my wife

opened yesterday because she

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had some girlfriends over.

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There it is.

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Jerome: I like how you're drinking

the girlfriend's leftover wine.

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Chris: Well, you know.

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Jerome: Girl's night out.

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Chris: My wife doesn't normally

drink it, so it's just gonna

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go flat in our refrigerator.

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So here we go.

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Jerome: So if

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Chris: Gotta pour this slow.

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Jeez.

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This podcast.

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Jerome: Alright, so, I don't think

we even mentioned, of course the

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audience knows by now, hopefully,

the two movies we're talking about

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today are Dave and The Campaign.

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Chris: Yeah, and Dave and the

campaign, as we get into these

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comedies, I think answers the question,

Are there any good politicians?

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Or they attempt to.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's pretty good.

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Jerome: Alright, so I think

we should start with Dave.

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And the reason is, is because there's

more silly humor in the second film.

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Yeah.

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And as we go drinking, as this

podcast goes on, It'll be more.

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It gets funnier as it goes.

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Chris: Well, and that's maybe the problem.

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I'll just tip my hand right now.

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I did not like the campaign.

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And we'll get there, but I was sober when

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Jerome: I watched it.

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That's probably, that's the

problem, yeah, that's the problem.

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If

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Chris: I was watching it

with you drinking, I probably

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would have enjoyed it more.

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Well,

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Jerome: don't worry, movie goers agreed

with you, and we'll get to that too.

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Alright, go for it.

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Okay, Dave, here's the specs.

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1993, directed by Ivan

Reitman, written by Gary Ross.

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Running time of 1 hour 50 minutes

with a budget of 28 million.

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It was released on May 7th, 1993,

and made 63 million worldwide, which

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was good for 16th place that year,

falling behind films like Philadelphia,

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Groundhog Day, and Grumpy Old Men,

but finished ahead of Demolition

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Man, Tombstone, and Falling Down.

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So we, it's 93, we already talked

about 93 when we did the True

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Romance episode, so you already know.

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What the number one movie of the year

was Jurassic Park Jurassic Park, but

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I'm gonna add a new flavor to the

list I am going to ask you if you

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can name the top five movies of the

entire 90s no The decade of the night.

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I'm not gonna

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Chris: try top five.

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Okay Titanic

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Jerome: Titanic was number one

And I'm sure you can guess number

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two because you just said it

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Chris: Forrest Gump or Jurassic Park

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Jerome: Jurassic Park

So Forrest Gump's got to

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Chris: be in there though

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Jerome: Forrest Gump is not in the

top five, but wait, there's, there's

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funny trivia that connects to that.

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But for the entire nineties, Titanic

is one, Jurassic Park is two.

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Chris: The Matrix.

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Jerome: Give me the other three.

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Chris: No.

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No, that was better.

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I mean, that probably

went bigger on video.

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What else?

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That was somewhere

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Jerome: around seven or eight on the

list, if I can remember correctly.

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Now, remember, this is

Saving Private Ryan.

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This is worldwide gross.

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No.

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No?

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Dang.

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You're missing two obvious ones.

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There's one I don't think you'll get,

but you're missing two obvious ones that

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I know you know and would kick yourself.

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Yeah, I mean, JFK?

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Chris: That wasn't that big.

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No,

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Jerome: no, no,

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Chris: no, no.

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What, I, I, just, just tell us.

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Jerome: Think of the force.

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Think lightsabers.

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Chris: In the

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Jerome: 90s?

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Hello?

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What was the most

anticipated film of all time?

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Was that in

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Chris: 99?

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Jerome: Yes, The Phantom Menace.

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Chris: have that in my head as 2000.

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So The

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Jerome: Phantom Menace was the

third highest grossing worldwide

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film of the decade of the 90s.

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I

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Chris: can see that.

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Jerome: Okay.

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I don't think you'll get number four,

so we'll get to that in a second.

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But you gotta know number five.

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This was another space oriented movie.

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Think of disaster films.

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Independence Day.

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Independence Day was number 5.

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That was a big summer

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Chris: blockbuster.

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Jerome: Number 4, I don't think you'd

get if you sat here and named 20 movies.

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You'll be surprised, but

I'll give you a hint.

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It's animated.

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Chris: Lion King.

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Yes!

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I thought for

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Jerome: sure you were gonna say either

Beauty and the Beast or Toy Story.

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Lion King.

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Chris: since we're talking

about Star Wars and Lion King.

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Should we raise a glass right now?

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Jerome: Oh, yes, absolutely.

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That was yesterday, right?

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Chris: Yeah, we got the news yesterday.

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James Earl Jones has moved

on and joined the force.

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Jerome: He has absorbed into the force.

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Chris: Just to, man, raise this glass.

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And oddly enough,

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Jerome: 93 years old since

we're talking about: 1993

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James Earl Jones was 93,

and here's to you, James.

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I'm going to drink mine right

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Chris: now.

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Sorry for the slurp there, James.

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Jerome: Alright, so Lion King.

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So so here's the funny trivia

when you mention Forrest Gump.

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Lion King finished second

to Forrest Gump in 94.

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Oh my gosh.

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But, but the overall decade and

worldwide gross, Lion King surpassed

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it by the time the decade was over.

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Chris: Oh, that's funny.

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Jerome: So, yeah, so in that one single

year, and if you were to just do 94,

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Forrest Gump made more than Lion King.

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But since then, like, overall, The

Lion King has become the bigger movie.

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Chris: Hmm.

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Interesting.

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Jerome: Uh, Of the 90s.

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Okay, so let's get back to Dave.

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A movie that was not one of the

top five grossing of all time.

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Or at least of the 90s.

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Dave was nominated for one Academy Award.

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Best Original Screenplay, Gary Ross.

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But he lost to Jane Campion for The Piano.

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The other three nominees in the original

screenplay category that year were

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Sleepless in Seattle, Philadelphia,

and one of my personal favorites, In

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the Line of Fire with Clint Eastwood.

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So, a great year for original screenplays.

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Chris: Yeah.

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Jerome: Okay, Dave Stars, Kevin Kline

as Dave Kovic Bill oh, sorry, Dave Kovic

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slash Bill Mitchell, he plays both parts.

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Sigourney Weaver as Ellen Mitchell,

Frank Langella as Bob Alexander,

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Kevin Dunn as Alan Reed, Ving Rhames

as Dwayne Stevenson, Ben Kingsley as

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Vice President Nance, Laura Linney

in an early role for her as Randy,

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and Charles Grodin as Murray Blum.

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Chris: Yep.

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Jerome: Alright, when did

you first see this movie?

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Chris: Probably right after it came out.

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I don't think I saw it at the theater,

but I remember seeing it way back

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when, you know, I don't remember.

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I saw it on video.

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I've seen it on video several times.

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So just watched it

again a couple days ago.

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Jerome: Yeah.

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We were talking about in the, on the

true romance episode, how many times you

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and I had gone to the movies, not, not

together, but you know, with our friends.

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Sure.

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How many movies came out in 93?

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I mean, look at the ones I just mentioned.

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Chris: Yeah.

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Jerome: You know, Philadelphia,

Sleepers in Seattle, In the Line

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of Fire you know, Jurassic Park.

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Chris: back then we still had cable, so

these things eventually made it to cable.

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You know what I mean?

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Yes, yes.

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And I don't remember how

many times I've seen it.

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I know I've saw it several times

because I enjoyed this movie.

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And, you know, if it was on, I didn't

mind sitting down and watching it.

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Jerome: So I as well did

not see this in the theater.

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Again, it was just, you know,

one of the ones I missed.

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There was just so many

damn movies out in 93.

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Chris: Right.

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Jerome: And isn't that funny that

today's era, we live in a world of

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streaming to where I might go to

the movies three times all year.

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Chris: Isn't that crazy?

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Jerome: and, not only that, how many

big movies can we say there are?

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Like what, last year there was

Oppenheimer and Barbie were

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the two biggest ones, right?

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Everything else we got on streaming.

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Chris: I

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Jerome: mean, other than taking your

kids to see an animated film, and my

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kids are still small, I mean We don't, we

just don't do it like we did back then,

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you know, in 93, that's what you did.

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You, I, I think I, me and my

friends went to the movies every

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other Friday, if not every Friday.

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And you know, more than I did,

but I still, you know, you know,

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aside from seeing Jurassic Park

four times in the theater, there

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were still all these other films.

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Tombstone came out in 93.

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You know what I mean?

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Like,

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Chris: well, and plus

we grew up in Michigan.

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So in the winter, if you're not like,

Into outdoor sports in the winter.

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Yeah, you went to the movies.

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Jerome: Yeah, there was

only one thing to do.

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So on that note, I also did not see this

in the theater, but it came out on video.

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December 22nd was when it was on

VHS and I'm happy to say, Mom, if

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you're listening, this was one of

Mom and I's Friday night skips video

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rentals that we watched together.

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That's great.

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I remember this, it's I remember in the

movie Parenthood, in the beginning of the

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movie Parenthood, he called it an amalgam.

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where you have you know, 20 different

memories, but they're all kind of

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lopped together into one memory.

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Yeah, I have one memory of watching movies

with mom on Friday night from Skip's

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video, but I know that it happened from

the mid eighties to the mid nineties.

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Oh, it

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Chris: happened all the time.

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Yeah.

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Jerome: Yeah.

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Like that's all.

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We went to Skip's video on Fridays

and we rented it out weekly,

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Chris: multiple times a month.

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And

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Jerome: Skip would hold the new

releases for mom so that she would

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get her hands on the new releases.

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That's great.

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And Dave was one of them.

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So alright, log me.

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Chris: Alright.

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An uncanny presidential look like

named Dave is recruited by the Secret

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Service to become a momentary stand in

for the President of the United States.

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Pretty clean.

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Jerome: Yeah.

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Make sense?

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Chris: Yep.

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Jerome: Okay.

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And because it's billed as a comedy,

anybody reading that, if they, you

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know, looking through the newspaper

to see what movie you want to see

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this week, and they read that,

they're like, oh, that could be funny.

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Yeah, you know, I like Kevin

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Chris: Kline.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Jerome: Alright, let's do it.

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Alright, we have the beats.

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Which is ironic that I, you know,

anybody that listens to our podcast,

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I say it like that every week.

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Every time we do this, I say every week.

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Every time we do this.

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And it's a play on We Have the Meats.

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And it's Ving Rhames voice that

does that in the Arby's commercial.

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Chris: We need to get

him to do our podcast.

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Oh

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Jerome: god, Ving Rhames,

I know you're listening.

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Oh, that'd be great.

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Of course you are.

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: 00:13:54

Can you do the We Have the

Beats the way you do We Have the

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: 00:13:57

Meats for the Arby's commercial?

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: 00:13:58

That'd be awesome,

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: 00:13:58

Chris: man.

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: 00:13:59

That'd make me hungry, though.

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: 00:14:00

Oh, I know.

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: 00:14:01

That would be

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Jerome: so good.

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: 00:14:03

All right.

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: 00:14:04

Once again, if you're, if you're listening

for the RV should sponsor this episode

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: 00:14:07

now, they should Arby's and Blanton's,

there's our, there's our sponsors.

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: 00:14:14

So if you are listening to our podcast for

the first time, you know that when I say

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the beats, we're talking a lot about Blake

Snyder and his save the cat beat sheets.

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: 00:14:22

We will also reference.

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: 00:14:23

We usually do.

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Writing techniques from the

other big giants, the Sid Fields

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and, you know Robert McKee.

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But, the, the, the big

one is Blake Snyder.

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That's what this a lot of these

the podcast notes come from.

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Yeah.

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So here are the beats.

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Opening image!

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So the opening credits appear over

the vast landscapes of Washington, D.

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C.

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Every monument, every historical site you

can think of, and this is going to serve

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as a perfect bookend to the closing shot.

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Alright, set up.

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There's a lot of set up in

the first seven minutes.

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That's my brother peeing right now.

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: 00:15:01

He didn't want to go to the

bathroom, so he's peeing.

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: 00:15:04

Alright, go for it.

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: 00:15:05

Alright.

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: 00:15:06

Alright, so in the first seven minutes,

Dave is introduced, the fact that he

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runs a temp agency does side gigs as a

presidential impersonator, the fact that

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he rides a bike, all these things are

like they're gonna be paid off later.

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: 00:15:18

He's a nice guy the whole save the cat

thing where Dave you know, the main

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character, one of Blake Snyder's things,

but where he got the title of his books

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from save the cat is that your protagonist

should do something early in the movie.

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: 00:15:30

That's good.

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: 00:15:31

That gets your, the audience

wanting to root for him, right?

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: 00:15:33

Chris: Right.

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: 00:15:34

Jerome: Well, Dave finds Lola

a job in like the first few

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: 00:15:37

minutes of the movie, right?

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: 00:15:38

He works in a temp

agency and she's crying.

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: 00:15:41

Chris: Doesn't he manage it or own it?

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: 00:15:42

Yeah,

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: 00:15:43

Jerome: he runs it.

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: 00:15:43

Yeah, it's, it's, it's Kovic.

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: 00:15:45

Kovic temps is the name of the business.

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: 00:15:46

Chris: So it's his.

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: 00:15:47

Jerome: Yeah, it's his, but,

but so that's what he does.

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: 00:15:49

Yeah.

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: 00:15:50

Right.

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: 00:15:50

We also get an intro to his friend,

Murray, who helps him out by hiring the

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people that he needs to get jobs for.

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But also what I thought was interesting is

intercut in the middle of all this is at

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the same time we meet President Mitchell,

who essentially does the opposite.

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: 00:16:04

He kills the cat.

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: 00:16:07

Because when he, you know,

when he wants to get rid of

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the homeless shelters, right?

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: 00:16:11

Chris: Right off the bat, you

know who you're rooting for.

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: 00:16:13

Jerome: Yeah, yeah.

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: 00:16:14

So.

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: 00:16:15

Exactly.

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: 00:16:15

So it's a perfect contrast.

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: 00:16:17

I thought that was genius.

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: 00:16:18

Yeah.

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: 00:16:18

That while, while, while Dave is saving

the cat Bill Mitchell is killing the cat.

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: 00:16:23

Cause he's just a dick, right?

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: 00:16:25

Yeah.

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: 00:16:25

So, and I guess it goes with

our Our question for today,

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: 00:16:31

are there any good politicians?

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: 00:16:33

We know that this guy is a

career politician because

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: 00:16:37

of how he treats people.

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: 00:16:39

Right.

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: 00:16:39

All right.

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: 00:16:40

Uh,

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: 00:16:40

Chris: And he shows like in the

opening scene, how he puts on a

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: 00:16:44

face for the crowd, but then he

immediately turns it off when he.

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: 00:16:49

It gets behind closed doors.

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: 00:16:50

Jerome: The way he throws the dog leashes.

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: 00:16:53

What an asshole!

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: 00:16:54

Right?

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: 00:16:55

They give him his, he gets off the

presidential helicopter, they walk his

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: 00:16:58

cute little dogs over to him, he takes

the leashes, smiles to the crowd, walks

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: 00:17:03

the dogs, and then when he gets inside the

White House, he throws the leashes, like,

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: 00:17:06

get these fucking animals away from me.

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: 00:17:08

Like, so, it's a perfect setup.

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: 00:17:10

And, and here is something

I wanted to notate.

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: 00:17:14

They had to do it this way for it to work.

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: 00:17:16

Yeah.

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: 00:17:17

If the president was a nice guy.

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: 00:17:19

This movie doesn't work.

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: 00:17:20

Right.

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: 00:17:21

Right.

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: 00:17:21

The only reason this, this movie works

so well is because we root for Dave.

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: 00:17:26

We wouldn't root for Dave as much

if the president was also cool.

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: 00:17:30

You know, right,

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: 00:17:30

Chris: right, right.

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: 00:17:31

Jerome: So in the first seven

minutes we meet we also meet the

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: 00:17:33

two sidekicks of the president, his

chief of staff, Bob Alexander and

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: 00:17:36

communications director, Alan Reed.

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: 00:17:38

As well as Dwayne, Dwayne Stevenson,

the head of the Secret Service,

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: 00:17:41

agent played by Ving Rhames.

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: 00:17:43

All right, theme stated

at eight minutes in.

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: 00:17:46

The theme also kicks off our four point

push as it starts the inciting incident.

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: 00:17:52

They kind of both happen at the same time.

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: 00:17:54

The president occasionally uses

impersonators and stand ins to do

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: 00:17:57

hand waving while he is securely moved

out of places and into other places.

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: 00:18:02

Dwayne presents all this to Dave and says,

quote, Your government needs your help.

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: 00:18:07

This will not only be Dave's ongoing theme

and the central question throughout the

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: 00:18:11

film, but it also is kind of a jump on

the tangible goal to the spiritual goal.

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: 00:18:17

We're gonna get more on that later,

but in the immediate, the central

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: 00:18:20

question is, Can the little guy

make a difference in the country?

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: 00:18:24

Right.

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: 00:18:24

Right?

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: 00:18:25

That's Dave's central question.

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: 00:18:27

They're asking him for help.

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: 00:18:29

So that's going to be the theme of the

film and Dave's journey is going to help

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: 00:18:32

us answer it as well as our question

that you and I pose to each other.

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: 00:18:36

All right, four point push.

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: 00:18:37

We already mentioned

the inciting incident.

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: 00:18:39

That's when Dwayne kind of crashes

into Dave's before world and asks

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: 00:18:43

him for help to do stand in work.

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: 00:18:46

Dave agrees and he does the hand

waving at the Monroe hotel while

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: 00:18:50

the real president is off presiding

over some serious cave drilling.

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: 00:18:55

Sorry, that was a metaphor.

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: 00:18:56

By the way, also in this scene, we

start to see a little the promises of

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: 00:19:00

the premise as Dave tries out the theme

of the little guy making a difference.

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: 00:19:04

You're going to see this

peppered throughout the movie.

482

: 00:19:06

So in this part, he's walking like as

the president, everybody's behind him.

483

: 00:19:10

And he just stops to see if

everybody else will stop too.

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: 00:19:13

And they do.

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: 00:19:16

And they all look at him

like, why are you stopping?

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: 00:19:17

And then he starts walking again, right?

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: 00:19:19

So it's a little things like that.

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: 00:19:20

Like, can the little guy

really change things?

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: 00:19:22

Like, can, can the little

guy make a difference?

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: 00:19:24

What's

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: 00:19:24

Chris: cool about those opening

scenes too, when he is first

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: 00:19:27

impersonating the president is that.

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: 00:19:30

It's so relatable.

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: 00:19:31

Like I would feel that way.

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: 00:19:33

I would be weirded out by it.

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: 00:19:34

Right.

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: 00:19:35

Cause you know, who am I?

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: 00:19:36

Right.

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: 00:19:36

So it's very relatable.

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: 00:19:38

Jerome: We're going to get a couple

of those throughout the whole film.

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: 00:19:40

Like there's several of them.

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: 00:19:41

Also when he goes to do this hand

waving, he gets kind of, loses control of

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: 00:19:45

himself, and he yells out, God bless you!

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: 00:19:48

God bless America!

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: 00:19:52

But anyway, he wasn't supposed to talk, he

was given direction not to say anything.

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: 00:19:56

But, but he couldn't get,

he couldn't hold it in.

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: 00:19:58

Alright, so, Catalyst, 16 minutes in.

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: 00:20:00

This was the serious cave

drilling I was alluding to.

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: 00:20:03

While the president is cheating

on his wife with Brandy, the White

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: 00:20:06

House secretary Oh, by the way,

she was also introduced earlier

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: 00:20:09

in the first seven minutes.

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: 00:20:11

So, a lot happens in that first sentence.

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: 00:20:13

I forgot to mention, we did

introduce Brandy as well.

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: 00:20:16

That's Laura Linney's character.

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: 00:20:18

He has a stroke.

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: 00:20:19

A bad one.

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: 00:20:21

Yeah.

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: 00:20:22

Like, hit both sides of his brain.

519

: 00:20:24

Yep.

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: 00:20:24

Alright, debate begins.

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: 00:20:26

Eighteen minutes in.

522

: 00:20:27

Bob and Alan hatch a plan for secrecy and

decide to keep the country in the dark.

523

: 00:20:32

At least for the short term.

524

: 00:20:33

Then of course they pitch this To Dave

in this great sort of like, quote,

525

: 00:20:38

unquote, the country is sick and you're

going to get her to the hospital speech.

526

: 00:20:41

That's a great scene.

527

: 00:20:42

They're sitting down on the couch

like, have you ever run a red light?

