Episode 9

JAWS vs JAWS 4 - What Makes a Great Screenplay?

JAWS vs JAWS 4 - What Makes a Great Screenplay?

This special episode is a detailed discussion between three film enthusiasts: Chris & Jerome and Leigh, about the movie 'Jaws'(1975) and its sequel 'Jaws: The Revenge'(1987). They tackle the question, "What makes a great screenplay?"

Leigh Morgan first published the main audio on his show, Lights Camera Rant and he permitted us to republish it on this episode of the Silver Screen Happy Hour! View the original show on YouTube Here: Biting Into The Jaws Franchise

The conversation touches on numerous elements such as script structure, character arcs, trivia, and memorable scenes from the films. Each speaker shares their insights, contributing to a comprehensive analysis of the two movies and their respective screenplays while making the conversation humorous and enjoyable. They also touch on other films and screenwriting concepts in the context of the 'Jaws' movies.

CORRECTION: Jerome called Robert McKee, the great screenwriting teacher, "Charles"!

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Transcript
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We were so pumped for today.

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I was, I was telling people at work.

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I'm like, dude, I'm going on.

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I'm going to be in a fucking Australia.

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I'm talking to Australia.

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And they're like, what

are you talking about?

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I'm like, shut up and listen.

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I'm going to be in Australia.

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That's me.

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I'm worldwide now.

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You are listening to a

very special edition of the

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Silver Screen of Happy Hour.

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I'm Chris Wiegand, along with my

brother Jerome and our buddy Leigh.

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Leigh hosts Lights, Camera, Rant out of

Melbourne, Australia, and he was gracious

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enough to have us on his show to talk

about what makes a truly great screenplay

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versus what makes a shit screenplay.

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Lee originally put this up November 3rd.

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of 2023 and he was gracious enough

to give us the audio so we could

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put it on our platform as well.

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If you'd like to watch this video

instead of listening to the audio, you

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can check out Lee's YouTube channel.

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I've linked to it in the show notes.

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Well, without anything else from me, we're

going to jump right into the conversation.

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Uh, I think we start off talking

about our drinks and because

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of the extreme time difference

between the West Coast in the U.

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S.

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and Australia, uh, I think Lee stuck

to coffee while my brother and I were

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enjoying something for happy hour.

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I just clicked it, yeah.

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Okay.

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Uh, just, just coffee at the moment, I,

I still have to go out later today and

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I think If it was a little bit later,

I'd already be down too, for this.

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Wait, we don't judge, right?

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I mean, we don't count drinks either.

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So it goes both ways.

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I don't know.

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I've seen you count my drinks before

offensively, almost aggressively.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Uh, so how you want to do

your, uh, do you have an intro?

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Do you want to start with, uh, I do, I do.

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I was just about to say my first, before

I started doing video, uh, I think my

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first 50 or 40 episodes, my podcast,

I'm not sober for any of those episodes.

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There.

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There you go.

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There was just a mic in my garage

and I was like, just drinking,

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because I was stuck in COVID time.

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If you don't mind, I'm going to give

it one more shake before you talk, I

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don't want to drown out your words.

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And then I'm going to pour,

this is a blue lagoon, so.

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I am not a cocktail person.

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But, hold on, let me get it to the camera.

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Woo!

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It's, it's disgusting.

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That's not disgusting.

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No, it's disgusting.

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Blue raspberry lemonade vodka.

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With some blue lemonade.

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And blue, uh, Caraco.

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Blue Carissa.

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Kurt, is that how you say that?

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Yeah.

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So, anyways, um, I also, because

I'm drinking this, I also

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brought something for that.

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Oh, he's gonna add drugs!

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We're gonna add drugs to the show!

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No, I said no.

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Because the first time

Oh, now this is a potty.

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This marks the first time in Silver

Screen Happy Hour history we're

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mixing poppers with our drinks.

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It's a naproxen, come on.

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Yeah, you're gonna grind it

first and then pour it in.

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Let me get up, I gotta get my fentanyl

and then we'll get this party started.

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Anyway.

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Now look, it's easier to drink

it compared to shelving it.

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Cheers.

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Cheers, uh, to this first, uh, first time

for us being on somebody else's show.

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Yes, thank you.

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for having us.

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No, of course.

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You guys have a great show, and me and

Chris have been talking for a while

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now, and I can't think of any better

guys to talk about these two films.

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Yeah, so, um, what piqued our interest

is, on our show, we generally will

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pick two films and compare and

contrast the script structure.

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Um, and we follow, for anyone

that's listening that's interested

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in screenwriting, we follow the

Blake Snyder Save the cat ideology.

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Blake Snyder, uh, passed

away, I believe in:

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He's considered on the Mount Rushmore of

screenwriting teachers, uh, along with

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Sid Field and, uh, uh, Charles McKee.

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And, um, he, uh, he wrote three books.

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Uh, they're in the Save the Cat trilogy,

and they basically, uh, lay out beats.

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What every writer should

know how to hit these beats.

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He also puts a page number

where they should come.

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Now as we all know in

screenwriting, a minute is a page.

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So 120 pages is about a

two hour film, 120 minutes.

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And where these beats should hit.

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Remember, it's always tools, not rules.

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So we don't try to stick to it as much

as possible, but you should, as a, as a

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screenwriter, you should always try to

hit these beats and hit them in order.

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It doesn't necessarily, the

page doesn't necessarily matter.

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Although I kind of think it does cause

it works with pacing, but anyway, so we

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would compare two movies on our show.

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And, uh, Chris, uh, sparked

our interest of, uh.

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What did we, what if we compared what,

what makes a good script compared

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to what makes a crap script, right?

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Or a crap film, right?

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Shit film.

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What makes shit film?

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And how do you know the

film is shit, right?

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Let me jump in.

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We, we did, we did a whole bunch.

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Well, a whole bunch.

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We did several podcasts where

we just loved both movies and

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that's why we were picking them.

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And then one time we picked,

uh, it was a Mel Gibson movie.

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Um, What was it called?

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On the line.

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On the line.

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Talk.

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And we paired that with a

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And, um, and the Talk Radio.

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Which is an Oliver Stone film.

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Yeah, that's a great,

it's a great screenplay.

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And the Mel Gibson one

was a freaking turd.

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And we had so much fun destroying

that movie on our podcast.

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It was so much fun.

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So I was like, that's kind of a good

model to, you know, pick a great movie.

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Shitty one.

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And talk about why, why,

why did the one just suck?

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Yeah.

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Good to pile of crap.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And we're going to do that today.

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We're going to do that today.

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Wish we could not pick a more

distant of great to, should

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this actually been released.

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Right.

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Greatness to excrement.

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. That's right.

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And and the funny thing is, you

don't even have to watch the movie.

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You just have to look at the shark.

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Yeah.

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Well, . Yeah.

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Right.

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Well, we'll get into that.

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Don't get ahead of ourselves.

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We, we got a lot, we got a lot to

get to before we get to the shark.

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Yeah.

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So how, how would you

like to lead us softly?

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Would you like to like, maybe talk

about our experience with the movies?

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Uh, like, like what?

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Like you, you shared off the air

before you started recording,

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before Jerry even got in the room.

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Um.

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Your experience with the movie.

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You want to start with

that and kind of go around?

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Nah, that sounds good to me.

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So, like, as I was saying before we

started recording, this, I haven't seen

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Jaws since I was a very little, like a

little kid, and I only remember Flashes.

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So when I went to go re watch

it the other week, I remember

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looking, This is horrific!

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This is such more of a horror film

than I remember being a monster film.

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And I forgot how long they

sit on the water for as well,

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which we'll get into later.

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When they're trying to hunt the shark,

but, when, like, when did you guys first,

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obviously, age difference for all three of

us, but when did you guys first see Jaws?

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Like, did you guys see it in the theaters?

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Who, who is the elder here?

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Is, Chris, Chris, are you the elder?

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Oh yeah, by far, I'm sure.

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Well, at least, I don't know how old

Lee is, but I know I'm, how many,

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five, five years older than you?

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Something like that?

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I was born in 75, the

year this movie came out.

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Came out, yeah.

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So yeah, so the Year Jaws

came out, I was born.

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So, needless to say, I did

not see it in the theater.

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I don't think I saw it either in the

theater, I mean, 'cause I remember some

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movies from the mid seventies seeing it.

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Like I saw star Wars at a drive in.

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I know that.

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Um, and, uh, but I don't remember

seeing, I don't remember, honestly, I

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don't remember the first time I saw it.

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Um, it's just been part of the culture

that I grew up in, but you know, um,

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so because I was like, what, four

when it came out, I doubt my, our

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parents took me to see Jaws cause, but

I remember it's so funny cause I do

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recall watching Saturday night live

cause our parents would let us stay up.

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Kind of late, or I maybe me because I was

older than my brother and sister, but I

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would stay up until the band came on that.

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They would let me stay up until the band

came on to watch Saturday Night Live.

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And I remember that with the shark,

the weekend update is right after the

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commercial break after the first band act.

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That's the only reason why I watch

SNL anymore is weekend update.

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Yeah, so, but anyways, um, but yeah,

no, I've, but I've seen it countless

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times on video over the years, and it

was fun re watching it this week, so.

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So, for me, uh, the very, again, I

was born in 75 the year it came out.

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I want to say my first experience

with Jaws was Jaws three, when it

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hit cable, when it hit cable in

3d, when it hit cable, that must've

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been, shoot, uh, what was that?

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80, 83, 84, maybe.

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Um, and I remember it hitting cable

and that was my first, uh, uh, film

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of the, of the entire saga was.

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And I liked it so much because that's

so corny and cheesy now when you watch

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it, but when you're like eight years

old, it's like, this is awesome, right?

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Yeah, it's 3d.

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The literal jaws come out to the

screen after they blow its head

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off at the end, like the teeth

literally come to the screen.

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And when you're a kid,

you're like, that's awesome.

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And when you're an adult, you watch it.

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You're like, what?

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Fucking cheese, man.

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That is so, so cringe, so cringe.

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It's so cringeworthy.

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And then so, but, but I'm actually

going to plug another show here.

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Uh, or another movie.

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There's an early eighties movie called

terror in the aisle with Donald Pleasance.

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It's actually a.

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Sort of like a documentary of horror

films and they go through all the

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gamut the Friday 13th's the Halloween

It's a really good if you can find it.

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I have it on blu ray because I bought it

off Amazon or DVD And it's really cool.

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But in that they show a bunch

of clips from Jaws And that

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was sort of my intro to, wow, I

really got to see the first one.

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I've been watching this lame

ass 3d one my whole life.

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I, so I might've been nine

by the time I finally watched

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jaws and I was just blown away.

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I was like, Holy crap, that's

way scarier than jaws three.

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And yeah, so that was my,

and I've loved it ever since.

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And you know, that's kind of what

started my love for Spielberg was

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getting into jaws and of course, et.

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So I do recall when our kids were

little, they are, uh, local, uh, parks

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and rec department or something, um,

they play, they had a movie night for

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the community at the beach cause we, we

lived in Lake port, Michigan, right on

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the, right off of Lake Huron and so they

had the, the screen set up on the beach

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and everyone was on, on the sand and I

believe there were some people in kayaks

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and stuff out in the water and they

played jaws and that was really fun and.

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You know, cool and everything.

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But so that was, that was another cool

experience that I've had with the movie.

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But I was older when Jaws 4 hit

theaters and I want to say I saw

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Jaws 4 in the theater, which means

I actually gave it my fucking money.

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And when you're a.

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You know, when you're a teenager and

like, you scrape together your friggin

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lawnmower money and you go to see a movie

like Jaws 4, it's, it's really depressing.

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It really is.

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So, I can say the first time

I saw Jaws 4 was yesterday.

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I just never saw it.

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Same for me.

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I've only seen clips.

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And obviously the infamous thing with

Michael Caine saying, I've never watched

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it, but I do love the house it built.

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Yes!

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That was, dammit Lee, that was one of

my trivia I was going to tell you later.

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Michael Caine's interview is hilarious.

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He's like, people ask him all

the time, have you seen it?

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And his, yeah, his response was,

I've never seen it, but I saw

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the house it built because he

bought that house for his mom.

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Well, I was just looking

on IMDB's Trivia Facts.

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And one of the true facts was that

the only reason he signed on for

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that film was apparently for the

first two lines was like, this will

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be shot in the Bahamas, or the scene

opens in Hawaii, and he's like, salt.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a

great interview if you watch it.

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And the funny thing is, I got

more we'll talk about later, the

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director's interview is also telling.

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Like, everyone knew

this was a pile of shit!

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But they, but they did it anyway!

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That's It was a paycheck

for a lot of people.

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Yeah, for a lot of people.

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Um, alright, so how do

we want to kick this off?

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Let's go, let's dive into the first one.

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Let's go with Jaws.

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Straight off the bat.

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First one.

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Stardoll, 1975, and considered

the beginner of what started

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the summer blockbuster.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Kicked it all off.

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Yep.

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Cause this is usually before this.

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I think when films got released

this time, it was the dead zone.

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It was what you wanted to flop.

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That's crazy to think about now, isn't it?

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Yeah, exactly.

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But, but think about that.

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This film changed Hollywood as we know it.

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Yeah, like this movie directed by a

friggin no namer at the time and who,

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who, who was afraid he was going to

get fired every day on the set every

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day the producers came to the set

Spielberg will be like, uh, today's the

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day I got to talk about a fire in me.

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They're here to fire me.

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I got to talk him out of it.

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Like, I mean, and, and now and to think

about, uh, today's era of, of Youth,

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they have no idea about this movie.

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All they know is

Transformers and Marvel shit.

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And, and that's all . And

it's all I should Okay.

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I'll tell, I don't wanna be, uh, branded.

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Like, uh, Scorsese was,

I'll take the word shit off.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I did not mean to say, I

didn't mean to say Marvel shit.

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I just meant Marvel and

Transformer shit there.

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That that's better.

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I agree you with the Transformers

, that that needs to die a little.

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But, but I mean, my, but my point is.

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Today's kids wait for the summertime.

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That's their bread and

butter for movies, right?

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And it's all started because of this.

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Like you said, man, back in the 70s,

before Jaws, a studio would, would

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put all their weight behind, like,

uh, One Flew the Cuckoo's Nest.

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Or, Apocalypse Now, or,

you know what I mean?

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Like, that's, these were their big movies

that were gonna get all the Oscars,

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and back then, Oscars meant money.

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There was no summer blockbuster, there

was no popcorn film back then, you know?

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And people say, oh, Star Wars.

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Jaws beat Star Wars by two years.

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So, you know, it was actually

Jaws that started all that shit.

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So, interesting.

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It was, and I just will just

say for everyone, like, this,

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the tech, just the synopsis.

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Was just, when a killer shark unleashes

chaos on a beach community off Cape Cod,

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it's up to a local sheriff, a marine

biologist, and an old seaf seafarer,

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seafarer, to hunt the beast down.

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Like, that's, that was all the

tagline, like, synopsis was.

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I'm glad you read the logline, because

here's what's important for writing,

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that we're right off the bat now on what

separates good movies from bad movies.

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The logline, for all you writers

out there, or aspiring writers, your

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logline is basically your act two.

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Right.

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That's when act two starts.

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Um, the act one is all set up.

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It's, uh, basically your main character is

kind of stuck in their life, how they are.

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Right.

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And then there's an inciting incident.

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Something happens, which causes

them to be faced with the decision,

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whether or not to jump into act two.

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Remember that's important.

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A lot of people, a lot of beginning

writers will write a script where their

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main character is forced into act two.

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And that's, that can't happen.

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Act 2 has to present itself, your main

character has to, has to deal with

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it, has to be forced to deal with it.

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So I have a hot take here, okay?

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Yeah, I have a hot take.

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Are you ready?

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Ready.

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Uh, we're gonna talk

about Chief Brody's arc.

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Chief Brody Is lazy.

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There's your hot take.

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All right.

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So here I caught something in this

this watch Something i've learned to

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do lee after doing this with my brother

for a little while because i'm You

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can tell he's the talent when it comes

to screenwriting and all this stuff.

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I'm a fan.

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I'm a fan I like being called

I like stroking his ego too

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because it makes him funny.

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I'll be expecting my paycheck Just

let me pump you up a little bit more.

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Yeah, right But, but what it's done

for me though, watching these movies,

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I actually start picking stuff up

that I used to just not even pay

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attention to, so, um, yeah, so, uh,

you, you mentioned Brody's, uh, art.

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Yeah, so, okay.

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Because I noticed there was like a line

in there at the very beginning about how,

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um, uh, he came from New York City, right?

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Yes.

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He moved there from New York

City to get away from whatever.

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It was hard work.

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Right.

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Being a cop in New York City, I

absolutely that from, from that line.

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And then he comes to this quiet

little island, you know, to kind

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so forward in So here's so island.

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Exactly.

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So, so let's d dive

into that a little bit.

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So, uh, I, I wrote down here,

maybe lazy is, uh, harsh word.

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He avoids responsibility.

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That's his, that's his theme, right?

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He avoids responsibility,

uh, like you said, he is.

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Certainly explains why he would

leave New York City, right?

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And go to this beach town, even

though he doesn't like the water.

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He's not a fan of the water.

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A lot of people think Brody's arc

is that he's afraid of the water.

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And by the end of the movie, he's not,

that's not his arc because like five

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minutes in, well, maybe more like 10

minutes in he's already on the ferry.

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going across where he's talking

to the mayor and everybody.

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And there is no scene there where

he's like, Oh my God, I'm on a ferry.

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What am I going to do?

388

:

He's not, you know, he doesn't like

the water, but he's not afraid of it.

389

:

Okay.

390

:

People misconstrue that as his theme.

391

:

His theme is he avoids responsibility.

392

:

That's his problem.

393

:

Right.

394

:

So, and, and usually we say, okay,

about five minutes in, uh, is when.

395

:

Oh, by the way, I, I wrote down you.

396

:

The film is littered with examples

of him avoiding responsibility.

397

:

The opening scene he yells to his kids.

398

:

Don't play on those swings.

399

:

I haven't fixed them yet.

400

:

Right.

401

:

, right off the bat.

402

:

That's a good, I missed that one.

403

:

No.

404

:

And then later around the midpoint

scene, when the orcas getting

405

:

ready to set sale and, and Ellen

comes to give him a kiss goodbye.

406

:

He tells her, then I have

it written down here too.

407

:

Don't use the fireplace in the den.

408

:

I haven't fixed it yet.

409

:

He says that at the big boy.

410

:

So like, and then, and if you

watch the opening, the whole

411

:

first act is a townspeople keep

coming to him with their problems.

412

:

Oh, they're karate chopping.

413

:

And he's like, Hey, Hendricks,

his Lieutenant Hendricks.

414

:

I get it.

415

:

Take care of this.

416

:

Will you?

417

:

Yeah.

418

:

He bucks responsibilities.

419

:

Even when he wants to close the beaches.

420

:

Have Polly do the printing put up the

signs that say close the beaches have

421

:

Polly do the printing and then you go

hammer him in This guy doesn't intend on

422

:

doing anything while he's here, right?

423

:

Like so and so a lot of people will

say that the inciting incident is

424

:

where Brody finds the body of the girl

on the beach there is a moment where

425

:

he does turn and look at the ocean

like what the hell did this but He's

426

:

not pushed yet to deal with this.

427

:

He's looking for the easy way out.

428

:

Well, I'll just put signs up

that say, close the beaches.

429

:

Simple, right?

430

:

The real inciting incident is when

the mayor and everybody gets on

431

:

his back on that ferry and says,

you can't just close the beaches.

432

:

Right, right.

433

:

Yeah.

434

:

We, we, this is how we make money.

435

:

So now, but what does he do?

436

:

Although he feels guilty about it.

437

:

What does he do?

438

:

He says to the medical

examiner, you'll stand by that,

439

:

that it was a bow propeller.

440

:

He's like, yeah, I'll stand by that.

441

:

He's like, all right, . Right?

442

:

That's, that's what you messed up.

443

:

Which, yeah, that's where we go.

444

:

Which actually, that, uh, that scene

I was all, uh, that scene where the

445

:

arm sticking out of the, uh, ocean,

sorry, uh, the beach with a dead gill.

446

:

That's actually not a prop.

447

:

That's actually a real, uh.

448

:

Cast member, female cast member.

449

:

They got to do it because

the arm looked too fake.

450

:

Here's your shining moment

of your career is your arm.

451

:

Okay.

452

:

So go ahead, go ahead, Chris.

453

:

Well, I was just going to say, man.

454

:

So this movie, one of the things I love

about Jaws, the first movie, literally

455

:

I looked at the time code four minutes

in Chrissy goes down in the water.

456

:

She's the one that dies from the shark.

457

:

Four minutes in the movie and she's dead.

458

:

Yeah.

459

:

So, yeah.

460

:

So, okay.

461

:

So if you want to follow the

beats for you writers, write this

462

:

down, here's your beats and we're

going to lay them out in order.

463

:

All right.

464

:

The very first one is opening image.

465

:

Now the importance of the opening

image, not a lot of films do this.

466

:

You catch it every now and again.

467

:

You're like, ah, that guy

must be a Blake Snyder guy.

468

:

The opening image and the closing

image are supposed to contradict

469

:

each other because of the journey

that took place in between.

470

:

So the opening image of Jaws is

danger underneath the water, right?

471

:

The opening image is done.

472

:

Right, we're seeing the sharks

kind of POV as it's lurking, right?

473

:

It's danger underneath the water.

474

:

I'm going to skip ahead real quick here.

475

:

What's the closing image?

476

:

We already know the closing image of Sean.

477

:

Love water and they're safe.

478

:

So it's a Contrast, right?

479

:

Below water, danger, above

water, danger is eliminated.

480

:

So that's a closing,

opening and closing image.

481

:

You'll find if you really look at

movies, keep that in mind when you

482

:

watch, when you go watch your next movie.

483

:

Keep a, keep a little file

of opening and closing.

484

:

So for instance, let me see.

485

:

Uh, uh, the opening of,

I don't know, Top Gun.

486

:

What's the opening of Top Gun?

487

:

Planes landing and taking off

from an aircraft carrier, right?

488

:

The grounding process.

489

:

Taking off and landing.

490

:

The closing image of Top Gun are

planes already in flight doing

491

:

aerial moves as the credits go.

492

:

So, sort of like, you know what I mean?

493

:

Like, there's, uh, so

again, that's abstract.

494

:

But if you think about it, like,

there's a telling point there of

495

:

Maverick's journey in the movie Top Gun.

496

:

From where he is at the beginning

to where he is at the end.

497

:

That's not an accident, right?

498

:

That's Tony Scott.

499

:

He knows what he's doing.

500

:

So, uh, so think about that the next time

you watch, you know, your favorite movies.

501

:

Yeah, look for the op

Godfather's another great one.

502

:

Opening image of Godfather is

the Don in his office, accepting.

503

:

Uh, requests, right?

504

:

The closing image is the Don, Michael,

getting his hand kissed as the new

505

:

godfather and they close the door on

Diane Keaton as she's staring at him.

506

:

Like, boom!

507

:

You alright?

508

:

Two major contrasts, right?

509

:

So, uh, alright, so we're getting

a, uh, kind of, kind of, Oh, by the

510

:

way, Lee, I have to tell you ahead of

time, We go off the rails a lot and

511

:

we start ranting about other shit.

512

:

And that's why our shows last so long.

513

:

That's fine, that's entirely what

this show's built on, is ranting.

514

:

Yeah, right.

515

:

So, opening image, okay, below

the sea, uh, danger, so the mirror

516

:

flipped to the closing image,

that's for you beginning writers.

517

:

The next is, the theme stated.

518

:

Five or six minutes into the

film is when somebody should tell

519

:

your lead what their problem is.

520

:

Now, Ellen doesn't necessarily tell him

what problem he is, but she does say,

521

:

Listen, Chief, be careful, will ya?

522

:

And he laughs and says, Ha, in this town?

523

:

So he's, that's six minutes in, right?

524

:

So he's basically stating, I don't

have to do shit in this town.

525

:

I can avoid responsibility all

I want, nothing happens here.

526

:

So, set up, okay, body washes ashore,

medical examiner says it was a

527

:

shark, he figures, close the beach.

528

:

Simple, not a lot of responsibility.

529

:

Um, there's a lot of setup between

pages, uh, or I should say minutes

530

:

six to 11, where they established this

small town nature where everybody has

531

:

these little problems and he bucks

responsibility on pretty much all of them.

532

:

Right?

533

:

Nah, no, no, no.

534

:

Yeah.

535

:

Yeah.

536

:

No, no, no.

537

:

You take care of that.

538

:

You take care of that.

539

:

Okay.

540

:

So 12 minutes in catalyst inciting

incident, the town leaders,

541

:

including mayor Larry Vaughn urge

him against closing the beaches.

542

:

Now we have a problem.

543

:

Because it was an easy fix.

544

:

Now he's got complications, but as

I stated already, he's quick to say.

545

:

Eh, okay.

546

:

If the medical examiner's willing to say

it was a boat, then fucking guess what?

547

:

It's a boat.

548

:

Right?

549

:

I don't care.

550

:

I don't really give a shit, as long

as I don't have to deal with it.

551

:

I'm avoiding responsibility.

552

:

So, you know what?

553

:

To your point on that, uh, Jerome, the,

one, one of the things that blew my

554

:

mind, and his wife got on his ass, about

the kids being in the water because,

555

:

because he knew there was a shark attack.

556

:

And she didn't, he didn't tell anyone.

557

:

Not even, not even his family.

558

:

Right, because again, he doesn't

think it's that big a deal.

559

:

He doesn't know what he's

dealing with yet, right?

560

:

That's true, but I mean, he

knows there was a shark attack.

561

:

So the next, well, he, well, yes,

he believes it was a shark attack.

562

:

The medical examiner is now saying

it was a boat propeller, right?

563

:

So the next beat It's called debate begins

that generally happens minutes between

564

:

twelve and twenty five and it's where

the main character has that catalyst but

565

:

has to now decide whether or not they

want to jump into act two so something

566

:

has to happen in star wars it's not

enough that, uh, Luke sees the hologram

567

:

of Princess Leia saying help me Obi

Wan Kenobi you're my only hope he says.

568

:

I can't go with you.

569

:

I have a, I have a moisture farm to run.

570

:

I can't go with you.

571

:

It's not until he goes home and finds

out that, but I believe Boba Fett,

572

:

fried Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru that

he then decides, yeah, extra crispy.

573

:

Did you hear that hot take?

574

:

He believes it was Boba was Boba Fett.

575

:

I will argue this to the day I die.

576

:

Boba Fett, remember, because Vader

tells him no disintegrations.

577

:

That's Boba's thing, man,

he sets people on fire.

578

:

Well, since when do

stormtroopers set people on fire?

579

:

They can't even hit a barn, you

know, the side of a barn with

580

:

their lasers, so how the hell are

they going to set people on fire?

581

:

It was Boba.

582

:

That's a good point, like, and it makes

perfect sense, because they can't hit

583

:

anything, but Boba, dang it, yeah?

584

:

Yeah, remember, they can't hurt

this elderly family on this,

585

:

on the planet, you'll be fine.

586

:

They show, they show Boba and

Tatooine earlier in that movie

587

:

in the special edition, right?

588

:

After, uh, we see we're going off again,

we're going, we're falling off the resume.

589

:

No, it's fine, it's fine.

590

:

Anyway, but anyway.

591

:

So, uh, so, okay, so the debate begins.

592

:

There's a lot of shit that goes

on to get Brody to think, um, Ah,

593

:

man, I'm really uneasy about just

accepting this and rolling over.

594

:

So a couple of things happen.

595

:

Pippet the dog dies.

596

:

Alex Kittner dies.

597

:

I felt that.

598

:

Yeah, sorry.

599

:

I was like, not the dog.

600

:

Yeah, the dog.

601

:

The dog.

602

:

The dog.

603

:

The shark ate a dog.

604

:

And then And a Kittner dies.

605

:

Now everyone's like, Whoa, you're just

going to gloss over Alex Kittner dying?

606

:

Yes, because he's just sorry to

say one of the numbers, right?

607

:

He's now the second human casualty.

608

:

This is important.

609

:

He's the second human casualty.

610

:

We have our intro to Quint, but we haven't

hit our, our, our break into two yet.

611

:

And I'll tell you why, because the

shark up until this point still isn't

612

:

a problem for everyone on the beach.

613

:

They're just thinking, What's going on?

614

:

So now I wrote this down.

615

:

We had one human death.

616

:

Now we have two human deaths and a dog.

617

:

So let's keep the tally going.

618

:

Um, Mrs.

619

:

Kittner puts out a

nationwide reward of 3, 000.

620

:

Today's money, that's 17, 000.

621

:

That's 17, 000 by today's dollars.

622

:

Thank you for adjusting for inflation.

623

:

Yeah, I adjust for inflation.

624

:

We do that a lot here.

625

:

So, uh, and that's what leads to

the jump to act two, because again,

626

:

beginning writers, your break into

two is the mirror flip to act one.

627

:

So if act one is your setup, your

act two is the upside down world.

628

:

It's where shit's now out of

control and the very next scene,

629

:

we got fucking boaters coming

in from all over the country.

630

:

So the town is flipped upside down.

631

:

And what does Brody say to Hendrix?

632

:

These are your people.

633

:

Go talk to them.

634

:

I don't want to deal with this, right?

635

:

Like all these fucking people are all

over the and what does Hendrix say?

636

:

These aren't my people.

637

:

They're coming from all over the place.

638

:

Look at those license plates.

639

:

So now Brody's got a problem.

640

:

So now we're in act two because

now he feels like he has to.

641

:

At least try to deal with something.

642

:

Um.

643

:

He's weighing over his head though.

644

:

So that's your break in the diamond.

645

:

One goes, right, right, right.

646

:

So, so here we go.

647

:

So the B story, what

is the B story, right?

648

:

And most romantic films, the B story is

where, uh, the guy meets the girl, right?

649

:

Or you meet the love interest or whatever.

650

:

The B story is supposed to be the calming

influence of the protagonist problem.

651

:

Somebody that could be a partner,

somebody that can help you, right?

652

:

They're usually introduced

about a half hour in.