528

: 00:20:45

And he's all, I don't know,

maybe he doesn't want to answer.

529

: 00:20:49

And they're like, well, what

if you're, what if it was at

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: 00:20:51

night and there's nobody around?

531

: 00:20:53

How about then?

532

: 00:20:53

He's like, I don't know.

533

: 00:20:55

I don't know.

534

: 00:20:55

Like he still doesn't want to answer.

535

: 00:20:56

Like, well, what if your mom

was in the car and she was sick?

536

: 00:20:59

You'd do it then.

537

: 00:21:00

Right?

538

: 00:21:00

He's like, yeah.

539

: 00:21:01

Yeah.

540

: 00:21:01

Then, then I guess I would do it.

541

: 00:21:02

They're like, Dave, the

whole country is in the car.

542

: 00:21:08

So the country is sick and you're

going to get her to the hospital.

543

: 00:21:10

So that's the debate.

544

: 00:21:12

And then break into two is where they're

basically showing him around at night.

545

: 00:21:16

And while Dave is in awe and feeling

very insecure there's another emotional

546

: 00:21:20

push and pull moment where he almost

gets the, the little man can't make

547

: 00:21:24

a difference because he looks out the

window and he goes, Whoa, at this site.

548

: 00:21:29

And then when he sits on the end

of the bed, he sees the painting

549

: 00:21:31

of George Washington and a look of.

550

: 00:21:34

Terror comes across his face.

551

: 00:21:35

Like, what the fuck am I doing here,

552

: 00:21:37

Chris: man?

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: 00:21:38

Jerome: So, so, you know, so that's

sort of that again, that emotional

554

: 00:21:42

tug of war, the push and pull.

555

: 00:21:43

I think the definitive moment of breaking

into act two though, in this scene is

556

: 00:21:48

that almost exactly at the 25 minute mark,

he's standing in front of the mirror and

557

: 00:21:52

he's practicing the impersonation skills

because he picked up the phone, right?

558

: 00:21:56

As soon as he picks up the phone.

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: 00:21:58

, the guy on the other end

automatically goes, yes, Mr.

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: 00:22:00

President.

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: 00:22:01

And he goes nothing goodnight.

562

: 00:22:02

And he hangs up . So now he's

standing in front of the mirror and

563

: 00:22:05

he is practicing his impersonation.

564

: 00:22:06

He is all nothing goodnight,

you know, . So I feel like

565

: 00:22:10

that's the definitive moment.

566

: 00:22:11

'cause at that point I could be wrong.

567

: 00:22:13

Other people might have a different one.

568

: 00:22:14

I think that's the definitive point,

because he's in now, he might be insecure

569

: 00:22:18

and scared, but he's he's agreed to do it.

570

: 00:22:20

Yeah.

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: 00:22:20

Yeah.

572

: 00:22:20

Right.

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: 00:22:20

He's, he's all in.

574

: 00:22:22

So we're now getting into the

upside down world of Act two.

575

: 00:22:25

Starts in fun and games act two begins

with Alan's press conference telling the

576

: 00:22:29

world about the president's mild stroke

Bob lays out his plan to take over.

577

: 00:22:34

This is privately after

the press conference.

578

: 00:22:36

At the 27 minute mark, Bob says, quote,

I just hope this Yutz can pull it off.

579

: 00:22:42

End quote.

580

: 00:22:42

Again, a little man reference, right?

581

: 00:22:45

Can the little, can

the little man do this?

582

: 00:22:46

Can a little man make a difference?

583

: 00:22:48

Also in that scene, Bob is drinking scotch

while Alan is drinking Alka Seltzer.

584

: 00:22:52

I think this is clever.

585

: 00:22:54

This is not an accident.

586

: 00:22:55

This is done on purpose.

587

: 00:22:56

It's setting up between the two of them,

which is the one with the conscience.

588

: 00:23:00

Chris: Yeah, yeah.

589

: 00:23:00

And,

590

: 00:23:00

Jerome: and which one is the

one with the bad guy, right?

591

: 00:23:03

Which one is the bad guy,

which one's the good guy?

592

: 00:23:04

Bob is the shark, and Alan is the one

that feels remorse, fear, and regret

593

: 00:23:09

almost immediately for what they're doing.

594

: 00:23:11

In fact, I want to say that scene

opens with him on the couch, and

595

: 00:23:14

he goes, Do you have any idea how

many different laws we've broken?

596

: 00:23:19

Chris: Oh, they'd be in jail forever.

597

: 00:23:20

Jerome: Oh, dude.

598

: 00:23:21

Hahaha.

599

: 00:23:22

So, okay so a funny moment in this segment

as well they tell Dave to call his job.

600

: 00:23:28

And tell him he's not going to be there

for a month because he fell in love and

601

: 00:23:30

he's going away on a month long holiday.

602

: 00:23:32

Yeah.

603

: 00:23:33

When he calls the temp agency to talk

to his secretary, the, this is one of

604

: 00:23:37

my favorite lines of the whole movie.

605

: 00:23:38

He goes, she's re he's making up

that he met someone and he goes,

606

: 00:23:42

oh, yeah, she's real exotic.

607

: 00:23:44

She's Polynesian.

608

: 00:23:45

Well, half Polynesian, half American.

609

: 00:23:47

She's amnesian.

610

: 00:23:50

I gotta say, man, when I saw this in

93, sitting on the couch with mom,

611

: 00:23:54

Chris: Amnesian.

612

: 00:23:55

Jerome: I busted out laughing

like that was for an 18 year old.

613

: 00:23:59

That's comic gold right there, you know.

614

: 00:24:01

I just thought that was so funny.

615

: 00:24:02

All right.

616

: 00:24:03

B story.

617

: 00:24:04

When does the B story come in, Chris?

618

: 00:24:05

Usually about how long?

619

: 00:24:07

Halfway.

620

: 00:24:08

How about No, you always say that.

621

: 00:24:10

You always say that and you

always ask, and I always ask.

622

: 00:24:14

I don't know why.

623

: 00:24:15

At the 34 minute mark, usually

about a half hour in, so you

624

: 00:24:18

got the half part, right?

625

: 00:24:19

Just not halfway, half hour.

626

: 00:24:20

Half hour.

627

: 00:24:21

Chris: That's what it was.

628

: 00:24:21

All right.

629

: 00:24:22

Jerome: At the 34 minute mark

we're officially introduced to the

630

: 00:24:25

first lady, even though she did

make a brief appearance earlier.

631

: 00:24:27

Like with the dog leash thing.

632

: 00:24:29

Yeah, she was there.

633

: 00:24:31

But we don't really meet her, you

know, so this is where we actually

634

: 00:24:34

are introduced to Ellen Mitchell.

635

: 00:24:36

Who shows up for a media hand

waving that she hates to do.

636

: 00:24:40

Ellen serves the B story because she

will drive Dave to his spiritual goal.

637

: 00:24:45

Funny moment, his first lines on

screen are I'm sorry, her first lines

638

: 00:24:48

as soon as she walks in the door.

639

: 00:24:50

He's just seeing her for the first time,

and the first thing she says is, Why can't

640

: 00:24:54

you die from a stroke like everyone else?

641

: 00:24:56

I know, I love that.

642

: 00:24:59

Uh, Okay, and so, and then they, they

kind of do this like, Weird, like

643

: 00:25:03

Cyrano de Bergerac thing, where they're

like feeding him lines, And he's

644

: 00:25:06

on the balcony, reciting the lines?

645

: 00:25:09

And then he gets distracted,

and they're like, Cause the, the

646

: 00:25:12

media keeps asking questions, And

they're like, Go, just go, go, go!

647

: 00:25:15

And he goes, Go, go, go!

648

: 00:25:18

Yeah.

649

: 00:25:18

Why?

650

: 00:25:20

Everyone's confused.

651

: 00:25:21

Alright, more fun and games.

652

: 00:25:23

Ellen's in Ellen notices little changes.

653

: 00:25:25

So this is something else that's gonna

be peppered throughout the movie, Is

654

: 00:25:27

little times Ellen notices something.

655

: 00:25:30

Chris: Mm hmm.

656

: 00:25:31

Jerome: That makes her think

something's up with this impersonator.

657

: 00:25:35

Remember, she still thinks it's him.

658

: 00:25:36

She still thinks it's her husband.

659

: 00:25:39

Chris: But,

660

: 00:25:39

Jerome: but during the fun and games

scene, there's, there's a scene segment.

661

: 00:25:43

There's a scene where he's out

on the lawn playing with dogs and

662

: 00:25:46

she's on the balcony watching.

663

: 00:25:47

This is later than this

press conference part.

664

: 00:25:50

And, and.

665

: 00:25:52

They kind of have a shot of her like

she's taking interest in it because the

666

: 00:25:56

husband never plays with the dogs He

hates the dogs, you know what I mean?

667

: 00:25:59

So it's during this montage of Dave

adjusting to presidential life So that's

668

: 00:26:03

one thing right there where Ellen notices

a change at the 42 minute mark He has

669

: 00:26:08

a late night sandwich with Dwayne.

670

: 00:26:10

This is a double setup and payoff for

later for both the sandwich and Dwayne.

671

: 00:26:15

They're both gonna have

a payoff later from this.

672

: 00:26:18

After confirming that Dwayne's

job is about taking a bullet for

673

: 00:26:21

the president, Dave asks, So,

now you'd take a bullet for me?

674

: 00:26:25

Yeah, right.

675

: 00:26:27

And Dwayne's hesitant in answering.

676

: 00:26:29

He doesn't answer, as a matter of fact.

677

: 00:26:31

He just looks at him.

678

: 00:26:32

Right, and Dave is frightened.

679

: 00:26:34

No, he doesn't just look at him.

680

: 00:26:36

You can tell that he's uncertain.

681

: 00:26:38

Dave not Dave, Dwayne.

682

: 00:26:39

Dwayne's like, I don't know if I

would like you're just a nobody, you

683

: 00:26:44

know, so because he can't answer it.

684

: 00:26:46

Dave's kind of like what the fuck

like he's kind of frightened.

685

: 00:26:50

All right.

686

: 00:26:51

So meanwhile, while this is going on,

Bob and Alan discussed dropping the first

687

: 00:26:54

Liberty scandal on the vice president and

how Dave's poll numbers are skyrocketing.

688

: 00:26:59

Bob says.

689

: 00:27:00

quote, Alan, you still

need to control this guy.

690

: 00:27:02

Again, there is no wasted

line in this movie, right?

691

: 00:27:05

Even those little throwaway

lines are important.

692

: 00:27:09

You know, that's a sign that Bob foresees

that this could become a problem.

693

: 00:27:13

You know, the old Bill Mitchell

was a dick and he had unlike

694

: 00:27:16

ability, but Dave is very likable.

695

: 00:27:20

His poll numbers skyrocketing could

be a problem for Bob and his plan.

696

: 00:27:25

So Bob's starting to get worried.

697

: 00:27:29

Alright, case in point.

698

: 00:27:30

Dave gets some savagely good media

coverage when he visits a homeless shelter

699

: 00:27:34

and does a magic trick for the child.

700

: 00:27:36

The very homeless shelter

that Bill Mitchell, the

701

: 00:27:38

president, wanted to get rid of.

702

: 00:27:41

This starts with Ellen

noticing another little change.

703

: 00:27:44

Her husband never did shit like

this Also in the car going there

704

: 00:27:48

before we even get to the homeless

shelter her skirt Sort of falls off

705

: 00:27:52

her knee and he notices her legs.

706

: 00:27:55

She notices him noticing her legs,

707

: 00:27:57

Chris: right?

708

: 00:27:58

Jerome: You know, that's a change.

709

: 00:28:00

She'll say later that he he

stopped looking years ago.

710

: 00:28:03

So she's noticing little changes

Okay, Dave bonds with Dwayne afterward

711

: 00:28:10

after the The homeless shelter scene.

712

: 00:28:13

And while he's doing

that, Bob vetoes the bill.

713

: 00:28:16

Yeah.

714

: 00:28:16

So Forging the name of the president.

715

: 00:28:18

Forging the name, right.

716

: 00:28:19

And, and he vetoes the bill.

717

: 00:28:20

Because after all, why would he

want to save a homeless shelter?

718

: 00:28:24

He, they wanted to kill it from the

first, the first two minutes of the movie,

719

: 00:28:27

the president wanted to kill this bill.

720

: 00:28:29

What?

721

: 00:28:29

I was just going to say,

722

: 00:28:30

Chris: there's some, We're not going

to get into politics, but there's

723

: 00:28:34

some strikingly similar things to what

conspiracy theorists today would say has

724

: 00:28:39

been going on in the current White House.

725

: 00:28:42

Other people pulling the

strings and running the show.

726

: 00:28:44

If

727

: 00:28:44

Jerome: you think that Is

evident of what's going on today?

728

: 00:28:47

Wait till we get to the campaign.

729

: 00:28:49

Ha, no!

730

: 00:28:49

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

731

: 00:28:51

That one has got today's

politics wreaked all over it.

732

: 00:28:56

Alright, so anyway okay.

733

: 00:28:57

Damn, where did I leave off now?

734

: 00:28:59

Alright, so yeah, so he

vetoes the bill, right?

735

: 00:29:02

This is another moment where Ellen visibly

notices a difference in her husband when

736

: 00:29:06

she goes to yell at him in the bathroom.

737

: 00:29:08

He's in the shower.

738

: 00:29:09

Naked.

739

: 00:29:09

She demands he turn around and

when he turns around, she kind

740

: 00:29:13

of like looks at his dick.

741

: 00:29:15

Like, like it breaks her concentration.

742

: 00:29:17

But they never say why, in fact later No,

743

: 00:29:19

Chris: they do, they do say why.

744

: 00:29:22

Jerome: No, no, no, later he

says, when, when we'll get to it.

745

: 00:29:25

Well, they allude

746

: 00:29:25

Chris: to him having an erection.

747

: 00:29:28

Cause she said, er, something,

it happens, you know.

748

: 00:29:33

Jerome: I, no, I think, well,

what, what confused me is later.

749

: 00:29:36

When after she finds out he

says was it the shower is that

750

: 00:29:40

when you knew and she said no

751

: 00:29:42

Chris: And she says it

752

: 00:29:42

Jerome: was something else In fact, she

says it was the limo where he looked at

753

: 00:29:46

her legs So so I think she's not alluding

that there was any difference, but the

754

: 00:29:50

fact that they literally show her breaking

her concentration It makes you wonder.

755

: 00:29:55

Chris: Yeah, was

756

: 00:29:55

Jerome: he erect or did he

just have a bigger dick?

757

: 00:29:58

Chris: Well, she act there's a line

though that that I know that that's

758

: 00:30:01

the the thing but There's a line where

I think she says it happens like and I

759

: 00:30:08

took that as oh, he's he's getting larger

760

: 00:30:12

Jerome: I don't remember her saying that

761

: 00:30:14

Chris: we'll have to go back and look.

762

: 00:30:15

All right, gotta watch it again Anyway,

and unfortunately, I didn't buy it

763

: 00:30:19

so I can't just look it up right now

764

: 00:30:22

Jerome: Alright, so another element

of Promise of the Premise of the,

765

: 00:30:24

Can the Little Guy Make a Difference?

766

: 00:30:26

When Dave tells Dwayne to call Bob and

Alan, Dwayne says, It's: 1030

767

: 00:30:30

Dave looks at him, like he

just gives him a look, right?

768

: 00:30:33

Chris: Yeah.

769

: 00:30:33

Jerome: And Dwayne says, Okay.

770

: 00:30:35

And he goes to call.

771

: 00:30:36

So again, he's still not the president.

772

: 00:30:38

Right.

773

: 00:30:38

He's just a guy.

774

: 00:30:39

Right.

775

: 00:30:39

But now even Dwayne is

taking orders from him.

776

: 00:30:42

Chris: So this,

777

: 00:30:43

Jerome: Culminates in a testy scene with

Bob and Dave where Bob tells him if he can

778

: 00:30:47

cut 650 million from the federal budget,

he can keep his lousy homeless shelter.

779

: 00:30:53

And before he leaves, he also

sends him a very pointed note,

780

: 00:30:56

don't you ever send for me again.

781

: 00:30:59

So, it's a beautiful sequence because

the emotional tug of war is there.

782

: 00:31:03

One scene he's delivering the

theme with the magic trick to the

783

: 00:31:05

kid, and the next scene, Bob swats

him back down to reality, right?

784

: 00:31:09

Like, when he says, don't ever

send for me again, he's letting

785

: 00:31:11

him know you're a nobody.

786

: 00:31:12

Yeah, right.

787

: 00:31:13

You're not the president.

788

: 00:31:14

So, so that's that push and

pull of emotion that Dave's

789

: 00:31:17

going through some scenes.

790

: 00:31:18

He feels empowered other scenes.

791

: 00:31:20

He feels dwarfed mostly by

Bob, but he feels dwarfed.

792

: 00:31:24

So then in the next scene, Dave pulls

that emotional shift right back as

793

: 00:31:29

we get to the midpoint scene after

meeting with Murray at the 55 minute

794

: 00:31:33

mark, Dave comes up with a way to

trim 650 million from the budget in

795

: 00:31:38

order to keep the homeless shelter.

796

: 00:31:40

Talk about the theme of the little

guy that can make a difference.

797

: 00:31:43

I mean, like,

798

: 00:31:44

Chris: right,

799

: 00:31:44

Jerome: this is what I meant earlier about

how the beats are very clean in this.

800

: 00:31:48

This is clearly accomplishing

the tangible goal.

801

: 00:31:51

Chris: It's a great screenplay.

802

: 00:31:52

Jerome: Yeah.

803

: 00:31:54

Nailing it.

804

: 00:31:55

Again, nominated for an Oscar.

805

: 00:31:57

So the tangible goal is what Dave wants.

806

: 00:32:00

He wants to help, and he

achieves that at the midpoint.

807

: 00:32:03

But as we all know, it's a false

victory, because more shit's

808

: 00:32:06

gonna steamroll down afterwards.

809

: 00:32:08

More on this scene later, but I

don't wanna get into it right now,

810

: 00:32:12

I'll get into it a little bit later.

811

: 00:32:13

Alright, bad guys closing in

immediately after Bob is pissed

812

: 00:32:17

and Alan puts him on notice.

813

: 00:32:18

I like that scene too.

814

: 00:32:20

Bob's like, you know, I'll, I'll

have him sent to prison and I'll lock

815

: 00:32:23

him up forever and then Alan goes,

then we'll all go to jail together.

816

: 00:32:26

Yeah.

817

: 00:32:26

You know, and that

stops Bob in his tracks.

818

: 00:32:28

He realizes like, what the fuck

is, oh, you're going to roll on me.

819

: 00:32:32

And basically that's

what Alan's telling him.

820

: 00:32:33

You talk, I'll talk.

821

: 00:32:35

Right.

822

: 00:32:35

All right.

823

: 00:32:35

Ellen discovers Dave is not the president.

824

: 00:32:38

And while some consider this an

all is lost moment, it's not.

825

: 00:32:42

I, I feel that some people would consider

this the all is lost moment because

826

: 00:32:45

it changes the direction of the story.

827

: 00:32:47

But I just think it's yet another beat.

828

: 00:32:49

I don't think I think

Ellen is the B story.

829

: 00:32:52

And her goal is to drive

Dave to his spiritual goal.

830

: 00:32:54

Yeah.

831

: 00:32:55

So she's gonna have to know eventually.

832

: 00:32:57

Yeah.

833

: 00:32:57

You know what I mean?

834

: 00:32:57

Yeah.

835

: 00:32:58

I agree with

836

: 00:32:58

Chris: you on that.

837

: 00:33:00

Jerome: I know what the all

838

: 00:33:01

Chris: is lost is.

839

: 00:33:02

Jerome: Yeah.

840

: 00:33:02

Yeah.

841

: 00:33:03

So this is just a, this is just a blip

in sort of the, the bad guys closing

842

: 00:33:07

in another promise to the premise.

843

: 00:33:08

Dave explains to Ellen.

844

: 00:33:10

I never wanted to hurt anybody.

845

: 00:33:11

The fact, in fact, I

thought I was helping.

846

: 00:33:14

He's basically saying right there, the

gold goal from the whole, the whole time.

847

: 00:33:17

Ellen sees her husband, knows he's

gonna die, and she wants to leave.

848

: 00:33:22

Dave talks her into leaving together,

but while they're out having a

849

: 00:33:25

sandwich, there's the payoff.

850

: 00:33:26

He makes her his famous sandwich.

851

: 00:33:29

From earlier, the one he had with Dwayne.

852

: 00:33:30

Yep.

853

: 00:33:31

Oddly enough, if you notice,

Dwayne doesn't eat the

854

: 00:33:33

sandwich that Dave makes him.

855

: 00:33:35

He makes him his famous sandwich, and

it just sits there in front of him.

856

: 00:33:37

He doesn't eat it.

857

: 00:33:38

But Ellen does.

858

: 00:33:40

All right.

859

: 00:33:41

So, and that's also kind of

metaphorical too, if you think

860

: 00:33:43

about it, like, cause in the scene

with Dwayne, he's pitching to him.

861

: 00:33:49

I'm the president now, kind

of, so you should step in front

862

: 00:33:53

of a bullet for me too, right?

863

: 00:33:55

Dwayne doesn't eat the sandwich.

864

: 00:33:56

He's making a statement there.

865

: 00:33:58

You're not the president.

866

: 00:33:59

I'm not eating what you're serving.

867

: 00:34:01

But Ellen, when he starts talking

to Ellen about things that he

868

: 00:34:04

wanted to do and that he wanted to

help, she's eating the sandwich.

869

: 00:34:07

It's almost like a metaphor of, I am, I'm

giving you my spiel and you're eating it.

870

: 00:34:12

Yeah, sure.

871

: 00:34:14

That's actually,

872

: 00:34:15

Chris: I didn't consider that.

873

: 00:34:16

Yeah.

874

: 00:34:16

Jerome: Yeah, the sandwich is important.

875

: 00:34:18

Chris: Yeah, that works.

876

: 00:34:18

Jerome: So so she fulfills the B story

role around the one hour, ten minute

877

: 00:34:22

mark when she asks Dave if he really

was the president, what would he do?

878

: 00:34:26

And as a temp agency manager,

he immediately thinks of

879

: 00:34:28

a job proposal, right?

880

: 00:34:30

So both, they both decide to

go back to the White House.

881

: 00:34:32

Ellen keeps the secret

while Dave fires Bob.

882

: 00:34:35

And the emotional shift is back.

883

: 00:34:37

The little guy can make a difference.

884

: 00:34:39

Dave goes public in the press

conference about Bob's resignation

885

: 00:34:42

and lays out his jobs bill.

886

: 00:34:43

Ironically, which I think is It's

clear that they make Bill Mitchell's

887

: 00:34:47

administration sort of right wing

as the ensuing montage is all the

888

: 00:34:51

Republican allies are condemning it.

889

: 00:34:53

And all the Democrats are

like, oh, this is a great plan.

890

: 00:34:56

Like, you know, this is a plan I even

came up with, you know what I mean?

891

: 00:34:59

So and if you, if you really, I don't

know if they actually ever say it.

892

: 00:35:03

But it's obvious to me in that scene.

893

: 00:35:05

And also Ben Stein shows up in

a cameo to Bob Alexander's get

894

: 00:35:09

together and Ben Stein's Republican.

895

: 00:35:12

He's always been.

896

: 00:35:12

So he's a friend of the administration.

897

: 00:35:14

It kind of hints that they're Republicans.

898

: 00:35:16

Sure.

899

: 00:35:16

Okay.

900

: 00:35:17

At the 1 hour 24 minute mark, we

meet the vice president, Nance, and

901

: 00:35:22

find that he's not insane, because

they told him earlier he was insane.

902

: 00:35:25

But he's a rather nice, straight up guy.

903

: 00:35:28

Alright, all is lost.

904

: 00:35:29

Let me see if you had the same one I did.

905

: 00:35:30

I have all is lost, 1 hour 27

minutes, Bob has a press conference

906

: 00:35:34

laying out all the illegal dealings

that Bill Mitchell made, and Dave

907

: 00:35:38

realizes these accusations are true.

908

: 00:35:41

It's a great scene where he's like, I

can't believe it, now he's making up lies

909

: 00:35:44

about me and Alan's all No, he's not.

910

: 00:35:47

And he's like, what?

911

: 00:35:48

I did that.

912

: 00:35:48

I did all those things.

913

: 00:35:49

He's like, well, you didn't.

914

: 00:35:50

Bill Mitchell did.

915

: 00:35:51

Right.

916

: 00:35:52

So falling back on the little guy

can make a difference Dave feels lost

917

: 00:35:55

that Washington may be too much for

him He is perhaps the little guy.

918

: 00:35:59

He's seeing the Washington machine

getting ready to crush him, right?

919

: 00:36:03

So again, he's not done the

emotional tug of war is still

920

: 00:36:07

going Dark Night of the Soul.

921

: 00:36:08

During this time, Nance is invited

to sit and talk with Dave who asks

922

: 00:36:12

him who asks him how he got started.

923

: 00:36:14

Nance tells him this story about how

he was a shoe salesman, and he had

924

: 00:36:18

aspirations to run for city council.

925

: 00:36:20

Promise of the premise, the

little guy can make a difference.

926

: 00:36:22

This is also gonna pay off later.

927

: 00:36:24

When he asks Dave how he got started,

he foreshadows the ending by saying Oh,

928

: 00:36:30

my story is kind of similar to yours.

929

: 00:36:32

Keep that in mind because

that's going to pay off later.

930

: 00:36:34

All right, political allies want

him to shelf the jobs plan until the

931

: 00:36:38

scandal blows over, but Dave won't.

932

: 00:36:41

Dave is sticking to his guns.

933

: 00:36:42

Again, little guy can make a difference.

934

: 00:36:44

A and B stories collide as after he

meets with Nance and Ellen again.

935

: 00:36:49

Break into three.

936

: 00:36:50

Dave calls for an emergency joint session

of Congress to discuss the accusations.

937

: 00:36:56

Five point finale.

938

: 00:36:57

Here we go.

939

: 00:36:58

Gathering the team.

940

: 00:36:59

One hour, 33 minutes.

941

: 00:37:01

Dave, Alan, and Dwayne all have the plan.

942

: 00:37:05

Execution of the plan.

943

: 00:37:06

Dave acknowledges the charges

in Congress in this session, the

944

: 00:37:10

Congress session, and he owns them.

945

: 00:37:12

He takes responsibility for all of them,

but he also implicates Bob in the process.

946

: 00:37:16

This is the scene where Bob has

all his friends over and they're

947

: 00:37:19

watching on TV and they have a

Bob Alexander for president sign.

948

: 00:37:22

Ben Stein shows up.

949

: 00:37:24

It's all great.

950

: 00:37:25

Until he implicates a Bob and then the

next shot everybody's gone and Bob's

951

: 00:37:30

sitting by himself and he's holding

the Bob Alexander for president sign.

952

: 00:37:34

I love that

953

: 00:37:34

Chris: so much.

954

: 00:37:35

Yeah.

955

: 00:37:36

Jerome: High tower surprise.

956

: 00:37:37

The president appears

to have another stroke.

957

: 00:37:39

Only this one is the real one.

958

: 00:37:41

Since the audience was not

shown the plan in advance.

959

: 00:37:45

There is probably a moment I know

there was for me where, I mean,

960

: 00:37:49

of course I was 18 years old.

961

: 00:37:50

I was just a kid, but when he starts to

have these spells, I'm like, Holy shit.

962

: 00:37:54

What's his.

963

: 00:37:56

And then it occurred to me like,

Oh, I see that this is where

964

: 00:37:58

they're going to do the switcheroo.

965

: 00:37:59

Yeah.

966

: 00:37:59

Okay.

967

: 00:38:00

So, all right, dig down deep.

968

: 00:38:02

First lady gets up from her seat.

969

: 00:38:04

This is another indication that

it was all part of the plan

970

: 00:38:07

because Ellen isn't scared at all.

971

: 00:38:09

When she sees them pass out in front

of Congress, she just gets up and puts

972

: 00:38:12

her jacket on, you know what I mean?

973

: 00:38:13

Like it's time to go.

974

: 00:38:15

So so yeah, so she gets up.

975

: 00:38:17

She's rather uninterested in the

events that are just transpired

976

: 00:38:20

it's because she's in on it.

977

: 00:38:21

She puts on her jacket,

grabs her things, and goes.

978

: 00:38:23

Execution of the new plan.

979

: 00:38:24

Duane has switched the bodies, and

the real president is being medically

980

: 00:38:28

worked on while Dave is in the

passenger seat of the ambulance.

981

: 00:38:32

Dwayne gives him this is probably my

favorite scene of the whole movie.

982

: 00:38:36

And it's a, it's a, remember the setup

and payoff from the sandwich scene?

983

: 00:38:39

Yeah.

984

: 00:38:40

This is Dwayne's payoff.

985

: 00:38:41

Where, you know, he tells him, he

goes you know, Is it far from here?

986

: 00:38:45

Do you need a ride?

987

: 00:38:46

And he's like, no, I can walk.

988

: 00:38:47

And before he leaves, they shake

hands and Dwayne stops and says,

989

: 00:38:49

Dave, I'd have taken a bullet for you.

990

: 00:38:52

Mm hmm.

991

: 00:38:53

That's a great scene.

992

: 00:38:54

Yeah, that's a great payoff, yeah.

993

: 00:38:56

Yeah, that's a great payoff there.

994

: 00:38:57

So resolution.

995

: 00:38:58

Media reaction to the death of Bill

Mitchell and the swearing in of VP Nance.

996

: 00:39:03

And here's the other payoff, the main one.

997

: 00:39:05

Dave decides to run for City council,

just like the vice president,

998

: 00:39:10

Nance and how he got started.

999

: 00:39:12

Closing image, book end to

the opening big picture.

: 1000

00:39:14,399 --> 00:39:19,269

Instead of big Washington scenery,

we're in a little office and nowhere USA

: 1001

00:39:19,539 --> 00:39:23,169

where a little guy, the little engine

that could is running for city council.

: 1002

00:39:23,749 --> 00:39:25,819

Chris: A little guy that looks

like the former president.

: 1003

00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:26,039

Jerome: Yeah.

: 1004

00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:30,069

It looks a lot like the former president,

David cheese, his spiritual goal.

: 1005

00:39:31,144 --> 00:39:32,144

not just to help.

: 1006

00:39:32,164 --> 00:39:34,054

So that's where I think the goals come in.

: 1007

00:39:34,054 --> 00:39:38,254

The tangible goal, what he wanted from

the beginning was to help his spiritual

: 1008

00:39:38,254 --> 00:39:42,474

goal, which he did not know he needed

was that he was actually going to run

: 1009

00:39:42,474 --> 00:39:44,524

for office and be a political figure.

: 1010

00:39:45,184 --> 00:39:45,624

Chris: Something.

: 1011

00:39:45,654 --> 00:39:48,584

So I was going to say one

thing, but I'll say two now.

: 1012

00:39:49,854 --> 00:39:52,784

So the, the scene at the end where Mrs.

: 1013

00:39:52,784 --> 00:39:56,979

President Sigourney Weaver walks

into his, You know, his city

: 1014

00:39:56,979 --> 00:39:58,519

council campaign headquarters.

: 1015

00:39:58,529 --> 00:39:58,549

Yeah,

: 1016

00:39:58,559 --> 00:39:59,689

Jerome: his little office there.

: 1017

00:39:59,689 --> 00:39:59,889

Yeah,

: 1018

00:39:59,929 --> 00:40:03,929

Chris: I love that scene because

it's funny because they kiss in

: 1019

00:40:03,929 --> 00:40:06,059

his office and everyone's watching.

: 1020

00:40:06,389 --> 00:40:06,739

Yeah.

: 1021

00:40:06,799 --> 00:40:09,969

And it's like, I'm thinking to

myself, okay, realistically, the

: 1022

00:40:09,969 --> 00:40:13,779

conspiracy theorists would be

going insane if this happened.

: 1023

00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,749

And Oliver Stone's already on the case.

: 1024

00:40:15,749 --> 00:40:17,999

Yeah, because he's in

the movie, right, right.

: 1025

00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:18,562

Now, now

: 1026

00:40:18,562 --> 00:40:19,968

Jerome: I wouldn't say that currently.

: 1027

00:40:24,008 --> 00:40:27,998

Our last two presidents had very

visible first ladies, but the

: 1028

00:40:28,018 --> 00:40:29,598

two administrations before that.

: 1029

00:40:29,628 --> 00:40:32,018

Oh, yeah, did Michelle Obama, right?

: 1030

00:40:32,028 --> 00:40:36,208

So so this would be the case of let's

say you were in an office and you saw

: 1031

00:40:36,208 --> 00:40:41,988

Michelle Obama come in and make out with

An Obama impersonator that looks exactly

: 1032

00:40:41,998 --> 00:40:48,628

that looks exactly like him Not long

after the real Obama died exactly Right?

: 1033

00:40:48,848 --> 00:40:50,388

Like, that would be weird.

: 1034

00:40:50,618 --> 00:40:53,488

Chris: So, they, they, they

removed the suspension of dispolice

: 1035

00:40:53,518 --> 00:40:54,938

for me, for me in that scene.

: 1036

00:40:54,938 --> 00:40:56,098

Yeah, and, well,

: 1037

00:40:56,518 --> 00:40:59,028

Jerome: and, and Exactly.

: 1038

00:40:59,048 --> 00:41:01,288

Who's to say people would

be like, She killed him.

: 1039

00:41:01,298 --> 00:41:02,068

She killed her husband.

: 1040

00:41:03,308 --> 00:41:04,748

Because she wants to

fuck the impersonator.

: 1041

00:41:05,208 --> 00:41:05,438

Right?

: 1042

00:41:06,168 --> 00:41:09,658

So yeah, they probably, well, Alright,

there's a couple things I want to get to.

: 1043

00:41:09,678 --> 00:41:10,358

That was one of them.

: 1044

00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:11,998

So alright, trivia.

: 1045

00:41:12,333 --> 00:41:13,253

A couple of trivia points here.

: 1046

00:41:13,253 --> 00:41:17,113

Sigourney Weaver's hair is shorter

than she normally has it because she

: 1047

00:41:17,113 --> 00:41:21,423

shaved her head in her previous movie,

Alien 3, which came out a year before.

: 1048

00:41:21,553 --> 00:41:21,983

Wow.

: 1049

00:41:22,513 --> 00:41:24,733

Another fun little trivia tidbit here.

: 1050

00:41:25,103 --> 00:41:29,553

Both former presidents Bill Clinton

and Barack Obama are fans of the movie.

: 1051

00:41:30,618 --> 00:41:34,528

Bill gave screenwriter Gary Ross a

signed copy of the script where he

: 1052

00:41:34,528 --> 00:41:38,268

wrote on the front, funny, often

accurate lampooning of politics.

: 1053

00:41:40,028 --> 00:41:43,948

Obama later told Kevin Kline, quote,

I love watching the movie when I'm

: 1054

00:41:43,948 --> 00:41:47,538

depressed because you made the job of

the president look so fun and so easy.

: 1055

00:41:49,128 --> 00:41:53,928

So, okay, we're going to get to,

I have two possible script issues.

: 1056

00:41:54,693 --> 00:41:57,003

And it, one of them wasn't

even what you just mentioned.

: 1057

00:41:57,003 --> 00:41:58,083

So we'll call that three.

: 1058

00:41:58,153 --> 00:41:58,503

Chris: Okay.

: 1059

00:41:58,553 --> 00:42:02,163

Jerome: Yes, I probably wouldn't have

had everyone see them kiss at the end.

: 1060

00:42:02,173 --> 00:42:02,563

Yeah.

: 1061

00:42:02,603 --> 00:42:03,133

You know what I mean?

: 1062

00:42:03,573 --> 00:42:07,053

Now I get that they try to sell it

by her coming in somewhat disguised.

: 1063

00:42:07,053 --> 00:42:08,223

She's wearing a ball cap.

: 1064

00:42:08,363 --> 00:42:09,493

I mean, it's really a

: 1065

00:42:09,493 --> 00:42:10,113

Chris: romantic.

: 1066

00:42:10,323 --> 00:42:13,333

Comedies pay off to see

that, to have that scene.

: 1067

00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:14,003

I get it.

: 1068

00:42:16,473 --> 00:42:18,123

Jerome: Hang on, I needed my

drink of scotch for this one.

: 1069

00:42:18,293 --> 00:42:21,503

Alright, because I like this movie

so much, I gotta tell you this

: 1070

00:42:21,503 --> 00:42:22,813

next segment's gonna pain me.

: 1071

00:42:22,823 --> 00:42:23,213

Oh.

: 1072

00:42:23,373 --> 00:42:25,403

I have two script problems.

: 1073

00:42:25,503 --> 00:42:25,913

Chris: Okay.

: 1074

00:42:25,963 --> 00:42:26,363

Jerome: Okay?

: 1075

00:42:26,913 --> 00:42:30,263

Alright, so despite being

nominated for the Oscar this

: 1076

00:42:30,263 --> 00:42:33,823

script does break a major rule.

: 1077

00:42:33,833 --> 00:42:36,558

One colossal rule that I hate.

: 1078

00:42:36,918 --> 00:42:38,338

Normally cannot stand.

: 1079

00:42:38,478 --> 00:42:39,898

I accepted it in this

movie because I like it.

: 1080

00:42:40,398 --> 00:42:46,198

But it's the concept of You should

never have luck go your way.

: 1081

00:42:46,968 --> 00:42:51,018

Bad luck that presents obstacles

for your characters are always good.

: 1082

00:42:51,458 --> 00:42:54,418

The example we've always used

in the past, Apollo 13, right?

: 1083

00:42:54,688 --> 00:42:58,258

Like bad thing after bad thing after

bad thing happens, but we accept

: 1084

00:42:58,258 --> 00:43:01,688

it because it's their obstacles

all the way until their moment.

: 1085

00:43:01,688 --> 00:43:03,708

They're about to reenter

the Earth's atmosphere.

: 1086

00:43:04,143 --> 00:43:07,993

They tell Gene Gene Kranz, who's played

by Ed Harris, they're like the landing

: 1087

00:43:07,993 --> 00:43:09,553

site, there's a typhoon warning.

: 1088

00:43:09,953 --> 00:43:10,263

Chris: Right.

: 1089

00:43:11,043 --> 00:43:14,383

Jerome: Like, and they say, it might

miss them, and Ed Harris goes, Yeah,

: 1090

00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:15,883

only if their luck changes, right?

: 1091

00:43:16,013 --> 00:43:16,183

Right.

: 1092

00:43:16,773 --> 00:43:19,803

Like, so, but that's good,

that works for screenwriting.

: 1093

00:43:20,223 --> 00:43:23,913

The bad example is when good

luck helps your characters.

: 1094

00:43:24,358 --> 00:43:25,068

out of a problem.

: 1095

00:43:25,108 --> 00:43:28,478

It's a sign to me of bad writing

where they don't know how

: 1096

00:43:28,478 --> 00:43:30,768

to do, get out of something.

: 1097

00:43:31,118 --> 00:43:33,078

So they just use luck.

: 1098

00:43:33,178 --> 00:43:34,668

I'll give you two examples.

: 1099

00:43:35,168 --> 00:43:39,658

I've mentioned the Thor one in the

past in the Marvel movie, Thor, he's

: 1100

00:43:39,678 --> 00:43:41,738

in a house after he falls to earth.

: 1101

00:43:42,173 --> 00:43:44,473

He's in a hospital, but he escapes, right?

: 1102

00:43:44,473 --> 00:43:46,903

Because he wakes up and he's Thor and

he's like, What the hell am I doing here?

: 1103

00:43:47,093 --> 00:43:48,403

So he breaks out of the hospital.

: 1104

00:43:48,533 --> 00:43:51,343

Natalie Portman and her friends

are trying to find him, so they go

: 1105

00:43:51,343 --> 00:43:53,443

to the hospital, but he's escaped.

: 1106

00:43:53,603 --> 00:43:53,893

Chris: Right.

: 1107

00:43:53,933 --> 00:43:54,983

Jerome: So he's not there.

: 1108

00:43:55,163 --> 00:43:56,353

How are they gonna find him?

: 1109

00:43:56,763 --> 00:44:00,293

Well, let's just pop the car in reverse

and, Oh, lo and behold, we hit him.

: 1110

00:44:00,293 --> 00:44:00,893

Chris: Yeah, right.

: 1111

00:44:00,893 --> 00:44:04,093

Jerome: He happened to be walking

behind the car at the moment

: 1112

00:44:04,103 --> 00:44:05,023

they popped it in reverse.

: 1113

00:44:07,033 --> 00:44:08,603

How fucking lucky was that?

: 1114

00:44:08,603 --> 00:44:10,813

I mean, they never would have

found them otherwise, right?