653

:

This is the funny enter.

654

:

Quint.

655

:

No, no, no, no, no, no.

656

:

Quinn's already been introduced,

but he hasn't done anything.

657

:

He just said, I'll do it for

more than:

658

:

I'll find him for three.

659

:

His fingernails on the

chalkboard scene, man.

660

:

Okay.

661

:

But that's in that's I started

screaming at the TV when he did that.

662

:

That's still the debate.

663

:

That's still in the debate.

664

:

Yeah.

665

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

666

:

Is that the same, like, is that

the one that starred that parody?

667

:

All, all that time.

668

:

Is that the original one where

you're seeing every other TV show,

669

:

everyone scratches on the chalkboard?

670

:

I mean, probably.

671

:

It's, it's very effective in this film.

672

:

Very effective.

673

:

So, so here's what I wrote down.

674

:

Literally 30 minutes in, at the 30 minute

mark, this line of dialogue is uttered.

675

:

Hi, I'm Matt Hooper from

the Oceanographic Institute.

676

:

Oh, yeah.

677

:

So Richard Dreyfuss enters the picture

30 minutes in, so he, and again, this

678

:

is important as the B story because

finally somebody is giving relief to

679

:

Brody, somebody, an expert that can

come and deal with this because again,

680

:

Brody is avoiding responsibility.

681

:

So now he finally meets him.

682

:

What does he say when he meets him?

683

:

Oh, I'm so glad you're here.

684

:

He basically sucks him off, right?

685

:

Because he's so happy.

686

:

He's so happy that he's

there with somebody to take

687

:

care of this problem for me.

688

:

Thank God you're here.

689

:

Yeah, thank God.

690

:

So now I can go back to sitting

in my office with my feet up.

691

:

So, fun and games is another beat.

692

:

This is a Blake Snyder

beat called fun and games.

693

:

This generally happens from,

uh, your 30 minutes in to your

694

:

Uh, an hour in now, right?

695

:

This takes you to your midpoint and

what fun and games is supposed to be is

696

:

what you mentioned your log line, right?

697

:

So it's supposed to be act two, although

the log line for this really hints at

698

:

the midpoint, but for most, you know,

for most purposes, when you think about

699

:

a movie and you read its log line,

that's generally the fun and games part.

700

:

That's when shit starts to go crazy and

you're in act two and they're trying

701

:

to, uh, deliver the premise, right?

702

:

Because what is the premise?

703

:

The premise is why we went,

it's why we went to the theater.

704

:

It's what we want to see.

705

:

That's the stuff they show in the trailer

a lot, is the fun and game scenes.

706

:

So our fun and games here, Hooper

examines Chrissy's remains, the tiger

707

:

shark is caught, which Brody loves.

708

:

You see Brody how he's in great spirits

when they catch that tiger shark?

709

:

Because what is he thinking?

710

:

They got it!

711

:

Hey!

712

:

Look at me, I'm gonna be fuckin chief

of the century with, uh, my people, my

713

:

people now, not Hendrik's people, we

caught the shark and blah blah blah, he

714

:

doesn't have to worry about it anymore.

715

:

Then we get the Mrs.

716

:

Kittner with the slap heard around

the world, dinner at home with Hooper,

717

:

cutting open the tiger shark, finding

out Kittner's not in the belly.

718

:

And they go looking for the shark in the

middle of the night, and they find human

719

:

victim number three, Ben Gardner, when

they find his boat looks like a toothpick.

720

:

Yeah, there you go, nice.

721

:

So, that all happens, that's your fun and

games, and that leads to your midpoint.

722

:

Now, what is your midpoint?

723

:

So the midpoint scene in most

films is where the protagonist

724

:

gets his tangible goal.

725

:

This is importantly, this

is one of my hot buttons.

726

:

Some screenwriting instructors will

tell you that the promise of the

727

:

premise is, is what you need to do.

728

:

You need to keep delivering

the premise, right?

729

:

If it's a movie about Top

Gun, you need to show planes.

730

:

You got to show planes.

731

:

That's what people came there for.

732

:

Um, me, I'm a goals guy.

733

:

A tangible and spiritual goal and the

emotional shifts that get you there for

734

:

your listeners that want to really dig

into our show, go back and listen to

735

:

the, I think it was called the promising

young Thelma episode where we did

736

:

promising young woman versus Thelma and

Louise, the Thelma and Louise script.

737

:

Nails this as far as emotional shifts

where Thelma is becoming a completely

738

:

different person by the end of the film,

but it's not just a night and day switch.

739

:

There's constant back and forth where

she is a baby Thelma, where she's

740

:

getting ridiculed by Louise and she's got

kind of got her tail between her legs.

741

:

And then the next scene, she's alpha

Thelma again, wielding her gun around,

742

:

you know, putting her gun to a cop's

head, shooting up a rig filled with

743

:

oil of rocket fuel, blowing that up.

744

:

So.

745

:

And it's almost every other scene

where she's baby Thelma and then

746

:

alpha Thelma until you get to the end.

747

:

Michael Corleone from the Godfather

is another perfect example where

748

:

your alpha has completely consumed

the baby version of you and that

749

:

baby version no longer exists.

750

:

Um, but anyway, that's your,

that's your, uh, the emotional

751

:

shifts to your spiritual goal.

752

:

Okay.

753

:

So here's the important thing, Lee,

the difference between the two,

754

:

Chris, what is your tangible goal?

755

:

What is my tangible goal?

756

:

No, not yours personally.

757

:

What, what is the tangible goal?

758

:

Chris is like, well, I'd like

to buy another car, I guess.

759

:

No, what, so what is the

main character of any film?

760

:

What is their tangible goal?

761

:

The tangible goal is to solve

Whatever problem is presented,

762

:

it's what they want, right?

763

:

Yeah, what it's what they want and

they generally in good scripts.

764

:

They get that at the midpoint

scene because they think they

765

:

think the movie's over now, right?

766

:

Yeah.

767

:

So in silence of the lambs,

that one's coming out.

768

:

We're in, uh, on Halloween.

769

:

We already recorded it, but we talked

about Clarice's back and forth and,

770

:

and her, her, uh, her tangible goal

was she just wanted to be involved.

771

:

She just wanted to be included.

772

:

She just wanted to help.

773

:

She just wanted to help.

774

:

The Silence of the Midsummer,

which I did love the title.

775

:

I loved the title when I

saw it pop up on my Spotify.

776

:

I was like, Yeah.

777

:

Yeah, that was a fun one.

778

:

You gotta listen to that and hear

how giddy we get on that one.

779

:

I did.

780

:

Especially, especially me.

781

:

I listened to the first, I

think, 20 minutes of it and

782

:

you guys were already, Off.

783

:

Yeah.

784

:

We're, we go off and running now.

785

:

That's such a disturbing movie.

786

:

And for the listeners, my, my mother's

messaged us both today and said, oh my

787

:

gosh, I listened to that, that episode.

788

:

And I, she was laughing because my

brother took her to see Midsummer,

789

:

and I couldn't believe he did

because it's such a disturbing movie.

790

:

And anyways, but well, and

you'll hear on that podcast.

791

:

I've taken our mother to see

some messed up movies before.

792

:

So this is my love for my mother.

793

:

I've taken her to see, uh, the whale.

794

:

I took her to see leaving Las

Vegas when I was 20 years old.

795

:

That's a horrible movie where a

drunk tells a prostitute about.

796

:

Coming in her hair or something

like I'm with my mother.

797

:

I'm with my mother in this anyway.

798

:

Anyway, anyway, anyway, we're getting

off track again We're getting off

799

:

track back to jaws back to jaws, so So

the tangible goal is what they want.

800

:

Yeah, the spiritual goal is what they

need and Generally, what they need

801

:

is to conquer that theme that was

presented to them at the beginning You

802

:

already know if you've seen jaws, you

know where I'm going with this, right?

803

:

So his tangible goal is to Get somebody to

deal with this shark, somebody, anybody,

804

:

anybody, but me to deal with this shark.

805

:

So he's avoiding the

responsibility as much as he can.

806

:

I've heard, uh, uh, critiques of

jaws that say, Oh, once he makes the

807

:

decision to go out on the Orca, he is.

808

:

Conquered his fear of the water

and fuck that he's still a pussy.

809

:

Wait till we get on the orca Brody's got

a laundry list of shit that still makes

810

:

him the weak link of the three, right?

811

:

But anyway, we're gonna hurt ourselves.

812

:

Okay, so, uh b story fun and games

midpoint scene So the scare at the beach

813

:

on the fourth of july is the midpoint

scene and why this is hugely important

814

:

Not just because it lands an hour into

the movie, but It's coincidentally

815

:

the fourth human fatality as they're

a guy in the boat meets his maker.

816

:

He's the guy that loses

his leg and then dies.

817

:

Usually what we have here for you,

Blake Snyder fans, it's called

818

:

the false victory because the main

character gets his tangible goal.

819

:

He got what he thinks he wants.

820

:

So to him.

821

:

Problem solved, right?

822

:

Of course, we all know the second

half of the film, everything goes

823

:

to shit, and it's all the bad stuff

that happens, so, and again, we're

824

:

forcing the protagonist to deal with

his inner theme, his inner problem.

825

:

So why is this a false victory?

826

:

Because even though a guy died, Brody

gets to corner the mayor in the hospital

827

:

and say you're gonna sign this waiver

to hire Quint to kill the shark, right?

828

:

Right now.

829

:

Right now.

830

:

Right now, you're gonna give me what

I want, which is we're gonna hire

831

:

somebody to deal with this, a real

expert, to deal with killing the shark.

832

:

That's a false victory.

833

:

And quick side point.

834

:

He also, the man also lights a smoke

in the hospital, I'm like, yeah, they

835

:

can really feel this is a different

time, lights up, I'm like, Jerry,

836

:

didn't I send you a picture of that?

837

:

Yeah.

838

:

Yeah.

839

:

I took a picture of the screen when he

lit the cigarette or when he's hitting

840

:

the cigarette in the, in the hospital.

841

:

And I said, how come more hospitals

didn't explode in the seventies?

842

:

So, so now they're out on the Orca.

843

:

We already nailed the part where he said,

he tells Ellen before he goes, don't,

844

:

don't use the fireplace in the den.

845

:

I haven't fixed it yet.

846

:

Just another little moment where

he's avoiding responsibility.

847

:

I'm going to give you a quick laundry

list of moments of Brody still

848

:

fighting against his spiritual goal

of dealing with this problem himself.

849

:

Okay.

850

:

I'm just going to give

you a quick bullet points.

851

:

Are you ready?

852

:

You're going to need a bigger boat.

853

:

Adlib.

854

:

After they talk about Yes, yes.

855

:

After they talk about how big the

shark really is, he says, We're gonna

856

:

go back and get a bigger boat, right?

857

:

Hooper wants him to go to the

end of the pulpit so he can

858

:

get a picture of it to scale.

859

:

And terrified, Brody says, Scale my ass!

860

:

He's just not going out there, right?

861

:

Moments later, Quint is trying

to tag the shark with a barrel.

862

:

Brody's yelling, Kill it, Quint!

863

:

Kill it!

864

:

Now!

865

:

Kill it?

866

:

Kill it?

867

:

Like, Quint is just trying to

tag it with those yellow barrels.

868

:

He's not trying to kill the thing

right now, he's just trying to tag it.

869

:

Brody's up there, you

know, like, Kill it, Quint!

870

:

Let's kill it and go home!

871

:

Like, what the hell are you talking about?

872

:

So when things aren't working out,

Brody laments, What do we do now?

873

:

We're quitting, right?

874

:

He literally says that.

875

:

Then, later, why don't we

lead him into shore instead

876

:

of him leading us out to sea?

877

:

Again, I'm a f I don't want to

deal with this, let's, how about

878

:

we just kind of get closer to home?

879

:

And then maybe if we get close enough,

you can just drop me off and you guys

880

:

continue to go taking care of this.

881

:

Let us not forget the doomed distress

call to the Coast Guard where the

882

:

radio is met with Quint's bat.

883

:

He's calling for help!

884

:

And Quint comes in and beats

the shit out of it with the bat.

885

:

So these are all, yeah, these

are all moments where Brody is

886

:

avoiding responsibility, still

hasn't learned his lesson yet.

887

:

That's the main thing.

888

:

So that's the whole second act there,

or the second half of the second

889

:

act, which is bad guys closing in.

890

:

That's another beat for

you Blake Snyder disciples.

891

:

Bad guys closing in is where all the

things I just mentioned Uh, uh, quit keeps

892

:

berating Hooper and his equipment, you

know, Oh, your city boy with your city

893

:

hands, you know, Yeah, they all Um, they

had their first real encounter with the

894

:

shark um He eats through the fishing wire

They have that scene with the matching

895

:

scars and of course the indianapolis

speech which I think we posted on the

896

:

silver screen Happy hour page one time.

897

:

Is this the greatest

monologue in film history?

898

:

Now, people might not know this.

899

:

It went through several drafts of

writers before Robert Shaw himself

900

:

said, let me have a crack at it.

901

:

And what you see on screen

is Robert Shaw's version.

902

:

So they even brought in John, John

Milius, who wrote, uh, uh, Red Dawn.

903

:

Wrote and directed Red Dawn.

904

:

I think he wrote the script

for Apocalypse Now, I think.

905

:

They brought him in to write

the Indianapolis speech.

906

:

And his version was the one they

were about to shoot, and Robert

907

:

Shaw pulled Spielberg aside at the

zero hour and said, let me do it.

908

:

Let me do it.

909

:

Just let me give my version.

910

:

And see if you like it.

911

:

And the version you see on

screen is Robert Shaw's version.

912

:

That's amazing.

913

:

I love that.

914

:

Yeah.

915

:

Um, all right.

916

:

So now we get to the all is lost again.

917

:

Major beat point.

918

:

This is huge for all you writers.

919

:

The all is lost.

920

:

Okay.

921

:

That means shit hits the fan.

922

:

Everything we've wanted to do

up until this point is gone.

923

:

And we're basically screwed.

924

:

And there's no way out of this, right?

925

:

Uh, think of your favorite movies.

926

:

What are some of the all is lost

in some of your favorite films?

927

:

Um.

928

:

Infinity War.

929

:

What?

930

:

Infinity War.

931

:

I was going to say Infinity War.

932

:

It's a tough one.

933

:

Oh, yeah.

934

:

Big time.

935

:

Yeah.

936

:

Yeah.

937

:

Um, here's the problem with Infinity War.

938

:

Well.

939

:

Infinity War and Endgame is

all one big movie, right?

940

:

Yeah.

941

:

Yeah.

942

:

So that's more the midpoint scene, I

guess, because you get to the end of

943

:

three hours and the credits roll and

you're like, well, we got three more hours

944

:

to go when the other movie comes out.

945

:

So it's, that one's a tough call,

but, but usually it's where, and

946

:

I told my brother this story.

947

:

I was in a hotel room.

948

:

Uh, my parents come out to visit.

949

:

By the way, Chris lives in Michigan still.

950

:

I was born in Michigan, but

I live in California now.

951

:

My folks, our folks come out

and visit me twice a year.

952

:

And sometimes we'll go to somewhere

like Santa Cruz or Monterey.

953

:

We get a hotel room.

954

:

Once we get the girls to bed,

I'll go to my parents room.

955

:

We'll play cards and drink.

956

:

Right.

957

:

That's what we do.

958

:

One time I come in and my mom's

watching a Hallmark Channel movie.

959

:

You remember this, right, Chris,

when I told you this story?

960

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

961

:

So, and, and, and I already, I sit down,

I haven't watched a stitch of this movie,

962

:

I don't know what's going on, but I sit

down and I go, how far are we in on this?

963

:

She goes, Oh, it's been

on for over an hour.

964

:

I go, okay, something

bad's about to happen.

965

:

He goes, what do you mean?

966

:

I go, who's the main guy?

967

:

She goes, that guy right there.

968

:

I said, okay, whatever's

going on with this guy.

969

:

Shit's about to hit the fan

and you Mazel roll the credits.

970

:

Cause the movie's basically going to be.

971

:

In the gutter.

972

:

What happens?

973

:

The girl and the guy break up.

974

:

She moves out of town or whatever.

975

:

I mean it's just like

a complete shit show.

976

:

And she's like, How did you

know that was gonna happen?

977

:

I was like, It's standard.

978

:

All is lost happens around, Right,

about 75 percent into your film.

979

:

Right?

980

:

75 minutes in to say a 100 minute film,

but when, uh, uh, the Terminator, when

981

:

was the all is lost in the Terminator

when Reese died or so for that?

982

:

No, I think that's more

part of the finale.

983

:

Um, I would say that all is lost

is when the Terminator shoots

984

:

up the police station because

at that point she feels like.

985

:

Oh, it's great.

986

:

I'm safe.

987

:

Yeah, she was, she had a false victory.

988

:

She was safe in the police station.

989

:

Reese was insane.

990

:

I'm safe.

991

:

I'm surrounded by 30 cops.

992

:

Everything's good.

993

:

And then the Terminator comes in

and single handedly annihilates

994

:

the entire police station.

995

:

Lights that place up.

996

:

Not only does he just

come in, he drives in.

997

:

To get rid of everybody.

998

:

Right, right.

999

:

So, so that, um, yeah.

:

00:45:02,905 --> 00:45:05,495

So that, and then of course that

leads to this Dark Night of the

:

00:45:05,495 --> 00:45:08,535

Soul where she's in, that, by the

way, follows the, all those laws.

:

00:45:08,704 --> 00:45:11,374

When everything hits the fan,

shit hits the fan, you have this

:

00:45:11,374 --> 00:45:12,745

moment, it could be 30 seconds.

:

00:45:13,055 --> 00:45:14,175

It could be five minutes.

:

00:45:14,565 --> 00:45:17,775

It's the moment where the protagonist has

to consider, what are we going to do next?

:

00:45:17,785 --> 00:45:18,675

What am I going to do next?

:

00:45:19,025 --> 00:45:23,644

And it's that scene in the tunnel

in the Terminator, by the way, we've

:

00:45:23,645 --> 00:45:27,628

jumped off a jaws for a moment.

:

00:45:27,628 --> 00:45:32,765

Anyway, anyway, um, it's after

they, uh, avoid the police station

:

00:45:32,765 --> 00:45:33,785

that gets them into act three.

:

00:45:33,785 --> 00:45:35,015

But anyway, let's get back to jaws.

:

00:45:35,575 --> 00:45:36,855

So the, all is lost.

:

00:45:36,855 --> 00:45:40,795

A lot of people think it's Quinn's death

and it's not, and I'll tell you why.

:

00:45:41,225 --> 00:45:43,425

Because there's no time for, for him to.

:

00:45:43,845 --> 00:45:47,604

Lament or think about

anything after Quint dies.

:

00:45:47,605 --> 00:45:50,135

The reason why people think it's

Quint's death is because generally

:

00:45:50,135 --> 00:45:52,795

the all is lost, somebody dies.

:

00:45:54,125 --> 00:45:57,755

Um, where you're obiwan dying, right?

:

00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:02,285

Like there's usually somebody dies and

you're like, where do I go from here?

:

00:46:02,585 --> 00:46:03,245

I'm fucked.

:

00:46:03,915 --> 00:46:06,295

And they call it the whiff of death.

:

00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:07,825

All is lost, is considered whiff of death.

:

00:46:07,975 --> 00:46:09,505

It doesn't have to be a person dying.

:

00:46:10,575 --> 00:46:15,655

All of lost, all is lost in

jaws is the orca, the ship.

:

00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:18,900

Blows up the engine

basically blows up now.

:

00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:19,640

They're stranded.

:

00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,830

They can't swim to shore

because there's a shark.

:

00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:27,309

They can't move the boat anymore The

boat's now taking on water and they

:

00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,229

can't call anybody either They can't

call anybody because quit beat the

:

00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:36,610

shit out of the other radio They're

fucked and the shock attack the Bart.

:

00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:37,970

They're fucked.

:

00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:43,600

They're fucked they're literally all

sitting on like the the the dock part,

:

00:46:43,610 --> 00:46:50,160

you know the boat the deck and Uh,

Hooper, Dreyfuss, is just sort of staring

:

00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,880

off like, Quint, uh, Shider, right?

:

00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,750

Shider is Brody.

:

00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:56,560

He's just standing there.

:

00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:57,510

I don't know what the fuck to do.

:

00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,340

And then, and then Quint comes

out with the life jackets.

:

00:47:01,350 --> 00:47:04,700

Now remember, he already said in the

speech, the Indianapolis speech, he'll

:

00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:06,029

never put on a life jacket again.

:

00:47:06,310 --> 00:47:08,369

He throws the life

jackets to the other two.

:

00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:12,440

And he zips up his jacket and he just

sort of sits there with his arms crossed.

:

00:47:12,450 --> 00:47:13,290

All three of them are fucked.

:

00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:14,110

They don't know what they're gonna do.

:

00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:14,850

Right?

:

00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:17,450

Now that's the dark night of the soul.

:

00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:20,150

What are we gonna do to get out of this?

:

00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:21,030

Right?

:

00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,640

In this film, it's only about 30

seconds, because Quint then says

:

00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,930

to Hooper, Hooper, what can you

do with this equipment of yours?

:

00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:32,770

No, we're not there yet, we're

not, we're not there yet.

:

00:47:34,429 --> 00:47:37,039

But he says, Hooper, what can we

do with this equipment of yours?

:

00:47:37,379 --> 00:47:40,669

And Hooper tells him, well, if I can get

inside of this cage, I can maybe stick

:

00:47:40,669 --> 00:47:42,628

him with some poison and blah, blah, blah.

:

00:47:42,628 --> 00:47:44,759

Now, remember, people

say, well, that's Quint.

:

00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:47,320

Not Brody jumping into act three.

:

00:47:47,790 --> 00:47:50,800

I thought this was Brody's story and

it is because what does Brody say?

:

00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:54,370

That shake, that shark will

eat that cage apart, right?

:

00:47:54,590 --> 00:47:55,909

He's already given up on that.

:

00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,830

That's not going to work.

:

00:47:57,090 --> 00:47:59,579

And Hooper turns around and says,

you got any better suggestions?

:

00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:04,020

The very next shot, even the,

even John Williams score picks up.

:

00:48:04,149 --> 00:48:06,980

Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan,

Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan.

:

00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:08,820

Well, they're building the cage, right?

:

00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:09,080

Yeah.

:

00:48:09,310 --> 00:48:12,700

So we're now in act three writers.

:

00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,650

Listen to me.

:

00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:17,080

Your act three has five points.

:

00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:19,910

It is called the five point finale.

:

00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:23,149

And all good scripts

have a five point finale.

:

00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:25,980

Because most people think, well,

when I get in act three, Uh,

:

00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:27,499

the bad guy kills the good guy.

:

00:48:28,090 --> 00:48:28,580

Oh, sorry.

:

00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:29,260

Scratch that.

:

00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,480

That blue curacao is kicking in already.

:

00:48:32,650 --> 00:48:34,290

The good guy kills the bad guy.

:

00:48:34,590 --> 00:48:35,630

And the movie's over.

:

00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:36,360

No, no, no.

:

00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,480

To make it interesting, you need

to have a five point finale.

:

00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:40,469

I'm gonna read them off to you.

:

00:48:40,469 --> 00:48:40,960

Are you ready?

:

00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:45,540

Part one, gathering the team, right?

:

00:48:45,570 --> 00:48:48,180

It's usually in the movie, a lot of

action films have this where they're

:

00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:51,810

like, they get all the guys together and

they're gearing up their guns, right?

:

00:48:51,909 --> 00:48:56,789

And they're putting a, uh, a commando

Schwarzenegger in a commando getting off

:

00:48:56,789 --> 00:49:00,459

the beach, putting on the vest, zipping

it up, cocking all his guns, putting

:

00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:02,630

on the paint that's gathering the team.

:

00:49:02,730 --> 00:49:03,090

Right.

:

00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:05,080

Uh, in this film.

:

00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:06,750

Uh, they're building the cage.

:

00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:08,140

They're building the cage.

:

00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:09,880

Executing the plan.

:

00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:12,260

Point number two of

your five point finale.

:

00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:13,480

Hooper is in the cage.

:

00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:15,470

He's ready to stick the

shark with the poison.

:

00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,770

That's the plan.

:

00:49:17,420 --> 00:49:17,760

Okay?

:

00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:19,289

Third point.

:

00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:20,620

High tower surprise.

:

00:49:20,769 --> 00:49:22,090

Your plan has now gone to shit.

:

00:49:22,949 --> 00:49:23,309

Okay?

:

00:49:24,129 --> 00:49:28,250

So, again, in Commando, he

gets found out too early.

:

00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:30,460

They see him and all the

alarms are going off.

:

00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:32,860

He's like, shit, they're gonna kill my

daughter now that they know I'm here.

:

00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,320

Right?

:

00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:35,460

Just, just to jump back

to that one real quick.

:

00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,480

Anyway, Hightower surprise.

:

00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,670

Uh, the shark makes quick

work of that cage, by the way.

:

00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,529

Oh, straight away.

:

00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:43,080

Right.

:

00:49:43,820 --> 00:49:45,250

Presumably kills Hooper.

:

00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:47,230

He does kill Quint.

:

00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,750

That's the Hightower surprise for Brody.

:

00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,090

Because now, his two people

that he expected to solve

:

00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:56,110

this problem are now dead.

:

00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:57,190

Or presumably dead.

:

00:49:57,460 --> 00:49:57,980

Right?

:

00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:59,640

One of them you watched

in front of his eye.

:

00:50:00,260 --> 00:50:02,130

One for sure that he

watched in front of him.

:

00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:06,480

So now you have your fourth point,

which is the dig down deep moment.

:

00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:12,090

That's where, uh, uh, uh,

John McClane and Diehard.

:

00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:17,760

The Hightower surprise is, fuck, I'm

out of bullets, I got two bullets left.

:

00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:22,010

And the guys that were here to

help me, the FBI guys are dead.

:

00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,470

You know, shit, what do I do?

:

00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:25,880

Dig down deep.

:

00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:27,020

Figure out a way.

:

00:50:27,110 --> 00:50:29,210

He sees the tape that says

season greetings on it.

:

00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:29,839

I got it.

:

00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:31,070

I'll tape the gun to my back.

:

00:50:31,685 --> 00:50:32,515

That's, right?

:

00:50:32,565 --> 00:50:34,055

That's his dig down deep.

:

00:50:34,615 --> 00:50:39,015

Brody, just in fear of trying to

save his own life, tries to hit

:

00:50:39,015 --> 00:50:42,665

the shark in the face with the air

tank, and he throws it in his mouth.

:

00:50:43,225 --> 00:50:46,344

And he remembers, wait a minute, these

things are sensitive, they could blow up.

:

00:50:46,675 --> 00:50:47,945

Which I think he's told like twice.

:

00:50:47,945 --> 00:50:51,205

I feel like twice, and he's

like Oh, don't touch that.

:

00:50:51,235 --> 00:50:52,255

'cause they could explode.

:

00:50:52,465 --> 00:50:53,335

Don't touch that.

:

00:50:53,365 --> 00:50:54,355

'cause it could explode.

:

00:50:54,385 --> 00:50:54,445

Yeah.

:

00:50:54,445 --> 00:50:55,885

You would be surprised.

:

00:50:55,885 --> 00:50:59,395

You would be surprised how many times

those tanks actually appear when they're

:

00:50:59,395 --> 00:51:00,955

flipping through the book earlier.

:

00:51:01,075 --> 00:51:02,905

There's a picture of a shark

with a tank in his mouth.

:

00:51:03,285 --> 00:51:03,795

Oh wow.

:

00:51:03,795 --> 00:51:07,965

And then as they flip through the pages

more, when Brody's like investing, you

:

00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:12,345

know, really researching, there's a shot

of, uh, sharks that are attacking a boat

:

00:51:12,555 --> 00:51:14,475

and all the divers have the tanks on.

:

00:51:14,805 --> 00:51:17,385

They keep showing the tanks over and over.

:

00:51:17,385 --> 00:51:19,605

In fact, that picture

you have up right there.

:

00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,670

Of Quint dying?

:

00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,190

How did he fall down there?

:

00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:26,320

He went to grab onto the ledge, and

that tank rolled over onto his fingers!

:

00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:27,630

Boom.

:

00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:29,440

And he's all, AHHHHH!

:

00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,990

And he lets go, and that's what slides

him down into the death, death spot.

:

00:51:33,350 --> 00:51:35,620

So, the tank is brought up a lot.

:

00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:38,479

Yes, Hooper does give the, Damn it, Brody!

:

00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:40,440

You mess with these and

they're gonna blow up!

:

00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,720

This is compressed air!

:

00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:47,795

So, yeah, that's Spielberg's way of

constantly Just shoehorning this into

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00:51:47,795 --> 00:51:51,915

the script, any chance he can get,

so that the audience is ready for

:

00:51:52,095 --> 00:51:53,695

the tank is now in the shark's mouth.

:

00:51:54,014 --> 00:51:55,485

That's his dig down deep.

:

00:51:55,495 --> 00:51:58,815

He's got nobody left, he's

forced to do something.

:

00:51:59,794 --> 00:52:03,945

Fifth point, execution of the new plan.

:

00:52:04,484 --> 00:52:06,115

He knows what the new plan is now.

:

00:52:06,245 --> 00:52:07,585

He's gearing up his rifle.

:

00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:12,949

He grabs a little poker and he's, he's

climbing to the top, right, of that mast.

:

00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:14,110

So, right, there you go.

:

00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:15,930

So that's the execution of the new plan.

:

00:52:16,570 --> 00:52:20,000

Um, the, and that's the climax.

:

00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:21,680

The execution of the

new plan is your climax.

:

00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:25,380

Shark's coming at him, smile

you son of a bitch, boom!

:

00:52:26,099 --> 00:52:26,819

Blows his head off.

:

00:52:27,419 --> 00:52:32,240

Now, after the climax, obviously

after the crowd's cheering, Yay!

:

00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:33,790

What a great movie!

:

00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:37,400

You have your resolution,

yes, you have your resolution.

:

00:52:37,735 --> 00:52:42,505

Okay, that, uh, comes and it's

Brody achieves his spiritual goal.

:

00:52:42,985 --> 00:52:48,385

He finally stopped avoiding responsibility

and dealt with the shark himself.

:

00:52:48,745 --> 00:52:51,385

He was forced to deal

with the shark himself.

:

00:52:51,545 --> 00:52:57,185

And that's what a lot of times your main

character, by the end, they are forced

:

00:52:57,205 --> 00:52:59,615

into dealing with their spiritual goal.

:

00:53:00,005 --> 00:53:03,185

They avoid it the whole movie

and they get it at the end.

:

00:53:03,225 --> 00:53:06,004

Flight, Denzel Washington,

another textbook script

:

00:53:06,005 --> 00:53:07,195

they could teach in schools.

:

00:53:07,664 --> 00:53:07,994

Right?

:

00:53:08,490 --> 00:53:12,190

If you've ever seen Flight, he's

an alcoholic, he saves the lives

:

00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:16,170

of this, uh, plane crash, but he

was drunk and high when he did it.

:

00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:19,890

So, he's afraid, I'm gonna lose my

license, they're gonna blame me for

:

00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:25,009

the people that did die, even though

I did a miracle, sully type of move

:

00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,890

to save the lives of everybody else.

:

00:53:27,289 --> 00:53:28,689

But what is his spiritual goal?

:

00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:34,160

He does confess at the end,

and they put him in jail.

:

00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:37,210

But that's what he needed,

that was his spiritual goal.

:

00:53:37,340 --> 00:53:40,817

Sorry, I should have said spoiler alert

for anyone who hasn't seen Flight.

:

00:53:40,817 --> 00:53:42,319

It's fine, it's fine.

:

00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,300

Sorry, I just fucking ruined it.

:

00:53:44,579 --> 00:53:47,669

Anyway, so, yeah, spoiler alert

if you haven't seen Flight.

:

00:53:47,699 --> 00:53:50,459

But, watch it, screenwriters,

watch it for this reason.

:

00:53:50,929 --> 00:53:54,270

At the end, when he finally

has his moment of truth.

:

00:53:54,915 --> 00:53:58,555

You know, they're trying to pin the

alcohol that's missing on the stewardess

:

00:53:58,555 --> 00:54:01,595

and he's all, Trina didn't drink

the vodka because I drank the vodka.

:

00:54:01,715 --> 00:54:03,875

And he comes out and he

starts confessing everything.

:

00:54:03,974 --> 00:54:04,945

They throw him in jail.

:

00:54:05,075 --> 00:54:08,674

And the resolution is his son actually

wants to meet him again because his son

:

00:54:08,674 --> 00:54:10,105

has disowned him because he's a drunk.

:

00:54:10,774 --> 00:54:12,314

But now he got his spiritual goal.

:

00:54:12,455 --> 00:54:17,194

I'm in jail, but I'm clean and I get

to repair my relationship with my son.

:

00:54:17,384 --> 00:54:19,175

He never, the point, here's the point.

:

00:54:20,515 --> 00:54:22,145

Does your main character.

:

00:54:22,310 --> 00:54:23,060

Change.

:

00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:26,780

Meaning if you were to pull your

main character out of the end of the

:

00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:29,510

film and put him at the beginning,

are they making different choices?

:

00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:30,350

Right.

:

00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:32,690

Denzel and Flight is a

completely different person.

:

00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:33,600

Mm-Hmm.

:

00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,200

Brody.

:

00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,510

If you were to tell him at the beginning

of the movie, you're gonna shoot

:

00:54:36,510 --> 00:54:40,040

a shark tank or you're gonna shoot

a tank to blow up a shark's head.

:

00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,781

While if you, by the way, if you miss.

:

00:54:42,205 --> 00:54:44,105

You're dead, right?

:

00:54:44,155 --> 00:54:46,185

He would have been

like, fuck, no, I'm not.

:

00:54:46,235 --> 00:54:47,695

I don't want nothing to do with that.

:

00:54:47,735 --> 00:54:48,805

Get the deputy to do it.

:

00:54:49,415 --> 00:54:49,485

Right.

:

00:54:49,485 --> 00:54:52,025

Let me get anybody else, anybody else.

:

00:54:52,164 --> 00:54:54,705

He spent the whole movie

avoiding this responsibility.

:

00:54:54,855 --> 00:54:56,195

He's forced to deal with at the end.

:

00:54:56,195 --> 00:54:56,755

It's a great shot.

:

00:54:56,765 --> 00:55:01,284

You got up, by the way, because that's

him dealing with his spiritual goal.

:

00:55:01,295 --> 00:55:03,024

Final image above the sea.

:

00:55:03,344 --> 00:55:06,354

Danger has been defeated

and they swim back to shore.

:

00:55:06,664 --> 00:55:09,334

Happily, mirror flip of the opening image.

:

00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,040

Even though it was the

fourth shot, I think.

:

00:55:11,050 --> 00:55:13,130

I think it was the fourth,

fourth shot he tried it.

:

00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:13,570

Yeah.

:

00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:16,380

Yeah, I think it was.

:

00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:20,680

Right, but if it happens on the first

shot, that's That's lame, right?

:

00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:21,810

You need the conflict.

:

00:55:22,330 --> 00:55:25,200

You need the conflict of I'm

down to my last bullet, and this

:

00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,469

thing is raging on me, and I keep

missing, I got one more shot.

:

00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:32,509

They do something Go ahead.

:

00:55:32,839 --> 00:55:36,869

I was perplexed about that scene,

cause, is that a bolt action rifle?

:

00:55:37,870 --> 00:55:42,990

Um, Chris, do not get technical,

because I didn't see him, I didn't

:

00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:44,240

see him putting new bullets in.

:

00:55:44,260 --> 00:55:46,430

Nobody wants to hear

your bullshit, all right?

:

00:55:46,450 --> 00:55:49,700

I'm just saying, man, I'm looking

at it going, that looks like a bolt

:

00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:52,140

action, that's one shot at a time.

:

00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:54,109

He used the wrong rifle to do this.

:

00:55:54,590 --> 00:55:59,210

If you think that's bad, if you think

that's bad, there's a personal vendetta

:

00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:01,280

a lot of fans have with Mythbusters.

:

00:56:02,365 --> 00:56:05,795

Because it turns out, tanks don't

explode when you shoot them.

:

00:56:06,635 --> 00:56:10,015

Well, it, uh, regular compressed

air, right, but if it was an

:

00:56:10,025 --> 00:56:11,675

oxygen tank, that's different.

:

00:56:11,985 --> 00:56:14,174

Well, the Mythbusters apparently tried it.

:

00:56:15,815 --> 00:56:17,285

So, here's my problem.

:

00:56:17,625 --> 00:56:19,135

Fuck Mythbusters, right?

:

00:56:19,495 --> 00:56:22,654

Because, how dare you ruin

our childhood with this shit?

:

00:56:23,115 --> 00:56:25,974

Um, in fact, another podcast, I

wanna say it was those Writers

:

00:56:25,975 --> 00:56:27,194

Blockbusters guys talked about.

:

00:56:27,414 --> 00:56:30,155

It was like, such a letdown

that Mythbusters ruined it.

:

00:56:30,475 --> 00:56:31,015

Fuck, fuck.

:

00:56:31,675 --> 00:56:32,905

We should give them a shout out.

:

00:56:32,905 --> 00:56:35,745

So a, a podcast, I don't know

if you ever heard of these guys,

:

00:56:36,065 --> 00:56:41,135

um, uh, Writers, blockbusters,

writers, a blockbusters podcast.

:

00:56:41,355 --> 00:56:43,555

It's, it's ran by Bob Reuters.

:

00:56:43,625 --> 00:56:44,035

Yeah.

:

00:56:44,095 --> 00:56:47,935

These guys are screenwriters and, uh,

they're, they're, it's a great podcast.

:

00:56:47,935 --> 00:56:49,854

And we found them after we started ours.

:

00:56:50,135 --> 00:56:56,425

And I tried not to listen to the shows

because they, didn't they just do Jaws?

:

00:56:56,765 --> 00:57:00,545

Um, no, they did Jaws a while ago, but

what they did, what turned us on to

:

00:57:00,545 --> 00:57:04,055

it, is we had just done our Silence

of the Lambs episode, and so did they.

:

00:57:04,305 --> 00:57:04,675

Holy shit.

:

00:57:04,675 --> 00:57:05,675

So we found it.

:

00:57:05,675 --> 00:57:06,544

August the 27th.

:

00:57:06,545 --> 00:57:09,204

Yeah.

:

00:57:09,284 --> 00:57:12,355

And we recorded ours before we

listened to that, thankfully.

:

00:57:13,384 --> 00:57:16,789

By the way, By the way, we're

firing up number two here.

:

00:57:16,940 --> 00:57:20,300

Yeah, I should ask, how long

do your podcasts usually go?

:

00:57:20,650 --> 00:57:26,200

And, uh, you know, I mean, And do you mind

cutting this up into like five episodes?

:

00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,230

Is your afternoon free?

:

00:57:30,759 --> 00:57:34,029

Usually when I'm by myself, the

episode goes for about 45 minutes.

:

00:57:35,095 --> 00:57:37,735

The longest I've had, I've

done episode with a guest.

:

00:57:37,745 --> 00:57:39,495

I think we did two and a half hours.

:

00:57:39,585 --> 00:57:40,255

Oh my gosh.

:

00:57:40,265 --> 00:57:40,545

Okay.

:

00:57:40,545 --> 00:57:42,595

Well, I know you're ready

to break your record.

:

00:57:42,895 --> 00:57:48,994

Well, I can say this, the next one,

we shouldn't spend nearly as long.

:

00:57:49,074 --> 00:57:53,445

No, the next one, but anyway, I'm

gonna go through some trivia first.

:

00:57:53,655 --> 00:57:57,535

So before we do the trivia, let

the listener and the viewers know.

:

00:57:58,305 --> 00:58:01,625

Um, something we do on our podcast, and

we're going to do it at the end of this

:

00:58:01,625 --> 00:58:06,175

one, um, I, I just want to throw this

teaser out because, um, we always do this

:

00:58:06,185 --> 00:58:11,404

game of six degrees of separation where

we pick two actors that were in both from

:

00:58:11,405 --> 00:58:16,825

each of the movies, and my brother, um,

will Try to figure out if you can connect

:

00:58:16,825 --> 00:58:21,305

these two actors by connecting them to

other actors that were in movies with

:

00:58:21,305 --> 00:58:24,175

them, uh, within six degrees, six movies.

:

00:58:24,525 --> 00:58:29,645

Um, and, but the trick is, the caveat

is, we can't use the two movies

:

00:58:30,085 --> 00:58:31,465

that we're talking about today.

:

00:58:32,085 --> 00:58:36,265

So he'll have to pick movies that

they were in and there's a special

:

00:58:36,265 --> 00:58:41,455

twist for today Um, I haven't told my

brother which two actors I've picked

:

00:58:42,375 --> 00:58:44,045

He's gonna make me do it on the spot.

:

00:58:44,055 --> 00:58:44,884

Do it on the spot.

:

00:58:44,915 --> 00:58:48,544

So normally on our show I'll tell

him the night before or even the day

:

00:58:48,545 --> 00:58:51,255

of and he'll look it up and he'll

figure it out before the show starts

:

00:58:51,255 --> 00:58:54,435

Because remember it's here's the thing

before you say well, that's cheating.

:

00:58:54,685 --> 00:58:59,460

This isn't stumped Jerome All right, the

six degrees is we just want to Are there

:

00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:01,690

two actors that can't be connected now?

:

00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,840

This all started from the six

degrees of kevin bacon game,

:

00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,890

which i'm sure you've heard of.

:

00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:08,370

Hey, he's the best spelling actor today

:

00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:19,429

That was good Um, so but but because

of that game Uh, and by the way Those

:

00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:22,510

guys that created that book that wrote

that book the six degrees of kevin

:

00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:25,560

bacon where any actor can be connected

with kevin Bacon within six degrees

:

00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:27,860

a degree being a film connection.

:

00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:32,680

They use directors and they use tv

shows We don't use none of that shit.

:

00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:35,650

You have to be onscreen

in a feature length film.

:

00:59:35,710 --> 00:59:35,950

Yeah.

:

00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:36,730

On the big screen.

:

00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:38,290

Uh, on the big screen to be included.

:

00:59:38,290 --> 00:59:39,040

Which is fair.

:

00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:41,970

Which is fair, and which makes

it a little bit more difficult.

:

00:59:41,970 --> 00:59:44,280

And again, like, like my brother

said, we can't use the films

:

00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,120

that we're talking about today.

:

00:59:45,125 --> 00:59:47,070

So, so we added a level of difficulty.

:

00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:50,630

Normally you would use any film

that was on the big screen, but

:

00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:54,740

our, our most famous connection

is Chaplain to Carrot Top.

:

00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:58,100

You can, those actually

connect within six degrees.

:

00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,750

In fact, I think it's in four, isn't it?

:

00:59:59,750 --> 01:00:00,860

I think you did it in four.

:

01:00:00,860 --> 01:00:01,220

Yeah.

:

01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:03,430

Charlie Chaplin, the carrot top.

:

01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:06,380

So, so, uh, because I know you want

to know, Lee, so I'll just tell you.

:

01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:06,830

I do.

:

01:00:06,830 --> 01:00:13,339

So Charlie Chaplin's last film was called

The Countess of Hong Kong with Marlon

:

01:00:13,339 --> 01:00:17,400

Brando, which Chaplin also directed,

but he appears in the film as well.

:

01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:24,540

Marlon Brando, um, was in

The Godfather with Al Pacino.

:

01:00:24,910 --> 01:00:28,510

So, uh, Countess of Hong

Kong, The Godfather.

:

01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:34,520

Pacino is in, uh, is it Injustice

for All with Jack Warden?

:

01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,140

Jack Warden is in Chairman

of the Board with Carrot Top.

:

01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:40,619

God damn.

:

01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,050

Yeah, so we're gonna do that game.

:

01:00:44,149 --> 01:00:47,490

I haven't told my brother, and Yeah, so

now he's gonna make me do this one on

:

01:00:47,490 --> 01:00:49,229

the fly like I'm some friggin expert.

:

01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:52,730

No, I told him, he can look at

IMDB if he needs to, which I think

:

01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:55,530

I would have to look just to see

what other movies they were in.

:

01:00:56,420 --> 01:00:57,860

Yeah, okay, so we'll try that.

:

01:00:57,860 --> 01:01:00,540

But anyway, so let me do some

quick trivia before we move on

:

01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:01,630

to the shit version of Jaws.

:

01:01:01,650 --> 01:01:01,680

Okay.

:

01:01:03,010 --> 01:01:09,240

So, so, so just my opinion

about Brody being lazy.

:

01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,130

But if you knew if you read the book,

okay, so there is a book written by

:

01:01:13,130 --> 01:01:21,070

Peter Benchley called Jaws, and it was

loosely inspired by Peter Benchley's

:

01:01:21,090 --> 01:01:26,360

interest in this fisherman named

Frank Mundus from Montauk, New York.

:

01:01:26,635 --> 01:01:26,955

Right?

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01:01:27,185 --> 01:01:30,085

So he investigated his

exploits and everything.

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01:01:30,095 --> 01:01:33,205

He's a big fisherman, and that's

how he got the inspiration for Jaws.

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01:01:33,595 --> 01:01:37,825

Um, they struggled with the

name, the publisher, Doubleday.

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01:01:37,845 --> 01:01:41,945

They wanted to call it like Jaws of Death

or Jaws of Danger and all this shit.

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01:01:42,245 --> 01:01:45,865

And they finally just settled

on Jaws, um, in the end of it.

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01:01:45,875 --> 01:01:49,465

But in the book, there's a

lot of crazy shit which really

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01:01:49,465 --> 01:01:51,345

speaks to Brody's laziness.

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01:01:51,635 --> 01:01:55,035

First of all, Ellen, his wife,

she has an affair with Hooper.

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01:01:55,185 --> 01:01:59,955

When he comes into town, so yeah,

Dreyfuss's character, right?

:

01:01:59,955 --> 01:02:03,895

They have an affair and none of that

shit made it into the script, obviously.

:

01:02:04,224 --> 01:02:07,735

But there's also other crazy shit

about like, there's a mob influence

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01:02:08,255 --> 01:02:10,765

that the mob owns the town.

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01:02:11,015 --> 01:02:14,805

So when the shark is threatening,

when Brody wants to close the beaches.

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01:02:15,055 --> 01:02:17,355

It's not just the mayor saying

we depend on these dollars.

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01:02:17,565 --> 01:02:19,965

The mob starts to give pressure to Brody.

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01:02:20,215 --> 01:02:20,845

You know what I mean?

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01:02:20,845 --> 01:02:23,695

Like, Hey, yo, you know, you're

gonna sleep with the fishes,

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01:02:23,695 --> 01:02:24,475

you know, like, whatever.

:

01:02:24,685 --> 01:02:25,975

Yeah, so This is a shock.

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01:02:26,065 --> 01:02:27,674

Yeah, we knew it.

:

01:02:27,674 --> 01:02:28,925

Yeah, we know he's on the payroll.

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01:02:29,084 --> 01:02:35,695

So anyway, so, um, so Uh, so Brody's

laziness is kind of what drives,

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01:02:35,695 --> 01:02:40,455

because when Hooper comes into town,

he's young, he's rich, he's a guy that

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01:02:40,474 --> 01:02:44,095

likes to take action and get things

done, and that's what drives Ellen

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01:02:44,105 --> 01:02:50,394

to him, because her husband's a lazy,

avoid responsibility slug, right?

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01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:52,980

So, um, so anyway, so that's the book.

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01:02:53,020 --> 01:02:54,710

But anyway, there's a lot

that was cut out, obviously.

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01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:56,060

Hang on, really quick, really quick.

:

01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,030

I gotta, I gotta mix my second one.

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01:03:01,390 --> 01:03:01,820

Thank you.

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01:03:02,350 --> 01:03:02,820

Hold on, wait.

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,169

I, I, it's so sweet, I gotta cut it

with some soda water, cause I'm a wimp.

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01:03:07,790 --> 01:03:09,330

It's just sweet, I don't like sweet.

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01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,300

Because I'm out of ice, I'm

switching to beer after this.

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01:03:12,329 --> 01:03:14,580

Oh, I, I don't mix.

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01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:17,150

By the way, he always has

the thing about mixing.

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01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:19,170

I don't, I don't have

a problem with mixing.

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01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:21,220

I can mix, I can mix shit all day long.

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01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:21,629

I don't care.

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01:03:21,629 --> 01:03:22,709

Ugh.

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01:03:23,895 --> 01:03:26,196

I have Irish, Scottish, and German blood.

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01:03:26,196 --> 01:03:27,030

Alright, cool.

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01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:27,447

Yeah.

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01:03:27,447 --> 01:03:29,116

You're built for it.

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01:03:29,116 --> 01:03:31,618

Irish, Scottish, German blood, that's 1.

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01:03:31,618 --> 01:03:32,035

8%.

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01:03:32,035 --> 01:03:32,452

Yes.

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01:03:32,452 --> 01:03:34,538

Um, alright, are you ready?

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01:03:34,538 --> 01:03:37,458

One last trivia before we move on.

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01:03:37,458 --> 01:03:40,377

No, I have a couple more trivia.

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01:03:40,377 --> 01:03:45,105

So, um, there is a funny story about, uh,

when, uh, when they were shooting Jaws,

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01:03:45,505 --> 01:03:47,735

uh, the shark, uh, kept not working.

:

01:03:47,745 --> 01:03:48,035

Right?

:

01:03:48,895 --> 01:03:49,595

Try to get it to work.

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01:03:49,605 --> 01:03:50,145

It wasn't working.

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01:03:50,145 --> 01:03:50,535

There you go.

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01:03:50,565 --> 01:03:50,825

There you go.

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01:03:51,085 --> 01:03:51,915

That's a great picture.

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01:03:52,245 --> 01:03:55,255

They built several sharks, by the

way, for the many different shots.

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01:03:55,585 --> 01:03:59,504

But there's, uh, at one point, the

orca, the set of the orca was sinking.

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01:04:00,265 --> 01:04:03,885

And, uh, the sound department

guy had to hold up like the

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01:04:03,885 --> 01:04:05,795

nagra, which records the sound.

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01:04:06,005 --> 01:04:09,675

And he's holding it over his head as

he's like in the waist deep in water.

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01:04:09,965 --> 01:04:13,175

And everybody is rushing to

the set to get the actors off.

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01:04:13,755 --> 01:04:15,245

It's like, oh, oh, Mr.

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01:04:15,245 --> 01:04:16,385

Dreyfuss, oh, Mr.

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01:04:16,385 --> 01:04:17,495

Scheider, let's get Mr.

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01:04:17,495 --> 01:04:17,855

Shaw.

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01:04:18,105 --> 01:04:20,345

And the guy with the holding of

his head, he's like, fuck the

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01:04:20,345 --> 01:04:21,945

actors, save the sound department.

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01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:26,535

Because if you lose the nagra, you

lose all the shit you just recorded.

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01:04:27,095 --> 01:04:30,794

So, so that's a nice little,

uh, Spielberg anecdote there.

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01:04:30,794 --> 01:04:31,764

He told that story.

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01:04:32,214 --> 01:04:33,564

Um, let me see.

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01:04:33,805 --> 01:04:35,435

I got a couple other

ones here, real quick.

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01:04:36,455 --> 01:04:39,815

Uh, in the closing credits,

you'll see Michael Chapman's

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01:04:39,825 --> 01:04:42,115

name as a camera operator.

:

01:04:42,615 --> 01:04:46,025

Um, he was also the camera operator

in The Godfather, you see his name in

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01:04:46,025 --> 01:04:47,404

the closing credits of The Godfather.

:

01:04:47,945 --> 01:04:50,724

Um, he went on to be an Oscar

nominated cinematographer.

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01:04:50,724 --> 01:04:53,925

He did Taxi Driver, Raging Bull,

The Lost Boys, and The Fugitive.

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01:04:55,895 --> 01:04:57,815

Couple other fun little trivia tidbits.

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01:04:57,835 --> 01:05:01,455

Alex Kintner was played by an

actor named Jeffrey Voorhees.

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01:05:01,654 --> 01:05:05,114

Of course, five years later, a character

named Voorhees of Friday the 13th

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01:05:05,115 --> 01:05:09,904

fame as a child who also died in the

water, uh, in the film, bad Santa,

:

01:05:09,945 --> 01:05:13,384

the uncrackable safe that Billy Bob

Thornton's character, Willie is tasked to

:

01:05:13,384 --> 01:05:15,385

open is called the Kintner boy readout.

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01:05:15,985 --> 01:05:18,119

A little homage to Jaws.

:

01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,170

When Mayor Vaughn says, I, for one,

will not stand here and watch that

:

01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:25,380

shark cut open and see that damn Kintner

boys spill out all over the dock.

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01:05:25,660 --> 01:05:26,150

So, anyway.

:

01:05:27,130 --> 01:05:29,819

Also, filmmaker Brian Singer,

his production company is called

:

01:05:29,830 --> 01:05:31,860

Bad Hat Harry Productions.

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01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:35,000

An homage to the line in Jaws where

Brody says to the old guy on the

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01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,630

beach, that's some bad hat, Harry.

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01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:39,450

So, that's my trivia for Jaws.

:

01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:46,170

Now, before we move on, you see the

script structure and the beats, right?

:

01:05:46,820 --> 01:05:47,350

Yes.

:

01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:48,500

Okay.

:

01:05:49,505 --> 01:05:52,015

Jaws 4 does none of that shit!

:

01:05:54,015 --> 01:05:54,995

None of that shit happens!

:

01:05:56,715 --> 01:06:00,004

Before we get forward to Jaws, I'm

actually still at one trivia, which

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01:06:00,005 --> 01:06:05,234

I thought was, look at IMD, which was

interesting, was, um, Matt Jaws was

:

01:06:05,575 --> 01:06:09,545

Originally, Steven Spurrier was not

the director of Jaws at the very start.

:

01:06:09,545 --> 01:06:14,495

The first director was Dick Richards, who

was fired after meeting with the producers

:

01:06:14,705 --> 01:06:19,075

and the studio executives in the meeting

he said that his opening shot would have

:

01:06:19,075 --> 01:06:23,935

been the camera come out of the water to

show the town, then the whale, instead of

:

01:06:23,944 --> 01:06:25,944

the shark, would come out of the water.

:

01:06:26,325 --> 01:06:29,355

The producers said that they would not

make him Moby Dick, and they would not

:

01:06:29,835 --> 01:06:32,995

work with someone who did not know the

difference between a whale and a shark.

:

01:06:33,955 --> 01:06:34,585

Wow.

:

01:06:34,885 --> 01:06:37,835

Which is probably why Spielberg

was concerned, knowing someone

:

01:06:37,835 --> 01:06:39,015

else was already fired.

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01:06:39,064 --> 01:06:43,484

Now, what's funny is that, hold on to

that piece of nugget there, because

:

01:06:43,485 --> 01:06:45,005

we're going to talk about it in Jaws 4.

:

01:06:45,295 --> 01:06:53,165

With this shark POV shit, where, in

Jaws 4, the shark's POV keeps coming out

:

01:06:53,165 --> 01:06:56,975

of the water like it's looking around,

and then goes back into the water.

:

01:06:57,195 --> 01:07:00,884

Now it's really the camera, the

director's choice to show the

:

01:07:00,884 --> 01:07:02,174

audience what the shark sees.

:

01:07:02,724 --> 01:07:04,985

They do it several times in the movie!

:

01:07:05,415 --> 01:07:07,725

How many sharks pick their

head up out of the water like,

:

01:07:07,995 --> 01:07:09,035

Yeah, this looks about right.

:

01:07:09,895 --> 01:07:10,385

That's good.

:

01:07:10,455 --> 01:07:11,205

Yeah, that's where I am.

:

01:07:11,420 --> 01:07:12,730

And then puts his head back down.

:

01:07:12,910 --> 01:07:15,939

They do it several times!

:

01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:17,190

There's so much about this movie.

:

01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:21,288

All right, are we ready to crack into it?

:

01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:22,619

Yeah, let's crack into it.

:

01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:27,760

Let's crack into something terrible, which

All right, so now you know So now you

:

01:07:27,779 --> 01:07:29,610

know what it takes to write a good script.

:

01:07:30,049 --> 01:07:31,970

Now I'm going to tell you

all the things to avoid.

:

01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:34,090

Okay.

:

01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:38,560

Well, let's set the, let's set the

scene for, probably most people haven't

:

01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,150

seen this, like me, until yesterday.

:

01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,260

So, what's Jaws 4 The Revenge about?

:

01:07:45,469 --> 01:07:50,320

So, Jaws 4 The Revenge, first of

all, uh, Lee, you wanna take this?

:

01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:51,550

You got the log line there?

:

01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:52,819

Yeah, you got the log line.

:

01:07:52,829 --> 01:07:54,760

So, Jaws 4 The Revenge.

:

01:07:55,230 --> 01:07:59,200

Chief Brie's widow believes that her

family is deliberately being targeted

:

01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,500

by another shark in search of revenge.

:

01:08:02,999 --> 01:08:03,319

Yeah.

:

01:08:04,285 --> 01:08:06,125

That's, and she's right, apparently.

:

01:08:06,825 --> 01:08:10,995

So, so by the way, a lot of people

don't realize this, or maybe they do

:

01:08:10,995 --> 01:08:12,395

realize, and they just don't care.

:

01:08:12,785 --> 01:08:17,785

All Jaws films center on

this family, even Jaws 3.

:

01:08:18,334 --> 01:08:21,464

So, Jaws 1 and 2 obviously is

Chief Brody dealing with a shark.

:

01:08:21,805 --> 01:08:24,314

Jaws 3 is the kids have grown up.

:

01:08:25,175 --> 01:08:28,970

And one of them, the oldest one,

Who is just for is played by lance

:

01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:32,800

guest as a marine biologist is played

by dennis quaid in the third film

:

01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:38,390

that's michael brody he's a marine

biologist and the younger brother sean.

:

01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,279

Is the doofus in Jaws 3, who's kind of,

I think he's Leah Thompson plays his

:

01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,740

girlfriend, um Was that Leah Thompson?

:

01:08:45,740 --> 01:08:46,880

I miss, how did I miss that?

:

01:08:47,069 --> 01:08:48,089

That was Jaws 3 though.

:

01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:49,240

Oh, Jaws 3, yeah.

:

01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:49,969

Yeah, Jaws 3.

:

01:08:50,270 --> 01:08:53,959

So, uh, so Jaws 4 is

kind of a continuation.

:

01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:57,069

The, the sons are older

again, only now Sean is a cop.

:

01:08:57,210 --> 01:09:00,109

He might have been a cop in Jaws 3 and

just like on vacation, I don't remember.

:

01:09:00,380 --> 01:09:04,170

But he's a cop in Jaws 4, and the older

brother's still a marine biologist,

:

01:09:04,170 --> 01:09:05,630

only now he lives down in the Bahamas.

:

01:09:05,934 --> 01:09:09,215

He's not just a cop, but he's a cop

on the same island where his dad was.

:

01:09:09,325 --> 01:09:11,535

Yes, he's basically the new chief Brody.

:

01:09:11,805 --> 01:09:12,285

Okay.

:

01:09:12,565 --> 01:09:15,804

And the mom lives there

because she's lived there, you

:

01:09:15,805 --> 01:09:17,455

know, since they moved there.

:

01:09:18,005 --> 01:09:21,334

And, um, and yes.

:

01:09:21,495 --> 01:09:23,064

So it starts with.

:

01:09:24,015 --> 01:09:27,045

The opening image under

the water again, right?

:

01:09:28,385 --> 01:09:31,495

Um, oh, uh, again, just a real contrast.

:

01:09:31,495 --> 01:09:34,035

So we talked about the opening and

closing image in Jaws, how they're

:

01:09:34,065 --> 01:09:35,295

complete opposites of each other.

:

01:09:35,785 --> 01:09:37,765

Um, but they have meaning, right?

:

01:09:37,795 --> 01:09:39,305

One's below the water, danger.