: 1115

00:44:10,823 --> 00:44:10,853

It's

: 1116

00:44:10,863 --> 00:44:11,653

Chris: Marvel.

: 1117

00:44:11,663 --> 00:44:13,663

You're there to watch a Marvel movie.

: 1118

00:44:13,733 --> 00:44:15,101

Jerome: You're part of the problem.

: 1119

00:44:15,101 --> 00:44:16,473

You're part of the problem.

: 1120

00:44:16,473 --> 00:44:19,343

Alright, another example, and I

just thought of this one recently,

: 1121

00:44:19,343 --> 00:44:20,403

and I wanted to add it in here.

: 1122

00:44:20,433 --> 00:44:22,453

In Twins, it's another perfect example.

: 1123

00:44:22,723 --> 00:44:24,673

The Arnold Schwarzenegger,

Danny DeVito movie.

: 1124

00:44:24,693 --> 00:44:27,208

Now, before you say Who gives a shit?

: 1125

00:44:27,218 --> 00:44:29,158

It's not like that's the

godfather or anything.

: 1126

00:44:29,288 --> 00:44:29,628

True.

: 1127

00:44:29,688 --> 00:44:30,668

It's just twins.

: 1128

00:44:30,888 --> 00:44:32,738

It's a funny little comedy, whatever.

: 1129

00:44:32,878 --> 00:44:34,958

But it's got a perfect

one of these rule breaks.

: 1130

00:44:35,288 --> 00:44:36,058

Here's what happens.

: 1131

00:44:36,058 --> 00:44:39,288

So, Arnold Schwarzenegger was

in the movie he's like born

: 1132

00:44:39,288 --> 00:44:41,278

and raised on a island, right?

: 1133

00:44:41,318 --> 00:44:42,518

A tropical island somewhere.

: 1134

00:44:42,748 --> 00:44:46,378

He goes to the States to find his

long lost brother, Danny DeVito.

: 1135

00:44:46,588 --> 00:44:48,618

He has no idea where to find him.

: 1136

00:44:48,628 --> 00:44:49,208

He could be anywhere.

: 1137

00:44:50,628 --> 00:44:53,498

He only knows the orphanage

that he grew up in, that's it.

: 1138

00:44:53,718 --> 00:44:57,548

So he goes to the orphanage, and

he asks the nun, Where is he?

: 1139

00:44:57,578 --> 00:45:01,388

And the nun says, Ugh, a man

like him, he'd only be in jail.

: 1140

00:45:01,608 --> 00:45:02,478

Check there first.

: 1141

00:45:03,558 --> 00:45:07,538

He gets arrested and put in jail

the day before that happens.

: 1142

00:45:07,548 --> 00:45:07,738

That's

: 1143

00:45:07,738 --> 00:45:08,278

Chris: hilarious.

: 1144

00:45:08,288 --> 00:45:11,138

Jerome: So when he goes to the jail

cell, what do you fucking know?

: 1145

00:45:11,148 --> 00:45:12,608

Danny DeVito's in jail.

: 1146

00:45:12,878 --> 00:45:16,983

If he hadn't gotten arrested for, by the

way, get this, unpaid parking tickets.

: 1147

00:45:17,543 --> 00:45:19,033

He never, that movie never happens,

: 1148

00:45:19,943 --> 00:45:20,213

Chris: right?

: 1149

00:45:20,243 --> 00:45:20,573

Because

: 1150

00:45:20,573 --> 00:45:21,683

Jerome: how would he ever find them?

: 1151

00:45:21,733 --> 00:45:22,593

It's a crazy

: 1152

00:45:22,593 --> 00:45:23,463

Chris: premise to begin

: 1153

00:45:23,463 --> 00:45:24,253

Jerome: with.

: 1154

00:45:24,253 --> 00:45:27,653

Well, it's a silly premise to begin

with, but they used luck for those

: 1155

00:45:27,653 --> 00:45:29,133

two to get hooked up together.

: 1156

00:45:29,173 --> 00:45:29,413

Right.

: 1157

00:45:29,433 --> 00:45:29,763

Right.

: 1158

00:45:30,093 --> 00:45:36,543

So it happens in this movie, the

midpoint scene where he has the, all

: 1159

00:45:36,553 --> 00:45:40,433

the cabinet members in there and he

trims the 650 million from the budget.

: 1160

00:45:40,503 --> 00:45:40,823

Chris: Right.

: 1161

00:45:41,443 --> 00:45:45,563

Jerome: If the media and the cameras

aren't there, That scene doesn't work.

: 1162

00:45:45,813 --> 00:45:48,343

Chris: Yeah, right, cause

they felt the pressure, right?

: 1163

00:45:48,343 --> 00:45:48,583

Right, that's

: 1164

00:45:48,583 --> 00:45:51,663

Jerome: the only reason why they agreed

is cause all the cameras there, even Bob!

: 1165

00:45:51,823 --> 00:45:55,353

Bob stands up twice to try to stop him

but then the cameras are all taking

: 1166

00:45:55,353 --> 00:45:57,373

pictures and he's like nevermind, nothing.

: 1167

00:45:57,793 --> 00:46:00,733

And he sits down, if those cameras

weren't there Bob gets up and says

: 1168

00:46:00,733 --> 00:46:03,763

to all the cabinet members everybody

leave, clear the room, get out.

: 1169

00:46:04,453 --> 00:46:06,533

And then he would fucking

have his way with Dave, right?

: 1170

00:46:06,543 --> 00:46:08,403

He'd be like what the fuck

do you think you're doing?

: 1171

00:46:09,268 --> 00:46:09,678

Right?

: 1172

00:46:09,718 --> 00:46:10,028

Right.

: 1173

00:46:10,038 --> 00:46:12,258

So, but because the media

is there, he can't do it.

: 1174

00:46:12,468 --> 00:46:17,458

Now, they open the scene with Bob saying

to Alan, What's with all the cameras?

: 1175

00:46:17,528 --> 00:46:21,338

And Alan goes, Oh, it's the 100th

session or meeting or whatever.

: 1176

00:46:21,338 --> 00:46:22,508

I thought it'd be a nice touch.

: 1177

00:46:23,078 --> 00:46:24,878

And, as if that's supposed to explain it.

: 1178

00:46:25,238 --> 00:46:26,188

That's still luck.

: 1179

00:46:26,228 --> 00:46:26,858

That's still luck.

: 1180

00:46:26,858 --> 00:46:30,098

Because they have no idea what

Dave is about to drop on them.

: 1181

00:46:30,248 --> 00:46:34,018

Chris: But part of the story was that

Dave called the media to be there.

: 1182

00:46:34,428 --> 00:46:35,608

Jerome: No, not that scene.

: 1183

00:46:36,148 --> 00:46:38,338

He calls the media another time.

: 1184

00:46:39,633 --> 00:46:43,693

He only meets with Murray the scene before

to trim 650 million from the budget.

: 1185

00:46:43,933 --> 00:46:45,973

The next scene, the

cameras are already there.

: 1186

00:46:45,983 --> 00:46:47,453

Chris: Oh, it doesn't even say, yeah.

: 1187

00:46:47,523 --> 00:46:50,763

Jerome: Right, he calls the emergency

meeting later when he fires Bob.

: 1188

00:46:51,443 --> 00:46:52,843

He didn't call this one.

: 1189

00:46:52,943 --> 00:46:53,213

Chris: Hmm.

: 1190

00:46:53,473 --> 00:46:54,153

Jerome: So,

: 1191

00:46:54,193 --> 00:46:56,323

Chris: I remember, for some

reason I thought he did.

: 1192

00:46:56,353 --> 00:46:59,733

I thought he called, like, he

called the budget meeting, and when

: 1193

00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:01,773

he did, he requested the media.

: 1194

00:47:01,773 --> 00:47:02,253

I thought.

: 1195

00:47:02,263 --> 00:47:02,753

Nah, I

: 1196

00:47:02,753 --> 00:47:03,483

Jerome: don't think so.

: 1197

00:47:03,483 --> 00:47:04,443

So we'd have to re watch

: 1198

00:47:04,453 --> 00:47:05,313

Chris: that scene too.

: 1199

00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:05,533

I,

: 1200

00:47:05,603 --> 00:47:07,903

Jerome: no, because Alan even

says, Alan doesn't say Dave

: 1201

00:47:07,903 --> 00:47:09,103

wanted it or Dave called for it.

: 1202

00:47:09,383 --> 00:47:11,393

He says, I thought it

would be a nice touch.

: 1203

00:47:11,393 --> 00:47:12,663

It's the 100th meeting.

: 1204

00:47:13,373 --> 00:47:13,683

Right?

: 1205

00:47:13,713 --> 00:47:14,533

Or whatever it was.

: 1206

00:47:14,603 --> 00:47:15,283

Who said that?

: 1207

00:47:15,613 --> 00:47:16,523

Alan says that.

: 1208

00:47:16,693 --> 00:47:17,293

To Bob.

: 1209

00:47:17,583 --> 00:47:20,303

Chris: Oh, so Alan would

have requested the media.

: 1210

00:47:20,333 --> 00:47:20,963

Jerome: Right.

: 1211

00:47:21,493 --> 00:47:22,763

So it doesn't work.

: 1212

00:47:22,793 --> 00:47:25,463

It's luck, but here's how

you could have fixed it.

: 1213

00:47:26,153 --> 00:47:29,093

Because I like to rewrite movies while

we do these podcasts, apparently.

: 1214

00:47:29,253 --> 00:47:31,563

Even Oscar winning or Oscar

nominated screenplays.

: 1215

00:47:32,003 --> 00:47:33,813

They could have fixed

it just like you said.

: 1216

00:47:34,343 --> 00:47:37,103

They could have had a

snippet of a scene earlier.

: 1217

00:47:37,113 --> 00:47:39,763

Like maybe after Murray leaves

and he walks Murray to his car.

: 1218

00:47:39,953 --> 00:47:43,513

Maybe he stops in on Alan and

he says, Hey are we still doing

: 1219

00:47:43,513 --> 00:47:44,703

that budget thing tomorrow?

: 1220

00:47:44,743 --> 00:47:48,523

And Alan could have been like, yeah,

and you know, oddly 100th meeting.

: 1221

00:47:48,838 --> 00:47:50,748

Dave could have said something

like, Oh, that's nice.

: 1222

00:47:50,778 --> 00:47:51,728

Have the media there.

: 1223

00:47:51,808 --> 00:47:52,828

That would be a nice touch.

: 1224

00:47:53,078 --> 00:47:53,538

You know what I mean?

: 1225

00:47:53,548 --> 00:47:54,768

It should have been Dave's idea.

: 1226

00:47:55,168 --> 00:47:55,518

Or,

: 1227

00:47:55,758 --> 00:47:57,098

Chris: or that would have worked.

: 1228

00:47:57,328 --> 00:48:00,018

Jerome: Or they hint that Alan

was in on it the whole time.

: 1229

00:48:00,028 --> 00:48:00,308

Yeah.

: 1230

00:48:00,308 --> 00:48:00,538

That, that,

: 1231

00:48:00,868 --> 00:48:01,148

Chris: yeah.

: 1232

00:48:01,148 --> 00:48:05,998

If Alan's already his number two and

he's the good guy, his number three,

: 1233

00:48:06,398 --> 00:48:07,918

Jerome: he's the good

guy of the two, right?

: 1234

00:48:08,208 --> 00:48:09,048

Because Bob's the bad guy.

: 1235

00:48:09,238 --> 00:48:13,198

So if, if he had told Alan,

This is what I want to do.

: 1236

00:48:13,218 --> 00:48:15,288

And Alan said, you know, great.

: 1237

00:48:15,328 --> 00:48:17,708

Obviously you don't want to show

that, but you could have shown

: 1238

00:48:17,718 --> 00:48:19,068

later that Alan was in on it.

: 1239

00:48:19,228 --> 00:48:19,568

Chris: Right.

: 1240

00:48:19,998 --> 00:48:20,358

Jerome: Right.

: 1241

00:48:20,658 --> 00:48:24,428

So that's my biggest problem is

the use of luck in that scene.

: 1242

00:48:24,658 --> 00:48:25,818

My other problem.

: 1243

00:48:26,703 --> 00:48:27,643

Which is a minor one.

: 1244

00:48:27,643 --> 00:48:29,813

This is a minor one, but it

still bothered me when I was

: 1245

00:48:29,813 --> 00:48:31,273

rewatching it for this podcast.

: 1246

00:48:31,773 --> 00:48:36,133

Alan claims that putting the first

Liberty scandal on Nance was Bob's idea.

: 1247

00:48:36,273 --> 00:48:37,633

It wasn't, it was his.

: 1248

00:48:37,963 --> 00:48:43,153

Now Bob's plan from the beginning, he

even says we dig up some dirt on the vice

: 1249

00:48:43,153 --> 00:48:48,093

president, force him to resign and then we

have Dave nominate me for vice president.

: 1250

00:48:48,273 --> 00:48:50,123

So it is Bob's plan.

: 1251

00:48:50,173 --> 00:48:50,623

Chris: Yeah.

: 1252

00:48:50,713 --> 00:48:52,073

Jerome: But the first Liberty scandal.

: 1253

00:48:52,568 --> 00:48:53,538

That's on Alan.

: 1254

00:48:53,968 --> 00:48:57,548

Alan tells him when Bob comes in, he goes,

Hey, remember that first Liberty scandal?

: 1255

00:48:57,548 --> 00:48:57,968

He goes, yeah.

: 1256

00:48:57,968 --> 00:48:59,418

He goes, I just dumped it all on Nance.

: 1257

00:48:59,518 --> 00:49:00,338

Oh, you're right.

: 1258

00:49:00,448 --> 00:49:02,368

And Bob's like, oh, that's a great idea.

: 1259

00:49:02,528 --> 00:49:04,208

So it was Alan that did it.

: 1260

00:49:04,238 --> 00:49:06,198

And Alan owns none of that at the end.

: 1261

00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:08,548

He says from the beginning,

oh, it's all Bob's idea.

: 1262

00:49:08,548 --> 00:49:09,318

It's Bob's idea.

: 1263

00:49:09,318 --> 00:49:10,318

This is what Bob wanted.

: 1264

00:49:10,558 --> 00:49:11,548

So I didn't like that.

: 1265

00:49:11,548 --> 00:49:15,128

Because if Alan is the good guy, he

should have either A, owned up to it.

: 1266

00:49:15,138 --> 00:49:16,258

They could have kept him clean.

: 1267

00:49:17,148 --> 00:49:19,638

Or B, right, not having his idea at all.

: 1268

00:49:19,648 --> 00:49:20,508

It could have been Bob's.

: 1269

00:49:20,708 --> 00:49:23,738

Bob could have walked into his office

that day and said, Remember First Liberty?

: 1270

00:49:23,968 --> 00:49:24,868

How about we put that on?

: 1271

00:49:24,868 --> 00:49:25,518

And why'd they do it?

: 1272

00:49:25,528 --> 00:49:26,888

Chris: Because they already had a bad guy.

: 1273

00:49:27,038 --> 00:49:28,288

Why not just make him the bad guy?

: 1274

00:49:28,308 --> 00:49:29,108

Jerome: Yeah, exactly.

: 1275

00:49:29,108 --> 00:49:30,038

Just put it on Bob.

: 1276

00:49:30,298 --> 00:49:32,858

So those are the two things, and

of course the kissing at the end.

: 1277

00:49:33,088 --> 00:49:37,238

I probably wouldn't have sh I get it's a

romantic comedy, so they wanted to have

: 1278

00:49:37,238 --> 00:49:39,878

that kiss at the end, but they didn't

need to have everybody in the office.

: 1279

00:49:39,953 --> 00:49:41,513

Chris: That

: 1280

00:49:41,513 --> 00:49:42,953

Jerome: to me raises a lot of questions.

: 1281

00:49:43,033 --> 00:49:45,113

So, those three things, but that's it.

: 1282

00:49:45,373 --> 00:49:47,833

And maybe that's the difference

between it being nominated for the

: 1283

00:49:47,833 --> 00:49:49,393

Oscar and not winning the Oscar.

: 1284

00:49:49,453 --> 00:49:49,993

I don't know.

: 1285

00:49:50,083 --> 00:49:50,853

Yeah, maybe.

: 1286

00:49:51,023 --> 00:49:53,003

Of course, nobody's beaten

the piano that year.

: 1287

00:49:53,023 --> 00:49:54,183

That was an amazing screenplay.

: 1288

00:49:54,373 --> 00:49:55,973

So so that wouldn't have

made the difference.

: 1289

00:49:55,993 --> 00:49:57,833

But anyway I love this movie.

: 1290

00:49:57,923 --> 00:49:58,113

Yeah, me too.

: 1291

00:49:58,123 --> 00:50:00,813

So I was willing to forgive

those little three blips.

: 1292

00:50:01,273 --> 00:50:03,353

But again, for all you writers out there.

: 1293

00:50:03,673 --> 00:50:07,293

Do not use luck to get out of a problem.

: 1294

00:50:07,513 --> 00:50:08,933

It might cost you an Oscar.

: 1295

00:50:09,043 --> 00:50:10,403

Everything has a reason.

: 1296

00:50:11,763 --> 00:50:14,943

Gary Ross did not win the Oscar

because of that scene, I guarantee it.

: 1297

00:50:14,983 --> 00:50:18,793

But, but the script was still

good enough to get nominated.

: 1298

00:50:18,873 --> 00:50:20,003

Alright, final thoughts?

: 1299

00:50:20,413 --> 00:50:21,333

Chris: Just, I loved it, man.

: 1300

00:50:21,373 --> 00:50:22,423

It's timely.

: 1301

00:50:22,783 --> 00:50:24,273

Good movie to watch right now.

: 1302

00:50:24,333 --> 00:50:25,833

So, that's it.

: 1303

00:50:26,283 --> 00:50:26,793

Alright.

: 1304

00:50:27,643 --> 00:50:28,163

So.

: 1305

00:50:29,093 --> 00:50:30,083

What's the next movie?

: 1306

00:50:30,143 --> 00:50:31,413

Jerome: The campaign!

: 1307

00:50:31,663 --> 00:50:33,273

The next political movie we chose.

: 1308

00:50:33,273 --> 00:50:33,683

Hold on, hold on.

: 1309

00:50:33,733 --> 00:50:34,343

I'm gonna need another

: 1310

00:50:34,353 --> 00:50:34,713

Chris: drink.

: 1311

00:50:34,733 --> 00:50:35,793

Jerome: Yeah, I gotta, you know what?

: 1312

00:50:35,833 --> 00:50:37,573

Let's pause for station identification.

: 1313

00:50:37,763 --> 00:50:39,843

Because I also have to drink

my scotch for this one.

: 1314

00:50:42,443 --> 00:50:44,193

Chris: This movie I don't know, man.

: 1315

00:50:44,563 --> 00:50:46,973

My whiskey, There's so

much So here's the thing.

: 1316

00:50:46,983 --> 00:50:48,513

Here's my, my deal with it.

: 1317

00:50:48,893 --> 00:50:50,213

Jerome: I think I know what

you didn't like about it.

: 1318

00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:50,413

It's

: 1319

00:50:50,413 --> 00:50:52,833

Chris: just the, the junior high humor.

: 1320

00:50:52,883 --> 00:50:54,953

Yep, I was gonna say, you

didn't like the crudity.

: 1321

00:50:54,993 --> 00:50:58,833

It's I mean, I get, you

can be crude and funny.

: 1322

00:50:58,853 --> 00:50:59,673

I get that.

: 1323

00:50:59,913 --> 00:51:02,713

And sometimes it requires Airplane is

: 1324

00:51:02,713 --> 00:51:03,503

Jerome: crude and funny.

: 1325

00:51:03,543 --> 00:51:08,053

Chris: Exactly, but this was just like,

it was like, it was like 6th grade humor.

: 1326

00:51:08,053 --> 00:51:08,556

Yeah, it was.

: 1327

00:51:08,556 --> 00:51:10,603

It wasn't that funny to me, I don't know.

: 1328

00:51:11,023 --> 00:51:13,573

Jerome: There were a couple, I'm gonna

tell you right off the bat, cause I don't

: 1329

00:51:13,573 --> 00:51:15,873

even mention her in my beats at all.

: 1330

00:51:16,163 --> 00:51:18,313

That's how insignificant

I think the part was.

: 1331

00:51:18,813 --> 00:51:23,393

The, the, the joke about the maid

and they make her speak in a old

: 1332

00:51:23,393 --> 00:51:28,123

black accent, because the old rich

guy, that joke just fell flat for me.

: 1333

00:51:28,133 --> 00:51:28,973

It just wasn't funny.