:

01:09:39,315 --> 01:09:40,795

One's above the water, no danger.

:

01:09:40,995 --> 01:09:42,955

Here's your opening and

closing image of Jaws 4.

:

01:09:43,234 --> 01:09:46,095

Opening image is under

the water, again, danger.

:

01:09:46,225 --> 01:09:48,234

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

:

01:09:48,285 --> 01:09:50,635

The closing image is they're

all getting on a plane.

:

01:09:52,734 --> 01:09:52,955

Okay.

:

01:09:53,725 --> 01:09:56,655

Yeah, that's nothing to

do with the opening image.

:

01:09:56,655 --> 01:09:59,635

So whatever, whatever director's

choice, director's choice.

:

01:10:00,184 --> 01:10:03,315

Uh, so we intro to Sean and

Ellen establishing the family.

:

01:10:03,625 --> 01:10:08,325

Uh, they do all this shit, you know,

where they're establishing family dynamic.

:

01:10:08,615 --> 01:10:13,155

The older brother lives in the Bahamas

with his daughter and blah, blah, blah.

:

01:10:13,155 --> 01:10:15,215

Here's about the time

you'd have a theme stated.

:

01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:21,040

I can't think of any moment where there's

a theme stated to Ellen Brody, who by

:

01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,630

the way appears to be the lead, and

this will be important later when she's

:

01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:30,129

not the lead anymore, but she appears

to be the lead, and there's no theme.

:

01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,520

At one point the oldest, the

youngest son calls her a slave

:

01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,980

driver, which might set up.

:

01:10:37,645 --> 01:10:41,325

A theme, but it never, there's no follow

up to it, so that's, that can't be

:

01:10:41,325 --> 01:10:47,695

the theme, so, um, It, you know, oh, I

wrote here, that might work if the whole

:

01:10:47,695 --> 01:10:49,904

movie, she was a demanding person, right?

:

01:10:49,945 --> 01:10:52,594

Cause that might fit with that

theme and that art, but she's not

:

01:10:52,635 --> 01:10:54,845

ever demanding, so it doesn't work.

:

01:10:54,915 --> 01:10:55,235

Yeah.

:

01:10:55,785 --> 01:10:59,445

Uh, so the emotional shift of

not being so bossy, she's isn't.

:

01:10:59,865 --> 01:11:01,475

Uh, Ellen is just Ellen.

:

01:11:01,485 --> 01:11:03,035

No problems that need fixing.

:

01:11:03,055 --> 01:11:04,385

No themes stated.

:

01:11:04,395 --> 01:11:05,035

I wrote that down.

:

01:11:05,805 --> 01:11:06,874

Inciting incident.

:

01:11:06,885 --> 01:11:09,945

Sean goes to fix an issue in the water

and he's attacked and killed by the shark.

:

01:11:10,135 --> 01:11:10,614

All right.

:

01:11:10,834 --> 01:11:11,564

Inciting incident.

:

01:11:11,564 --> 01:11:15,795

A cute little boy from the first Jaws

movie that he, that, that, that Brody

:

01:11:15,805 --> 01:11:18,465

was making faces at with his little boy.

:

01:11:18,625 --> 01:11:19,105

Yes.

:

01:11:19,105 --> 01:11:19,135

Yes.

:

01:11:19,335 --> 01:11:20,455

Let's have a flashback.

:

01:11:20,675 --> 01:11:22,665

They make him get eaten by a shark.

:

01:11:22,675 --> 01:11:24,895

Yeah, like what, five minutes?

:

01:11:25,125 --> 01:11:27,245

I forget how many minutes

it was, but he was gone.

:

01:11:27,445 --> 01:11:31,895

I feel like, I feel like when

they made the movie Lake Placid,

:

01:11:32,195 --> 01:11:34,204

they stole scenes from this movie.

:

01:11:34,434 --> 01:11:37,195

Because every time somebody leans

over a boat in Lake Placid, the

:

01:11:37,254 --> 01:11:40,725

crocodile comes up and takes off

a head, or an arm, or something.

:

01:11:40,815 --> 01:11:42,355

And that's precisely what happens here.

:

01:11:42,995 --> 01:11:46,725

To think that somebody would steal

from Jaws 4, that's a stretch.

:

01:11:47,485 --> 01:11:51,255

And for anyone who's watching and

listening, At the point, if you're

:

01:11:51,265 --> 01:11:54,245

watching it and you've just seen this

scene, this is where you click off.

:

01:11:54,305 --> 01:11:55,755

This is where you should have turned off.

:

01:11:56,125 --> 01:11:58,155

Yeah, just save yourself some time.

:

01:11:58,335 --> 01:12:00,375

How terrible the special effects was.

:

01:12:01,184 --> 01:12:02,964

He's like, no, he gets delayed too.

:

01:12:02,964 --> 01:12:05,405

He's like, oh, oh.

:

01:12:05,415 --> 01:12:08,355

Yeah, I gotta say though, it was

fun watching a horrible movie.

:

01:12:08,355 --> 01:12:12,595

Before that, before that, the shark, as I

said, lifts his head above water and says,

:

01:12:13,165 --> 01:12:14,735

oh, there's the boat I want to attack.

:

01:12:14,925 --> 01:12:16,575

And then goes back under the water again.

:

01:12:16,575 --> 01:12:19,674

Like, Like a periscope!

:

01:12:19,675 --> 01:12:21,235

Like a periscope!

:

01:12:21,445 --> 01:12:23,655

This shark has a built

in periscope, by the way.

:

01:12:24,715 --> 01:12:28,075

Um, alright, so, the second act,

you would think the break in the two

:

01:12:28,075 --> 01:12:29,934

starts with her going to the Bahamas.

:

01:12:30,254 --> 01:12:32,684

But remember, the second act

is supposed to be her log line.

:

01:12:33,494 --> 01:12:37,734

And her going to the Bahamas,

she doesn't think anything that

:

01:12:37,734 --> 01:12:39,475

the shark is after them yet.

:

01:12:39,565 --> 01:12:42,184

In fact, here's the sick,

here's the stupidest part.

:

01:12:44,195 --> 01:12:45,945

Uh, the older brother

comes up for the funeral.

:

01:12:46,025 --> 01:12:48,915

Which, by the way, there's a lot of stupid

shit that happens between men in it.

:

01:12:49,275 --> 01:12:52,825

So, like, Michael's walking

on the beach with his wife.

:

01:12:53,085 --> 01:12:54,865

And he starts talking

about his brother, Sean.

:

01:12:54,925 --> 01:12:56,265

And then he just runs!

:

01:12:56,265 --> 01:12:57,671

He just kicks off!

:

01:12:57,671 --> 01:13:00,834

Like, is this supposed to

be the emotional moment?

:

01:13:00,834 --> 01:13:04,114

Is this supposed to be

She's like, where you going?

:

01:13:04,384 --> 01:13:04,974

Yeah, where you going?

:

01:13:05,264 --> 01:13:06,324

He's just sprinting.

:

01:13:06,794 --> 01:13:08,604

Like, we don't know what he's running to.

:

01:13:09,154 --> 01:13:12,645

And Ben, in the sound effect The sound

effects is his feet are hitting like

:

01:13:12,655 --> 01:13:18,655

tile floor, but he's running on a beach,

but he's just running like not running

:

01:13:18,655 --> 01:13:22,495

and crying like I can't even tell the

story about my brother just running.

:

01:13:22,764 --> 01:13:25,875

He's just running for no, well,

and the whole idea of them taking

:

01:13:25,945 --> 01:13:31,035

mom to the Bahamas after her son

was just killed by a shark, I'd be

:

01:13:31,035 --> 01:13:32,465

like, let's take mom to the desert.

:

01:13:32,715 --> 01:13:35,605

Let's get her out of the, let's

get her away from the water.

:

01:13:36,765 --> 01:13:38,145

No, let's get her on the beach.

:

01:13:38,505 --> 01:13:40,865

So, so I, yeah, well, I

actually wrote that down.

:

01:13:40,884 --> 01:13:44,754

If Act Two is supposed to be

that Chief Brody's widow believes

:

01:13:44,754 --> 01:13:48,434

her family is deliberately being

targeted by another shark, um,

:

01:13:48,485 --> 01:13:49,815

that, none of that happens there.

:

01:13:49,815 --> 01:13:53,394

In fact, when they say, why don't

you come to the Bahamas for us?

:

01:13:53,714 --> 01:13:55,184

She literally goes.

:

01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:57,080

No, I can't leave here.

:

01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:58,230

And they go, please.

:

01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:01,070

And she goes, okay, okay, sure.

:

01:14:02,559 --> 01:14:03,520

Let's go to more water.

:

01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,239

Like that's like the

director on set going on.

:

01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:08,390

And we got to speed this up here.

:

01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:09,610

Just fucking say yes.

:

01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:10,689

And let's get on with it.

:

01:14:11,230 --> 01:14:14,409

So, um, yeah, there's no pushback at all.

:

01:14:15,269 --> 01:14:19,809

Um, quite a reversal by

contrast, Jaws one's log line.

:

01:14:19,809 --> 01:14:22,600

When a killer shark terrorizes

beach community, it's up to local

:

01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,740

sheriff to hunt down the beast.

:

01:14:24,265 --> 01:14:28,605

Boom, we exit, you know, we jump into act

two when when the shark becomes a problem.

:

01:14:29,105 --> 01:14:36,155

Uh, I wrote here jaws for Yeah,

so there are moments too that are

:

01:14:36,155 --> 01:14:38,555

supposed to be dramatic that come off

as funny Here's what I wrote down.

:

01:14:38,555 --> 01:14:41,795

Michael's running on the beach when

Carla asks, where are you going?

:

01:14:42,084 --> 01:14:46,494

He has no idea um, uh What

else is that right here?

:

01:14:46,524 --> 01:14:49,564

Well, that's the thing because

it wasn't just a bad script.

:

01:14:49,624 --> 01:14:54,335

I mean you had I mean arguably

some pretty good actors that have

:

01:14:58,725 --> 01:15:03,355

So, I mean, that tells me though, uh,

the director wasn't trying to pull a

:

01:15:03,355 --> 01:15:05,443

good performance out of them either.

:

01:15:05,725 --> 01:15:09,114

We'll get to his interview

after, but is, is, uh, Ellen, so

:

01:15:09,125 --> 01:15:10,635

Ellen gets on the ferry, right?

:

01:15:10,654 --> 01:15:14,224

To go, uh, to head to the Bahamas, to go

to the airport, to head to the Bahamas

:

01:15:14,494 --> 01:15:18,184

and, and just out of control, just

start sobbing and crying hysterically

:

01:15:18,484 --> 01:15:23,594

and nobody does anything or says

anything or tries to comfort her.

:

01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:25,660

She's laughing with the granddaughter.

:

01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:29,039

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

:

01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,870

And nobody fucking says anything.

:

01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:33,230

She just sort of trails off by herself.

:

01:15:33,420 --> 01:15:34,970

And it's uncomfortable.

:

01:15:34,970 --> 01:15:36,269

It's like, What?

:

01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,939

It's It's not Lorraine

Gary's finest acting.

:

01:15:39,939 --> 01:15:40,579

That's for sure.

:

01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:41,959

And it's her last acting.

:

01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:42,670

Yep.

:

01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:43,370

That's right.

:

01:15:43,380 --> 01:15:45,580

She has not been in a movie since Jaws 4.

:

01:15:47,515 --> 01:15:50,434

So they get to the Bahamas, intro

to Hoagie, played by Michael Caine,

:

01:15:50,445 --> 01:15:52,575

who's presumably the B story, right?

:

01:15:52,635 --> 01:15:55,545

The love interest, supposed to

take some pressure off of the main

:

01:15:55,545 --> 01:15:57,285

character, so he's the B story.

:

01:15:57,555 --> 01:16:01,594

He's supposed to drive her, he

drives Ellen to her spiritual goal.

:

01:16:02,215 --> 01:16:03,334

Just kidding, Ellen doesn't

have a spiritual goal.

:

01:16:04,125 --> 01:16:09,885

But, um, so, but Hoagie is in

fact a really bad pilot, right?

:

01:16:09,885 --> 01:16:12,705

He's a pilot, but he's fucking reckless.

:

01:16:12,705 --> 01:16:14,125

Like, he does all this crazy shit.

:

01:16:14,255 --> 01:16:15,804

Here, let me grab the granddaughter.

:

01:16:15,804 --> 01:16:17,084

Here, fly the plane.

:

01:16:17,505 --> 01:16:17,775

Like, what?

:

01:16:17,775 --> 01:16:20,193

Yeah, and we gotta, eventually,

I mean, we're gonna probably talk

:

01:16:20,204 --> 01:16:23,285

about him landing on the water

where a shark attack just happened.

:

01:16:23,285 --> 01:16:25,125

Don't, don't worry,

that's gonna happen later.

:

01:16:25,395 --> 01:16:28,495

He lands on the water in a boat

not equipped to land on water.

:

01:16:28,675 --> 01:16:29,955

Like, he's fucking sully.

:

01:16:30,215 --> 01:16:30,525

Right?

:

01:16:30,525 --> 01:16:30,594

Yeah.

:

01:16:30,595 --> 01:16:30,934

Yeah.

:

01:16:30,934 --> 01:16:31,304

All right.

:

01:16:31,625 --> 01:16:33,495

So, um, but again.

:

01:16:33,515 --> 01:16:38,065

And again, him having this

recklessness, you know, could be

:

01:16:38,065 --> 01:16:40,465

part of his character arc, right?

:

01:16:41,425 --> 01:16:42,765

Just kidding, he doesn't

have a character arc.

:

01:16:42,965 --> 01:16:46,655

So, uh, so a couple other things are going

on here to make it hard to determine if

:

01:16:46,655 --> 01:16:48,204

this is act two or not, I wrote down.

:

01:16:48,474 --> 01:16:50,834

Ellen scolds the children

for playing near the water.

:

01:16:51,195 --> 01:16:55,165

She's also terrified that Michael's wife

sculpts her, which, by the way, from one

:

01:16:55,165 --> 01:17:00,695

angle looks like a shark, and from another

angle looks like a large metal vagina.

:

01:17:00,925 --> 01:17:06,405

Oh, so it's how the camera

is like, Ooh, it's a shark.

:

01:17:06,425 --> 01:17:07,695

And then they shoot it from behind.

:

01:17:07,695 --> 01:17:08,925

It's like, that's not a shark.

:

01:17:08,925 --> 01:17:09,804

That's a vagina.

:

01:17:09,925 --> 01:17:11,029

That's what I thought too.

:

01:17:11,029 --> 01:17:12,915

I was like, it's just

like, oh, it's a shark.

:

01:17:12,915 --> 01:17:15,812

I'm like, that's a weed.

:

01:17:15,812 --> 01:17:18,745

Yeah, that's like a guy

looking at it going.

:

01:17:18,755 --> 01:17:19,085

Yeah.

:

01:17:19,085 --> 01:17:19,744

I see a shark.

:

01:17:19,745 --> 01:17:22,234

100 percent shock week.

:

01:17:22,234 --> 01:17:24,724

I can see it.

:

01:17:24,725 --> 01:17:25,184

So weird.

:

01:17:25,645 --> 01:17:26,725

There's blood in the water.

:

01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,290

So, so, and then of course, there's

this moments where she wakes up

:

01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:36,040

in a cold sweat, which by the

way, anyone that's woken up in a

:

01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,390

cold sweat, this is ridiculous.

:

01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:42,150

She wakes up almost like they dumped

water on her and said, yelled action.

:

01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:47,670

Like she's completely doused more doused

than Ripley and aliens when she wakes

:

01:17:47,670 --> 01:17:51,280

up from her nightmares, which I always

thought that was bad in that movie.

:

01:17:51,475 --> 01:17:55,900

As much as I love aliens, Bri, he's

never that soaking wet like I don.

:

01:17:55,905 --> 01:17:59,625

I mean, I get the point you're trying

to make, but, which is actually funny

:

01:17:59,625 --> 01:18:03,675

'cause Michael Kane, when he got out

of the water after he landed the plane,

:

01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,565

his shirt is dry, his shirt's dry.

:

01:18:06,075 --> 01:18:09,585

And I didn't notice it until I saw

like the scene had just happened and

:

01:18:09,585 --> 01:18:12,255

I saw it and then I was looking on

IM DB and I saw the trivia and I'm

:

01:18:12,255 --> 01:18:14,295

like, oh my gosh, that's so hilarious.

:

01:18:14,505 --> 01:18:16,455

That don't, don't worry, we're

gonna get to that . There's way

:

01:18:16,455 --> 01:18:17,925

more problems than just that.

:

01:18:18,375 --> 01:18:19,995

Did you say what it said after that too?

:

01:18:19,995 --> 01:18:21,615

The reason why he was dry?

:

01:18:21,915 --> 01:18:25,175

Yeah, cause he's wait, it's

taken so long to shoot and just

:

01:18:25,175 --> 01:18:27,115

Yeah, the takes took too long.

:

01:18:27,115 --> 01:18:29,545

Yeah, he draws his clothes

just dried and stuff.

:

01:18:29,555 --> 01:18:32,734

He was off shooting another movie by

the time they said, Alright, you need

:

01:18:32,734 --> 01:18:34,115

to come back and finish this shot.

:

01:18:34,505 --> 01:18:37,874

So, alright, so now Mario

Van Peebles is introduced as

:

01:18:37,874 --> 01:18:39,884

Michael's biologist partner, Jake.

:

01:18:40,804 --> 01:18:44,985

For some reason, he's in a real

big hurry when we meet him, okay?

:

01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:50,730

That's never explained and never talked

about, but his very first scene, Michael's

:

01:18:50,730 --> 01:18:52,190

at the bottom in that little thing.

:

01:18:52,190 --> 01:18:52,690

Right there.

:

01:18:52,690 --> 01:18:55,240

They're doing like research

on the bottom of the ocean.

:

01:18:55,500 --> 01:19:00,420

And for some reason, Jake is a, come

on, man, Michael, man, let's go, man.

:

01:19:00,660 --> 01:19:01,370

Hurry up, Matt.

:

01:19:01,379 --> 01:19:02,350

Like, what the fuck?

:

01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:03,559

Why are you in such a hurry?

:

01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,540

They don't say anything about

maybe you're running out of air.

:

01:19:06,540 --> 01:19:07,580

Make an accent.

:

01:19:07,580 --> 01:19:10,420

That was, and it's like,

I mean, it was all right.

:

01:19:12,940 --> 01:19:15,370

So if you're like, you're like, okay.

:

01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:18,770

We're gonna set up that maybe there's

tension here like he's running out of air.

:

01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:19,930

That would be one thing.

:

01:19:20,110 --> 01:19:21,160

That's not happening here.

:

01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,629

It could be, uh, we have a visit coming

from the people that are paying our grant.

:

01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:29,429

Which, by the way, he says

in the Bah in the Amity, he's

:

01:19:29,429 --> 01:19:30,910

like, I can't move up here.

:

01:19:31,059 --> 01:19:32,530

We just got grant money.

:

01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:32,780

Yeah.

:

01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:34,750

And we need to continue our research.

:

01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:37,450

But when you get to Bahamas,

he's all, we're out of money.

:

01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:38,540

What are we gonna do now?

:

01:19:38,770 --> 01:19:40,990

You just fucking said

you just got a grant.

:

01:19:40,990 --> 01:19:41,249

A grant.

:

01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:42,059

But anyway.

:

01:19:42,505 --> 01:19:43,385

That doesn't matter.

:

01:19:43,385 --> 01:19:44,135

That's a plot point.

:

01:19:44,184 --> 01:19:45,005

That doesn't happen here.

:

01:19:45,335 --> 01:19:46,305

Um, alright.

:

01:19:47,025 --> 01:19:49,395

So, uh, there's no reason

why he's in a big hurry.

:

01:19:49,745 --> 01:19:54,905

And of course, we're pulled out of the

scene by how bad his Jamaican accent is.

:

01:19:55,484 --> 01:20:02,135

Um, oh, by the way, I noticed at this

point, we've already had characters

:

01:20:02,145 --> 01:20:04,745

stare off to the ocean seven times.

:

01:20:05,005 --> 01:20:08,715

That picture you have up right

now, that happens seven times

:

01:20:08,715 --> 01:20:10,449

before we even get to this point.

:

01:20:11,250 --> 01:20:11,980

They're just like,

:

01:20:16,230 --> 01:20:17,340

I'm looking at the ocean.

:

01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:19,570

There's something out there.

:

01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:26,360

By contrast, Jaws 1 does it once,

and it's when he first finds Chrissy.

:

01:20:26,919 --> 01:20:30,739

That's the only time he sterns

and stares like pensively or

:

01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:31,950

thoughtfully out to the ocean.

:

01:20:32,219 --> 01:20:32,549

That's it!

:

01:20:33,370 --> 01:20:34,570

It doesn't happen after that.

:

01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,410

The only other times that people

look at the ocean in Jaws is

:

01:20:37,410 --> 01:20:38,460

when they're hunting the shark.

:

01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:43,680

But in this film, seven times By the way,

we haven't even hit the log line yet.

:

01:20:43,889 --> 01:20:45,660

She doesn't even She's in the Bahamas now.

:

01:20:45,670 --> 01:20:47,059

She's safe, right?

:

01:20:48,710 --> 01:20:51,730

And we've got seven times where

people are staring off into the ocean.

:

01:20:51,929 --> 01:20:53,930

Alright, still in Act 1.

:

01:20:54,490 --> 01:20:56,430

Jake and Michael talk about

how they need money, right?

:

01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:57,230

I just talked about that.

:

01:20:57,559 --> 01:20:58,380

How do they need money?

:

01:20:58,380 --> 01:20:59,330

He just said they got a grant.

:

01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,850

Hoagie takes Ellen to an outdoor festival

called the Junkanoo, where people are

:

01:21:03,850 --> 01:21:07,898

singing and dancing in the streets with

costumes, and Ellen pulls a complete

:

01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:10,259

180 on her tangible and spiritual goals.

:

01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,820

Just kidding, she doesn't have

any Spiderswallow Tangibles.

:

01:21:13,930 --> 01:21:18,090

Um, one moment she tells Hoagie her

belief that the shark is after her family.

:

01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:19,540

She tells him in that scene.

:

01:21:19,710 --> 01:21:22,210

By the way, she has no proof

that the shark is even there yet.

:

01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:29,829

Um, but, then he says, one

moment, uh, they dance a little

:

01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:31,010

bit, and then she's over it.

:

01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:31,750

Like that.

:

01:21:32,590 --> 01:21:34,100

She's just literally over it.

:

01:21:34,510 --> 01:21:37,590

She learns to just let

it go within a moment.

:

01:21:38,460 --> 01:21:38,890

Right?

:

01:21:40,130 --> 01:21:41,440

Quite the character growth.

:

01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:47,240

Alright, so, 35 minutes in now, which

is late for an hour and a half movie

:

01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:50,590

to be jumping into any sense of Act 2.

:

01:21:50,770 --> 01:21:52,290

If there is a sense of Act 2.

:

01:21:52,940 --> 01:21:56,130

Uh, we reach what could only be described

as break into two, and the main character

:

01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:59,640

realizes the promise of the premise,

which is he realizes the shark is

:

01:21:59,650 --> 01:22:01,160

indeed in the Bahamas for the revenge.

:

01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:05,940

Before we get to that moment,

they literally shoot a scene.

:

01:22:06,375 --> 01:22:10,175

A shot of the shark

traveling to the Bahamas.

:

01:22:11,875 --> 01:22:13,795

Like, he might as well have luggage.

:

01:22:14,285 --> 01:22:17,805

He might as well have, you

know, his fucking carry on bag.

:

01:22:17,955 --> 01:22:20,925

He's, they show the shark

swimming like, I'm going to the

:

01:22:20,925 --> 01:22:23,304

Bahamas, I'm going to the Bahamas.

:

01:22:23,443 --> 01:22:26,515

I know where you are,

I know where you are.

:

01:22:26,515 --> 01:22:30,094

I don't know how, I just fucking know.

:

01:22:30,504 --> 01:22:31,915

You're just in the Bahamas.

:

01:22:32,105 --> 01:22:35,675

I overheard you the last time I stuck

my head above water to look around.

:

01:22:35,925 --> 01:22:37,255

I heard you say you're

going to the bottom.

:

01:22:37,315 --> 01:22:38,085

This is what I mean.

:

01:22:38,195 --> 01:22:39,175

This is what I mean though.

:

01:22:39,184 --> 01:22:41,135

Watching a horrible movie like this.

:

01:22:41,165 --> 01:22:47,725

It's actually fun if you, I mean, get some

buddies, put it on, and just laugh at it.

:

01:22:47,764 --> 01:22:48,895

Because, you know what I mean?

:

01:22:49,545 --> 01:22:52,855

So, you can have a good time

with a horrible movie like this.

:

01:22:53,044 --> 01:22:56,725

So, here's now for script,

real script structure problems.

:

01:22:57,135 --> 01:23:00,045

Ellen now, basically disappears.

:

01:23:00,485 --> 01:23:07,145

She's in like two scenes until you

get to It's now Michael's story.

:

01:23:08,245 --> 01:23:12,355

The shark attacks Michael and

Jake, and he's like, Oh my

:

01:23:12,355 --> 01:23:13,665

god, look how fake that looks.

:

01:23:13,934 --> 01:23:15,205

I know, that's what I mean.

:

01:23:16,005 --> 01:23:17,354

Look at the gums on that thing!

:

01:23:17,365 --> 01:23:18,874

You know what I'm talking about, right?

:

01:23:18,874 --> 01:23:21,404

You all met that one girl

that's got more gums than teeth?

:

01:23:21,710 --> 01:23:22,430

That's that shark.

:

01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:26,530

That's that's that girl.

:

01:23:26,540 --> 01:23:26,900

Look at her.

:

01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:27,260

Look at her.

:

01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:27,920

She's smiling.

:

01:23:28,059 --> 01:23:28,390

All right.

:

01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:30,269

So, um, I'm just kidding.

:

01:23:30,270 --> 01:23:31,380

There's guys like that too.

:

01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:32,870

I don't mean to pick on you ladies.

:

01:23:33,179 --> 01:23:35,200

There are guys that have

more gums than teeth.

:

01:23:35,259 --> 01:23:35,519

Yeah.

:

01:23:35,580 --> 01:23:36,240

Butthead.

:

01:23:36,459 --> 01:23:37,480

That's how they smile.

:

01:23:37,540 --> 01:23:38,130

Exactly.

:

01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:39,479

But, all right.

:

01:23:40,559 --> 01:23:44,559

So now, uh, again, now

it's Michael's story.

:

01:23:45,210 --> 01:23:48,640

Now he and Jake Mario Van

Peebles are trying to figure out.

:

01:23:48,980 --> 01:23:52,059

Oh man now We've have to

research the shark man now.

:

01:23:52,059 --> 01:23:55,540

We'll sell this for money now That'll

solve our money problems the money

:

01:23:55,540 --> 01:23:59,419

problems you didn't fucking have

because you just got a grant, but okay

:

01:23:59,419 --> 01:24:00,989

fine Whatever you have money problems.

:

01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:05,150

You spend it all on you know hookers

and cocaine whatever and now you

:

01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,640

have the Bahamas Right, and now

you gotta study a shark that just

:

01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,980

attacked your boat, and you're not

gonna tell mom about it, because

:

01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:14,200

that would worry her, but whatever.

:

01:24:14,210 --> 01:24:16,020

He says that too, he's

like, oh, don't tell my mom.

:

01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:20,729

Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't tell

my mom, this shark followed

:

01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:22,709

us from fucking Amity Island.

:

01:24:22,759 --> 01:24:23,949

And ate my brother.

:

01:24:24,215 --> 01:24:26,535

And ate my brother, but don't tell mom.

:

01:24:26,605 --> 01:24:27,915

Yeah, it's bad.

:

01:24:29,175 --> 01:24:31,345

Okay, so, and then there's

these two weird scenes.

:

01:24:31,375 --> 01:24:34,334

Michael's irritated that Hoagie

is hanging out with the mom.

:

01:24:34,773 --> 01:24:36,245

Like, he's almost like he's jealous.

:

01:24:36,245 --> 01:24:39,715

Like, and sort of like, and

What is that, what is that,

:

01:24:39,764 --> 01:24:42,395

uh, uh, the Oedipus, uh, thing?

:

01:24:42,404 --> 01:24:44,389

You know, syndrome where

like the Don't call your dad.

:

01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:48,190

Right, right, like, just like,

why is he taking you out?

:

01:24:48,290 --> 01:24:51,770

Like, you should be happy, your mother

is going through a traumatic moment,

:

01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,629

and now this guy who can't fly a plane

properly wants to take her dancing,

:

01:24:55,799 --> 01:24:58,570

let her take her, you know, let him

take her dancing, what the fuck?

:

01:24:58,990 --> 01:25:04,500

And then there's this weird casino scene,

and that's where Ellen, Ellen has full

:

01:25:04,729 --> 01:25:09,019

on achieved her spiritual goal of letting

go and admitting that there's no shark.

:

01:25:10,130 --> 01:25:11,290

Just kidding, she

doesn't have a spiritual.

:

01:25:11,540 --> 01:25:17,230

But, but, in that scene, she's like,

accepting, like, Yes, I was crazy this

:

01:25:17,230 --> 01:25:19,059

whole time, there's no shark following us.

:

01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,970

Even though it is there, Michael

knows, but he's not telling her.

:

01:25:23,130 --> 01:25:24,580

Right, the son knows,

but he's not telling her.

:

01:25:25,898 --> 01:25:26,839

Uh, okay.

:

01:25:27,065 --> 01:25:30,265

There's no false victory or false defeat

at the midpoint scene, they just sort of

:

01:25:30,265 --> 01:25:32,365

changed their plans to study the shark.

:

01:25:32,365 --> 01:25:35,604

Now it's Michael's story

and not, uh, uh, Ellen's.

:

01:25:36,165 --> 01:25:40,195

Um, so the second half of the film

now, actually, I wrote this down.

:

01:25:40,614 --> 01:25:44,335

Anyways, we're now in the second

half of the film, I guess, and

:

01:25:44,335 --> 01:25:46,335

it's day one of shark studying.

:

01:25:46,835 --> 01:25:48,764

They stick with the

sonar equipment, right?

:

01:25:48,764 --> 01:25:50,885

They stick the shark with the

sonar equipment, which is important

:

01:25:50,895 --> 01:25:57,334

because I'll give it this one prop

to Jaws 4, and this is a stretch.

:

01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,020

I'm even giving this as a prop.

:

01:25:59,820 --> 01:26:02,640

But John Williams, in the first

movie, you always knew the

:

01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,020

shark was near because of the

:

01:26:08,590 --> 01:26:08,890

right.

:

01:26:09,010 --> 01:26:11,890

This didn't wanna copy

that for obvious reasons.

:

01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:13,690

They wanted to try to be original and new.

:

01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,900

So by sticking the shark with

a sonar, you hear the shark's

:

01:26:16,905 --> 01:26:18,370

heartbeat whenever it's close.

:

01:26:18,490 --> 01:26:21,940

Mm-Hmm, . So that is one attribute

that they're like when there's, when

:

01:26:21,940 --> 01:26:23,200

the thing, the monitor starts going.

:

01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,580

Like oh shit, it's like the

motion trackers in aliens, right?

:

01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:30,630

Like oh shit Yeah, it's coming.

:

01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:34,050

It's coming like and it was

really effective in aliens.

:

01:26:34,309 --> 01:26:39,570

Yes an alien actually There's a motion

tracker alien alien and aliens, but

:

01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:45,430

so that's the one thing That's what

gives this movie, uh, an F, uh, plus

:

01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:50,340

instead of an F minus, is that they do

have this one thing with the heartbeat

:

01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:51,780

that tells when the shark is coming.

:

01:26:52,398 --> 01:26:53,910

Um, as shitty as that is.

:

01:26:54,369 --> 01:26:58,340

So, okay, so, sonar equipment, this

is meant to be the superior, uh,

:

01:26:58,379 --> 01:26:59,779

position for us as an audience.

:

01:26:59,780 --> 01:27:01,059

We know when the shark is coming.

:

01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:05,220

Uh, day two of shark studying,

we have our first jump scare.

:

01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:09,630

Keep in mind, this is a shark horror film.

:

01:27:10,675 --> 01:27:16,215

And our first jump scare is one

hour and six minutes in, and it's

:

01:27:16,645 --> 01:27:20,255

not even the shark, it's an eel

that swims towards the camera.

:

01:27:20,925 --> 01:27:22,495

They're trying to wake you up.

:

01:27:23,025 --> 01:27:24,045

Yeah, exactly.

:

01:27:24,224 --> 01:27:26,874

They figured at this point

you're asleep an hour in, so

:

01:27:26,874 --> 01:27:28,184

let's give them a jump scare.

:

01:27:28,614 --> 01:27:29,389

I'm still watching the movie.

:

01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:33,660

Uh, Michael presumably is the

new protagonist now that mom

:

01:27:33,660 --> 01:27:35,309

has answered her climactic goal.

:

01:27:35,309 --> 01:27:36,710

I wrote, just kidding,

she doesn't have one.

:

01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,720

Uh, is now having, um, now

Michael is having the nightmares.

:

01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:41,920

You see the switch now?

:

01:27:42,068 --> 01:27:44,169

Now Michael's having the

nightmares, not Ellen.

:

01:27:44,180 --> 01:27:46,640

He's waking up in the cold

sweat being doused with water.

:

01:27:47,689 --> 01:27:49,190

Uh, okay, all is lost.

:

01:27:50,765 --> 01:27:55,095

Ellen is at Carla's presentation, uh, when

she sees the shark for the first time.

:

01:27:55,345 --> 01:27:58,535

Keep in mind, you read the logline, right?

:

01:27:59,505 --> 01:28:03,214

The all is lost near the end of

the film is the first time Ellen

:

01:28:03,215 --> 01:28:05,984

has seen the shark in the Bahamas.

:

01:28:07,284 --> 01:28:07,384

Right.

:

01:28:08,005 --> 01:28:08,434

Okay.

:

01:28:09,414 --> 01:28:13,775

Uh, he eats the swimmer, he scares

Thea, uh, oh, oh, this is great.

:

01:28:13,825 --> 01:28:18,985

The shark literally stands

straight up out of the water, so

:

01:28:18,985 --> 01:28:21,635

everyone can see him eat this dude.

:

01:28:22,604 --> 01:28:22,964

Right?

:

01:28:23,605 --> 01:28:24,275

Or is it a chick?

:

01:28:24,325 --> 01:28:24,795

I can't remember.

:

01:28:24,805 --> 01:28:25,704

I think it's a girl swimmer.

:

01:28:26,434 --> 01:28:27,395

Whatever, it's a victim.

:

01:28:27,605 --> 01:28:30,945

The shark literally stands up

out of the water while it eats

:

01:28:30,984 --> 01:28:32,085

Yeah, we kind of like that.

:

01:28:32,385 --> 01:28:33,955

While it eats a person.

:

01:28:34,495 --> 01:28:37,575

So my wife was in the other room,

she didn't want to watch this, and I

:

01:28:37,925 --> 01:28:42,805

She, she must've been cracking up at

me because I'm laughing my ass off in

:

01:28:42,805 --> 01:28:47,064

the living room when all this is going

down and I'm like, Oh my God, this

:

01:28:47,064 --> 01:28:49,225

is, you know, I'm yelling at the TV.

:

01:28:49,455 --> 01:28:52,984

So this is the fun you can have with

some bros, just get them together,

:

01:28:52,984 --> 01:28:55,244

put this on and get ready, you know.

:

01:28:55,465 --> 01:28:57,215

Do a shot every time you laugh.

:

01:28:58,855 --> 01:28:59,365

That would be good.

:

01:28:59,365 --> 01:29:01,205

Yeah, you could do a drinking

game with this easily.

:

01:29:01,205 --> 01:29:02,015

Yeah, drinking game.

:

01:29:02,015 --> 01:29:03,045

Do a shot every time you laugh.

:

01:29:03,095 --> 01:29:05,724

Okay, so, so now we have

the Dark Knight of the Soul.

:

01:29:05,744 --> 01:29:06,984

She's now at the Alla's Lodge.

:

01:29:06,994 --> 01:29:09,184

She sees the shark has followed

her there and it's a terror.

:

01:29:09,355 --> 01:29:09,385

Blah.

:

01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:14,059

All, uh, Dark Knight of the Soul, she has

to contemplate what she's gonna do next.

:

01:29:14,059 --> 01:29:14,610

What does she do?

:

01:29:14,610 --> 01:29:16,480

She takes a boat and takes it out to sea.

:

01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:17,600

Why?

:

01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:19,730

We don't know.

:

01:29:20,490 --> 01:29:21,300

She doesn't have a gun.

:

01:29:21,550 --> 01:29:22,590

She doesn't have a bazooka.

:

01:29:22,930 --> 01:29:25,180

She doesn't have a hook to fish the shark.

:

01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:25,859

Nothing.

:

01:29:25,870 --> 01:29:27,420

She's just gonna take a sailboat.

:

01:29:27,420 --> 01:29:28,469

Hijack the boat.

:

01:29:28,909 --> 01:29:30,120

But she's gonna bart.

:

01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:31,890

And that's all you need.

:

01:29:32,420 --> 01:29:33,820

Yes, yes, yes.

:

01:29:34,450 --> 01:29:43,565

So, so, it's almost like, um, we are, We

are left to think that maybe her goal,

:

01:29:45,045 --> 01:29:50,804

if she had one, was maybe if I let this

shark eat me, it'll save my family, right,

:

01:29:50,805 --> 01:29:55,154

it won't bother my family anymore, what

it wants is me, it's here for revenge,

:

01:29:55,465 --> 01:30:00,805

promise of the premise, it's here for

revenge, and if I let it eat me, uh, that

:

01:30:00,814 --> 01:30:05,515

came out dirty, that's Michael Keen's job,

um, then maybe the movie will be over.

:

01:30:06,110 --> 01:30:10,120

Okay, well, there's other, there's

other weird things that are happening.

:

01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,410

So Thea's in shock, but

she's resting at home.

:

01:30:12,590 --> 01:30:16,220

Contrast to when Michael was

in shock in the first movie.

:

01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,039

Hang on, let me fix my headphones here.

:

01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,910

When Michael's in shock in the

first movie, he goes to the hospital

:

01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:23,050

and he spends the night there.

:

01:30:23,559 --> 01:30:26,470

But now his daughter is in

shock and it's, oh, just.

:

01:30:26,765 --> 01:30:28,265

Cuddle her up in front of the TV.

:

01:30:28,265 --> 01:30:29,225

We'll put on Moana.

:

01:30:29,535 --> 01:30:30,395

Everything will be fine.

:

01:30:31,315 --> 01:30:32,275

Um, yeah.

:

01:30:32,305 --> 01:30:35,965

So, uh, good time to mention.

:

01:30:35,965 --> 01:30:36,273

Okay.

:

01:30:36,273 --> 01:30:36,825

So I put it here.

:

01:30:36,825 --> 01:30:38,254

Good time to mention the POV shots.

:

01:30:38,273 --> 01:30:41,795

Cause here the shark again, keeps

lifting its head out of the water.

:

01:30:42,023 --> 01:30:43,355

Like, Oh, there's Ellen.

:

01:30:43,645 --> 01:30:44,495

She took a boat.

:

01:30:44,523 --> 01:30:46,094

Well, I'll get right on that.

:

01:30:46,135 --> 01:30:46,505

Right.

:

01:30:46,635 --> 01:30:48,415

So I'm going to go after that boat now.

:

01:30:49,135 --> 01:30:52,505

Uh, These last, are we

in the last scenes yet?

:

01:30:52,845 --> 01:30:53,975

Cause there's so many things.

:

01:30:54,135 --> 01:30:55,145

I mean, All right.

:

01:30:55,155 --> 01:30:56,285

So break into three.

:

01:30:56,675 --> 01:30:58,155

Five point finale.

:

01:30:58,245 --> 01:30:58,955

Are you ready?

:

01:30:59,465 --> 01:30:59,775

Yes.

:

01:30:59,775 --> 01:31:03,195

This is the end of the film, and it's

gonna follow these five points, I hope.

:

01:31:04,045 --> 01:31:06,184

Okay, one, gathering the team.

:

01:31:06,215 --> 01:31:07,575

Yes, it does this.

:

01:31:07,735 --> 01:31:12,695

Michael gets Jake and Hoagie

to, uh, to go get mom, right?

:

01:31:12,695 --> 01:31:13,775

They're gonna go get in a plane.

:

01:31:13,955 --> 01:31:15,604

Crash land on the water.

:

01:31:15,634 --> 01:31:17,099

Wait, we're not there yet.

:

01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:17,730

We're not there.

:

01:31:17,730 --> 01:31:18,730

We haven't done Sully yet.

:

01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:21,150

Right now, we're just

gathering the team, right?

:

01:31:21,150 --> 01:31:22,800

We're just getting the guys together.

:

01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,800

Two, execution of the plan.

:

01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:27,940

If the plan is to find Ellen,

then yes, they do that.

:

01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:29,199

They land a plane on the water.

:

01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:30,700

It's not designed to land on water.

:

01:31:31,150 --> 01:31:33,170

And before they, uh,

I actually wrote this.

:

01:31:33,170 --> 01:31:37,469

Before they get all Sully,

Hoagy does this intentionally.

:

01:31:38,599 --> 01:31:41,190

He literally says, I'm gonna

land this on the water.

:

01:31:41,585 --> 01:31:43,055

You know, it's, whatever.

:

01:31:44,305 --> 01:31:45,705

Three, Hightower Surprise.

:

01:31:46,385 --> 01:31:49,865

The shark eats Hoagie's

boat and presumably Hoagie.

:

01:31:51,115 --> 01:31:55,954

Uh, certainly Jake as he is seen

in the shark's ma Oh, so Mario

:

01:31:56,485 --> 01:31:59,784

Van Peebles Okay, this is possibly

the worst part of the movie.

:

01:32:00,204 --> 01:32:01,925

Mario Van Peebles, right?

:

01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:05,220

Literally gets eaten by the shark.

:

01:32:05,690 --> 01:32:07,530

The shark has him in his mouth.

:

01:32:07,770 --> 01:32:09,510

Is crunching him.

:

01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,059

There's blood spraying out.

:

01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:14,648

He's dead, right?

:

01:32:14,650 --> 01:32:15,859

Yeah.

:

01:32:15,859 --> 01:32:16,219

Right?

:

01:32:16,430 --> 01:32:18,140

You would, you would, yeah.

:

01:32:18,250 --> 01:32:18,898

You would think.

:

01:32:18,898 --> 01:32:21,499

The fact that he came back,

I was laughing my ass off.

:

01:32:21,730 --> 01:32:22,789

I'm like, come on.

:

01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:24,419

Four.

:

01:32:24,419 --> 01:32:24,759

Four.

:

01:32:25,109 --> 01:32:26,039

Dig down deep.

:

01:32:26,109 --> 01:32:28,170

After Hokey emerges from the water.

:

01:32:28,170 --> 01:32:28,830

I wrote this down.

:

01:32:28,830 --> 01:32:29,669

Shirt completely.

:

01:32:29,780 --> 01:32:30,690

Right, I might add.

:

01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,830

Michael decides he will SHOCK

the shark into submission.

:

01:32:35,170 --> 01:32:40,009

Because of the thing that Jake put

into his throat right before he died.

:

01:32:41,150 --> 01:32:44,290

By the way, he's back to being

the lead again because Ellen is

:

01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:46,129

just ballast now on the ship.

:

01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:47,169

She's just on the ship.

:

01:32:47,180 --> 01:32:48,249

She's not doing anything.

:

01:32:48,499 --> 01:32:50,309

Michael's now back to being the lead.

:

01:32:50,605 --> 01:32:52,235

And he's going to shark the shark!

:

01:32:52,455 --> 01:32:54,934

He's going to shark, my god.

:

01:32:54,934 --> 01:32:56,050

Shark the shark.

:

01:32:56,050 --> 01:32:58,284

He's going to shark the shark.

:

01:32:58,285 --> 01:33:01,365

This sharkarita is hitting

me a little too hard.

:

01:33:01,794 --> 01:33:05,654

So, execution of the new If anyone is

listening, these sharkaritas look so good.

:

01:33:06,034 --> 01:33:07,174

Yeah, they do, don't they?

:

01:33:07,425 --> 01:33:09,365

Well, mine mostly tastes like lemonade.

:

01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:12,684

But, I'm afraid to see what

my poop's gonna look like.

:

01:33:12,684 --> 01:33:13,590

Mine tastes like tequila!

:

01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:14,360

It'll probably be blue.

:

01:33:14,900 --> 01:33:17,670

Alright, so, Execution of the new plan.

:

01:33:17,670 --> 01:33:23,249

The shark appears to roar like a

lion every time Michael shocks it.

:

01:33:23,540 --> 01:33:25,480

It sticks its head out of

the water going, ROOOOOAR!

:

01:33:28,049 --> 01:33:31,350

Which, that roar You got

some trivia on that, Lee?

:

01:33:31,605 --> 01:33:35,755

Yep, that roar is actually,

they didn't re record or use

:

01:33:35,755 --> 01:33:36,965

anything from the original film.

:

01:33:37,175 --> 01:33:39,515

It's actually from a

Tom and Jerry's episode.

:

01:33:41,285 --> 01:33:44,035

How lazy they were to do it.

:

01:33:46,215 --> 01:33:46,984

That's hilarious.

:

01:33:47,005 --> 01:33:49,735

Okay, so, so, here's,

here's an important part.

:

01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:55,170

Uh, uh, uh, part five of the

execu uh, of the five point

:

01:33:55,170 --> 01:33:56,650

finale, execution of the new plan.

:

01:33:57,030 --> 01:34:00,450

Now, while the shark is shark

is roaring, Ellen now becomes

:

01:34:00,459 --> 01:34:01,500

the main character again.

:

01:34:02,020 --> 01:34:06,609

Because she is now like, I'm going

to steer this boat into the shark.

:

01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:10,549

Somehow she knows it's gonna

stand up out of the water again.

:

01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:12,930

So she can spear it with

the front of the boat?

:

01:34:12,980 --> 01:34:13,469

I don't know.

:

01:34:14,090 --> 01:34:14,460

But anyway.

:

01:34:15,330 --> 01:34:15,780

Perfect spot.

:

01:34:17,850 --> 01:34:21,499

So, in the climax, Michael

shocks the shark and stands

:

01:34:21,500 --> 01:34:23,360

up clear out of the water.

:

01:34:24,180 --> 01:34:28,769

And just so, the broken, uh, the

broken bow spirit, which was broken

:

01:34:28,770 --> 01:34:30,320

when Jake was eaten, impales him.

:

01:34:30,420 --> 01:34:30,719

Right?

:

01:34:30,740 --> 01:34:34,500

She stabs the shark with the boat.

:

01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:37,370

And then it appears to explode?

:

01:34:37,655 --> 01:34:39,975

Yeah, I don't know why it exploded.

:

01:34:40,075 --> 01:34:44,934

Like, shouldn't it just be, you

know, shivved and like, just dead?

:

01:34:45,815 --> 01:34:46,584

It just blows up.

:

01:34:46,585 --> 01:34:51,065

It just blows up for no reason at all.

:

01:34:51,664 --> 01:34:54,305

Um, so here's the funny part

too, like, leading up to that.

:

01:34:55,125 --> 01:34:59,925

The smile you son of a bitch

flashback comes back to Ellen as

:

01:34:59,925 --> 01:35:01,264

she's about to impale the shark.

:

01:35:01,495 --> 01:35:03,395

But wait, it gets, it gets better.

:

01:35:03,914 --> 01:35:04,415

It gets better.

:

01:35:04,494 --> 01:35:06,264

It wasn't her flashback.

:

01:35:06,295 --> 01:35:07,344

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

:

01:35:07,355 --> 01:35:08,395

It's better than that.

:

01:35:09,814 --> 01:35:13,464

There is a, uh, an

original ending on YouTube.

:

01:35:13,555 --> 01:35:14,375

You can find it.

:

01:35:14,594 --> 01:35:19,815

And in that moment, she has flashbacks

of scenes that she's in, in Jaws 1, where

:

01:35:19,815 --> 01:35:22,514

she is running to little Sean's aid.

:

01:35:22,780 --> 01:35:23,020

Yeah.

:

01:35:23,059 --> 01:35:26,450

And then there's a flashback of her

in Jaws 2 where she's holding the one

:

01:35:26,450 --> 01:35:28,700

swimmer that got attacked, nurturing her.

:

01:35:28,980 --> 01:35:29,330

Okay.

:

01:35:29,370 --> 01:35:30,730

They replaced those.

:

01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:35,478

They replaced them with

flashbacks of scenes she's not in!

:

01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:37,059

Yeah.

:

01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:41,009

She has a flashback of her oldest

son Sean being eaten by the sharks.

:

01:35:41,020 --> 01:35:41,900

She's not there!

:

01:35:42,450 --> 01:35:45,360

She doesn't know how that happened,

and then there's another flashback

:

01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:46,639

of Smile, you son of a bitch.

:

01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:48,511

She wasn't there!

:

01:35:48,511 --> 01:35:49,758

We were.

:

01:35:49,758 --> 01:35:54,350

How did she flashback to a

scene she's not fuckin in?

:

01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:55,389

Yes.

:

01:35:55,389 --> 01:35:56,100

Magic.

:

01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,228

And then, magic!

:

01:35:58,228 --> 01:35:59,580

Movie magic!

:

01:35:59,809 --> 01:36:04,559

And then she impales the shark,

and it blows up, and then if you

:

01:36:04,559 --> 01:36:08,925

want to talk laziness The shot,

my headphones keep sliding, I'm

:

01:36:08,925 --> 01:36:11,050

getting so, I'm getting so animated.

:

01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,120

Are you gonna talk about the painted

sky and the fact that they're in a pool?

:

01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,570

No, no, no, no, no, no, whoa, wait,

no, this is way worse than that.

:

01:36:18,259 --> 01:36:22,309

The shot they use of the shark's

blown off head sinking to the bottom

:

01:36:22,309 --> 01:36:24,749

of the ocean is the shot from Jaws 1.

:

01:36:25,195 --> 01:36:26,045

It's the same shot.

:

01:36:26,255 --> 01:36:27,795

It's the same shot.

:

01:36:28,405 --> 01:36:30,195

They just stole it.

:

01:36:31,945 --> 01:36:33,835

And before you say, well,

how can they do that?

:

01:36:33,835 --> 01:36:37,655

Well, because the production company

owns the rights to Jaws 1, not Spielberg.

:

01:36:38,045 --> 01:36:41,065

So they're allowed to do whatever the

fuck they want, and they literally

:

01:36:41,065 --> 01:36:46,235

took the shot from Jaws 1 and implanted

it here, as the shark is drifting to

:

01:36:46,235 --> 01:36:47,895

the bottom of the odor, minus head.

:

01:36:48,085 --> 01:36:50,545

Now, that might have been, that's

why the shark blew up, by the

:

01:36:50,545 --> 01:36:52,395

way, because they're like, how are

we going to make that shot work?

:

01:36:52,755 --> 01:36:56,965

Because the shark From Jaws 1, had

a head, has, has, his head exploded.

:

01:36:57,684 --> 01:37:03,405

And they're like, Well, when you impale

a shark with the front of the boat, It's

:

01:37:03,585 --> 01:37:06,264

common knowledge that their heads explode.

:

01:37:08,353 --> 01:37:09,514

So let's just do that.

:

01:37:10,684 --> 01:37:11,044

Right.

:

01:37:11,075 --> 01:37:11,475

Right?

:

01:37:11,784 --> 01:37:12,124

All right.

:

01:37:12,764 --> 01:37:13,835

So, resolution.

:

01:37:14,495 --> 01:37:16,094

Jake survived!

:

01:37:16,425 --> 01:37:18,645

Mario Van Peebles comes out of the water.

:

01:37:18,645 --> 01:37:20,425

No shark bites.

:

01:37:20,425 --> 01:37:21,304

At all.

:

01:37:21,305 --> 01:37:21,545

Fun.

:

01:37:22,075 --> 01:37:28,155

He's fine, just he's all, help me man, I'm

sinking man, I can't swim man, whatever.

:

01:37:28,535 --> 01:37:29,605

And they save him.

:

01:37:29,905 --> 01:37:33,014

I even wrote, Jake survived

how, who the fuck knows.

:

01:37:33,045 --> 01:37:34,094

I wrote that down as a note.

:

01:37:34,655 --> 01:37:37,205

Um, and he has no wounds on his chest.

:

01:37:37,785 --> 01:37:42,124

Uh, uh, there's some playful banter,

and then Ellen goes back to Amity.

:

01:37:42,164 --> 01:37:44,164

She said that's how it ends,

is she's getting on the plane.

:

01:37:46,660 --> 01:37:48,700

So, character arc.

:

01:37:50,290 --> 01:37:51,849

What character arc?

:

01:37:52,430 --> 01:37:53,380

Plot structure.

:

01:37:54,770 --> 01:37:56,950

Script structure.

:

01:37:56,980 --> 01:37:58,210

Emotional shifts.

:

01:37:59,990 --> 01:38:01,719

Tangible and spiritual goals.

:

01:38:03,309 --> 01:38:06,709

But as a drinking game, from laughing,

every time you take a shot, every

:

01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:08,529

time you laugh, I give it five stars.

:

01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:15,100

So, writers You aspiring writers, if you

really want to know what makes a script

:

01:38:15,230 --> 01:38:22,609

good, and what makes a script bad Just

watch these two movies, just back to back.

:

01:38:22,690 --> 01:38:24,840

But yes, make Jaws 4 into a drinking game.

:

01:38:24,910 --> 01:38:26,480

Alright, so I have some

trivia on this too.

:

01:38:26,930 --> 01:38:30,480

Alright, uh, okay, so I actually mentioned

one of them and that was the flashbacks.

:

01:38:31,150 --> 01:38:34,080

Hold on, before you get to trivia,

you didn't even mention I said

:

01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,800

something about the painted sky.

:

01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,430

That was so obvious to me.

:

01:38:38,610 --> 01:38:40,950

And that, one of those

final scenes, they're in the

:

01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:43,860

water, and they show the sky.

:

01:38:44,500 --> 01:38:47,885

And it was like Cause they had just

shown a sky that looked like a real

:

01:38:47,895 --> 01:38:51,915

sky, then they show this painting,

hanging up in the sky, and you can tell

:

01:38:51,915 --> 01:38:53,555

the water looks like it's in a pool.

:

01:38:54,175 --> 01:38:55,174

I was like, oh my gosh.

:

01:38:56,305 --> 01:38:57,894

I mean, but why not?

:

01:38:57,904 --> 01:38:59,105

We've gotten to this point, right?

:

01:38:59,105 --> 01:39:00,014

I know, I know.

:

01:39:00,014 --> 01:39:03,594

We've made it this far, like,

yeah, we need to release this.

:

01:39:04,264 --> 01:39:09,045

Yeah, um, by far, before I get to any

more trivia, by far my favorite shot

:

01:39:09,045 --> 01:39:10,795

is the shark traveling to the Bahamas.

:

01:39:10,865 --> 01:39:16,335

They actually have a shot of the

shark just, I'm going to the Bahamas!

:

01:39:17,585 --> 01:39:19,665

Going down the, going down the east coast.

:

01:39:19,925 --> 01:39:22,725

It would have been so much better

if he had luggage with him.

:

01:39:22,794 --> 01:39:24,684

Like, just like strapped to his back.

:

01:39:25,485 --> 01:39:26,014

You know?

:

01:39:26,215 --> 01:39:27,035

Like, that would have been great.

:

01:39:27,215 --> 01:39:27,934

On his back, ready to go.

:

01:39:28,665 --> 01:39:34,014

So, Director Joseph Sargent, I said in

an interview at the time, of course,

:

01:39:34,485 --> 01:39:39,505

uh, he said this, everyone knew it was a

ridiculous premise, but because they had

:

01:39:39,514 --> 01:39:45,094

just come off of Jaws 3D, and the studio

was dying for something, right, they had

:

01:39:45,094 --> 01:39:50,184

nothing in the tank, no pun intended,

they had nothing to like put out there, so

:

01:39:50,184 --> 01:39:54,875

they're like, well, let's reboot Jaws, so

they go to this guy, this Joseph Sargent,

:

01:39:54,875 --> 01:39:57,145

and they're like, alright, we need to come

up with something, we have to make another

:

01:39:57,145 --> 01:40:02,255

Jaws movie, but we want it to be different

and fresh and new, so they came up with

:

01:40:02,264 --> 01:40:08,480

the idea, and That the shark follows the

mom from Amity Island down to the Bahamas.

:

01:40:08,590 --> 01:40:09,780

And you know what the director says?

:

01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:15,790

Okay, like, like he

knows it's a shit idea.

:

01:40:15,809 --> 01:40:19,880

He knows it's ridiculous, but he's

like, but we weren't going with that.

:

01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:25,440

We were going with something mystical

and fantasy and something that's

:

01:40:25,469 --> 01:40:27,290

different from the other films.

:

01:40:27,670 --> 01:40:29,568

So that's why we did that.

:

01:40:30,835 --> 01:40:35,305

Yeah, um, Lorraine Gary also admitted

she only did it for the money.

:

01:40:35,535 --> 01:40:38,465

Michael Caine, of course, the famous line

where he, you know, I'd never seen the

:

01:40:38,465 --> 01:40:39,805

film, but I saw the house that it built.

:

01:40:40,325 --> 01:40:45,135

Um, so this really needs to

be a lesson to, to writers.

:

01:40:45,684 --> 01:40:50,179

Um, man, what, uh, look no

further than these two films.

:

01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:51,030

Really.

:

01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:52,978

Sarfar.

:

01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,469

Sarfar on the spectrum of each other.

:

01:40:56,469 --> 01:40:59,050

Yeah, there's, uh, exactly.

:

01:40:59,090 --> 01:41:00,450

Like, they're not even close.

:

01:41:00,648 --> 01:41:03,950

Like, some people are like, I like

Empire Strikes Back more than Star Wars.

:

01:41:04,139 --> 01:41:07,410

I like Godfather Part 2

more than Godfather Part 1.

:

01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:09,249

I like Aliens more than Alien.

:

01:41:10,029 --> 01:41:15,160

There's literally nobody that says I

like Jaws the Revenge better than Jaws.

:

01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,570

If they are, they're insane.

:

01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:22,600

I was gonna say it's Lorraine Gary or

Joseph Sargent, the director and the

:

01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:24,120

actress that played the lead role.

:

01:41:24,750 --> 01:41:25,699

Wait a minute, she's not the lead.

:

01:41:25,699 --> 01:41:26,648

I forgot Michael's the lead.

:

01:41:26,909 --> 01:41:28,969

I can't, I can't even

remember who the lead is.

:

01:41:28,969 --> 01:41:29,990

It was the shark.

:

01:41:30,570 --> 01:41:30,870

Right.

:

01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:34,999

Now see, if you could, you could probably

come up with a three act structure

:

01:41:35,009 --> 01:41:36,780

based on the shark's point of view.

:

01:41:37,050 --> 01:41:38,590

And he's the lead.

:

01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:42,059

And these asshole humans,

they're the antagonist.

:

01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:43,829

We should go with that.

:

01:41:44,260 --> 01:41:48,670

They killed my dad, they killed my

brother, and now I'm getting my revenge.

:

01:41:48,940 --> 01:41:50,400

Dude, I mean, really?

:

01:41:50,460 --> 01:41:52,070

This is so bad.

:

01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,360

And I've seen bad movies before.

:

01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:56,880

I always tell people

Have you seen The Room?

:

01:41:57,990 --> 01:42:00,809

But The Room is classically bad.

:

01:42:00,989 --> 01:42:03,339

Like, it's bad for a fun way, right?

:

01:42:03,339 --> 01:42:06,719

Like, it's fun for Like, when they

show that in the theaters, every

:

01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:11,340

time they show spoons, the audience

members throw spoons at the screen.