: 1334

00:51:29,343 --> 00:51:30,513

Well, I

: 1335

00:51:30,513 --> 00:51:31,643

Chris: actually laughed at her

: 1336

00:51:33,953 --> 00:51:38,073

The one joke I thought was not that funny

is the one joke you like no I loved it

: 1337

00:51:38,073 --> 00:51:40,173

cuz she was like she just I don't know.

: 1338

00:51:40,773 --> 00:51:42,773

I mean, she's like yeah, this is bullshit

: 1339

00:51:45,153 --> 00:51:48,173

Jerome: Yeah, but like when she

like overdoes it oh, yeah, you

: 1340

00:51:48,183 --> 00:51:51,933

know it was stupid but the southern

black, you know, I loved her

: 1341

00:51:52,153 --> 00:51:55,263

Chris: Yeah, the sass in her attitude was

: 1342

00:51:55,263 --> 00:51:58,793

Jerome: nice, but the joke of her

having to do that, like, I don't

: 1343

00:51:58,793 --> 00:51:59,653

know, I didn't think it was funny.

: 1344

00:51:59,953 --> 00:52:00,713

But anyway, okay.

: 1345

00:52:01,023 --> 00:52:01,813

Alright, specs.

: 1346

00:52:02,528 --> 00:52:09,038

: 2012

Chris Henchey Sean Harwell and Adam McKay.

: 1347

00:52:09,308 --> 00:52:12,138

Running time of 1 hour

25 minutes, even shorter.

: 1348

00:52:12,618 --> 00:52:15,468

And a budget of 95 million.

: 1349

00:52:15,768 --> 00:52:17,198

It cost 95 million.

: 1350

00:52:17,198 --> 00:52:18,268

It's because of how many names they

: 1351

00:52:18,268 --> 00:52:18,688

Chris: had.

: 1352

00:52:19,528 --> 00:52:22,128

Jerome: So, it was re

It was, oh, by the way.

: 1353

00:52:22,468 --> 00:52:28,228

Because the movie, An Hour and 25 Minutes,

that's 85 minutes, right, of screen time.

: 1354

00:52:28,588 --> 00:52:31,638

That means that they spent more

than a million dollars per minute.

: 1355

00:52:31,678 --> 00:52:32,728

That's insane.

: 1356

00:52:33,208 --> 00:52:38,898

Okay, so it was released on August 10th,

: 2012

: 1357

00:52:38,898 --> 00:52:40,438

So it did clear its budget.

: 1358

00:52:40,913 --> 00:52:42,213

Barely, but it cleared it.

: 1359

00:52:42,253 --> 00:52:42,533

Right.

: 1360

00:52:42,583 --> 00:52:45,593

It was good for 69th place that year.

: 1361

00:52:45,813 --> 00:52:48,503

This is why I said that the

audience members agreed with

: 1362

00:52:48,503 --> 00:52:51,443

you, Chris, because not that many

people went to see this movie.

: 1363

00:52:51,633 --> 00:52:54,383

Now, back in the day, 100 million

dollars, that was a blockbuster.

: 1364

00:52:54,443 --> 00:52:56,293

But in: 2012

: 1365

00:52:56,313 --> 00:52:57,763

Chris: 69th place.

: 1366

00:52:58,043 --> 00:52:59,033

And, you know what?

: 1367

00:52:59,033 --> 00:53:00,963

I'm looking through the cast right now.

: 1368

00:53:02,293 --> 00:53:04,873

Every one of these people would

be like, yeah, that movie was kind

: 1369

00:53:04,873 --> 00:53:08,193

of stupid, but you think I care?

: 1370

00:53:08,223 --> 00:53:09,713

How much do each of these people get paid?

: 1371

00:53:09,713 --> 00:53:12,003

Jerome: A million dollars a person?

: 1372

00:53:12,623 --> 00:53:15,123

You know what the funny thing is,

there's a movie called Your Highness.

: 1373

00:53:15,623 --> 00:53:20,753

With Academy Award nominee, James Franco,

Academy Award winner, Natalie Portman.

: 1374

00:53:21,043 --> 00:53:23,993

And, you know, and, and they look

back on that movie and they're

: 1375

00:53:23,993 --> 00:53:25,333

like, we did that for fun.

: 1376

00:53:25,333 --> 00:53:30,433

So we could smoke pot and get

high and drink at Danny McBride.

: 1377

00:53:30,433 --> 00:53:32,183

You know, we did it.

: 1378

00:53:32,183 --> 00:53:32,973

Can you imagine the

: 1379

00:53:33,033 --> 00:53:34,383

Chris: partying that went on on this set?

: 1380

00:53:34,403 --> 00:53:34,763

Yeah.

: 1381

00:53:34,833 --> 00:53:35,083

Jerome: Yeah.

: 1382

00:53:35,083 --> 00:53:38,193

So they're like, so that's what

these guys were probably thinking.

: 1383

00:53:38,263 --> 00:53:38,573

Chris: We're like,

: 1384

00:53:38,873 --> 00:53:39,473

Jerome: let's do this

: 1385

00:53:39,473 --> 00:53:40,093

Chris: movie just for fun.

: 1386

00:53:40,093 --> 00:53:41,243

Wait, let me get this straight.

: 1387

00:53:41,353 --> 00:53:42,483

You're going to pay me?

: 1388

00:53:43,073 --> 00:53:44,693

To have a party with these people.

: 1389

00:53:44,963 --> 00:53:45,843

Jerome: Yeah, exactly,

: 1390

00:53:46,133 --> 00:53:46,713

Chris: exactly.

: 1391

00:53:47,093 --> 00:53:49,013

Jerome: So again, 69th place that year.

: 1392

00:53:49,023 --> 00:53:55,493

Falling behind films like Chronicle, Zero

Dark Thirty, and Paranormal Activity 4.

: 1393

00:53:55,773 --> 00:53:59,043

And those are just like in the 60s,

like I didn't mention the top movies.

: 1394

00:53:59,053 --> 00:53:59,253

Yeah.

: 1395

00:54:00,393 --> 00:54:06,733

But it did beat out This is 40, the

Red Dawn remake, and get this, the

: 1396

00:54:06,733 --> 00:54:09,693

Phantom Menace: 2012

: 1397

00:54:09,853 --> 00:54:14,463

Chris: Oh boy, I mean, I didn't go

see either of those two movies, so.

: 1398

00:54:15,933 --> 00:54:20,313

Jerome: All right, so top five movies

of: 2012

: 1399

00:54:20,803 --> 00:54:21,853

Number five.

: 1400

00:54:22,233 --> 00:54:28,623

Ice Age, continental drift,

$877 million worldwide.

: 1401

00:54:28,773 --> 00:54:30,123

Number four, the Hobbit.

: 1402

00:54:30,183 --> 00:54:34,203

An unexpected journey at 1.01.

: 1403

00:54:34,203 --> 00:54:37,053

$7 billion with a B.

: 1404

00:54:37,473 --> 00:54:42,168

Number three, the dark night rises $1.084

: 1405

00:54:42,168 --> 00:54:44,133

billion.

: 1406

00:54:44,133 --> 00:54:44,193

Wow.

: 1407

00:54:44,523 --> 00:54:49,488

The number two movie

of: 2012

: 1408

00:54:49,488 --> 00:54:50,313

billion.

: 1409

00:54:50,728 --> 00:54:57,073

And can you guess the number

one movie of: 2012

: 1410

00:54:57,073 --> 00:54:59,488

billion Worldwide?

: 1411

00:54:59,488 --> 00:55:00,478

Was it Avatar?

: 1412

00:55:01,258 --> 00:55:03,688

No, but it does start with an A and a V.

: 1413

00:55:03,988 --> 00:55:04,408

Really?

: 1414

00:55:04,618 --> 00:55:05,878

You got the first two letters, right?

: 1415

00:55:08,578 --> 00:55:08,998

?

Chris: What the hell is it?

: 1416

00:55:08,998 --> 00:55:09,508

I'll give you a hint.

: 1417

00:55:09,508 --> 00:55:10,438

I can't think of Marvel.

: 1418

00:55:10,738 --> 00:55:11,248

Marvel.

: 1419

00:55:11,248 --> 00:55:12,088

Oh, Avenger.

: 1420

00:55:12,118 --> 00:55:12,328

Yeah.

: 1421

00:55:12,328 --> 00:55:13,048

The Avengers.

: 1422

00:55:13,048 --> 00:55:13,198

The

: 1423

00:55:13,198 --> 00:55:13,978

Jerome: Avengers.

: 1424

00:55:13,978 --> 00:55:14,458

Which one?

: 1425

00:55:14,458 --> 00:55:14,758

One.

: 1426

00:55:15,658 --> 00:55:16,228

The Avengers.

: 1427

00:55:16,543 --> 00:55:17,573

Chris: Oh, it was the first?

: 1428

00:55:17,633 --> 00:55:19,613

Jerome: The first that

they called The Avengers.

: 1429

00:55:20,003 --> 00:55:22,393

Prior to that, there were

all the individual stories.

: 1430

00:55:22,813 --> 00:55:24,693

Iron Man, Thor, The

: 1431

00:55:24,693 --> 00:55:25,193

Chris: Legend.

: 1432

00:55:25,193 --> 00:55:29,353

And every, for years, just about every

Avenger movie raked in that kind of money.

: 1433

00:55:29,553 --> 00:55:29,663

That was

: 1434

00:55:29,923 --> 00:55:30,443

Jerome: nuts.

: 1435

00:55:30,453 --> 00:55:33,373

So, The Avengers was the first

one where they were all together.

: 1436

00:55:33,808 --> 00:55:34,518

And that was 1.

: 1437

00:55:34,518 --> 00:55:36,038

5 billion.

: 1438

00:55:36,238 --> 00:55:37,568

Now, funny note here.

: 1439

00:55:37,588 --> 00:55:38,018

Okay.

: 1440

00:55:38,268 --> 00:55:44,448

Not one fully original screenplay and

that list, all are either based on

: 1441

00:55:44,448 --> 00:55:48,458

some sort of previously released source

material or a sequel of some kind.

: 1442

00:55:48,698 --> 00:55:53,438

You have to go all the way down to the

12th place movie for that year before

: 1443

00:55:53,438 --> 00:55:54,968

you get to an original screenplay.

: 1444

00:55:55,078 --> 00:55:59,428

And it's Seth MacFarlane's Ted,

the talking teddy bear was the 12th

: 1445

00:55:59,438 --> 00:56:00,828

highest grossing film that year.

: 1446

00:56:00,828 --> 00:56:01,178

And that's

: 1447

00:56:01,178 --> 00:56:03,328

Chris: why so many people complain about.

: 1448

00:56:03,563 --> 00:56:05,803

Not seeing original ideas.

: 1449

00:56:05,873 --> 00:56:07,803

Well, they found out how to make money.

: 1450

00:56:07,803 --> 00:56:09,573

I mean, think about it.

: 1451

00:56:09,653 --> 00:56:12,043

They just said, we got

cash cows here to milk.

: 1452

00:56:12,453 --> 00:56:14,023

Jerome: But, here's

the point I would make.

: 1453

00:56:14,023 --> 00:56:16,183

Seth MacFarlane's Ted?

: 1454

00:56:16,593 --> 00:56:17,883

That finished 12th place?

: 1455

00:56:19,673 --> 00:56:22,483

549 million dollars worldwide.

: 1456

00:56:22,593 --> 00:56:24,353

Still a pretty god damn good hit.

: 1457

00:56:24,403 --> 00:56:24,803

Yeah, no kidding.

: 1458

00:56:24,813 --> 00:56:25,063

Right?

: 1459

00:56:25,093 --> 00:56:26,113

And that's just talking.

: 1460

00:56:27,203 --> 00:56:28,663

Chris: And that's why they've had sequels.

: 1461

00:56:29,223 --> 00:56:31,103

Jerome: Yeah, and that's

a talking teddy bear.

: 1462

00:56:31,323 --> 00:56:35,963

So alright, the campaign,

let's get back on track here.

: 1463

00:56:35,963 --> 00:56:38,253

The campaign performed poorly.

: 1464

00:56:38,623 --> 00:56:40,843

And like, you know, like you said,

it's kind of shocking considering

: 1465

00:56:40,843 --> 00:56:41,823

the leads that are in it.

: 1466

00:56:42,483 --> 00:56:44,303

And the fact that it was topical.

: 1467

00:56:44,393 --> 00:56:47,513

: 2012

year, just like this year.

: 1468

00:56:47,523 --> 00:56:50,793

And it came out in August, mere

months before the election.

: 1469

00:56:51,153 --> 00:56:56,513

So, with that cast and that timing,

You know, it's surprising that it,

: 1470

00:56:56,553 --> 00:56:59,273

it, I keep saying it didn't do well,

it still made a hundred million

: 1471

00:56:59,273 --> 00:57:00,423

dollars, but you know what I'm saying?

: 1472

00:57:00,423 --> 00:57:00,793

Yeah.

: 1473

00:57:00,793 --> 00:57:03,483

It was 69th on the

worldwide list that year.

: 1474

00:57:03,973 --> 00:57:06,133

: 2012

: 1475

00:57:06,603 --> 00:57:09,113

It received zero Academy

Award nominations.

: 1476

00:57:09,548 --> 00:57:15,758

Nor any other nominations of any sort,

except it did win Theodore Shapiro the

: 1477

00:57:15,758 --> 00:57:18,878

BMI Film Music Award for Best Film Music.

: 1478

00:57:19,198 --> 00:57:21,718

I have no idea what the

criteria was for that award.

: 1479

00:57:21,868 --> 00:57:22,278

Right.

: 1480

00:57:23,078 --> 00:57:26,108

Alright, it stars Will

Ferrell as Cam Brady.

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By the way, before we continue

How fucking great is that?

: 1482

00:57:29,348 --> 00:57:33,718

In: 2012

in the NFL, which was the biggest

: 1483

00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:37,948

sport in the time and still is,

was Cam Newton and Tom Brady.

: 1484

00:57:38,048 --> 00:57:38,188

Right.

: 1485

00:57:38,448 --> 00:57:41,188

So they named this guy Cam Brady.

: 1486

00:57:41,198 --> 00:57:42,528

How fucking perfect is that?

: 1487

00:57:42,528 --> 00:57:43,313

Yeah.

: 1488

00:57:43,623 --> 00:57:46,863

Zach Galifianakis is Marty Huggins.

: 1489

00:57:47,223 --> 00:57:50,343

Does that not look like somebody

you wanna just give a hug to?

: 1490

00:57:50,363 --> 00:57:52,723

Like, the names are perfect!

: 1491

00:57:53,133 --> 00:57:55,023

Cam Brady and Marty Huggins.

: 1492

00:57:55,343 --> 00:57:57,753

Jason Sudeikis also stars as Mitch.

: 1493

00:57:57,763 --> 00:58:01,113

Dylan McDermott as Tim Watley,

not the one from Seinfeld.

: 1494

00:58:01,673 --> 00:58:07,443

Catherine Alenasa as Rose Brady, Sarah

Baker as Mitzi Huggins, and special

: 1495

00:58:07,443 --> 00:58:11,983

appearances by John Lithgow as Glenn

Motch, Dan Aykroyd as Wade Motch,

: 1496

00:58:12,023 --> 00:58:14,703

and Brian Cox as Raymond Huggins.

: 1497

00:58:15,253 --> 00:58:16,593

Alright, when did you

first see this movie?

: 1498

00:58:17,263 --> 00:58:17,953

Chris: Yesterday?

: 1499

00:58:18,513 --> 00:58:19,443

Yeah, yesterday.

: 1500

00:58:19,723 --> 00:58:20,783

I was like, when did I watch it?

: 1501

00:58:20,793 --> 00:58:21,593

That was yesterday.

: 1502

00:58:23,113 --> 00:58:23,643

Jerome: Really?

: 1503

00:58:23,793 --> 00:58:25,723

You avoided it for twelve years?

: 1504

00:58:25,743 --> 00:58:26,113

Chris: Yeah.

: 1505

00:58:26,933 --> 00:58:27,223

Jerome: Yep.

: 1506

00:58:27,513 --> 00:58:29,683

Chris: Hungover from a lion's win.

: 1507

00:58:30,363 --> 00:58:31,843

Jerome: Yeah, see, that

didn't help either.

: 1508

00:58:31,853 --> 00:58:33,913

You were sober, you were hungover.

: 1509

00:58:33,973 --> 00:58:35,463

This isn't the movie to

watch when you're sober.

: 1510

00:58:35,463 --> 00:58:36,333

Well, I wasn't really

: 1511

00:58:36,333 --> 00:58:36,753

Chris: hungover.

: 1512

00:58:36,753 --> 00:58:38,023

I didn't drink much Sunday.

: 1513

00:58:38,423 --> 00:58:39,473

But, I was up late.

: 1514

00:58:39,513 --> 00:58:43,223

It was like, you know, I got three hours

sleep because it was a prime time game.

: 1515

00:58:43,513 --> 00:58:44,673

Jerome: You were in a sleep hangover.

: 1516

00:58:44,953 --> 00:58:48,793

Chris: Yeah, so, but yeah, three hours

sleep and I'm watching this movie.

: 1517

00:58:50,053 --> 00:58:52,403

Jerome: So, I actually

Instead of taking a nap.

: 1518

00:58:52,618 --> 00:58:55,348

I actually did see this

movie in the theater.

: 1519

00:58:55,888 --> 00:58:57,348

I actually paid to see it.

: 1520

00:58:57,648 --> 00:58:59,508

And I will say You're the problem.

: 1521

00:58:59,568 --> 00:59:03,988

I am the problem, and I'll tell you

what, sir, I laughed a lot of times.

: 1522

00:59:04,018 --> 00:59:04,378

I bet.

: 1523

00:59:04,418 --> 00:59:09,368

Because that sophomore humor, that

crude shit, dude had me rolling.

: 1524

00:59:09,398 --> 00:59:10,608

No, I called it junior high

: 1525

00:59:10,618 --> 00:59:11,488

Chris: humor, son.

: 1526

00:59:11,488 --> 00:59:11,868

Sorry.

: 1527

00:59:12,198 --> 00:59:14,378

Jerome: Junior high, even

worse than sophomore.

: 1528

00:59:14,378 --> 00:59:14,708

Alright.

: 1529

00:59:16,178 --> 00:59:17,968

Alright, you're done

pouring your urine there.

: 1530

00:59:18,008 --> 00:59:18,548

Log me.

: 1531

00:59:19,188 --> 00:59:19,588

Alright.

: 1532

00:59:20,938 --> 00:59:24,878

Chris: An incumbent representative

embroiled in personal scandal

: 1533

00:59:24,908 --> 00:59:29,908

faces a no holds barred challenge

from a native, er, sorry.

: 1534

00:59:31,258 --> 00:59:32,158

Jerome: From a native?

: 1535

00:59:32,158 --> 00:59:34,808

Chris: I gotta, I gotta read

the whole thing over now.

: 1536

00:59:35,528 --> 00:59:36,628

I'm cutting all that out.

: 1537

00:59:37,088 --> 00:59:37,448

Alright.

: 1538

00:59:37,688 --> 00:59:39,928

It's naive, but it looked like native.

: 1539

00:59:42,338 --> 00:59:43,468

Jerome: I think you should keep it in.

: 1540

00:59:44,668 --> 00:59:45,168

Okay.

: 1541

00:59:48,893 --> 00:59:52,663

Chris: Faces a no holds barred

challenge from a naive newcomer

: 1542

00:59:52,673 --> 00:59:57,723

funded by two unscrupulous billionaire

lobbyist lobbyist brothers.

: 1543

00:59:57,753 --> 01:00:01,473

That was, I just totally,

totally bombed it on native.

: 1544

01:00:04,053 --> 01:00:04,503

Anyways,

: 1545

01:00:04,563 --> 01:00:08,963

Jerome: all right, well actually,

all jokes aside it was actually

: 1546

01:00:08,963 --> 01:00:11,923

realistic because it takes

place in North Carolina and Zach

: 1547

01:00:11,973 --> 01:00:13,843

Galifianakis is from North Carolina.

: 1548

01:00:13,853 --> 01:00:14,293

He's a native.

: 1549

01:00:14,383 --> 01:00:15,923

Technically, he is a native.

: 1550

01:00:16,283 --> 01:00:16,683

All right.

: 1551

01:00:17,143 --> 01:00:19,133

We have the beats!

: 1552

01:00:19,723 --> 01:00:22,753

Opening image, Mitch

prepping Cam for a speech.