:

01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:13,120

Uh, my brother doesn't know this.

:

01:42:13,179 --> 01:42:16,145

You have to look up The room,

Chris, you have to look up the room.

:

01:42:16,225 --> 01:42:18,125

It's so classically bad.

:

01:42:18,145 --> 01:42:18,495

Yeah.

:

01:42:18,495 --> 01:42:18,785

Yeah.

:

01:42:18,785 --> 01:42:19,215

I remember.

:

01:42:19,415 --> 01:42:20,335

It's become a novelty.

:

01:42:20,335 --> 01:42:21,005

It's become a novelty.

:

01:42:21,005 --> 01:42:22,075

I remember that was a thing.

:

01:42:22,075 --> 01:42:22,734

I didn't see it.

:

01:42:22,745 --> 01:42:23,184

You're right.

:

01:42:23,795 --> 01:42:24,014

Yeah.

:

01:42:24,014 --> 01:42:30,214

It's just tearing me apart, Lisa, or

the fact that they, you, they have three

:

01:42:30,214 --> 01:42:34,764

different sex scenes, but still the same

sex scene with three different people.

:

01:42:34,915 --> 01:42:36,745

And he has sex with her

belly button each time.

:

01:42:36,755 --> 01:42:37,475

Oh, no.

:

01:42:37,545 --> 01:42:38,014

Yes.

:

01:42:38,375 --> 01:42:41,264

At no point is he actually

anywhere near her vagina.

:

01:42:41,635 --> 01:42:41,815

No.

:

01:42:41,945 --> 01:42:46,995

And also one of the main characters gets,

uh, gets recast halfway through the film.

:

01:42:47,735 --> 01:42:48,254

Which is great.

:

01:42:48,254 --> 01:42:49,055

No one says anything.

:

01:42:50,755 --> 01:42:53,745

Uh, I can't tell you how many times

I've had people tell me, Oh, hi, Mark.

:

01:42:53,794 --> 01:42:55,254

Just for no reason, like for fun.

:

01:42:55,655 --> 01:42:56,054

Well, par more.

:

01:42:56,054 --> 01:42:56,125

He doesn't.

:

01:42:56,809 --> 01:42:57,389

Oh, hi, Mike.

:

01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,850

Um, alright, so, generally, uh,

before we get into Six Degrees, Lee,

:

01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:05,160

do you have any feedback on Jaws vs.

:

01:43:05,460 --> 01:43:06,180

Jaws 4?

:

01:43:06,230 --> 01:43:08,139

Thanks for giving him

the mic back, Jerome.

:

01:43:08,969 --> 01:43:13,439

Yeah, so, so I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

I have to stay, generally, on these

:

01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:17,360

shows, I just go off, and I don't

give anyone a chance to breathe.

:

01:43:17,790 --> 01:43:20,670

No, that's perfectly fine, I'd

rather you do that, cause it,

:

01:43:20,670 --> 01:43:21,910

you know, it just keeps it going.

:

01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:27,920

I just, I know, I heard this film was

bad, I just didn't realize how bad it

:

01:43:27,930 --> 01:43:35,020

was, and it's like, this is a giant

pile of shit, and The Jaws is such

:

01:43:35,020 --> 01:43:40,090

a, is always a textbook film, it's

fantastic, it's, besides the CGI.

:

01:43:40,710 --> 01:43:45,430

Still stands up today, but number

four like, you know, like this is a

:

01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:50,369

franchise killer This is what I've

never done another one ever and you

:

01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:54,689

know, what's funny you mentioned the

special effects So I was recently

:

01:43:54,700 --> 01:43:57,570

watching the climax of so okay.

:

01:43:57,579 --> 01:44:01,499

So let me has a full disclosure I have

a seven year old and a five year old

:

01:44:01,629 --> 01:44:07,655

both girls and in sort of a Bad father

trying to toughen them up kind of way.

:

01:44:07,844 --> 01:44:09,344

I show them clips from diehard.

:

01:44:09,735 --> 01:44:14,654

I show them clips from alien The

chestbursters being an alien right because

:

01:44:14,654 --> 01:44:16,334

I don't want them to be afraid of things.

:

01:44:16,645 --> 01:44:20,144

So I Expose them to this shit early.

:

01:44:20,273 --> 01:44:24,115

I showed my kids the matrix when they

were little Yeah, so their favorite

:

01:44:24,405 --> 01:44:28,445

scene, by the way, from this movie

is Quint getting eaten by the shark.

:

01:44:28,465 --> 01:44:32,165

By the way, their second favorite

movie scene is the bear, uh,

:

01:44:32,195 --> 01:44:33,555

attacking Leo in the revenant.

:

01:44:33,674 --> 01:44:37,103

Like, that's the, so, so this is the

kind of shit I show them on YouTube.

:

01:44:37,785 --> 01:44:39,575

That's what he had to

do to get that Oscar.

:

01:44:39,594 --> 01:44:41,855

He had to get hauled by a bear to get it.

:

01:44:42,325 --> 01:44:43,085

Great scene.

:

01:44:43,264 --> 01:44:46,874

But I show my kids this, the,

the alien bursting out of John

:

01:44:46,874 --> 01:44:48,215

Hurt's chest, an alien, right?

:

01:44:48,215 --> 01:44:52,125

Like I show them this so that

they, uh, they don't fear things.

:

01:44:52,454 --> 01:44:55,644

But, uh, so one time I was showing

somebody, they're like, no, you don't.

:

01:44:55,644 --> 01:44:56,105

I said, yeah.

:

01:44:56,105 --> 01:44:58,215

And I showed, I said, Vivi,

uh, that's my seven year old.

:

01:44:58,365 --> 01:45:00,525

Let's, let's show, it was

a neighbor or somebody.

:

01:45:00,725 --> 01:45:03,365

And I put on the Quint being eaten scene.

:

01:45:03,780 --> 01:45:07,400

And the first thing that person said

was, God, that shark looks so fake.

:

01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:10,630

And I'm like, Motherfucker?

:

01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:13,200

Like, no.

:

01:45:13,309 --> 01:45:14,529

You wanna see fake?

:

01:45:14,529 --> 01:45:15,610

Watch Jaws 4.

:

01:45:15,900 --> 01:45:16,330

Yeah.

:

01:45:16,750 --> 01:45:18,309

Lay off Bruce, okay?

:

01:45:18,309 --> 01:45:22,350

Which was the, lovingly the name they

gave the shark while shooting Jaws 1.

:

01:45:22,740 --> 01:45:24,100

Um, but, but anyway.

:

01:45:24,330 --> 01:45:26,200

Steven Sparrow, he's a lawyer

or something, wasn't it?

:

01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:28,090

Some, uh, yeah, something like that.

:

01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:28,520

Are you ready?

:

01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:29,130

All right, here we go.

:

01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:29,760

Yeah.

:

01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:35,880

So I've officially ran out of ice,

so I now had to crack into what I

:

01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:42,950

call my lightsabers, which is my

tall can, my 25 ounce beer can.

:

01:45:42,978 --> 01:45:46,320

I don't drink regular

beers, I drink mega beers.

:

01:45:47,820 --> 01:45:48,400

Why the hell not?

:

01:45:48,630 --> 01:45:52,180

It's funny actually, I'm just scrolling

through trivia, and there's so many ones

:

01:45:52,180 --> 01:45:56,675

that are saying This, uh, this person

declined to return, declined to return,

:

01:45:56,675 --> 01:46:00,459

declined to return, declined to return,

declined to return, declined to return.

:

01:46:00,540 --> 01:46:00,950

Yeah.

:

01:46:01,770 --> 01:46:05,805

And here's the best part, we,

the three of us, All three of us,

:

01:46:06,045 --> 01:46:12,375

we could make Jaws 5 and improve

greatly on what was left behind.

:

01:46:12,915 --> 01:46:15,495

I need, I need, I need The Rock

to play the main character.

:

01:46:16,165 --> 01:46:17,534

That's, that's how you're

gonna make the money.

:

01:46:17,804 --> 01:46:20,204

No, no, I'm gonna tell you

something about The Rock.

:

01:46:20,205 --> 01:46:21,375

You wanna hear some trivia about The Rock?

:

01:46:21,384 --> 01:46:22,754

I had this argument with somebody before.

:

01:46:23,075 --> 01:46:24,895

They're like, The Rock is

the new Schwarzenegger.

:

01:46:24,895 --> 01:46:27,165

And I said, stop, stop, stop, stop.

:

01:46:27,735 --> 01:46:30,535

Arnold, first of all, had

charisma and screen presence.

:

01:46:30,925 --> 01:46:34,315

But here's what, here's the real big

difference between Arnold and The Rock.

:

01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:36,860

I love The Rock, he's fun.

:

01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:41,590

But did you know that The Rock has in his

contract, that he can never lose a fight.

:

01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:42,180

Yep.

:

01:46:43,139 --> 01:46:48,269

And he can never ever, uh, what was it,

he can't be like defeated, or be the site

:

01:46:48,269 --> 01:46:50,969

of defeat, or something of that nature.

:

01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:54,950

What makes Arnold great, is the

moments he gets shit kicked out

:

01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:58,059

of him by the Predator, and he

still has to figure out how to win!

:

01:46:59,295 --> 01:47:03,645

You know, screen presence, your hero

can't be infallible, your hero has to

:

01:47:03,645 --> 01:47:07,705

get the, look at John McClane, what

makes the Die Hard movies so great, is

:

01:47:07,705 --> 01:47:11,985

that guy gets the living fuck kicked

out of him, for two hours, in every

:

01:47:12,295 --> 01:47:14,155

movie, and he still wins in the end.

:

01:47:14,155 --> 01:47:15,365

Yeah, the walk on glass.

:

01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:18,307

Oh, that's sick.

:

01:47:18,307 --> 01:47:19,119

Yes!

:

01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:20,400

Imagine Brody being in Die Hard.

:

01:47:20,570 --> 01:47:21,980

Oh, no, I get someone else to do it.

:

01:47:21,980 --> 01:47:22,840

It's not.

:

01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:23,280

Yeah.

:

01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:24,270

Right, right.

:

01:47:24,270 --> 01:47:24,389

I'm not doing it.

:

01:47:24,389 --> 01:47:25,170

Where's Quint?

:

01:47:25,530 --> 01:47:27,760

We can't get Quint to

jump off this building?

:

01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:31,980

Like, you know, like, but, but The

Rock won't do none of that shit.

:

01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,700

I love The Rock, but he can

never, he hasn't his contract.

:

01:47:34,700 --> 01:47:35,650

His movies are fun.

:

01:47:35,650 --> 01:47:36,190

I love them.

:

01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,270

They're fun, but he hasn't his contract.

:

01:47:38,300 --> 01:47:41,620

I don't lose a fight, and I don't ever,

like, have to deal with adversity.

:

01:47:41,650 --> 01:47:42,830

I'm, I'm always great.

:

01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:43,550

I'm infallible.

:

01:47:44,049 --> 01:47:46,330

Question, like, how, I think it's great.

:

01:47:46,419 --> 01:47:49,789

How would you, off the top,

how would you make Jaws 5?

:

01:47:49,820 --> 01:47:53,480

Like, how would you go back

to Amity Height Island?

:

01:47:53,480 --> 01:47:54,670

Would you do it somewhere new?

:

01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,050

Would you do it somewhere fresh?

:

01:47:56,410 --> 01:47:58,880

How would you craft the

story in this day and age?

:

01:48:00,340 --> 01:48:02,139

or, or here's a 50 bucks thing.

:

01:48:02,170 --> 01:48:03,700

Do what a lot of films

are doing right now.

:

01:48:03,730 --> 01:48:04,870

Legacy sequels.

:

01:48:05,690 --> 01:48:08,545

It's the grandkids that

go back to the island.

:

01:48:08,545 --> 01:48:08,825

Yeah.

:

01:48:08,825 --> 01:48:09,590

You, well, what?

:

01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:09,860

Yeah.

:

01:48:09,860 --> 01:48:13,520

What you could do is you make it Jaws

five, but you don't call it Jaws five.

:

01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,820

You call it jaws.

:

01:48:15,820 --> 01:48:16,780

Jaws the revenge two.

:

01:48:20,684 --> 01:48:22,815

Put a rifle in my mouth right now.

:

01:48:23,215 --> 01:48:25,635

No, if you did it today, it

would probably be a prequel.

:

01:48:26,125 --> 01:48:26,594

Well, no, no.

:

01:48:26,615 --> 01:48:27,430

Well, you can do a prequel.

:

01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:27,960

Yeah, yeah.

:

01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:32,555

You do a prequel of, it's like a,

like a Finding Nemo meets Jaws, where

:

01:48:32,555 --> 01:48:35,775

it's like, he's a guppy and he's

learning how to swim with his one fin.

:

01:48:36,044 --> 01:48:38,244

He watched his mom be

attacked by some fish.

:

01:48:38,764 --> 01:48:39,885

And that's why he's so pissed.

:

01:48:39,885 --> 01:48:40,075

Right?

:

01:48:40,075 --> 01:48:41,094

And that's why he wanted to eat people.

:

01:48:41,225 --> 01:48:41,735

Oh my God.

:

01:48:41,735 --> 01:48:44,445

I just realized why the shark

in Nemo is called Bruce.

:

01:48:44,894 --> 01:48:45,294

Yes.

:

01:48:45,295 --> 01:48:45,755

Because.

:

01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:46,630

Right!

:

01:48:47,410 --> 01:48:48,020

You didn't know that?

:

01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:49,290

No, I didn't.

:

01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:50,550

I never put the two together.

:

01:48:52,460 --> 01:48:53,830

That's, yeah, that's why it's not Bruce.

:

01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:54,290

I love Bruce.

:

01:48:54,290 --> 01:48:56,809

But anyway, uh, oh yeah, he's off.

:

01:48:56,809 --> 01:48:59,679

That's so good.

:

01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,049

Anyway, um, no, no, no.

:

01:49:02,170 --> 01:49:06,629

But, but, but, but, but, but, You

could do a direct sequel to the first

:

01:49:06,630 --> 01:49:08,090

one where, you know, they do that now.

:

01:49:08,100 --> 01:49:12,050

ike the, the Halloween Was it:

:

01:49:12,055 --> 01:49:16,040

Halloween was supposed to, like,

shit, can Halloweens two through five

:

01:49:16,490 --> 01:49:17,840

and it's a direct sequel to that.

:

01:49:18,110 --> 01:49:21,800

Um, well, uh, super, uh, Superman returns.

:

01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,500

The one that Brendan Roth was,

the Superman was the same thing.

:

01:49:24,710 --> 01:49:27,985

They were, it was basically a direct

sequel to it Ignored other movies

:

01:49:28,245 --> 01:49:31,040

and they ignored Superman three

and four, like they never existed.

:

01:49:31,389 --> 01:49:34,180

So you could do it direct week,

but New Ghostbusters did that.

:

01:49:35,940 --> 01:49:37,130

Yeah, Afterlife.

:

01:49:37,150 --> 01:49:40,020

Ghostbusters Afterlife, which

is actually a really good movie.

:

01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,900

It's a direct sequel to the first movie.

:

01:49:43,340 --> 01:49:45,189

It's like the other ones never existed.

:

01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:47,959

I thought it does touch on the second one.

:

01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:50,780

Doesn't it touch on the fact

that the second one did happen?

:

01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:57,990

But very, very like very just ignored the

third one, I guess you want to know here.

:

01:49:58,020 --> 01:49:59,719

All right, we like to go off on tandem.

:

01:49:59,719 --> 01:50:01,010

So I know a little trivia about that.

:

01:50:01,450 --> 01:50:06,449

When they first did Ghostbusters

one, the script, uh, Ernie Hudson's

:

01:50:06,449 --> 01:50:10,629

characters, uh, Winston was, was in 65.

:

01:50:10,900 --> 01:50:12,680

No, I think it was more than that.

:

01:50:12,690 --> 01:50:14,920

It was like 70 to 80

percent of the script.

:

01:50:15,355 --> 01:50:16,934

He was introduced on page eight.

:

01:50:17,594 --> 01:50:20,465

The reason why is because Eddie

Murphy was supposed to play him.

:

01:50:20,684 --> 01:50:22,005

It was all SNL guy.

:

01:50:22,465 --> 01:50:23,744

It was all SNL guys.

:

01:50:23,745 --> 01:50:26,534

And Eddie Murphy was supposed to

play Winston, but Eddie Murphy

:

01:50:26,534 --> 01:50:28,135

dropped out to do Beverly Hills cop.

:

01:50:28,715 --> 01:50:30,125

So then they rewrote it.

:

01:50:30,565 --> 01:50:33,603

And by the way, uh, uh, what's his name?

:

01:50:34,184 --> 01:50:38,545

Uh, Ernie Hudson, he got the script, his

agent gave him where he's introduced on

:

01:50:38,545 --> 01:50:42,315

page 8, and he's like, Oh, fuck yeah,

this is gonna be my breakout film.

:

01:50:42,594 --> 01:50:44,045

I'm gonna be a big star now.

:

01:50:44,164 --> 01:50:48,385

He shows up on set, and they're like,

here's the revisions, and he looks at the

:

01:50:48,434 --> 01:50:50,465

script, he's not introduced until page 65.

:

01:50:50,465 --> 01:50:55,089

It's like, it's like,

what the fuck happened?

:

01:50:55,089 --> 01:50:57,575

They're like, well,

you're not Eddie Murphy.

:

01:50:58,275 --> 01:51:02,205

Well, look at him now, he's the

only one that's still going in the

:

01:51:02,205 --> 01:51:03,675

franchise, and he's the richest.

:

01:51:04,465 --> 01:51:04,785

Yeah.

:

01:51:04,785 --> 01:51:07,045

I mean, I'm sure now he doesn't care.

:

01:51:07,145 --> 01:51:11,675

He did say in an interview that broke

his heart as a, as a starting out actor.

:

01:51:12,075 --> 01:51:13,625

He was like, dude, I had it.

:

01:51:13,645 --> 01:51:18,315

I was telling my mom and my grandma and

everybody, I'm going to be a huge star.

:

01:51:18,535 --> 01:51:22,514

And I get to the set and I find

out I'm just the also ran guy.

:

01:51:22,514 --> 01:51:25,855

Like I just, yeah, I'm

tacked on at the end.

:

01:51:26,275 --> 01:51:30,295

Um, so little side trivia there on

Ghostbusters, but, uh, but to that point.

:

01:51:30,335 --> 01:51:32,264

So if we were to do a Jaws five.

:

01:51:32,885 --> 01:51:35,695

We should probably do a

direct sequel to Jaws.

:

01:51:35,915 --> 01:51:37,375

The problem is everybody's dead.

:

01:51:37,785 --> 01:51:38,725

Yeah for the most part.

:

01:51:39,434 --> 01:51:40,625

That's why you do a prequel.

:

01:51:43,445 --> 01:51:48,184

Martin Brody, Chief Brody as a New

York cop, as a young age, avoiding

:

01:51:48,184 --> 01:51:52,405

responsibility and the movie ends with

him deciding to move to Amity Island.

:

01:51:53,895 --> 01:51:55,045

That's a great movie, Chris.

:

01:51:55,045 --> 01:51:55,645

Let's do that.

:

01:51:55,655 --> 01:51:56,145

Let's do that.

:

01:51:56,695 --> 01:51:58,235

I can already see the last shot.

:

01:51:58,625 --> 01:52:03,105

I can seriously see the last shot saying,

Start new, somewhere safe, or you wanna

:

01:52:03,105 --> 01:52:05,384

start something peaceful, move here.

:

01:52:06,134 --> 01:52:09,984

You could actually make it,

he, uh, Brody in New York City.

:

01:52:10,125 --> 01:52:14,705

Accidentally, he kills, um, the

shark's mother and moves to the

:

01:52:14,705 --> 01:52:19,285

island and it follows him down there

with his luggage, with his luggage.

:

01:52:19,295 --> 01:52:24,365

He's driving, you know, um, but, uh,

but again, that's pretty much what

:

01:52:24,405 --> 01:52:26,425

Abrams did with, with star Wars.

:

01:52:26,434 --> 01:52:29,115

The force awakens is just

a rehash of a new hope.

:

01:52:29,355 --> 01:52:29,945

Oh, right.

:

01:52:29,965 --> 01:52:31,764

It's the same fucking movie.

:

01:52:32,184 --> 01:52:35,545

So if we were, if you were

to tell me, okay, I'm tasking

:

01:52:35,545 --> 01:52:36,925

you to do a new Jaws movie.

:

01:52:37,175 --> 01:52:40,625

I would just rehash the first

one, but create new actors and

:

01:52:40,625 --> 01:52:41,635

new characters or whatever.

:

01:52:41,775 --> 01:52:44,884

So people could say, this is

just like the first and I'll be

:

01:52:44,884 --> 01:52:45,824

like counting the money going.

:

01:52:45,884 --> 01:52:46,885

Yeah, it is.

:

01:52:47,044 --> 01:52:48,764

Yeah, that's like the first.

:

01:52:48,815 --> 01:52:49,405

What was that?

:

01:52:49,785 --> 01:52:50,594

Just like the first.

:

01:52:50,594 --> 01:52:50,934

Yep.

:

01:52:51,184 --> 01:52:52,965

Same character arc and everything.

:

01:52:53,184 --> 01:52:54,315

Funny how that works out.

:

01:52:54,325 --> 01:52:54,815

Doesn't it?

:

01:52:54,965 --> 01:52:55,594

Yeah.

:

01:52:56,085 --> 01:52:56,445

Okay.

:

01:52:56,575 --> 01:52:57,014

I'm going to fold up.

:

01:52:57,014 --> 01:52:57,775

When I was in the force.

:

01:52:58,219 --> 01:53:01,120

I'm gonna fold, right, I was just

gonna say I'm gonna fold up my J.

:

01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:01,290

J.

:

01:53:01,330 --> 01:53:03,670

Abrams money here, and I'm just

gonna put it right in my pocket.

:

01:53:04,389 --> 01:53:04,800

Whatever.

:

01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:06,370

Short attention spans.

:

01:53:06,669 --> 01:53:09,648

Um, anything else on Jaws 4 vs.

:

01:53:09,650 --> 01:53:10,639

Jaws 1?

:

01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:15,190

Well, I'm out of trivia, do

you guys have anything else?

:

01:53:15,389 --> 01:53:18,919

Well, I'm chomping at the bit, getting

ready for the six degrees, because

:

01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:23,200

I want to see how long it's gonna

take you, uh, To do this on the fly,

:

01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:26,010

that's fucked up by the fly, you have

no idea what's coming at you here.

:

01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:27,139

No, I don't.

:

01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:27,900

Not at all.

:

01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:30,969

Nah, the little trivia nuggets

that I can see here, they're not

:

01:53:30,980 --> 01:53:34,840

interesting at all, just more people

going decline, decline, decline.

:

01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:39,369

Um, oh, well, actually, here's a little

good trivia thing that I did see.

:

01:53:39,370 --> 01:53:46,499

So, Jaws 1, on a budget of 9 million,

made 476 million at the box office.

:

01:53:46,650 --> 01:53:52,740

Jaws 5 was 23 million dollars

to make and only made 51 million

:

01:53:52,740 --> 01:53:53,309

dollars at the box office.

:

01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:54,389

You mean, you mean 4?

:

01:53:56,889 --> 01:53:57,670

No, 51.

:

01:53:58,379 --> 01:53:59,469

No, you said Jaws 5.

:

01:53:59,870 --> 01:54:00,990

Oh, sorry, Jaws 4.

:

01:54:01,260 --> 01:54:02,580

That's the movie we're gonna make!

:

01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,309

That's the movie we're gonna make!

:

01:54:05,309 --> 01:54:06,559

Yeah, sorry, Jaws 4.

:

01:54:06,929 --> 01:54:09,200

Wait, so how much did it make, Jaws 4?

:

01:54:09,700 --> 01:54:12,860

Uh, 51 million dollars on

a 23 million dollar budget.

:

01:54:12,900 --> 01:54:14,190

So it still made money.

:

01:54:14,190 --> 01:54:15,030

It still made money.

:

01:54:15,050 --> 01:54:17,639

Nothing.

:

01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:18,880

Yeah.

:

01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:20,780

Alright, so.

:

01:54:21,820 --> 01:54:23,350

Six degrees of separation.

:

01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:25,290

So, do you have something

to write with, Jerome?

:

01:54:26,170 --> 01:54:27,689

Um, no, I don't.

:

01:54:27,689 --> 01:54:32,290

Okay, you want to write this down, or,

or on your, type it out or something?

:

01:54:32,290 --> 01:54:35,199

I'll just, I'll text it

to you and I'll read it.

:

01:54:35,380 --> 01:54:36,630

No, just, just, just tell me.

:

01:54:36,630 --> 01:54:37,089

Just tell me.

:

01:54:37,290 --> 01:54:37,700

Okay.

:

01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:43,180

So, from Jaws, we are going to

connect Chrissy, who dies in the

:

01:54:43,180 --> 01:54:44,570

first four minutes of the movie.

:

01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,200

My God, Susan, Susan, back,

back line, back leaning.

:

01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:51,620

It's a, it's back a leanie, back a leanie.

:

01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:57,580

So we're going to connect Chrissy

with Thea, whose career was

:

01:54:57,590 --> 01:55:02,880

almost as short as Susan's because

sadly, but she wasn't, she died.

:

01:55:03,590 --> 01:55:06,690

Thea, Thea's dead in real life.

:

01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:08,809

Yeah, she's, but she's done other movies.

:

01:55:09,250 --> 01:55:10,240

No, she has not.

:

01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:10,840

No, she does.

:

01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:11,230

She has.

:

01:55:11,230 --> 01:55:13,330

You can then I told you,

you have to look it up.

:

01:55:13,420 --> 01:55:16,960

So Thea's name is Judith Bar Cy.

:

01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:19,550

You wanna know real quick

while I'm looking her up?

:

01:55:19,850 --> 01:55:21,080

Who played the little girl?

:

01:55:21,930 --> 01:55:22,110

Yeah.

:

01:55:22,110 --> 01:55:22,861

Did you know how she died?

:

01:55:23,860 --> 01:55:25,280

Yeah, it's tragic.

:

01:55:25,889 --> 01:55:28,260

This is a piece of, this

is a piece of trivia.

:

01:55:28,260 --> 01:55:31,150

I didn't know if we were going

to touch, but it's really sad.

:

01:55:31,150 --> 01:55:36,700

So the little girl in, in, uh,

Jaws, the revenge, um, she was sadly

:

01:55:36,700 --> 01:55:38,420

murdered by her, by her father.

:

01:55:38,429 --> 01:55:42,019

Her father lost his mind and

killed, I guess, her and her mom.

:

01:55:42,090 --> 01:55:44,120

And yeah, you can read all about it.

:

01:55:44,130 --> 01:55:48,865

There's in the, in IMDB, Um,

actually, I don't remember.

:

01:55:48,865 --> 01:55:53,844

I think it's in, um, in,

uh, Thea's IMDb page.

:

01:55:54,255 --> 01:55:57,924

It, it's all written out about

what happened, and it's like, so,

:

01:55:58,255 --> 01:56:01,254

it's dark, and sad, and, uh, yeah.

:

01:56:01,324 --> 01:56:05,814

But, uh, but, it also means she wasn't

in a lot of movies, and I wanted to

:

01:56:05,825 --> 01:56:07,900

stick Make my brother work for this one.

:

01:56:09,250 --> 01:56:09,770

Okay.

:

01:56:09,770 --> 01:56:13,359

So how convenient that

your career got short.

:

01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,410

It's so sad.

:

01:56:15,100 --> 01:56:16,080

It's so sad.

:

01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:17,750

Yeah, um.

:

01:56:20,290 --> 01:56:20,800

Okay.

:

01:56:20,889 --> 01:56:22,189

So, I think I got it.

:

01:56:24,099 --> 01:56:25,040

I can hear the ticking.

:

01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:29,559

So, um, But I can't use JAWS, right?

:

01:56:29,610 --> 01:56:30,420

Can't use JAWS.

:

01:56:32,650 --> 01:56:37,469

Yeah, he's gonna have to think so and

and chrissy wasn't in a whole lot of

:

01:56:37,469 --> 01:56:45,110

movies either the one no Chrissy yeah,

she's she's not um bacalini bacalini.

:

01:56:45,170 --> 01:56:50,599

So, um Hmm I got it.

:

01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:51,318

This is four.

:

01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:55,490

I got it in four, but I yeah, but you

you got to research I researched and I

:

01:56:55,490 --> 01:57:00,540

looked at imdb and everything but I know

by my when my brother looks at what?

:

01:57:00,780 --> 01:57:07,350

If he just looks at the movies that these

two actors are in, with his encyclopedia

:

01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:12,100

brain, he'll probably know, he'll be able

to make connections that I couldn't make.

:

01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:13,690

I had to actually dig a little.

:

01:57:14,780 --> 01:57:17,290

Man, that's a tough one.

:

01:57:17,370 --> 01:57:19,480

Uh, okay, so.

:

01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:20,769

I wish I had teeth music.

:

01:57:20,999 --> 01:57:22,200

Off the top of my head.

:

01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:27,610

Uh, uh, I know that, uh, Susan

Bacalini was actually in also, she

:

01:57:27,610 --> 01:57:29,360

was also in the Great Muppet Caper.

:

01:57:29,740 --> 01:57:30,150

Okay.

:

01:57:30,180 --> 01:57:30,450

Right?

:

01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:31,150

Mm hmm.

:

01:57:31,159 --> 01:57:31,549

Yes.

:

01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:33,350

Uh, which was loaded with people.

:

01:57:35,139 --> 01:57:36,740

Of course, Charles

Grodin's the star of that.

:

01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,398

So it was the Great Muppet

Caper, Charles Grodin.

:

01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:41,839

I'd say maybe Midnight Run De Niro.

:

01:57:44,260 --> 01:57:46,620

Uh, Heat Pacino.

:

01:57:49,184 --> 01:57:51,815

Scarface, F.

:

01:57:51,815 --> 01:57:52,905

Marie Abraham.

:

01:57:54,755 --> 01:57:55,825

Uh, that's too far.