: 1553

01:00:22,773 --> 01:00:26,003

This is the intro to Cam Brady,

congressman from North Carolina,

: 1554

01:00:26,193 --> 01:00:30,113

and his campaign advisor Mitch,

played by Jason Sudeikis.

: 1555

01:00:30,893 --> 01:00:31,353

Set up.

: 1556

01:00:31,553 --> 01:00:35,883

The first few minutes of the film, we set

up Cam's speeches throughout a montage

: 1557

01:00:36,683 --> 01:00:38,523

that he is the incumbent representative.

: 1558

01:00:39,023 --> 01:00:40,703

Theme stated, it comes early.

: 1559

01:00:41,518 --> 01:00:42,418

No pun intended.

: 1560

01:00:42,708 --> 01:00:45,498

As at the three minute mark,

Cam is having sex with his

: 1561

01:00:45,498 --> 01:00:47,208

mistress Shana in an outhouse.

: 1562

01:00:47,558 --> 01:00:51,328

She says to him, quote, Cam,

it smells horrible in here.

: 1563

01:00:51,528 --> 01:00:54,508

To which he replies, It's not

that bad once you get used to it.

: 1564

01:00:55,168 --> 01:00:56,658

To me, that's the theme.

: 1565

01:00:56,668 --> 01:01:00,008

That's the theme of the movie,

because it carries through

: 1566

01:01:00,008 --> 01:01:01,498

the film of politics, right?

: 1567

01:01:01,538 --> 01:01:04,798

Politics in Washington

is an outhouse, right?

: 1568

01:01:04,798 --> 01:01:10,558

It stinks, it's shitty, but you get

used to it once you're in there, right?

: 1569

01:01:10,693 --> 01:01:12,823

That's the corruption

in our nation's capital.

: 1570

01:01:12,853 --> 01:01:17,653

All right, instead of a four point push,

this movie, we have a five point push.

: 1571

01:01:17,713 --> 01:01:18,233

Are you ready?

: 1572

01:01:18,863 --> 01:01:19,813

Inciting incident.

: 1573

01:01:19,843 --> 01:01:22,883

At the four minute mark, Cam's

polling numbers are plummeting due

: 1574

01:01:22,883 --> 01:01:27,193

to a leaked inappropriate phone call

he made, which is kind of funny.

: 1575

01:01:27,193 --> 01:01:30,643

That scene where he calls the wrong

number and he leaves a voicemail.

: 1576

01:01:30,643 --> 01:01:31,843

He thought he was calling his mistress.

: 1577

01:01:32,213 --> 01:01:35,343

Yeah, he called like some super religious

family that's trying to have dinner.

: 1578

01:01:35,373 --> 01:01:37,843

Chris: Yeah, I did laugh

at that part It was so bad.

: 1579

01:01:37,893 --> 01:01:38,873

It was so bad.

: 1580

01:01:38,873 --> 01:01:40,373

I was like, oh my god

: 1581

01:01:41,993 --> 01:01:44,963

Jerome: Here we go It's lightsaber time.

: 1582

01:01:45,113 --> 01:01:45,513

All right.

: 1583

01:01:45,613 --> 01:01:45,983

All right.

: 1584

01:01:46,863 --> 01:01:47,273

Here we go.

: 1585

01:01:47,773 --> 01:01:48,213

We're gonna leave up.

: 1586

01:01:48,233 --> 01:01:52,223

Okay, so this is the first debate

debate part one seven minutes in

: 1587

01:01:52,223 --> 01:01:56,778

we're motch brothers and their

desire to have cam replaced in the

: 1588

01:01:56,778 --> 01:01:58,348

district of which he represents.

: 1589

01:01:58,938 --> 01:02:01,968

More set up here as they fixate

on Marty Huggins, the son

: 1590

01:02:01,968 --> 01:02:03,938

of longtime political ally.

: 1591

01:02:04,138 --> 01:02:04,848

What is his name?

: 1592

01:02:04,848 --> 01:02:05,428

Raymond Huggins.

: 1593

01:02:06,028 --> 01:02:09,228

Marty goes to see his dad who

tells him he's gonna run for office

: 1594

01:02:09,228 --> 01:02:10,558

and challenge Cam for the seat.

: 1595

01:02:10,913 --> 01:02:12,353

Catalyst, 15 minutes in.

: 1596

01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:16,103

Marty crashes Cam's formal

declaration by announcing in

: 1597

01:02:16,103 --> 01:02:18,063

court he is running for the seat.

: 1598

01:02:18,933 --> 01:02:20,853

Debate begins, 18 minutes in.

: 1599

01:02:20,853 --> 01:02:23,123

This is the second debate

actually, this is debate part two.

: 1600

01:02:23,363 --> 01:02:28,263

18 minutes in, after a quick montage of

media reaction we get a sense of how the

: 1601

01:02:28,263 --> 01:02:30,123

wives and families are handling this.

: 1602

01:02:30,123 --> 01:02:34,673

Rose, Cam's wife, is unhappy and

she seems pissed at Cam, while the

: 1603

01:02:34,673 --> 01:02:38,913

Huggins family, led by Mitzi, is all

happy and very supportive of Marty.

: 1604

01:02:40,768 --> 01:02:44,508

So, the formal brunch

where the opponents meet.

: 1605

01:02:44,548 --> 01:02:48,548

This kicks off into the second act

because once this happens, the before

: 1606

01:02:48,548 --> 01:02:49,958

world for each of them is over.

: 1607

01:02:50,178 --> 01:02:52,818

And they're now fully

engrossed in a campaign.

: 1608

01:02:52,988 --> 01:02:53,728

A dirty one.

: 1609

01:02:54,178 --> 01:02:57,958

A particular funny note is when Cam is

giving his speech about keeping things

: 1610

01:02:57,968 --> 01:03:02,038

civil and keeping things clean, he ends

his speech with, Support the troops.

: 1611

01:03:03,078 --> 01:03:04,633

Like, he just throws that in there.

: 1612

01:03:04,633 --> 01:03:08,568

And I love that because, is that not

a political thing where like, you

: 1613

01:03:08,568 --> 01:03:11,738

know, you say this speech speech could

have anything to do with nothing,

: 1614

01:03:11,738 --> 01:03:14,898

but as long as you end it with

support the troops, you get everybody

: 1615

01:03:14,898 --> 01:03:15,238

Chris: clapping.

: 1616

01:03:15,238 --> 01:03:16,108

That's your drop the mic.

: 1617

01:03:16,338 --> 01:03:16,638

That's

: 1618

01:03:16,698 --> 01:03:17,278

Jerome: exactly.

: 1619

01:03:17,278 --> 01:03:18,378

That's your drop the mic moment.

: 1620

01:03:19,058 --> 01:03:22,078

So and of course he talks

about being civil and having

: 1621

01:03:22,078 --> 01:03:23,918

a civil companion campaign.

: 1622

01:03:23,928 --> 01:03:25,468

And then he runs this ad.

: 1623

01:03:25,478 --> 01:03:27,398

He runs this video for everyone.

: 1624

01:03:27,638 --> 01:03:28,888

Let's meet Marty Huggins.

: 1625

01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:34,458

And he shows this video that suggests he's

communist, and his dogs are communist.

: 1626

01:03:35,388 --> 01:03:40,408

Um, So, but when okay, I have to say this

though, as much as we rank on this movie.

: 1627

01:03:41,403 --> 01:03:45,703

Of all the movies we've done, I don't

know if there's a clearer jump into Act 2.

: 1628

01:03:45,733 --> 01:03:47,753

This is one of the clearer jumps to Act 2.

: 1629

01:03:47,963 --> 01:03:52,223

At the 22 minute mark, right after

that video is over, and a very hurt

: 1630

01:03:52,223 --> 01:03:56,933

and crushed Marty Huggins looks at Cam

as if like, Why'd you just do that?

: 1631

01:03:57,773 --> 01:04:01,398

Fucking Will Ferrell looks at him

and goes Welcome to the fuckin show.

: 1632

01:04:01,398 --> 01:04:08,218

Like, that's, that, cause then, I

mean, you feel it, like, the second

: 1633

01:04:08,228 --> 01:04:10,488

that's it, that's it, we're in

Act 2 now, you know what I mean?

: 1634

01:04:10,488 --> 01:04:14,568

Like, that is the clearest

break from Act 1 to Act 2 that

: 1635

01:04:14,568 --> 01:04:15,658

we might have seen in a while.

: 1636

01:04:16,258 --> 01:04:20,588

Alright, B story, at 23 minutes, exactly

one minute later, what always, we

: 1637

01:04:20,588 --> 01:04:23,018

always say a half hour, but it's really

at the beginning of the second act.

: 1638

01:04:23,363 --> 01:04:27,273

What happens, the B story, Tim Watley

is introduced as Marty's campaign

: 1639

01:04:27,273 --> 01:04:31,613

manager, whose job is to make sure

Marty, quote unquote, doesn't suck.

: 1640

01:04:32,263 --> 01:04:35,883

Tim Watley serves the B story

because he's going to drive both of

: 1641

01:04:35,883 --> 01:04:37,863

the leads to their spiritual goal.

: 1642

01:04:39,053 --> 01:04:40,303

All right, fun and games.

: 1643

01:04:40,563 --> 01:04:45,083

Now in the thick of the campaign, we have

our first candidate debate on live TV.

: 1644

01:04:45,203 --> 01:04:49,423

A Marty's inability to talk trash.

: 1645

01:04:52,328 --> 01:04:55,605

I can't even get this off of me, this

: 1646

01:04:55,605 --> 01:04:55,969

Chris: is

: 1647

01:04:55,969 --> 01:04:56,697

Jerome: so funny.

: 1648

01:04:56,697 --> 01:04:59,308

So he's like, that's your trash talking?

: 1649

01:04:59,498 --> 01:05:01,138

He's like, this is how I trash talk.

: 1650

01:05:01,138 --> 01:05:04,828

He says, what's the difference

between your mom and a wash machine?

: 1651

01:05:05,058 --> 01:05:08,818

When I dump a load in a wash machine, it

doesn't follow me around for three weeks.

: 1652

01:05:10,378 --> 01:05:10,908

God.

: 1653

01:05:14,028 --> 01:05:17,123

So re watching this movie for the podcast.

: 1654

01:05:17,363 --> 01:05:21,103

I had to pause it because I

laughed as hard this time as

: 1655

01:05:21,103 --> 01:05:23,033

I did the first time I saw it.

: 1656

01:05:23,293 --> 01:05:26,183

Because I think I had forgotten

that joke, but God, that's so great.

: 1657

01:05:27,363 --> 01:05:29,593

Chris: Once again, a sixth

grader wrote that one.

: 1658

01:05:29,593 --> 01:05:30,023

Yes!

: 1659

01:05:30,213 --> 01:05:32,273

Jerome: And I laughed my ass off.

: 1660

01:05:33,333 --> 01:05:34,283

Such a great line.

: 1661

01:05:34,303 --> 01:05:35,203

That's great trash talk.

: 1662

01:05:35,223 --> 01:05:36,043

That's a good mom joke.

: 1663

01:05:36,573 --> 01:05:40,003

Alright, and it clearly hurts Marty's

feelings, like that's the other

: 1664

01:05:40,003 --> 01:05:41,893

funny part is it really crushes him.

: 1665

01:05:43,233 --> 01:05:48,368

But he is able to land his Staple campaign

slogan in that scene bring your broom

: 1666

01:05:48,408 --> 01:05:52,933

because it's a mess which is also a

play on the theme Alright, so this is

: 1667

01:05:52,943 --> 01:05:58,193

immediately followed by the baby punch

scene, which is another thing that I'd

: 1668

01:05:58,223 --> 01:06:00,513

never seen in a movie until this day.

: 1669

01:06:00,993 --> 01:06:05,463

I remember when I saw Pet Sematary

in the theater and the semi runs over

: 1670

01:06:05,463 --> 01:06:09,193

the kid, I remember thinking, That's

the first time I've ever seen that.

: 1671

01:06:09,333 --> 01:06:10,953

You don't kill kids in movies.

: 1672

01:06:11,003 --> 01:06:12,263

Like, you don't show that.

: 1673

01:06:12,273 --> 01:06:13,623

Chris: Well, tell that to Stephen King.

: 1674

01:06:13,803 --> 01:06:14,613

Jerome: Exactly.

: 1675

01:06:14,813 --> 01:06:17,243

But then I felt the same thing

when I saw this movie for the

: 1676

01:06:17,243 --> 01:06:18,033

first time in the theater.

: 1677

01:06:18,033 --> 01:06:19,573

I'm like, they just punched a kid.

: 1678

01:06:19,723 --> 01:06:21,093

They punched a baby.

: 1679

01:06:21,383 --> 01:06:23,423

Like like, that's hilarious, dude.

: 1680

01:06:23,913 --> 01:06:25,103

Then we go into a montage of cams.

: 1681

01:06:25,103 --> 01:06:26,093

Cams, cams.

: 1682

01:06:26,153 --> 01:06:30,463

Into the second debate, Marty corners

Cam by asking him to recite the Lord's

: 1683

01:06:31,128 --> 01:06:34,678

And when Cam agrees, he starts with,

at this time, I'd like the media

: 1684

01:06:34,678 --> 01:06:36,088

to turn off any recording devices.

: 1685

01:06:38,088 --> 01:06:41,798

Could you imagine if a politician

said that during a live debate?

: 1686

01:06:42,158 --> 01:06:45,408

Alright, so this of course sets

up, oh and by the way, I don't

: 1687

01:06:45,408 --> 01:06:48,868

want to bury the joke of the story

there, but he can't do it, right?

: 1688

01:06:48,878 --> 01:06:50,678

He's trying to recite the Lord's Prayer.

: 1689

01:06:51,338 --> 01:06:54,288

It's kind of like, again, I don't want

to get too much into real politics,

: 1690

01:06:54,288 --> 01:06:58,303

but when those guys ask Trump what his

favorite But line of the Bible was, and

: 1691

01:06:58,303 --> 01:07:00,403

he's all, he's all, it's very personal.

: 1692

01:07:00,403 --> 01:07:03,017

I don't want to talk about

: 1693

01:07:03,017 --> 01:07:03,510

Chris: it.

: 1694

01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:04,273

Jerome: It's almost the same

: 1695

01:07:04,303 --> 01:07:04,593

Chris: thing,

: 1696

01:07:07,423 --> 01:07:11,293

Jerome: but yeah, so he can't do the

Lord's prayer and his Mitch, his campaign

: 1697

01:07:11,293 --> 01:07:13,243

advisor is trying to like do the charades.

: 1698

01:07:13,303 --> 01:07:13,733

Actually.

: 1699

01:07:13,733 --> 01:07:14,253

That's almost

: 1700

01:07:14,253 --> 01:07:18,553

Chris: exactly, that's like reality

mimicking art because that came out a

: 1701

01:07:18,553 --> 01:07:24,293

long time ago and this movie did, but

seriously asking someone that claims

: 1702

01:07:24,293 --> 01:07:25,943

to be a Christian, their favorite.

: 1703

01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:27,903

Story in the Bible.

: 1704

01:07:27,923 --> 01:07:29,763

I mean that leaves it wide open.

: 1705

01:07:29,763 --> 01:07:30,703

That's a softball.

: 1706

01:07:30,973 --> 01:07:33,893

Jerome: Yeah, that shouldn't be

too hard to answer Yeah, I can do

: 1707

01:07:33,893 --> 01:07:34,033

Chris: that.

: 1708

01:07:34,353 --> 01:07:35,753

Also in this movie.

: 1709

01:07:35,883 --> 01:07:38,183

I mean if you claim to be a

Christian You should be able

: 1710

01:07:38,183 --> 01:07:39,403

to recite the Lord's Prayer.

: 1711

01:07:39,433 --> 01:07:39,933

I mean, yeah

: 1712

01:07:39,933 --> 01:07:45,533

Jerome: But he butchers it of course

because he doesn't know it his version is

: 1713

01:07:45,613 --> 01:07:49,293

hilarious but really really bad Okay, so

: 1714

01:07:51,408 --> 01:07:53,288

So this, of course,

sets off a new montage.

: 1715

01:07:53,288 --> 01:07:54,858

By the way, this movie

is filled with montages.

: 1716

01:07:54,918 --> 01:07:55,188

Yeah.

: 1717

01:07:55,218 --> 01:07:57,598

As they show the candidates

taking on religion.

: 1718

01:07:57,598 --> 01:07:57,798

Right?

: 1719

01:07:57,798 --> 01:07:58,158

Right?

: 1720

01:07:58,288 --> 01:08:01,598

Following that debate, they're

both trying to take on religion.

: 1721

01:08:01,818 --> 01:08:04,088

And like is it Cam that

gets bit by the snake?

: 1722

01:08:04,088 --> 01:08:05,018

Is that like a snake charmer?

: 1723

01:08:05,018 --> 01:08:07,098

His arm gets bit.

: 1724

01:08:07,628 --> 01:08:11,568

So after a stressful beginning to the

campaign, the Huggins family decides to

: 1725

01:08:11,568 --> 01:08:15,468

have a little slice of heaven night where

they all just let loose and be themselves.

: 1726

01:08:16,087 --> 01:08:20,457

Until Drunk Tim Watley comes in,

and it's another one of my favorite

: 1727

01:08:20,457 --> 01:08:23,518

scenes, where he comes in the

middle of them dancing, and he says,

: 1728

01:08:23,718 --> 01:08:25,738

What the fuck is going on here?

: 1729

01:08:26,218 --> 01:08:31,468

And then moments later he says, Marty, I

need you kicking Cam's balls in on a daily

: 1730

01:08:31,468 --> 01:08:35,568

basis, and I come in here and find you

playing hee haw with the fuckaround gang.

: 1731

01:08:38,888 --> 01:08:41,438

I almost beat myself when

I was in the theater, man.

: 1732

01:08:43,957 --> 01:08:47,462

So like, yes, these

Sophomore junior high jokes.

: 1733

01:08:47,563 --> 01:08:48,372

Oh my god.

: 1734

01:08:48,452 --> 01:08:52,063

When I was re watching this, this is, by

the way, I've only seen this movie twice.

: 1735

01:08:52,243 --> 01:08:56,533

In the theater in: 2012

two days ago for this podcast.

: 1736

01:08:57,643 --> 01:09:02,448

So I was reminded of all the jokes

that I laughed at when I was 12

: 1737

01:09:02,448 --> 01:09:05,488

years younger but man, oh god,

some of them were pretty funny.

: 1738

01:09:05,688 --> 01:09:08,398

So that brings us directly,

and I mean almost in the same

: 1739

01:09:08,398 --> 01:09:09,497

scene, to the midpoint scene.

: 1740

01:09:09,497 --> 01:09:14,548

At the 43 minute mark, Marty commits to

Tim, and lets him know that he's gonna

: 1741

01:09:14,558 --> 01:09:16,028

take it seriously from here on out.

: 1742

01:09:16,028 --> 01:09:18,188

Which alienates and pisses off Mitzi.

: 1743

01:09:18,428 --> 01:09:18,738

Right.

: 1744

01:09:18,848 --> 01:09:21,747

Just about the time this happens, Cam Jr.

: 1745

01:09:21,798 --> 01:09:24,788

comes into Cam's office and tells him

he's gonna run for class president.

: 1746

01:09:25,663 --> 01:09:29,603

But, just like his dad, policy

doesn't matter, he's gonna use lies,

: 1747

01:09:29,613 --> 01:09:33,973

slander, and attack ads, and culture

war issues, just like his dad does.

: 1748

01:09:34,303 --> 01:09:36,033

This kinda upsets Cam a little bit.

: 1749

01:09:36,673 --> 01:09:38,523

So, they're false victories for both.

: 1750

01:09:38,712 --> 01:09:42,622

Marty and Tim seem to be on the path to

win, but at the cost of losing his family.

: 1751

01:09:42,893 --> 01:09:46,773

Cam appears to have the affection

of his son, but at the cost

: 1752

01:09:46,983 --> 01:09:48,292

of decency and righteousness.

: 1753

01:09:48,948 --> 01:09:53,707

And the theme is rearing its ugly head

again as the audience is being, you know,

: 1754

01:09:53,718 --> 01:09:55,548

delivered this promise of the premise.

: 1755

01:09:56,298 --> 01:09:57,648

Alright, bad guys closing in.

: 1756

01:09:57,658 --> 01:10:01,978

Marty gets Cam drunk and then gets

him pulled over in a hilarious

: 1757

01:10:01,998 --> 01:10:06,048

drunk stop scene that's being

recorded on the cop's dash cam.

: 1758

01:10:06,128 --> 01:10:06,468

Chris: Yeah.

: 1759

01:10:06,838 --> 01:10:09,798

Jerome: We have the third debate

now where Marty turns up the heat

: 1760

01:10:09,798 --> 01:10:14,138

by bringing out Cam's second grade

manifesto called Rainbowland.

: 1761

01:10:14,138 --> 01:10:16,808

And calls it communist.

: 1762

01:10:18,383 --> 01:10:23,668

And is followed by a dog punch

which mirrors the baby punch

: 1763

01:10:23,668 --> 01:10:25,128

only this time he hits a dog.

: 1764

01:10:25,718 --> 01:10:27,428

So punching a baby wasn't bad enough.

: 1765

01:10:27,768 --> 01:10:31,028

Okay, Rose then leaves

Cam because he's losing.

: 1766

01:10:31,693 --> 01:10:33,523

He's on the ropes in this

campaign, by the way.

: 1767

01:10:33,523 --> 01:10:35,413

This segment is like all Marty.

: 1768

01:10:35,893 --> 01:10:39,853

And he hits his breaking point when

he sees a Marty Huggins attack ad

: 1769

01:10:39,863 --> 01:10:42,863

where he befriends Cam's son, Cam Jr.

: 1770

01:10:42,863 --> 01:10:47,403

And gets him to call him

dad in the attack ad.

: 1771

01:10:47,403 --> 01:10:52,033

An enraged Cam declares, quote,

you get my son to call you daddy?

: 1772

01:10:52,113 --> 01:10:53,223

I fuck your wife.

: 1773

01:10:54,533 --> 01:10:56,153

And Mitch goes, that's the deal?

: 1774

01:10:56,153 --> 01:10:57,253

And he goes, that's the deal.

: 1775

01:10:58,143 --> 01:10:59,193

Chris: It's crazy.

: 1776

01:10:59,633 --> 01:11:05,813

Jerome: So Cam goes to see Mitzi

and does in fact seduce her and

: 1777

01:11:05,813 --> 01:11:07,813

records her having sex with him.

: 1778

01:11:08,452 --> 01:11:12,823

Against Mitch's wishes, he intends to

air the footage in his own attack ad.

: 1779

01:11:13,063 --> 01:11:17,353

Once again, getting further and

further away from any subs, you know,

: 1780

01:11:17,353 --> 01:11:20,143

substantial policy issues, right?

: 1781

01:11:20,273 --> 01:11:24,133

Again, the premise we're talking

about, you know, how bad it

: 1782

01:11:24,133 --> 01:11:25,403

gets in Washington, right?

: 1783

01:11:26,843 --> 01:11:27,702

All is lost.

: 1784

01:11:27,702 --> 01:11:30,883

A furious Mitch quits and

now Cam is running his own

: 1785

01:11:30,883 --> 01:11:32,783

campaign at the 59 minute mark.

: 1786

01:11:33,033 --> 01:11:37,083

Likewise, in the next scene at 1

hour 1 minute, the Huggins family

: 1787

01:11:37,202 --> 01:11:40,873

has it out over Mitzi's infidelity

and she leaves her husband.

: 1788

01:11:41,223 --> 01:11:44,163

So both candidates at this

point have hit rock bottom.

: 1789

01:11:44,588 --> 01:11:44,898

Right.

: 1790

01:11:45,128 --> 01:11:46,088

This is a pretty clear.

: 1791

01:11:46,088 --> 01:11:46,628

All is lost.

: 1792

01:11:46,668 --> 01:11:46,958

Yeah.

: 1793

01:11:47,628 --> 01:11:48,488

Dark night of the soul.

: 1794

01:11:48,508 --> 01:11:51,958

Marty meets with the match brothers,

but shoots down their proposal to

: 1795

01:11:51,958 --> 01:11:53,577

turn the district over to China.

: 1796

01:11:53,958 --> 01:11:57,827

The matches pull their support and

shift Tim Watley over to cam, which

: 1797

01:11:57,878 --> 01:12:02,108

leads us directly to break into three

at the one hour, six minute mark.

: 1798

01:12:02,108 --> 01:12:07,213

The new and improved cam Brady

is now represented by Tim And

: 1799

01:12:07,223 --> 01:12:08,593

he's going to take on Marty.

: 1800

01:12:08,593 --> 01:12:08,943

Okay.

: 1801

01:12:08,943 --> 01:12:09,853

Five point finale.

: 1802

01:12:09,853 --> 01:12:10,293

Here we go.

: 1803

01:12:10,293 --> 01:12:12,503

Gathering the team, the

Huggins family reunites.

: 1804

01:12:12,983 --> 01:12:13,843

All is forgiven.

: 1805

01:12:13,883 --> 01:12:15,452

Execute execution of the plan.

: 1806

01:12:15,513 --> 01:12:20,202

Marty turns out the matches to the

public, exposing their ties to China.

: 1807

01:12:20,543 --> 01:12:23,083

And he even says, quote,

telling the truth feels good.

: 1808

01:12:23,093 --> 01:12:25,493

He says, this is Marty's premise delivery.

: 1809

01:12:26,168 --> 01:12:27,158

High tower surprise.

: 1810

01:12:27,288 --> 01:12:29,518

Cam still wins, but the

election was rigged.

: 1811

01:12:29,948 --> 01:12:32,228

Big down Where have we

heard that argument before?

: 1812

01:12:32,568 --> 01:12:33,278

Dig down deep.

: 1813

01:12:33,288 --> 01:12:37,028

Marty opens up to Cam about the

jungle gym and the slide that

: 1814

01:12:37,058 --> 01:12:38,868

scarred him physically for life.

: 1815

01:12:39,258 --> 01:12:43,478

Cam realizes that honesty and integrity

is what's needed in Washington, not

: 1816

01:12:43,478 --> 01:12:45,428

the backstabbing lies and culture wars.

: 1817

01:12:46,028 --> 01:12:47,958

And he reunites with Mitch.

: 1818

01:12:48,218 --> 01:12:49,508

Execution of the new plan?

: 1819

01:12:49,973 --> 01:12:53,603

Cam gives it all back and turns the

election win over to Marty Huggins,

: 1820

01:12:53,643 --> 01:12:57,363

effectively leaving the outhouse

stink of politics behind him.

: 1821

01:12:57,573 --> 01:12:59,373

This is Cam's preface delivery.

: 1822

01:12:59,483 --> 01:13:03,952

So you see how they both met their

spiritual goal in the same finale.

: 1823

01:13:04,193 --> 01:13:07,013

Resolution, the Motch brothers

are served a subpoena.

: 1824

01:13:07,373 --> 01:13:09,303

Closing image, bookend

to the opening image.

: 1825

01:13:09,423 --> 01:13:12,913

Instead of Mitch prepping Cam

for a speech, it's Cam prepping

: 1826

01:13:12,913 --> 01:13:14,653

and building up Marty for his.

: 1827

01:13:15,153 --> 01:13:16,373

Alright, notes on character.

: 1828

01:13:16,373 --> 01:13:20,633

Tangible goal, to succeed at any cost,

which both achieve at the midpoint.

: 1829

01:13:20,923 --> 01:13:26,063

Spiritual goal, to shed the stink of

political crap, the political outhouse

: 1830

01:13:26,063 --> 01:13:30,683

as it were, a metaphor, behind and be

a successful leader for the people.

: 1831

01:13:32,403 --> 01:13:33,943

Alright, what do you think

before I get into trivia?

: 1832

01:13:34,683 --> 01:13:36,593

Chris: Well, I already tipped my hand.

: 1833

01:13:36,873 --> 01:13:38,753

Jerome: I think I got you laughing

though at a few of those jokes.

: 1834

01:13:38,753 --> 01:13:40,303

Yeah, no, I mean, you know,

: 1835

01:13:40,303 --> 01:13:42,263

Chris: I mean, I was 12 once.

: 1836

01:13:42,403 --> 01:13:45,143

So, it's, you know, I could

find that humor still.

: 1837

01:13:45,323 --> 01:13:47,633

Jerome: So the 12 year old inside

of you laughed at those jokes?

: 1838

01:13:47,633 --> 01:13:48,373

Oh, hell yeah.

: 1839

01:13:49,173 --> 01:13:49,870

Chris: Yeah, it's just,

: 1840

01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:50,757

Jerome: the fuck around gang?

: 1841

01:13:51,057 --> 01:13:52,287

Chris: It's so over the top.

: 1842

01:13:52,777 --> 01:13:53,110

I don't know, man.

: 1843

01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:53,827

The fuck around

: 1844

01:13:53,837 --> 01:13:54,357

Jerome: gang.

: 1845

01:13:55,002 --> 01:13:57,452

Chris: I guess 12 year

olds need movies, too.

: 1846

01:13:57,602 --> 01:13:58,552

Jerome: Alright, here we go.

: 1847

01:13:58,922 --> 01:14:01,482

Alright, I'm not gonna ask

you which movie was better.

: 1848

01:14:01,482 --> 01:14:02,882

We already know who wins this matchup.

: 1849

01:14:03,232 --> 01:14:03,992

Alright, trivia.

: 1850

01:14:04,012 --> 01:14:07,522

When Tim Watley is trying to

toughen up Marty, he's making him

: 1851

01:14:07,532 --> 01:14:09,702

say lines spoken by Burt Reynolds?

: 1852

01:14:10,072 --> 01:14:13,582

The episode that they're watching that

he's pulling this from is a TV show called

: 1853

01:14:13,642 --> 01:14:16,452

BL Striker, an old Burt Reynolds TV show.

: 1854

01:14:16,752 --> 01:14:19,682

The funny thing is in the scene that

they show, there's a young Michael

: 1855

01:14:19,682 --> 01:14:21,072

Chiklis in the scene with him.

: 1856

01:14:21,182 --> 01:14:22,762

Chris: I thought that

that scene was funny.

: 1857

01:14:23,372 --> 01:14:23,392

Jerome: Yeah.

: 1858

01:14:24,832 --> 01:14:25,862

The Motch Brothers.

: 1859

01:14:26,302 --> 01:14:28,512

Another part of trivia, the Motch

Brothers are based on the real

: 1860

01:14:28,512 --> 01:14:32,072

life Koch Brothers, who are major

contributors to conservative policies.

: 1861

01:14:32,252 --> 01:14:34,672

There's always that conspiracy theory

that the Koch Brothers are like

: 1862

01:14:34,672 --> 01:14:36,112

secretly running the world, you know?

: 1863

01:14:36,472 --> 01:14:38,412

Like them and the Illuminati, you know?

: 1864

01:14:38,412 --> 01:14:39,352

You always hear that shit.

: 1865

01:14:39,692 --> 01:14:41,382

So the Motch Brothers were based on them.

: 1866

01:14:41,852 --> 01:14:46,692

Zach Galifianakis real life uncle was an

actual representative in North Carolina,

: 1867

01:14:46,882 --> 01:14:50,647

but lost a: 1972

: 1868

01:14:50,887 --> 01:14:54,487

In the movie, the campaign, the

character of Marty's dad, Raymond

: 1869

01:14:54,497 --> 01:14:56,277

Huggins, played by What's his face?

: 1870

01:14:57,217 --> 01:14:57,687

Oh my god.

: 1871

01:14:58,817 --> 01:14:59,667

Cox, Brian Cox.

: 1872

01:14:59,667 --> 01:15:02,797

He is said to have been the

campaign manager to Jesse Helms.

: 1873

01:15:02,817 --> 01:15:04,257

So, little line in there for fun.

: 1874

01:15:04,807 --> 01:15:06,737

Alright, anything before

we get to six degrees?

: 1875

01:15:06,987 --> 01:15:09,077

Chris: No, please, let's

get to six degrees.

: 1876

01:15:09,197 --> 01:15:09,227

But

: 1877

01:15:09,267 --> 01:15:13,527

Jerome: wait, wait, wait, so, so for

the audience, we did pose a question.

: 1878

01:15:13,567 --> 01:15:13,857

Chris: Yeah.

: 1879

01:15:14,237 --> 01:15:15,297

Jerome: We posed the question.

: 1880

01:15:15,297 --> 01:15:19,407

The question was, Are

there any good politicians?

: 1881

01:15:20,437 --> 01:15:25,197

So the answer is, If Kevin Kline

existed as Dave, We would have one.

: 1882

01:15:26,987 --> 01:15:30,417

But actually, Can you make an

argument that Marty Huggins Ends

: 1883

01:15:30,417 --> 01:15:34,027

up after he finds his spiritual

goal, He becomes a politician.

: 1884

01:15:34,197 --> 01:15:36,147

He becomes a good politician, right?

: 1885

01:15:36,257 --> 01:15:36,457

Yeah.

: 1886

01:15:36,667 --> 01:15:40,447

So okay, so the answer is, In the movie

world, you can have good politicians.

: 1887

01:15:41,307 --> 01:15:44,057

We haven't seen one in

the real life world yet.

: 1888

01:15:45,477 --> 01:15:49,597

As much as you love the presidents,

either side of the aisle you are on,

: 1889

01:15:49,597 --> 01:15:51,517

we don't pick sides on this show.

: 1890

01:15:51,777 --> 01:15:53,447

We are inclusive to everybody.

: 1891

01:15:54,817 --> 01:15:57,157

Nobody walks away clean out of Washington.

: 1892

01:15:57,237 --> 01:16:00,247

Everybody's got some sort

of outhouse stink on them.

: 1893

01:16:00,327 --> 01:16:03,207

Chris: On this show we don't take

sides, but if you turn the mics

: 1894

01:16:03,207 --> 01:16:07,042

off and meet us at the bar, we can

Have a doozy of a conversation.

: 1895

01:16:07,312 --> 01:16:11,072

Jerome: Oh, yeah, see, my brother and

I often disagree, which would make it

: 1896

01:16:11,082 --> 01:16:14,792

fun if we did air an episode, because

we would include everybody, because

: 1897

01:16:14,792 --> 01:16:17,412

half the audience would side with me,

and the other half would side with you.

: 1898

01:16:17,412 --> 01:16:17,552

Yeah,

: 1899

01:16:17,702 --> 01:16:19,492

Chris: we'd probably have

a better podcast, too.

: 1900

01:16:20,272 --> 01:16:21,372

Jerome: We might get more listeners.

: 1901

01:16:21,372 --> 01:16:27,132

Alright, six degrees,

what do you have for me?

: 1902

01:16:27,382 --> 01:16:31,582

Chris: Alright, so I, I literally had

to go through these casts because there

: 1903

01:16:31,582 --> 01:16:34,232

are some big names in both these movies.

: 1904

01:16:34,682 --> 01:16:38,932

And, you know, I try, when we do the

Six Degrees, I try to find two people

: 1905

01:16:38,932 --> 01:16:42,022

that you might have a difficulty

connecting within Six Degrees.

: 1906

01:16:42,382 --> 01:16:45,812

So they, you know, can't be in a

lot of popular movies or, you know,

: 1907

01:16:45,812 --> 01:16:47,292

whatever, haven't done a lot of movies.

: 1908

01:16:47,522 --> 01:16:50,722

So, I, I chose Frank Drank.

: 1909

01:16:51,387 --> 01:16:53,007

Number one because of his name.

: 1910

01:16:54,287 --> 01:16:55,227

Frank Drank.

: 1911

01:16:56,097 --> 01:16:57,607

You know, it's happy hour.

: 1912

01:16:57,607 --> 01:16:59,327

So I chose Frank Drank.

: 1913

01:16:59,327 --> 01:17:01,527

He was a biker in the campaign.

: 1914

01:17:02,247 --> 01:17:03,677

And Sarah Marshall.

: 1915

01:17:04,382 --> 01:17:06,872

Who played Diane in Dave.

: 1916

01:17:07,342 --> 01:17:12,062

Jerome: So Diane in Dave, if I

remember correctly, she's the secretary

: 1917

01:17:12,062 --> 01:17:16,362

that when Murray comes to visit, he

says, hey, can they rustle up from

: 1918

01:17:16,372 --> 01:17:18,782

some fresh, fresh bratwurst, right?

: 1919

01:17:19,132 --> 01:17:19,192

Yeah.

: 1920

01:17:19,642 --> 01:17:21,622

She's the one that says, yeah,

I think that can be arranged.

: 1921

01:17:21,622 --> 01:17:22,722

So she takes their food order.

: 1922

01:17:22,722 --> 01:17:23,572

That's her, right?

: 1923

01:17:23,842 --> 01:17:24,962

Yeah, I think so.

: 1924

01:17:25,342 --> 01:17:27,802

And Frank Drank is a biker.

: 1925

01:17:28,532 --> 01:17:31,822

And it's got to be the scene where

Cam is like trying to relate to all

: 1926

01:17:31,832 --> 01:17:34,452

the, Is there bikers in like a bar?

: 1927

01:17:34,512 --> 01:17:35,382

I can't remember where

: 1928

01:17:35,382 --> 01:17:38,562

Chris: he, there's it's, I,

I, I saw it and it was like a,

: 1929

01:17:39,102 --> 01:17:40,362

Jerome: he's got a big beard, right?

: 1930

01:17:40,362 --> 01:17:40,932

Yeah, he's got a long beard.

: 1931

01:17:40,932 --> 01:17:41,172

It was like,

: 1932

01:17:41,682 --> 01:17:43,332

Chris: I don't even know if

it was, I don't think he was

: 1933

01:17:43,332 --> 01:17:44,772

on screen for 30 seconds.

: 1934

01:17:45,732 --> 01:17:46,212

.

Jerome: Okay.

: 1935

01:17:46,212 --> 01:17:46,932

So it was a really

: 1936

01:17:46,932 --> 01:17:47,682

Chris: quick scene.

: 1937

01:17:47,922 --> 01:17:48,462

Jerome: All right.

: 1938

01:17:48,462 --> 01:17:51,732

So Frank drank and it is a great

name by the way, Frank, if you're

: 1939

01:17:51,732 --> 01:17:54,522

listening , I know you're not,

but if you were great name.

: 1940

01:17:55,092 --> 01:18:00,072

So Frank Drank was in the

: 2014

: 1941

01:18:00,666 --> 01:18:03,437

With Robert Patrick of T2 fame.

: 1942

01:18:04,117 --> 01:18:09,387

Robert Patrick was in a: 1998

called Ambushed with Courtney B.

: 1943

01:18:09,387 --> 01:18:15,687

Vance who was in the: 1995

Dangerous Minds with Sarah Marshall.

: 1944

01:18:15,937 --> 01:18:16,567

Wow.

: 1945

01:18:17,227 --> 01:18:17,737

Wait, what year was

: 1946

01:18:17,737 --> 01:18:18,882

Chris: the Sarah Marshall film?

: 1947

01:18:20,412 --> 01:18:21,262

Jerome: Dangerous Minds?

: 1948

01:18:21,502 --> 01:18:22,182

Yeah, what year was that?

: 1949

01:18:22,192 --> 01:18:22,502

Ninety five.

: 1950

01:18:22,502 --> 01:18:23,282

Ninety

: 1951

01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:24,062

Chris: five.

: 1952

01:18:24,062 --> 01:18:26,562

,: 2014

: 1953

01:18:26,572 --> 01:18:30,642

So, Frank Drank can

connect to Sarah Marshall.

: 1954

01:18:30,882 --> 01:18:32,222

Chris: That's, and how many?

: 1955

01:18:32,242 --> 01:18:32,822

Was it three?

: 1956

01:18:32,942 --> 01:18:33,582

Jerome: That was three.

: 1957

01:18:33,602 --> 01:18:34,202

Yeah, that's

: 1958

01:18:34,202 --> 01:18:34,662

Chris: crazy.

: 1959

01:18:34,782 --> 01:18:35,942

Now, now, wait, wait.

: 1960

01:18:35,942 --> 01:18:39,432

Looking back, she did a lot

of TV back in the 50s and 60s.

: 1961

01:18:39,782 --> 01:18:42,152

Jerome: They actually, Frank

Dranks had a lot of TV too.

: 1962

01:18:42,692 --> 01:18:46,832

I looked a lot of his, he had short

films and, and, and television episodes.

: 1963

01:18:46,832 --> 01:18:47,177

How, how

: 1964

01:18:47,182 --> 01:18:47,732

Chris: old was she?

: 1965

01:18:47,732 --> 01:18:49,922

'cause in the fifties she must Oh wow.

: 1966

01:18:51,092 --> 01:18:52,982

Oh, she passed away in: 2014

: 1967

01:18:53,582 --> 01:18:53,942

Wow.