:

01:57:55,825 --> 01:58:02,425

That's Amadeus is Tom Hulse, who was

in, uh, Slamdance with Judith Varsity.

:

01:58:02,425 --> 01:58:04,455

So that's five, but it's

gotta be less than that.

:

01:58:05,085 --> 01:58:06,364

So you got it in five.

:

01:58:06,425 --> 01:58:08,735

I got it in five, but it's

gotta be less than that.

:

01:58:08,745 --> 01:58:09,434

So let me see.

:

01:58:09,784 --> 01:58:10,939

But you got to invest in it.

:

01:58:11,460 --> 01:58:12,510

I'm not investigating.

:

01:58:13,130 --> 01:58:15,280

I'm going on the fly

here, you fucking prick.

:

01:58:15,450 --> 01:58:16,490

Alright, so let me see here.

:

01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:20,090

Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait

a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

:

01:58:20,660 --> 01:58:23,719

She was, the Great Muppet, Jack Warden

was also in the Great Muppet Caper.

:

01:58:23,860 --> 01:58:24,380

Okay.

:

01:58:24,809 --> 01:58:27,539

So that's, uh, so Great Muppet Caper.

:

01:58:27,730 --> 01:58:28,100

Yeah.

:

01:58:28,709 --> 01:58:31,648

Jack Warden, who's in, and

Justice for All with Pacino.

:

01:58:32,568 --> 01:58:34,999

Scarface, with F.

:

01:58:34,999 --> 01:58:40,905

Murray Abraham, who's in I'm a dance

with tom hulse and still file five slam

:

01:58:40,905 --> 01:58:45,625

dance with can i can i can i tell you

what i did i'll just tell you that i

:

01:58:45,635 --> 01:58:51,405

started with judith judith you started

with judith yeah i started with her

:

01:58:51,425 --> 01:58:53,014

now look at what movie she was in.

:

01:58:53,605 --> 01:58:56,094

Now you're not using the animated

ones were she just as voice

:

01:58:56,125 --> 01:58:58,434

no no voices to feature film.

:

01:58:58,780 --> 01:58:59,059

Yep.

:

01:58:59,100 --> 01:59:02,530

It was, uh, it was, she, she was on

the big screen in a feature film.

:

01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:03,930

Okay.

:

01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:06,490

Uh, are you seeing Gary Busey?

:

01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:09,410

I did not.

:

01:59:09,889 --> 01:59:10,280

Okay.

:

01:59:13,090 --> 01:59:14,039

Uh, okay.

:

01:59:14,148 --> 01:59:15,650

Uh, what movie did you use?

:

01:59:15,969 --> 01:59:16,818

Eye of the Tiger.

:

01:59:17,900 --> 01:59:19,500

Okay, with Gary Busey.

:

01:59:21,330 --> 01:59:22,350

But who else was in that?

:

01:59:23,110 --> 01:59:25,360

Uh, Yafet Kodo.

:

01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:26,739

That's who I used.

:

01:59:28,010 --> 01:59:30,160

So, Eye of the Tiger.

:

01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:34,000

Uh, Kodo?

:

01:59:34,969 --> 01:59:37,909

Well, the immediate movie, when I

saw his face, I knew what movie I

:

01:59:37,910 --> 01:59:39,990

was going to use with him in it.

:

01:59:40,290 --> 01:59:40,690

Which one?

:

01:59:40,690 --> 01:59:40,740

Alien.

:

01:59:51,485 --> 01:59:52,065

I'm helping him.

:

01:59:52,065 --> 01:59:53,325

I'm so disappointed right now.

:

01:59:54,125 --> 01:59:55,555

No, but it's so much fun.

:

01:59:55,555 --> 01:59:55,764

Aren't you?

:

01:59:55,764 --> 01:59:56,155

Chris?

:

01:59:56,215 --> 01:59:57,645

Oh, Harry Dean Stanton.

:

01:59:57,885 --> 01:59:58,764

Harry Dean Stanton.

:

02:00:05,135 --> 02:00:05,624

I'm putting him.

:

02:00:06,035 --> 02:00:06,935

Oh, no, I got it.

:

02:00:06,955 --> 02:00:07,394

I got it.

:

02:00:07,394 --> 02:00:08,404

You look so stumped.

:

02:00:09,704 --> 02:00:10,044

Yeah.

:

02:00:12,625 --> 02:00:14,504

It's like you're waiting

for the penny to drop.

:

02:00:15,205 --> 02:00:17,865

Yeah, I, it's, alright, so, I

don't know, I don't know, I've

:

02:00:17,865 --> 02:00:18,745

been drinking, what do you got?

:

02:00:18,955 --> 02:00:24,154

Alright, alright, Judith, uh, Barsi

was, um, she was in Eye of the Tiger

:

02:00:24,175 --> 02:00:27,004

with Yafit Koto, is that how you say it?

:

02:00:27,005 --> 02:00:29,535

He was in Alien with Sigourney Weaver.

:

02:00:30,045 --> 02:00:30,435

Okay.

:

02:00:30,494 --> 02:00:32,545

Sigourney Weaver was in Ghostbusters.

:

02:00:33,500 --> 02:00:37,240

With Dan Aykroyd, who's in

:

:

02:00:38,290 --> 02:00:39,300

So I did it in four.

:

02:00:39,650 --> 02:00:40,240

Fucking prick.

:

02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:42,750

That was fun though.

:

02:00:42,750 --> 02:00:45,790

See, now again, this whole,

this isn't a stump, Jerome.

:

02:00:45,910 --> 02:00:47,200

He does shit like this.

:

02:00:47,639 --> 02:00:48,820

He does shit like this.

:

02:00:49,370 --> 02:00:50,569

Where he is making it a stump.

:

02:00:51,900 --> 02:00:54,120

I know it's my fun though,

but you're right though.

:

02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:58,010

We've never, Lee, we've never,

um, not gotten one in within

:

02:00:58,030 --> 02:01:00,459

less than actually, I don't even

think we've gone to six degrees.

:

02:01:00,459 --> 02:01:05,460

Have we, have we, I mean, usually

by five, I think five is the

:

02:01:05,460 --> 02:01:06,690

longest one we've ever done.

:

02:01:07,439 --> 02:01:11,179

Uh, I thought another trivia because

of these, uh, actors and actresses.

:

02:01:12,290 --> 02:01:13,480

The lady that plays Mrs.

:

02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:20,270

Kintner in Jaws, the one that slaps

Brody in the face, I think, I want to

:

02:01:20,270 --> 02:01:21,549

see, she's only been in two movies.

:

02:01:23,655 --> 02:01:24,755

You know what the second one is?

:

02:01:25,515 --> 02:01:25,675

What?

:

02:01:25,685 --> 02:01:26,515

Jaws 4.

:

02:01:27,185 --> 02:01:28,495

Oh, she was in this one?

:

02:01:28,975 --> 02:01:29,545

Yes.

:

02:01:30,475 --> 02:01:35,595

So when, when, uh, Sean dies from the

shark attack early in the movie, the first

:

02:01:35,595 --> 02:01:41,364

10 minutes or whatever, there's a scene

of, of Ellen out by the ocean, staring off

:

02:01:41,365 --> 02:01:45,225

into the ocean, and there's people that

come to the house to see how she's doing.

:

02:01:45,515 --> 02:01:45,665

Mrs.

:

02:01:45,665 --> 02:01:47,315

Kintner's in the living room.

:

02:01:48,605 --> 02:01:49,605

Because why not?

:

02:01:49,635 --> 02:01:52,355

They both have lost a son to a shark.

:

02:01:52,984 --> 02:01:54,625

So she's one of the few actors that.

:

02:01:54,915 --> 02:01:56,325

Okay, I'll be in it.

:

02:01:57,875 --> 02:02:01,195

She's one that was like, trimming

her rose bushes, and they're like,

:

02:02:01,315 --> 02:02:03,005

hey, you wanna make a quick 50 grand?

:

02:02:03,675 --> 02:02:04,765

And she's like, okay.

:

02:02:05,595 --> 02:02:07,285

Wow, you are not kidding.

:

02:02:07,295 --> 02:02:14,124

She's literally, Jaws, Jaws the

Revenge, Jaws deleted scenes video

:

02:02:14,464 --> 02:02:19,960

documentary in:

uh, Mist Overtale in two twenty sixteen.

:

02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:20,560

That is it.

:

02:02:20,730 --> 02:02:21,050

Wow.

:

02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:21,900

That's funny.

:

02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:21,930

Yeah.

:

02:02:21,970 --> 02:02:22,170

Wow.

:

02:02:22,170 --> 02:02:22,890

That's like it.

:

02:02:23,090 --> 02:02:23,620

That's it.

:

02:02:23,670 --> 02:02:24,980

And one of those is a documentary.

:

02:02:25,250 --> 02:02:25,550

Yeah.

:

02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:26,050

Yeah.

:

02:02:26,050 --> 02:02:27,062

Of of the same footage.

:

02:02:27,062 --> 02:02:27,872

Of the same footage!

:

02:02:27,872 --> 02:02:28,640

Of the same footage!

:

02:02:28,699 --> 02:02:29,039

Right!

:

02:02:29,119 --> 02:02:30,239

So she's not even really in it.

:

02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:31,119

Yes.

:

02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:33,739

She she had to do no

extra acting for that.

:

02:02:33,850 --> 02:02:34,170

Yeah.

:

02:02:34,370 --> 02:02:34,450

Like.

:

02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:34,999

Oh.

:

02:02:35,620 --> 02:02:39,820

So, several decades after filming

The Jaws, Lee, who plays Mrs.

:

02:02:39,820 --> 02:02:42,460

Kintner, walked into a seafood

restaurant and noticed that the

:

02:02:42,460 --> 02:02:45,150

menu had An Alice Kittner sandwich.

:

02:02:45,250 --> 02:02:45,340

Ehh.

:

02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:49,440

She She commented that she had

played his mother many years ago

:

02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:52,700

and the owner of the restaurant went

out to meet her, none other than

:

02:02:52,700 --> 02:02:54,700

Geoffrey Foys who played her son.

:

02:02:55,119 --> 02:02:56,470

Who then No way!

:

02:02:56,910 --> 02:02:58,550

This was the original movie was shot.

:

02:02:59,279 --> 02:03:00,469

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

:

02:03:00,469 --> 02:03:01,249

Holy shit!

:

02:03:01,465 --> 02:03:02,265

That's a good trivia.

:

02:03:02,305 --> 02:03:03,875

That's crazy.

:

02:03:04,615 --> 02:03:06,615

The chances of that, right?

:

02:03:07,215 --> 02:03:10,955

You know, the funny thing is when you

mentioned Susan Bakalini, I was good.

:

02:03:10,994 --> 02:03:14,855

I was actually thinking about:

I think she's only been in a couple of

:

02:03:14,864 --> 02:03:17,724

s, but you know, her scene in:

:

02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:20,120

It's a spoof on her scene in Jaws.

:

02:03:22,020 --> 02:03:25,610

:

out naked into the water.

:

02:03:26,090 --> 02:03:31,179

And instead of being hunted by a shark,

this Japanese submarine comes up out of

:

02:03:31,180 --> 02:03:33,640

the water and she's on top of it naked.

:

02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:35,110

She's like, oh my god.

:

02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:35,849

I forgot about that.

:

02:03:36,460 --> 02:03:37,790

It's a complete spoof.

:

02:03:37,860 --> 02:03:39,410

Which, of course, it's a Spielberg movie.

:

02:03:39,635 --> 02:03:41,215

:

:

02:03:41,375 --> 02:03:43,010

I've seen it, but it's been a long time.

:

02:03:43,010 --> 02:03:46,975

Yeah, they spoof, they spoof, the opening

scene is a spoof on her part in Jaws.

:

02:03:46,985 --> 02:03:47,695

That's funny.

:

02:03:47,774 --> 02:03:51,484

So, yeah, so when I, when you first

id her, I was like, I bet you:

:

02:03:51,484 --> 02:03:55,734

But then I thought, yeah, Aykroyd and

John, John Belushi and I don't know.

:

02:03:55,734 --> 02:03:59,095

And I was thinking about The Great Muppet

Caper because Grodin was in so much stuff.

:

02:03:59,095 --> 02:04:02,165

And, and there's a lot of stars

in The Great Muppet Caper.

:

02:04:02,185 --> 02:04:03,415

So that's where I went first.

:

02:04:03,415 --> 02:04:05,755

When you said Judith Barsi,

I'm like, wait a minute.

:

02:04:06,785 --> 02:04:08,575

She's like, she's dead.

:

02:04:08,585 --> 02:04:09,895

She's only done like two things.

:

02:04:11,985 --> 02:04:13,205

But there's big names in those movies.

:

02:04:13,205 --> 02:04:17,435

And again, not to make light of

it, but this is really weird.

:

02:04:17,455 --> 02:04:21,224

Spielberg has sort of like

a curse with children.

:

02:04:21,495 --> 02:04:22,305

Oh, with child actors, yeah.

:

02:04:22,314 --> 02:04:25,585

With children in his movie,

like the Poltergeist kids.

:

02:04:25,625 --> 02:04:27,634

Yeah, that was crazy.

:

02:04:27,635 --> 02:04:29,245

But they're all like weird.

:

02:04:29,265 --> 02:04:33,205

Like the teenage daughter of Poltergeist

was strangled by her ex boyfriend.

:

02:04:33,274 --> 02:04:33,844

Yeah.

:

02:04:33,894 --> 02:04:38,250

The whole cast have Like, didn't the

whole main cast have a car accident,

:

02:04:38,260 --> 02:04:40,070

die, or sick in something else?

:

02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:42,110

Well, the, the son is fine.

:

02:04:42,110 --> 02:04:44,310

There's, there's a rumor that

the son died too, but he didn't.

:

02:04:44,540 --> 02:04:46,743

The, you're talking

about Poltergeist, right?

:

02:04:46,743 --> 02:04:47,009

Poltergeist 1.

:

02:04:47,290 --> 02:04:50,650

Carol Ann, of course,

died after Poltergeist 3.

:

02:04:50,930 --> 02:04:52,190

She had a weird one too.

:

02:04:52,219 --> 02:04:57,920

She had these, these, uh, sores on

the inside of her large intestine

:

02:04:58,550 --> 02:05:04,610

that, uh, Uh, as the feces would go

through, her intestine was leaking

:

02:05:04,610 --> 02:05:05,900

into her bloodstream, her blood.

:

02:05:05,900 --> 02:05:05,960

Yeah.

:

02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:07,100

So she died.

:

02:05:07,100 --> 02:05:08,600

She died of septic shock.

:

02:05:08,660 --> 02:05:09,230

Wow.

:

02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:10,150

That was weird.

:

02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:10,840

Yeah.

:

02:05:10,900 --> 02:05:11,080

Yeah.

:

02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:12,640

That's a fucking weird one, right?

:

02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:13,840

Like, that's just weird.

:

02:05:14,140 --> 02:05:17,880

And then, um, and then, what was it?

:

02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:22,200

The, uh, so Judith Barley, of course,

you think she contracted something

:

02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:23,850

when she was in the spirit world?

:

02:05:24,630 --> 02:05:26,025

From, from older.

:

02:05:26,030 --> 02:05:31,025

Older guys, possibly either that

h rv, you know, sorry, contract.

:

02:05:31,835 --> 02:05:36,105

But, but, uh, so Judith Parsey, Judith

Parsey is not really technically

:

02:05:36,105 --> 02:05:38,745

Spielberg's cause it was Jaws 4,

it had nothing to do with that.

:

02:05:39,025 --> 02:05:42,500

But yeah, her, her dad, uh,

there were, uh, immigrants.

:

02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:43,504

He was an alcoholic.

:

02:05:43,515 --> 02:05:44,444

Yeah, he was an alcoholic.

:

02:05:44,484 --> 02:05:45,464

He was abusive.

:

02:05:45,615 --> 02:05:50,845

He lost his mind, and he killed both her

and the mother, and then killed himself.

:

02:05:50,935 --> 02:05:51,945

Yeah, it was horrible.

:

02:05:52,215 --> 02:05:57,024

But it was crazy, yeah, it was like,

uh Like that wrestler, what was that

:

02:05:57,025 --> 02:05:57,855

wrestler's name that did that shit too?

:

02:05:57,865 --> 02:06:02,105

Oh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Chris Benoit.

:

02:06:03,165 --> 02:06:05,125

And you know the weird

thing about that one is?

:

02:06:05,804 --> 02:06:08,325

They found out Chris Benoit died.

:

02:06:08,375 --> 02:06:09,364

That was the headline.

:

02:06:09,745 --> 02:06:10,854

Chris Benoit is dead.

:

02:06:11,495 --> 02:06:15,405

That night, like, Vince McMahon and

all the wrestlers were like, cause it

:

02:06:15,405 --> 02:06:18,335

was like Monday Night Raw or something,

they're like, let's have a tribute!

:

02:06:18,515 --> 02:06:18,745

Oh no, yeah.

:

02:06:18,755 --> 02:06:22,360

So they go and start having all this

great tribute and like, Five minutes

:

02:06:22,360 --> 02:06:25,419

before they go on, they're like,

Fuck, we just found out how he died!

:

02:06:25,419 --> 02:06:27,512

He killed his whole family and himself!

:

02:06:27,512 --> 02:06:29,540

And they were like, Do we do the tribute?

:

02:06:29,540 --> 02:06:31,690

But he like, Oh no!

:

02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:35,240

He's on a panic at the last

minute, Like, oh my god!

:

02:06:35,289 --> 02:06:36,189

Yeah, that's horrible.

:

02:06:37,020 --> 02:06:40,490

I think also if you go onto like

the WWE Network, I think that

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02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:42,120

episode has fully been taken out.

:

02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:43,099

Like there's no mention.

:

02:06:43,100 --> 02:06:43,530

Really?

:

02:06:43,530 --> 02:06:45,820

It is no mention.

:

02:06:45,820 --> 02:06:48,079

I would, yeah, I would, I would imagine.

:

02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:49,319

You know where I saw it?

:

02:06:49,730 --> 02:06:53,789

There's a documentary that has a bunch of

episodes called The Dark Side of the Ring.

:

02:06:53,819 --> 02:06:55,079

Yeah, that's really good.

:

02:06:55,079 --> 02:06:56,630

And they talk about it on that one.

:

02:06:56,630 --> 02:06:58,530

That's a really good one, because

they talk about everything.

:

02:06:58,530 --> 02:06:59,380

They do, uh.

:

02:06:59,650 --> 02:07:00,470

They do Owen Hart's.

:

02:07:00,640 --> 02:07:04,160

Owen Hart's, uh, they do Owen Hart's,

uh, Owen Hart's death, uh, in the,

:

02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:08,920

uh, Montreal Screwjob, and then they,

uh, they have the, the, the ill fated

:

02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:12,619

flight where, uh, uh, what's his name?

:

02:07:12,620 --> 02:07:13,720

The Ride from Hell?

:

02:07:14,270 --> 02:07:18,929

The Ride from Hell, where they're like a

sexually assaulting stewardesses and shit.

:

02:07:19,179 --> 02:07:22,310

I mean, you get these, all of these

wrestlers coked up, you know what I mean?

:

02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:25,160

And then you put them on like an

11 hour flight from Europe to L.

:

02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:25,360

A.

:

02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:28,420

or New York, and they're

just losing their minds!

:

02:07:30,670 --> 02:07:33,710

They didn't have to strap one guy

down, like, one wrestler, they

:

02:07:33,710 --> 02:07:37,710

had to like, duck deep to his seat

or something, like, it's crazy.

:

02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:40,049

There's a whole bunch of

stories about that fly.

:

02:07:40,060 --> 02:07:41,870

Yeah, um, but don't get rid of it.

:

02:07:43,339 --> 02:07:44,610

We're getting way off subject here.

:

02:07:44,610 --> 02:07:46,590

Way off topic, way off topic.

:

02:07:46,969 --> 02:07:48,469

But, um, look guys.

:

02:07:48,469 --> 02:07:49,689

That's why they call it Rant.

:

02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:54,100

We got the lights, we got the

cameras, there's only one thing left.

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02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:58,700

So, so, Lee, I hope you get

an example, you're getting a

:

02:07:58,710 --> 02:08:00,689

little idea of how our shows go.

:

02:08:00,690 --> 02:08:05,539

So anyone that's listening, listening

to this, if you guys are fans of Lee

:

02:08:05,540 --> 02:08:07,209

and you like, uh, lights, camera rant.

:

02:08:07,485 --> 02:08:12,765

And you see, like, how we interact,

we drink while we do our show, we go

:

02:08:12,765 --> 02:08:16,025

off on rants and tangents, and we talk

movies and all kinds of crazy shit.

:

02:08:16,025 --> 02:08:20,285

The Silence of the Lambs episode,

the, the Midsommar, the Silence

:

02:08:20,285 --> 02:08:23,494

of the Midsommar Part 2 that

we're gonna release on Halloween.

:

02:08:23,724 --> 02:08:24,304

Halloween.

:

02:08:24,415 --> 02:08:26,405

He damn near killed me.

:

02:08:26,415 --> 02:08:28,655

He said something that

my brother almost died.

:

02:08:28,665 --> 02:08:29,875

He almost died.

:

02:08:29,885 --> 02:08:30,925

He broke me.

:

02:08:30,995 --> 02:08:32,335

I may have pissed my pants.

:

02:08:32,565 --> 02:08:34,434

I'm not going to, I

haven't said that anywhere.

:

02:08:35,184 --> 02:08:36,775

Maybe I just now said it to him.

:

02:08:37,014 --> 02:08:38,875

I know, but Oh my God.

:

02:08:38,875 --> 02:08:39,854

I was laughing so hard.

:

02:08:39,855 --> 02:08:40,525

And so.

:

02:08:41,215 --> 02:08:42,785

Anyways, it was so much fun, but.

:

02:08:43,695 --> 02:08:44,905

Everyone needs to go check it out.

:

02:08:45,035 --> 02:08:49,125

And how you guys only have

14 episodes amazes me.

:

02:08:49,145 --> 02:08:51,235

I thought you guys

would have so much more.

:

02:08:51,245 --> 02:08:55,004

No, so this started out, I mean

it's still, it's just a hobby.

:

02:08:55,105 --> 02:08:57,634

Um, I've, so my brother

and I have done this.

:

02:08:57,934 --> 02:09:01,845

All our lives, and there's episodes

that we didn't even post, right?

:

02:09:01,845 --> 02:09:05,625

Because in the beginning, the audio

was so bad, we just shitcanned them.

:

02:09:05,684 --> 02:09:09,725

Yeah, the very first episode we,

we tried to record was horrible.

:

02:09:09,745 --> 02:09:13,675

We didn't have, we didn't have the

microphones plugged in right or something.

:

02:09:13,745 --> 02:09:18,525

That was like 12 Angry

Men versus, uh, Chicago 7.

:

02:09:18,585 --> 02:09:20,985

Yeah, that was a, and I had

a, that was a good episode.

:

02:09:21,395 --> 02:09:23,625

That was a, we actually should

re, we should reboot that one.

:

02:09:23,635 --> 02:09:24,655

That was a good episode.

:

02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:29,980

But anyways, but yeah, we've been doing

this all our lives and not, and we just

:

02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:32,930

decided a couple of years ago, I was

like, man, we should record, we should

:

02:09:32,930 --> 02:09:34,930

just do this and record our conversation.

:

02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:37,669

Cause I look forward to

it and I'm glad we have.

:

02:09:37,670 --> 02:09:41,229

So we've gotten to a groove where

it's coming out about once a month.

:

02:09:41,365 --> 02:09:46,475

And actually we're, I'm getting

better at the editing and everything.

:

02:09:46,485 --> 02:09:50,545

So now we might up it to twice a month

because we're, we're going to see, we're

:

02:09:50,545 --> 02:09:54,434

going to see how that goes, but, um,

but at least it's a regular thing now.

:

02:09:54,434 --> 02:09:57,955

And, and before, like, if you look at

the first year, it was kind of sporadic

:

02:09:57,985 --> 02:10:02,504

and we were just trying to find our legs,

but, um, this is our second full year.

:

02:10:02,614 --> 02:10:04,575

Um, and yeah, we've been going.

:

02:10:05,155 --> 02:10:10,365

We, I think we've averaged one a month

since May and, uh, actually it's, I

:

02:10:10,365 --> 02:10:11,865

think December is going to be too.

:

02:10:11,865 --> 02:10:12,815

And so, yeah.

:

02:10:12,825 --> 02:10:15,744

So, so Thanksgiving, our

Thanksgiving episode.

:

02:10:16,515 --> 02:10:24,514

Uh, if you'll allow us to plug right

now, Lee, our Thanksgiving, uh, silver

:

02:10:24,514 --> 02:10:29,324

screen, happy hour, um, the funny

thing is that logo is taken from

:

02:10:29,365 --> 02:10:32,684

a real photo that was taken of us.

:

02:10:33,014 --> 02:10:33,305

We took a.

:

02:10:33,860 --> 02:10:36,100

Isn't it two photos,

or is it the same one?

:

02:10:36,140 --> 02:10:37,530

Yeah, no, no, it's two different photos.

:

02:10:37,540 --> 02:10:38,640

Two separate photos of us.

:

02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:40,100

The picture of you is different.

:

02:10:40,100 --> 02:10:43,260

The picture of me, I took that picture

with mom at a movie theater, by the way.

:

02:10:43,570 --> 02:10:47,110

So anyway, um, which, by the

way, I look, I look awful.

:

02:10:47,249 --> 02:10:48,340

You know what movie that was?

:

02:10:48,669 --> 02:10:51,120

You know what movie that was

that you took mom to see?

:

02:10:52,340 --> 02:10:53,680

Uncut Gems, I think.

:

02:10:53,885 --> 02:10:55,135

Yes, it was Uncut Gems.

:

02:10:55,475 --> 02:10:59,535

So again, so here's the list

of shit I take my mom to see.

:

02:10:59,535 --> 02:11:04,384

Leaving Las Vegas, Uncut

Gems, The Whale, Midsommar.

:

02:11:04,384 --> 02:11:05,575

This is dark, man.

:

02:11:05,615 --> 02:11:10,484

My poor mother, I swear to God, I

subject her to all this crazy shit.

:

02:11:10,534 --> 02:11:12,155

And she still loves me

because I'm the baby.

:

02:11:12,335 --> 02:11:18,815

But anyway, so, um, so we, uh, so

our Thanksgiving special is, uh,

:

02:11:18,865 --> 02:11:20,595

a war, we're doing a war theme.

:

02:11:20,875 --> 02:11:25,575

Yeah, it's actually going to come out

the week before on, uh, what, Armistice

:

02:11:25,575 --> 02:11:27,154

Day or Veterans Day in America?

:

02:11:27,155 --> 02:11:28,155

Veterans Day, Veterans Day.

:

02:11:28,155 --> 02:11:30,934

So we're going to release it on

Veterans Day, and it's the thin

:

02:11:30,934 --> 02:11:34,735

red line and all quiet on the

Western Front, the new version.

:

02:11:34,844 --> 02:11:35,224

Yeah.

:

02:11:35,615 --> 02:11:38,765

Um, yeah, the one that was just

up for Best Picture recently.

:

02:11:38,774 --> 02:11:39,234

Yeah.

:

02:11:39,274 --> 02:11:40,575

So we're doing those two.

:

02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:45,670

And then our Christmas special,

which we are fuckin pumped for!

:

02:11:46,110 --> 02:11:47,760

Well, what are you guys

doing for Christmas?

:

02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:48,770

This I gotta know.

:

02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:51,849

So, again, we're doing sort

of like what we did today.

:

02:11:51,849 --> 02:11:54,050

We're doing, pick a shitty

one versus a good one.

:

02:11:54,568 --> 02:11:57,309

's a, what is it Chris, is it:

:

02:11:58,219 --> 02:12:01,279

Uh, there's a movie that Mel

Gibson was in called Fat Man.

:

02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:03,300

Another Mel Gibson turd.

:

02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:05,950

Another Mel Gibson turd

where he plays Santa Claus.

:

02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:07,840

Fatman, yeah.

:

02:12:08,250 --> 02:12:09,860

It's all one word, too, if you look it up.

:

02:12:09,860 --> 02:12:09,900

It's Fatman.

:

02:12:09,900 --> 02:12:11,270

Yeah, it's Fatman.

:

02:12:14,090 --> 02:12:16,630

And Walt, Walt Goggins, who I love.

:

02:12:16,630 --> 02:12:17,229

Oh, that was:

:

02:12:17,229 --> 02:12:17,679

Is it:

:

02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:18,010

Okay.

:

02:12:18,479 --> 02:12:21,430

I, uh, Walt Goggins is in

it, who plays the assassin.

:

02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:22,430

You heard me right.

:

02:12:22,910 --> 02:12:26,870

And I, I love him because I loved how,

The Shield was one of my favorite shows.

:

02:12:27,295 --> 02:12:29,075

I used to watch The Shield religiously.

:

02:12:29,335 --> 02:12:33,525

And, uh, Walt Goggins plays

the assassin in Fat Man.

:

02:12:33,675 --> 02:12:33,955

Yeah.

:

02:12:34,045 --> 02:12:34,895

A Christmas movie.

:

02:12:34,955 --> 02:12:36,784

He's come to take out Kris Kringle.

:

02:12:37,175 --> 02:12:39,208

Right, so the What the fuck?

:

02:12:39,208 --> 02:12:43,275

So, so what happens is this kid is

spoiled, Brat gets coal for Christmas,

:

02:12:43,424 --> 02:12:45,484

so he hires a hitman to take out Sam.

:

02:12:46,145 --> 02:12:47,845

That's, that's the, that's the storyline.

:

02:12:48,475 --> 02:12:53,530

Believe me A rowdy unorthodox Santa

Claus is finally saying he's declining

:

02:12:53,530 --> 02:12:59,010

business, meanwhile Billy, a neglected

and precious 12 year old, hires a hitman

:

02:12:59,010 --> 02:13:03,659

to kill Santa after seeing a lump of coal

in his stocking, and it's still got a 5.

:

02:13:04,120 --> 02:13:05,460

9 on IMDb.