: 1968

01:18:53,942 --> 01:18:54,692

Two Sarah,

: 1969

01:18:55,112 --> 01:18:56,762

Jerome: two years after

the campaign came out.

: 1970

01:18:56,822 --> 01:18:57,812

Oh, Davis.

: 1971

01:18:57,812 --> 01:18:58,532

She was in Davis.

: 1972

01:18:58,532 --> 01:19:00,572

Chris: She was older

than I thought she was.

: 1973

01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:04,122

'cause she was, she must, she was 78

years old when the movie came out.

: 1974

01:19:05,922 --> 01:19:07,512

in: 1993

: 1975

01:19:08,922 --> 01:19:09,412

She was in Dave.

: 1976

01:19:09,452 --> 01:19:10,122

Oh, I'm sorry.

: 1977

01:19:10,142 --> 01:19:11,012

No, I'm sorry.

: 1978

01:19:11,392 --> 01:19:12,242

I don't know what I'm thinking.

: 1979

01:19:12,642 --> 01:19:13,382

Yeah, that's dumb.

: 1980

01:19:14,922 --> 01:19:15,462

I'm, I don't know.

: 1981

01:19:15,472 --> 01:19:17,772

I'm, I'm thinking I'm thinking of

: 1982

01:19:17,772 --> 01:19:18,472

Jerome: Frank Drink.

: 1983

01:19:18,532 --> 01:19:20,582

This is what champagne does to my brother.

: 1984

01:19:20,582 --> 01:19:21,152

I'm sorry.

: 1985

01:19:21,152 --> 01:19:22,182

I got the movie mixed up.

: 1986

01:19:22,212 --> 01:19:22,512

Yeah.

: 1987

01:19:22,512 --> 01:19:23,462

She was in Dave.

: 1988

01:19:23,472 --> 01:19:24,502

She was in Dave.

: 1989

01:19:25,302 --> 01:19:25,642

Chris: Okay.

: 1990

01:19:26,312 --> 01:19:29,202

Jerome: But still, she was an

older woman in Dave, so, and that

: 1991

01:19:29,202 --> 01:19:29,952

Chris: was 93.

: 1992

01:19:29,962 --> 01:19:33,622

She was in an episode

of Star Trek in: 1967

: 1993

01:19:34,102 --> 01:19:34,872

A little more trivia.

: 1994

01:19:35,132 --> 01:19:35,452

Anyways.

: 1995

01:19:35,452 --> 01:19:36,032

Jerome: Nice.

: 1996

01:19:36,092 --> 01:19:36,562

Good job.

: 1997

01:19:36,602 --> 01:19:36,902

Okay.

: 1998

01:19:36,962 --> 01:19:37,572

Wait, wait, wait.

: 1999

01:19:37,622 --> 01:19:40,022

I have a, I have a little, I

have a little one for you here.

: 2000

01:19:40,552 --> 01:19:46,742

Because I thought you would give me

shit for Ambushed: 1998

: 2001

01:19:47,572 --> 01:19:49,892

And it's one of those, like,

straight to DVD things, but in

: 2002

01:19:49,932 --> 01:19:52,192

IMDB it's listed as TV movie.

: 2003

01:19:52,222 --> 01:19:54,602

Now, it can't be a TV movie

because it was rated R.

: 2004

01:19:54,612 --> 01:19:58,462

It actually was given an R rating

by the Motion Picture Association

: 2005

01:19:58,462 --> 01:20:00,782

of America, which means it

technically cannot be a TV movie.

: 2006

01:20:01,041 --> 01:20:04,152

But, knowing you, you always give

me shit when I pick a movie, and

: 2007

01:20:04,152 --> 01:20:06,902

you're just like, Nope, you can't

use that, that's a TV movie.

: 2008

01:20:07,092 --> 01:20:08,552

Chris: To be honest, I wasn't checking.

: 2009

01:20:08,852 --> 01:20:11,742

Jerome: You didn't check, but

if you did, I had a backup.

: 2010

01:20:11,782 --> 01:20:12,653

Are you ready for the backup?

: 2011

01:20:12,653 --> 01:20:13,457

Yeah, let's hear the backup.

: 2012

01:20:13,767 --> 01:20:17,067

All right, the backup is in four,

not three, but here's the backup.

: 2013

01:20:17,277 --> 01:20:21,027

Drank was in And They're Off,: 2011

: 2014

01:20:21,517 --> 01:20:23,017

That's the name of the

movie, And They're Off.

: 2015

01:20:23,777 --> 01:20:26,757

ith Martin Mull, who's in the: 1983

: 2016

01:20:26,757 --> 01:20:32,857

Mom, with Michael Keaton, who is in

the: 1992

: 2017

01:20:32,877 --> 01:20:37,577

ffer, who of course is in the: 1995

Dangerous Minds with Sarah Martin.

: 2018

01:20:37,577 --> 01:20:38,327

So is that four?

: 2019

01:20:38,602 --> 01:20:43,312

So it's for if you lose, if you use

theatrical releases only, actually, I

: 2020

01:20:43,312 --> 01:20:47,052

don't even know if there and thereof,

which was a Sean Astin movie, I don't

: 2021

01:20:47,052 --> 01:20:50,212

even know if that was in the theaters,

but it doesn't say TV movie at IMDb.

: 2022

01:20:50,262 --> 01:20:50,602

Yeah,

: 2023

01:20:50,642 --> 01:20:51,112

Chris: that's crazy.

: 2024

01:20:51,372 --> 01:20:54,332

Does to get the R rating,

did it have to be?

: 2025

01:20:54,962 --> 01:20:55,842

Jerome: That's why I'm confused.

: 2026

01:20:55,842 --> 01:20:59,102

That's the first time I've ever

seen most of the time on IMDb.

: 2027

01:20:59,102 --> 01:21:00,762

If it says TV movie, it says NR.

: 2028

01:21:00,822 --> 01:21:02,272

I wonder if it was shown

: 2029

01:21:02,272 --> 01:21:04,682

Chris: on a screen somewhere

and it just didn't get.

: 2030

01:21:05,247 --> 01:21:08,987

Jerome: Yeah, normally it'll say NR

for no rating if it's a TV movie.

: 2031

01:21:09,007 --> 01:21:10,007

Huh, interesting.

: 2032

01:21:10,097 --> 01:21:13,257

But anyway, I gave you two just in

case you gave me shit on the first one.

: 2033

01:21:14,297 --> 01:21:16,916

All right, so we already answered the

question we posed to the audience.

: 2034

01:21:16,916 --> 01:21:18,337

How about the movie going question?

: 2035

01:21:18,337 --> 01:21:19,337

Which movie was better?

: 2036

01:21:19,717 --> 01:21:20,377

Chris: I think we know.

: 2037

01:21:20,377 --> 01:21:21,307

I think we know.

: 2038

01:21:21,407 --> 01:21:24,277

I mean, you know what it

depends on the crowd and what

: 2039

01:21:24,277 --> 01:21:25,467

you're what you want I guess.

: 2040

01:21:25,497 --> 01:21:26,237

Yeah, I guess if you're

: 2041

01:21:26,237 --> 01:21:28,157

Jerome: high and you're

with all your friends.

: 2042

01:21:28,416 --> 01:21:30,017

Chris: Yeah, if you're getting

baked with all your friends I mean

: 2043

01:21:30,017 --> 01:21:31,737

the campaign is the obvious choice.

: 2044

01:21:31,817 --> 01:21:32,977

Jerome: Pop in the campaign.

: 2045

01:21:33,377 --> 01:21:37,437

But if you want a good movie to watch with

mom that you rented from Skip's video on

: 2046

01:21:37,467 --> 01:21:42,052

Friday night in: 1993

: 2047

01:21:42,082 --> 01:21:44,272

And Mom, by the way, mom loves this movie.

: 2048

01:21:44,332 --> 01:21:44,541

Yeah.

: 2049

01:21:44,541 --> 01:21:45,502

Mom loves Dave.

: 2050

01:21:45,507 --> 01:21:45,767

Yeah.

: 2051

01:21:46,027 --> 01:21:46,807

Yeah, so

: 2052

01:21:46,927 --> 01:21:48,457

Chris: Well, she'll

enjoy this episode then.

: 2053

01:21:48,517 --> 01:21:48,757

Yeah.

: 2054

01:21:48,932 --> 01:21:49,172

I hope.

: 2055

01:21:49,416 --> 01:21:49,837

I hope she

: 2056

01:21:49,837 --> 01:21:50,197

Jerome: does.

: 2057

01:21:50,357 --> 01:21:52,847

So yeah if you guys haven't seen

this movie, and we, of course,

: 2058

01:21:52,847 --> 01:21:55,457

we just talked about the endings,

you know the rules on this show.

: 2059

01:21:55,457 --> 01:21:57,437

We talk endings because we do the beats.

: 2060

01:21:57,647 --> 01:21:59,567

So listen to our podcast.

: 2061

01:21:59,902 --> 01:22:04,802

After you've seen the movies, but if you

haven't seen them, I would definitely

: 2062

01:22:04,802 --> 01:22:08,282

recommend the campaign if you're going

to get high and drunk with your friends

: 2063

01:22:08,632 --> 01:22:12,252

and Dave, if you just want to watch

a really good movie about politics,

: 2064

01:22:12,492 --> 01:22:15,152

there's a few good political movies

out there, you know, I always liked

: 2065

01:22:15,452 --> 01:22:17,192

Oliver Stone has done some good ones.

: 2066

01:22:17,192 --> 01:22:19,212

JFK and Nixon are good movies.

: 2067

01:22:19,642 --> 01:22:23,932

The American President is a fun

one, you know, Dave you know,

: 2068

01:22:24,132 --> 01:22:26,522

there are some political movies

that are really, really fun.

: 2069

01:22:26,522 --> 01:22:28,442

I think Dave is, is, is a good one.

: 2070

01:22:28,522 --> 01:22:30,262

So so yeah, what do you got?

: 2071

01:22:30,262 --> 01:22:30,862

Close us out.

: 2072

01:22:30,862 --> 01:22:31,562

Land the plane.

: 2073

01:22:31,642 --> 01:22:33,462

Chris: Well, I really don't have anything.

: 2074

01:22:33,462 --> 01:22:37,502

I just want to to the, those listening

right now, I'm guessing you're either

: 2075

01:22:37,532 --> 01:22:41,842

an aspiring screenwriter or maybe you

are one and you're, you're looking

: 2076

01:22:41,842 --> 01:22:44,232

for entertaining tips and advice.

: 2077

01:22:44,291 --> 01:22:45,732

Share this with one of your friends.

: 2078

01:22:45,762 --> 01:22:46,502

And if you listen.

: 2079

01:22:46,817 --> 01:22:49,527

If you made it this long, you're

listening to us for a reason.

: 2080

01:22:49,527 --> 01:22:52,757

So share it with someone that

you think would also enjoy it.

: 2081

01:22:53,627 --> 01:22:57,977

Jerome: Now, did we, did we, Oh, I

can't remember because we talked a

: 2082

01:22:57,977 --> 01:22:59,837

lot before we actually hit record.

: 2083

01:22:59,877 --> 01:23:00,177

Chris: Yeah.

: 2084

01:23:00,487 --> 01:23:02,577

Jerome: Did we mention on this show?

: 2085

01:23:03,077 --> 01:23:05,857

About the Lions Sunday night victory.

: 2086

01:23:05,916 --> 01:23:08,507

Chris: I did allude to it being hung over.

: 2087

01:23:08,637 --> 01:23:09,077

Jerome: Okay.

: 2088

01:23:09,077 --> 01:23:09,307

Okay.

: 2089

01:23:09,467 --> 01:23:11,877

So just for those of you, cause

I know in previous podcasts, we

: 2090

01:23:11,877 --> 01:23:15,117

talked about the Lions and their

almost Superbowl run last year.

: 2091

01:23:15,977 --> 01:23:23,127

Today is September 10th and today

is not only the first presidential

: 2092

01:23:23,127 --> 01:23:27,637

debate with Donald Trump and Kamala

Harris, but also two nights ago,

: 2093

01:23:27,657 --> 01:23:28,937

well, I would say two nights ago was.

: 2094

01:23:29,107 --> 01:23:33,247

of the game we watched, but this

past weekend was week one of the NFL.

: 2095

01:23:33,247 --> 01:23:33,577

Chris: Yeah.

: 2096

01:23:33,647 --> 01:23:34,507

Jerome: NFL has kicked us.

: 2097

01:23:34,517 --> 01:23:36,837

So by the time you hear this episode,

which will probably be two months

: 2098

01:23:36,837 --> 01:23:41,937

from now, this we're recording this

two days after the lions on Sunday

: 2099

01:23:41,937 --> 01:23:47,567

night had an overtime win against the

LA Rams and their old quarterback.

: 2100

01:23:47,697 --> 01:23:48,647

It was, it was

: 2101

01:23:48,647 --> 01:23:52,337

Chris: a fricking nail biter back

and forth, even the best teams.

: 2102

01:23:52,387 --> 01:23:53,597

And it was a war.

: 2103

01:23:53,907 --> 01:23:57,077

Jerome: And I think we outplayed them

in the first half and they grossly

: 2104

01:23:57,077 --> 01:23:58,247

outplayed us in the second half.

: 2105

01:23:58,872 --> 01:24:03,632

And we just had the last four minutes of

the game to force overtime and Those four

: 2106

01:24:03,632 --> 01:24:05,492

Chris: minutes were pure magic.

: 2107

01:24:05,852 --> 01:24:06,122

And we

: 2108

01:24:06,122 --> 01:24:07,482

Jerome: never gave them

the ball in overtime.

: 2109

01:24:07,482 --> 01:24:08,072

They marched down,

: 2110

01:24:08,072 --> 01:24:09,382

Chris: what, 70 yards?

: 2111

01:24:09,402 --> 01:24:12,082

And just ran the ball down their throat.

: 2112

01:24:12,152 --> 01:24:13,372

Yeah, it was amazing.

: 2113

01:24:13,432 --> 01:24:16,742

I watched the highlight replay yesterday.

: 2114

01:24:17,182 --> 01:24:18,272

It's just worth watching.

: 2115

01:24:18,272 --> 01:24:18,772

Look it up.

: 2116

01:24:19,232 --> 01:24:21,372

I was upset on the replay

that they put out, though.

: 2117

01:24:21,372 --> 01:24:23,212

The Lions put out a replay.

: 2118

01:24:23,432 --> 01:24:27,102

They didn't show like,

some of the mistakes.

: 2119

01:24:27,467 --> 01:24:30,677

That the Lions did, and I'm

like, it's part of the story.

: 2120

01:24:30,677 --> 01:24:31,666

You gotta show everything.

: 2121

01:24:31,666 --> 01:24:32,872

Wait, some of the big, what

do you mean just highlights?

: 2122

01:24:32,872 --> 01:24:33,512

Well, in the The highlights.

: 2123

01:24:33,512 --> 01:24:34,127

The highlights, yeah.

: 2124

01:24:34,127 --> 01:24:36,317

They didn't show the, the big penalty.

: 2125

01:24:36,377 --> 01:24:38,207

And we're going off on

the, I might cut this out.

: 2126

01:24:39,047 --> 01:24:41,807

. No, we always throw a little sports in

, but they didn't, yeah, they didn't throw,

: 2127

01:24:41,807 --> 01:24:46,097

they didn't show the penalty on Hutchson

when he went for the legs on Stafford.

: 2128

01:24:46,097 --> 01:24:46,397

Right.

: 2129

01:24:47,057 --> 01:24:48,107

That was a big moment.

: 2130

01:24:48,197 --> 01:24:50,837

That changed the, that shifted the energy.

: 2131

01:24:50,957 --> 01:24:51,916

During did, did they show,

: 2132

01:24:51,916 --> 01:24:52,607

Jerome: Goff's Pick?

: 2133

01:24:52,607 --> 01:24:53,837

Didn't he throw a pick too, or No?

: 2134

01:24:55,032 --> 01:24:55,252

I don't

: 2135

01:24:55,252 --> 01:24:57,232

Chris: think they, I don't

think they show that either.

: 2136

01:24:57,242 --> 01:25:01,822

And not only didn't they show

the penalty on, on, on Hutch.

: 2137

01:25:03,112 --> 01:25:06,852

The they also didn't show

the Rams taking the lead.

: 2138

01:25:07,317 --> 01:25:08,567

I'm like, why didn't you show that?

: 2139

01:25:08,697 --> 01:25:11,207

Oh, they didn't show the touchdown?

: 2140

01:25:11,207 --> 01:25:12,037

They got him in the lead?

: 2141

01:25:12,117 --> 01:25:14,307

No, they should've, and I

was like, what the heck?

: 2142

01:25:14,307 --> 01:25:15,737

So it goes from us Is this ballet

: 2143

01:25:15,737 --> 01:25:16,237

Jerome: sports?

: 2144

01:25:16,237 --> 01:25:17,257

Is ballet sports being nice?

: 2145

01:25:17,257 --> 01:25:17,717

No, the Lions

: 2146

01:25:17,887 --> 01:25:18,987

Chris: organization put it out.

: 2147

01:25:18,997 --> 01:25:19,867

Oh, wow.

: 2148

01:25:19,877 --> 01:25:21,057

It was their Facebook or whatever.

: 2149

01:25:21,057 --> 01:25:22,287

I was like, wow, that sucks.

: 2150

01:25:22,437 --> 01:25:23,387

So I need to look.

: 2151

01:25:23,407 --> 01:25:25,617

Maybe, is there another one

that ballet might put out?

: 2152

01:25:25,757 --> 01:25:26,787

Jerome: No, just go on YouTube.

: 2153

01:25:27,157 --> 01:25:29,697

Go on YouTube and put Rams,

Lions, Highlights, and they'll

: 2154

01:25:29,697 --> 01:25:30,377

show you the whole thing.

: 2155

01:25:30,387 --> 01:25:31,127

Yeah, I need to find it.

: 2156

01:25:31,127 --> 01:25:32,416

Because they're unbiased.

: 2157

01:25:32,416 --> 01:25:32,737

Watching

: 2158

01:25:32,737 --> 01:25:35,107

Chris: the recaps with the

back and forth, you need to

: 2159

01:25:35,107 --> 01:25:36,747

experience all that stuff, man.

: 2160

01:25:36,817 --> 01:25:37,157

Yeah,

: 2161

01:25:37,197 --> 01:25:37,537

Jerome: yeah.

: 2162

01:25:37,537 --> 01:25:40,587

So no, just YouTube, Lambs, Ryans Lambs?

: 2163

01:25:41,607 --> 01:25:44,637

I just said Lambs, Ryans is what I said.

: 2164

01:25:45,142 --> 01:25:45,732

That's what I said.

: 2165

01:25:45,762 --> 01:25:53,732

Wham Brian's Lions Rams highlights and

you will see the game in like 15 minutes.

: 2166

01:25:53,742 --> 01:25:55,612

They put all the major plays.

: 2167

01:25:55,962 --> 01:26:00,182

But I actually heard a sports

analyst on TV today say that based

: 2168

01:26:00,182 --> 01:26:01,682

on what the Lions did in overtime.

: 2169

01:26:01,982 --> 01:26:05,812

He's like, I love Jared Goff, but I

would throw the ball 10 times a game.

: 2170

01:26:05,842 --> 01:26:07,872

I would run it 50 times a game.

: 2171

01:26:07,882 --> 01:26:09,272

He's like, yeah, that dude was a

: 2172

01:26:09,272 --> 01:26:09,762

Chris: machine.

: 2173

01:26:09,942 --> 01:26:11,912

Jerome: He's like, we

ran it down their throat.

: 2174

01:26:11,962 --> 01:26:16,282

And if that's what we could do to

anybody, I mean, every carry was

: 2175

01:26:16,352 --> 01:26:17,482

Chris: like 10 yards.

: 2176

01:26:17,602 --> 01:26:18,202

Just dude, we're

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Jerome: going to, we're going

to be like Michigan, how the

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Wolverines were last year.

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Just run the ball, run

the ball, run the ball.

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Stout offensive line, control

the trenches, run the ball, win

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the game, control the clock.

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Chris: This is our Super Bowl year!

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I feel it!

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I'm so excited.

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All right, love it.

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All right.

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All right.

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Look, for those of you who aren't

Lions fans, you know where we've been.

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Jerome: Yeah, we've been in

the dumps our whole lives.

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You can hear the excitement in our voice.

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We meant to land this plane, but as

we came in for the runway we're just

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coasting over the runway right now.

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All right, let's touchdown.

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Chris: Yeah go support your local cinemas.

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Jerome: Keep drinking and keep watching.