:

02:13:05,480 --> 02:13:08,036

My daughter, my oldest

daughter told me to watch it.

:

02:13:08,036 --> 02:13:09,840

Are you sure it's not negative 5.

:

02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:10,009

9?

:

02:13:10,010 --> 02:13:12,745

No, she My oldest daughter

actually loved it.

:

02:13:12,755 --> 02:13:14,075

She, maybe it was so bad.

:

02:13:14,075 --> 02:13:15,575

She, she's not on a plane.

:

02:13:15,635 --> 02:13:17,228

Lindsay, Lindsay watched

it on the way home.

:

02:13:17,228 --> 02:13:18,305

Lindsay did not love this movie.

:

02:13:18,305 --> 02:13:18,984

She did.

:

02:13:18,984 --> 02:13:20,215

I swear to you, she did.

:

02:13:22,424 --> 02:13:24,825

You know, I watched Solo with

Lindsay for the first time.

:

02:13:24,825 --> 02:13:25,745

I love telling that story.

:

02:13:25,785 --> 02:13:26,015

Okay.

:

02:13:26,015 --> 02:13:28,135

Wait, wait, wait, pause

for station identification.

:

02:13:29,555 --> 02:13:29,805

All right.

:

02:13:29,835 --> 02:13:34,375

So anyway, so at least

like, Jesus, it's like 10 a.

:

02:13:34,375 --> 02:13:34,615

m.

:

02:13:34,625 --> 02:13:35,305

on my time.

:

02:13:35,565 --> 02:13:35,934

Yeah, I know.

:

02:13:36,585 --> 02:13:38,305

It's long past happy hour here.

:

02:13:38,305 --> 02:13:39,265

It's like 8 o'clock.

:

02:13:39,275 --> 02:13:39,895

Yeah, long past.

:

02:13:39,945 --> 02:13:40,654

Eastern time.

:

02:13:41,355 --> 02:13:42,914

It's 519 p.

:

02:13:42,915 --> 02:13:43,105

m.

:

02:13:43,105 --> 02:13:44,545

on Friday night, where I am.

:

02:13:44,545 --> 02:13:46,474

Jerry's right, Jerome's right

in the middle of happy hour.

:

02:13:46,485 --> 02:13:48,835

I am right in my sweet spot, baby.

:

02:13:48,835 --> 02:13:49,964

Right in his sweet spot.

:

02:13:49,965 --> 02:13:50,485

Go for it.

:

02:13:50,875 --> 02:13:54,545

So, um, uh, so, oh, by the

way, so we're contrasting that.

:

02:13:54,775 --> 02:14:02,815

We're doing Mel Gibson's Fat Man versus

the:

:

02:14:02,945 --> 02:14:03,335

Yes.

:

02:14:03,365 --> 02:14:04,815

Oh, yes.

:

02:14:06,014 --> 02:14:07,915

And the episode will end.

:

02:14:07,955 --> 02:14:11,515

Here's, here's the, here's the hook

for those of you that are thinking,

:

02:14:11,515 --> 02:14:12,765

well, I don't know if I'll listen.

:

02:14:12,795 --> 02:14:15,484

You'll want to listen because

here's the hook at the end.

:

02:14:15,824 --> 02:14:16,634

We debate.

:

02:14:16,855 --> 02:14:21,145

Whether or not diehard is truly a

Christmas movie and I will give points

:

02:14:21,155 --> 02:14:24,387

for and against What it is a christmas?

:

02:14:24,387 --> 02:14:27,775

I'm, not gonna tip my hand No,

you gotta you gotta watch it.

:

02:14:27,775 --> 02:14:29,077

You gotta you gotta listen.

:

02:14:29,077 --> 02:14:31,424

You gotta listen You gotta

listen to our podcast.

:

02:14:31,785 --> 02:14:35,214

But anyway, but but we have a great

slate for:

:

02:14:35,225 --> 02:14:39,790

bat January we're gonna do legally

blonde versus liar liar Yeah.

:

02:14:40,220 --> 02:14:43,890

And then in February for another

one of my daughters wanted me to

:

02:14:43,890 --> 02:14:45,730

do, want us to do legally blonde.

:

02:14:45,730 --> 02:14:50,460

And I'm like, what other comedy, you know,

slash legal themed movie could we do?

:

02:14:50,460 --> 02:14:51,949

And liar, liar was a great one.

:

02:14:51,949 --> 02:14:52,330

I loved that one.

:

02:14:53,390 --> 02:14:58,989

And then Valentine's day, we're doing

a little time travel romance for, for

:

02:14:58,990 --> 02:15:02,910

February's Valentine's we're doing

about time starring Rachel McAdams,

:

02:15:02,910 --> 02:15:04,640

which is a more of a recent film.

:

02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:04,970

Right.

:

02:15:05,500 --> 02:15:09,700

And we're comparing it to

like an early eighties movie.

:

02:15:10,195 --> 02:15:13,905

Somewhere in time with Christopher

Reeve and Jane Seymour.

:

02:15:14,465 --> 02:15:16,404

So Have you seen that one?

:

02:15:16,405 --> 02:15:16,955

Yeah.

:

02:15:17,434 --> 02:15:19,465

No, I've seen, I've seen clips of that.

:

02:15:19,665 --> 02:15:19,955

Yeah.

:

02:15:19,975 --> 02:15:20,445

You know what?

:

02:15:20,464 --> 02:15:22,235

It takes place in Michigan, Lee!

:

02:15:22,254 --> 02:15:23,155

You gotta watch it!

:

02:15:23,405 --> 02:15:25,195

That's our home, that's our home state!

:

02:15:25,325 --> 02:15:26,015

Gotta watch it.

:

02:15:26,214 --> 02:15:29,914

So also in, uh, about, have

you seen About Time, Lee?

:

02:15:30,615 --> 02:15:30,915

No.

:

02:15:31,325 --> 02:15:34,775

So, uh, the male lead in that

is, how do you pronounce his

:

02:15:34,775 --> 02:15:36,730

name, Dom, uh, Domhnall Gleeson?

:

02:15:36,730 --> 02:15:40,325

Uh, Domhnall Gleeson from Force Awakens.

:

02:15:40,385 --> 02:15:40,885

Yeah.

:

02:15:41,715 --> 02:15:43,264

Well, he's been in other things, too.

:

02:15:43,264 --> 02:15:44,174

Well, he's been in a shitload.

:

02:15:44,304 --> 02:15:47,205

Actually, he blew up for

their, for like two years.

:

02:15:47,384 --> 02:15:49,515

He was in like every movie

that you saw on screen.

:

02:15:49,785 --> 02:15:52,335

Yeah, like he was in everything X Martina.

:

02:15:52,355 --> 02:15:54,145

That was, yeah, he was in X Makina too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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02:15:54,925 --> 02:15:55,215

Yep.

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So yeah.

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Anyway, this, this was a ton of fun.

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Lee.

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02:16:00,575 --> 02:16:03,255

I am so glad you invited us on here.

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02:16:03,255 --> 02:16:07,104

And we should, it's kind of late

in the show, but we should plug,

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02:16:07,115 --> 02:16:11,905

um, how we met on the clubhouse,

uh, the empowered podcasting

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02:16:11,915 --> 02:16:14,424

house and they have the, uh, yeah.

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02:16:14,575 --> 02:16:18,365

Yeah, and they have the, uh,

a podcast morning chat every

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02:16:18,385 --> 02:16:20,315

Monday through Friday at 7 a.

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02:16:20,315 --> 02:16:20,495

m.

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02:16:20,525 --> 02:16:21,265

Eastern time.

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02:16:21,265 --> 02:16:22,365

And what time is that for you?

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02:16:22,895 --> 02:16:23,255

7 a.

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02:16:23,255 --> 02:16:23,445

m.

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Eastern time.

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02:16:24,455 --> 02:16:29,135

Well, it's actually now, because it's,

uh, Daylight Savings, it's actually

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02:16:29,155 --> 02:16:30,465

10 o'clock when you guys start.

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02:16:30,624 --> 02:16:31,835

Oh, geez, yeah.

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02:16:31,875 --> 02:16:33,634

So I always listen to it the next day.

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02:16:33,684 --> 02:16:34,725

Yeah, we miss you.

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02:16:35,645 --> 02:16:41,264

No, but anyone, anyone who's like

being an inspiring podcaster and

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02:16:41,264 --> 02:16:42,544

is just looking for some new.

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02:16:42,730 --> 02:16:43,719

Tips and tricks.

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02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:45,129

I highly recommend it.

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02:16:45,129 --> 02:16:48,459

Like a lot of the stuff that

I use now is all because of

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02:16:48,809 --> 02:16:50,129

everyone chatting in that group.

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02:16:50,540 --> 02:16:50,750

Yeah.

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02:16:50,780 --> 02:16:53,510

Um, which seems to be

constantly expanding.

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02:16:54,334 --> 02:16:54,625

Yeah.

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02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:54,840

Yeah.

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02:16:54,870 --> 02:16:57,240

And the meetup, I'm so

jealous about the meetup.

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02:16:57,530 --> 02:16:57,860

Yeah.

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02:16:57,865 --> 02:16:58,879

The meetup in Detroit.

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02:16:58,879 --> 02:16:59,270

Yeah.

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02:16:59,275 --> 02:17:03,680

Well, and it's not nailed down yet,

but we're hoping, uh, you know, so

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02:17:04,100 --> 02:17:07,730

maybe, maybe you can figure out a

reason to come to the, to the States.

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02:17:07,735 --> 02:17:09,980

Is it, is it like a meeting of mob bosses?

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02:17:09,980 --> 02:17:11,750

Like they always have

every Mob boss movie?

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Yeah.

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02:17:12,990 --> 02:17:14,830

All the mob families are getting together.

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02:17:15,130 --> 02:17:15,880

All together.

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02:17:16,830 --> 02:17:18,020

This is what we're

gonna do with this meat.

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This is how you act with this meat.

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02:17:21,009 --> 02:17:22,469

Um, but no.

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02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:25,170

And then a rival podcaster

will take everybody out.

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02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:26,070

Yep.

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02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:28,340

Another clubhouse.

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02:17:32,195 --> 02:17:35,645

It's a, it's a great community,

it's a great community though.

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02:17:35,655 --> 02:17:40,214

There's no rival podcasters on that,

in that clubhouse group because they're

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02:17:40,214 --> 02:17:44,074

all there to support other podcasters

that are trying to figure it out.

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02:17:44,594 --> 02:17:48,933

And like, like Lee, I've learned a ton,

um, and Lee, you've been doing this,

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02:17:49,004 --> 02:17:53,880

um, I think longer, but also more often.

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02:17:53,880 --> 02:17:56,040

So you've got way more

experience than we do.

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02:17:56,040 --> 02:18:00,240

And I've seen you, I mean, I've seen

your game go up so much in the past

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02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:04,190

year, even since we met, uh, just

because of things you've learned.

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02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:08,540

And probably not just from the morning

chat, but, um, but yeah, you've, you've

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02:18:08,540 --> 02:18:12,080

implemented so many things that you've

picked up over the last year or so.

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02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:13,520

It's been really fun to watch.

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02:18:14,119 --> 02:18:15,139

Oh, thanks man.

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02:18:15,139 --> 02:18:19,405

And like it's all from that . A lot of

that's from the morning chat and always

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02:18:19,405 --> 02:18:25,665

picking Mark's brain, as well, of like,

how to do this, how to do this, and not

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02:18:25,665 --> 02:18:30,974

to mention, like, it has so many AI tools,

like the title of this episode, I was, I

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02:18:30,975 --> 02:18:34,564

was stuck, and I was like, all right, how

do you make something, and this came up,

:

02:18:34,564 --> 02:18:41,439

and there's even with, I forgot what it's

called, um, uh, Adobe Audio Cleaner 2.

:

02:18:42,389 --> 02:18:45,750

I'm like, I wish I found that when

I started podcasting, instead of me

:

02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:47,740

sounding like I'm in a, in a warehouse.

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02:18:50,350 --> 02:18:50,820

Yeah.

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02:18:51,619 --> 02:18:55,298

Well, we're trying to get my brother

an actual studio and I'm, I'm in

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02:18:55,298 --> 02:18:57,540

an attic that we actually finished.

:

02:18:57,548 --> 02:19:00,798

So this is turning into a decent

studio, but my brother's in a closet.

:

02:19:01,109 --> 02:19:02,840

Yeah, I'm in a closet right now.

:

02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:04,200

I'm in a closet.

:

02:19:04,209 --> 02:19:05,480

I got the sound panels up.

:

02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:06,210

I was wondering where you were too.

:

02:19:06,210 --> 02:19:09,260

I was like But I'm in

a fucking closet, Lee.

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02:19:09,260 --> 02:19:12,400

I'm in a And someday I want

to come out of the closet.

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02:19:12,770 --> 02:19:14,589

I just want to come out of it.

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02:19:14,590 --> 02:19:15,350

It's acceptable today.

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02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:15,990

Right.

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02:19:16,010 --> 02:19:16,500

Right.

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02:19:16,510 --> 02:19:19,289

There's nothing wrong with that.

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02:19:19,290 --> 02:19:24,160

And I want to come out of the closet and

I'm actually planning on in my garage.

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02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:29,139

Uh, we have a three car garage and I'm

gonna build a recording studio where

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02:19:29,139 --> 02:19:34,650

I have actually some room to like have

a desk and a real camera and a real

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02:19:34,650 --> 02:19:37,490

everything and it's just right for it.

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02:19:37,549 --> 02:19:37,930

Yeah.

:

02:19:37,980 --> 02:19:39,609

Dude, I'm so cramped right now.

:

02:19:39,609 --> 02:19:43,930

I'm cramped and I'm not, I'm not

exactly the skinniest guy in the world.

:

02:19:44,330 --> 02:19:48,480

So like, like I, I command this space.

:

02:19:49,945 --> 02:19:53,775

I feel like I'm filling it out

right here, so I need a little

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02:19:53,775 --> 02:19:55,645

bit of room to write shit down.

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02:19:55,815 --> 02:19:56,135

Yeah.

:

02:19:56,725 --> 02:19:58,684

So that's why when my brother

was like, hey, do you have a pen?

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02:19:58,684 --> 02:19:59,455

Do you want to take some notes?

:

02:19:59,455 --> 02:20:00,575

I'm like, I, I can't.

:

02:20:00,645 --> 02:20:06,394

I'm, I'm, I'm like, I, uh, I'm, I

have alligator arms right now, so.

:

02:20:07,334 --> 02:20:09,475

But it's good enough to hold

a beer and that's all I need.

:

02:20:09,985 --> 02:20:10,845

That's the main thing.

:

02:20:10,855 --> 02:20:12,955

I wish I, I wish I had the

space to build a studio.

:

02:20:12,955 --> 02:20:15,485

This is, this is as

far as I've got so far.

:

02:20:16,275 --> 02:20:18,705

And then my partner's

like, you talk so loud.

:

02:20:18,705 --> 02:20:18,975

I'm like.

:

02:20:19,275 --> 02:20:20,465

It's because I'm just excited.

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02:20:20,915 --> 02:20:21,715

Yeah, yeah.

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02:20:21,715 --> 02:20:22,975

Well, he tells me all the time.

:

02:20:23,205 --> 02:20:25,205

My brother, my brother's

biggest criticism.

:

02:20:25,235 --> 02:20:28,774

Can you step away from the mic

because you're hitting red a lot.

:

02:20:30,554 --> 02:20:33,155

It's like up here constantly.

:

02:20:33,205 --> 02:20:34,785

It's spiking red.

:

02:20:34,785 --> 02:20:37,775

Well, that's me.

:

02:20:37,775 --> 02:20:38,965

I spike red.

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02:20:39,445 --> 02:20:40,545

That's what I do.

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02:20:40,775 --> 02:20:41,885

It means you're passionate.

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02:20:41,885 --> 02:20:43,405

It means you love what

you're talking about.

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02:20:43,619 --> 02:20:43,980

Right.

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02:20:44,050 --> 02:20:44,369

Right.

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02:20:45,020 --> 02:20:45,350

Right.

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02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:49,770

So, so, so we hope that some of your

fans, some of your listeners and

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02:20:49,770 --> 02:20:54,770

followers will, will also, uh, pipe

into the silver screen happy hour.

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02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:55,309

Please do.

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02:20:55,350 --> 02:20:56,580

Uh, yeah.

:

02:20:56,740 --> 02:20:57,130

Yeah.

:

02:20:57,130 --> 02:21:01,769

We, we, you know, our, our shows run about

an, uh, about an hour if we're lucky.

:

02:21:02,260 --> 02:21:02,780

Sometimes they go over.

:

02:21:03,070 --> 02:21:03,920

Yeah, sometime.

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02:21:04,270 --> 02:21:04,660

Yeah.

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02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:09,970

So they, they, but so if you have a long

drive, like coming up in mid November, I

:

02:21:09,970 --> 02:21:13,879

have to drive down to LA again, which from

where I am, it's about a six hour drive.

:

02:21:14,369 --> 02:21:19,629

I will replay all of our episodes just

to pass the time, you know, like I

:

02:21:19,629 --> 02:21:21,099

will listen to some of our episodes.

:

02:21:21,109 --> 02:21:23,350

Thankfully, you're learning,

uh, you're finding some other

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02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:28,119

podcasts like the, uh, the writers,

blockbusters guys, and now Lee.

:

02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:31,670

So you got other guys to listen

to, cause it's, it's just gross

:

02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:33,070

when we nerd out about ourselves.

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02:21:33,090 --> 02:21:33,480

Yeah.

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02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:33,869

Yeah.

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02:21:34,410 --> 02:21:35,869

Oh, I never, I know.

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02:21:36,190 --> 02:21:36,410

Yeah.

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02:21:36,410 --> 02:21:36,830

Go ahead.

:

02:21:37,150 --> 02:21:38,130

I was gonna say, I do the same.

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02:21:38,130 --> 02:21:39,949

Every time I get in the car with

someone, I was like, Oh, do you

:

02:21:39,950 --> 02:21:40,769

want me to change something?

:

02:21:40,769 --> 02:21:41,169

Sure.

:

02:21:42,430 --> 02:21:43,996

I have my podcast.

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02:21:43,996 --> 02:21:46,375

Oh, this just came on.

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02:21:46,375 --> 02:21:46,850

Right.

:

02:21:46,850 --> 02:21:50,810

Well, it's funny cause, cause

Chris does the editing and

:

02:21:50,810 --> 02:21:52,640

sometimes he'll text me like, Hey.

:

02:21:53,035 --> 02:21:54,195

Midsummer's ready.

:

02:21:54,195 --> 02:21:56,015

And I'll be like, Oh, I'm so excited.

:

02:21:56,685 --> 02:22:03,005

You know, like what's funny is that

I remember in the nineties, I used to

:

02:22:03,005 --> 02:22:06,575

watch a show called the Larry Sanders

show with Gary Shandling playing

:

02:22:06,575 --> 02:22:09,114

this, uh, uh, Nate, uh, late night.

:

02:22:09,475 --> 02:22:10,325

Talk show host.

:

02:22:10,325 --> 02:22:12,235

He was kind of like a

David Letterman type.

:

02:22:12,605 --> 02:22:17,105

He was playing in the role, you know,

and on the show they recorded in the

:

02:22:17,105 --> 02:22:20,594

afternoon, like, like they all do, you

know, like the tonight show and all that

:

02:22:20,594 --> 02:22:24,644

shit, they all shoot it in the daytime

and then they air at 11 o'clock at night.

:

02:22:25,335 --> 02:22:27,555

Uh, that's why when they, when

Letterman used to go out on the

:

02:22:27,555 --> 02:22:28,705

street, it was always daylight.

:

02:22:28,825 --> 02:22:29,385

You know what I mean?

:

02:22:29,485 --> 02:22:30,475

It's cause they shoot it in the day.

:

02:22:31,185 --> 02:22:33,255

But the funny thing about that show was.

:

02:22:33,475 --> 02:22:39,225

Gary Shandling's role, his character,

he always watched his own show.

:

02:22:39,235 --> 02:22:40,465

Like, that's what he did every night.

:

02:22:40,475 --> 02:22:43,095

He would sit on the couch,

put his feet up, and watch the

:

02:22:43,095 --> 02:22:44,565

show that they just recorded.

:

02:22:44,765 --> 02:22:48,454

And I remember thinking, That's a

little, like, narcissistic, isn't it?

:

02:22:48,554 --> 02:22:50,035

That you're watching your own show?

:

02:22:50,304 --> 02:22:52,114

But now I get it!

:

02:22:52,114 --> 02:22:55,765

Because now, when I hear that one

of our shows is released, I'm like,

:

02:22:55,765 --> 02:22:57,235

I'm fucking listening to that!

:

02:22:57,415 --> 02:22:59,195

I gotta hear how funny I am!

:

02:23:00,125 --> 02:23:02,065

I'm like, that's what we do.

:

02:23:02,215 --> 02:23:03,799

And I gotta hear how much I drink.

:

02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:07,720

Yeah, I think that was

three cracks in the can.

:

02:23:08,140 --> 02:23:09,110

Yeah, I should have done one more.

:

02:23:09,340 --> 02:23:10,210

Yeah, yeah.

:

02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:12,500

I can't, you know what, next show

I'm going to go for one more.

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02:23:12,550 --> 02:23:12,959

I'm going to go for one more.

:

02:23:15,630 --> 02:23:18,719

Oh, no, but look guys, thank

you for this has been a blast.

:

02:23:18,730 --> 02:23:24,040

And, uh, for both looking at Jaws

and Jaws 4, and I will make sure

:

02:23:24,040 --> 02:23:27,369

that, uh, all your details and

links will be in the show notes.

:

02:23:28,025 --> 02:23:31,055

Uh, do you guys have any final

words before we send off?

:

02:23:31,695 --> 02:23:35,635

Uh, just thank you and we're going

to replay this on our, you, you

:

02:23:35,635 --> 02:23:39,355

offered to let us use the audio and

video or whatever for our podcast.

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02:23:39,355 --> 02:23:43,875

So I'm going to tell our listeners,

um, look up Lee and listen, you know,

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02:23:43,914 --> 02:23:46,754

follow him and um, lights, camera rant.

:

02:23:46,755 --> 02:23:49,135

You're going to, you're not going

to be disappointed, especially

:

02:23:49,305 --> 02:23:50,825

what series you're doing right now.

:

02:23:51,475 --> 02:23:52,465

Um, are you doing Loki?

:

02:23:52,465 --> 02:23:54,565

We're doing Loki and Gen V.

:

02:23:54,595 --> 02:23:55,075

Yeah.

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02:23:55,345 --> 02:23:55,705

Yeah.

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02:23:55,710 --> 02:23:55,900

Oh, good.

:

02:23:55,920 --> 02:24:00,145

So yeah, you, you got, and you got

quite the catalog too, so Yeah.

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02:24:00,145 --> 02:24:00,775

Um, check 'em out.

:

02:24:00,780 --> 02:24:02,305

There's lots of stuff to binge.

:

02:24:03,350 --> 02:24:03,640

Yeah.

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02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:04,000

A hundred.

:

02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:06,955

I wish I can about 128 episodes now.

:

02:24:07,585 --> 02:24:08,275

. That's awesome.

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02:24:09,375 --> 02:24:10,095

That's great.

:

02:24:10,125 --> 02:24:14,685

I, I, I will say like, um, a

again, a, a lot of our show.

:

02:24:15,390 --> 02:24:20,160

Uh, is geared towards, like, uh,

beginning writers, uh, that are trying

:

02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:24,040

to, like, figure out script structure

and kind of get examples from films.

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02:24:24,860 --> 02:24:25,310

That's perfect.

:

02:24:25,589 --> 02:24:29,739

If anyone that really wants to dig

into our, our archive on any, any

:

02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:35,530

podcast, uh, app that you have, uh,

we have some good ones, like the,

:

02:24:35,530 --> 02:24:39,320

uh, the, what was it, the Ethan

Hawke Day is one of my favorite ones.

:

02:24:39,369 --> 02:24:39,619

Yeah.

:

02:24:39,650 --> 02:24:42,919

We, we, we compare Training

Day and Dead Poets Society.

:

02:24:43,270 --> 02:24:47,260

Two films where Ethan Hawke is the

supporting role, but we feel he's the

:

02:24:47,260 --> 02:24:53,500

lead in both films, . So we argue while

he gets Chaptered on the billing because

:

02:24:53,500 --> 02:24:57,850

he's always billed as the supporting role,

but he's the lead in both of those films.

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02:24:57,850 --> 02:24:58,180

Yeah.

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02:24:58,420 --> 02:25:02,270

And so, you know, from a

writing standpoint, that's

:

02:25:02,270 --> 02:25:03,125

not, not Robin Williams.

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02:25:03,425 --> 02:25:04,405

Not Denzel, nah.

:

02:25:04,735 --> 02:25:05,285

Ethan Haw.

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02:25:05,315 --> 02:25:06,140

It's Ethan Hawk.

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02:25:06,830 --> 02:25:07,550

I was skeptic.

:

02:25:07,550 --> 02:25:07,730

Awesome Guy.

:

02:25:07,730 --> 02:25:08,660

Gets no love.

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02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:10,369

. Hey he, Hey.

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02:25:10,369 --> 02:25:11,600

He was great in moon night.

:

02:25:12,855 --> 02:25:15,365

He did really good in Moon

Knight, for being a villain.

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02:25:16,345 --> 02:25:17,175

Yes!

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02:25:17,265 --> 02:25:18,255

Uh, oh wait!

:

02:25:18,565 --> 02:25:19,715

I didn't see that one.

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02:25:20,115 --> 02:25:22,605

What about, um, oh my god.

:

02:25:22,605 --> 02:25:25,585

Oscar Isaac and The Blackphone!

:

02:25:25,984 --> 02:25:28,094

He was in Blackphone too!

:

02:25:28,095 --> 02:25:29,554

Where he plays the serial killer, right?

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02:25:30,004 --> 02:25:30,244

Oh jeez.

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02:25:30,944 --> 02:25:31,315

That's right.

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02:25:31,315 --> 02:25:34,965

And I think that was the same year

too, so he went from being A Marvel

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02:25:34,965 --> 02:25:36,744

movie into a horrific horror film.

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02:25:37,105 --> 02:25:38,085

Yeah, yeah.

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02:25:39,255 --> 02:25:43,465

But, uh, but yeah, so, you know,

beginning writers, uh, I think you'll

:

02:25:43,465 --> 02:25:48,225

dig our podcast because we, we,

you know, we, we kind of pick apart

:

02:25:48,234 --> 02:25:50,494

scripts and that's kind of what we do.

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And we drink while we do it.

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Mike, what's, what's not fun about that?

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No, not when it's nine

o'clock in the morning.

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For me, usually every episode's

got a drink in my hand.

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Well, this was a lot of fun, and I just,

you know, let's do it again sometime.

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I'd love to be able to revisit this idea.

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This is fun.

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And my brother and I are, we've

been experimenting with some video.

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Uh, so we're gonna see, cause I'd love

to start doing video, at least for

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reels and things, you know, for social.

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But, um, this is a fun way to, to To

do it that way your audience can get

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to see you and get to know, you know,

what you look like and everything.

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So yeah, it's it's you got that.

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Yeah, so we're we're

experimenting with that.

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We were fired up for this leaf.

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We were fired up for this show.

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I'm glad you guys came on.

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We haven't been Yeah.

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I mean, we, we were pumped for the

Midsummer Sons of Lambs episode and we

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were pumped for the Star Wars anniversary,

which I think got the most hits.

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Is that the most, the one

that got the most watches?

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Yeah, like, like our Star Wars anniversary

show had the spiked, like that was like

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the one everyone wanted to listen to.

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Cause we really dug into Star Wars.

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Uh, we're all Star Wars geeks.

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We're Star Wars geeks.

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We love it.

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But, but aside from all of that.

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We were so pumped for today.

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I was, I was telling people at work.

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I'm like, dude, I'm going on.

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I'm going to be in a

fucking Australia tonight.

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I'm talking to Australia.

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And they're like, what

are you talking about?

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I'm like, shut up and listen.

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I'm going to be in Australia.

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That's me.

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I'm worldwide now.

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And I'm glad that this could be

your first international one.

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I'm really, I feel privileged.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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02:27:38,725 --> 02:27:40,035

I, Hey, thank you.

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My wife's been to Australia.

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I've never been, but I cannot wait.

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02:27:44,369 --> 02:27:45,980

I want to go to Australia.

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I hear nothing but great things.

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02:27:48,640 --> 02:27:50,190

Good morning, Australia!

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02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:53,500

It's Friday night here, but

good morning, Australia!

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02:27:53,979 --> 02:27:56,489

And, uh, yeah, man, we, we, I can't wait.

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I definitely want to check it out.

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It's Alright, guys, well, as always,

until next time Happy ranting.

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Well for my brother and Leigh,

I wanna thank you for hanging in

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there to the very end with this one.

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Uh, this was so much fun to record.

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I can't wait to do it again.

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02:28:16,520 --> 02:28:20,990

I know Leigh, uh, said that he's gotta

have us back and we would be happy to.

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Again, thank you Leigh, for giving

us the audio to put on our platform.

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And I want to encourage all you listening,

uh, go check out Lights Camera Rant on,

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02:28:32,045 --> 02:28:35,774

uh, wherever you, uh, find podcasts,

but I think you'd really appreciate

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02:28:35,785 --> 02:28:38,255

his YouTube channel, especially.

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02:28:38,275 --> 02:28:42,005

He's got some great video work that

he does on that channel as well.

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02:28:42,115 --> 02:28:45,185

And go ahead and look him up on

his socials, uh, we're buddies,

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02:28:45,185 --> 02:28:47,235

we met on, uh, Instagram.

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02:28:47,244 --> 02:28:49,135

So go look him up on Instagram as well.

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02:28:49,175 --> 02:28:54,365

So for Lights Camera Rant and the Silver

Screen Happy Hour, I'm Chris Wiegand.

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Born and raised in Metro Detroit, Michigan. Graduate of Columbia College Chicago with a degree in Film/Screenwriting. Have lived in California since 2001. I enjoy screenwriting, script consulting and film analysis.
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