Episode 4

Everything. Everywhere. All. At. Once.

We dedicate the entire show to exploring the Oscar-winning masterpiece, "Everything Everywhere All at Once"!

In this episode, we dive deep into the mind-bending, critically acclaimed movie as we discuss its mind-blowing plot, stellar performances, and its well-deserved seven Oscars.

An Enigma in the Closing Credits

During the show, we stumble upon an intriguing mystery in the closing credits of the movie – whispers that left us both fascinated and perplexed. We share our quest to decipher these enigmatic whispers and call on our beloved Reddit geeks to help us solve the puzzle.

The Wiegand brothers, Jerome & Chris, love movies, and they are fascinated by human nature and the art of great storytelling. Have you ever wondered how great stories connect? Listen to the Silver Screen Happy Hour - a podcast for movie lovers!

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Transcript
Chris:

You are listening to the Silver Screen Happy Hour.

Chris:

I'm Chris Wiegand, along with our brother Jerome, a screenwriter and

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graduate of Columbia College, Chicago.

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This is the show where we pair tasty drinks to go with

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a couple of movies normally.

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Today's a special Oscar edition.

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We decided to dedicate the entire show to one movie.

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You can tell by the title what I'm talking about.

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Everything, everywhere, all at once.

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We had so much to say, I just wanna jump into it, but before we

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do, I wanted to make a correction.

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I mistakenly pronounced the band that was nominated for Best Score in the

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Academy Awards this year, uh, I mistakenly pronounced them Son Lukes, and it's a

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long story why I pronounced it that way.

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It doesn't matter, I was wrong.

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It's Son Lux, so their nomination was 100% deserved.

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Absolutely love their work in this movie.

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I also wanted to let you know.

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Before I get it going, about an hour into this, I dropped an easter egg that

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I discovered at the end of the movie.

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I didn't see anyone talking about this on social, and we

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need to get to the bottom of it.

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Um, I described what it is, we even play a little teeny clip, uh, for clarification.

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And, we need some answers, so, if you can't make it there in one sitting, maybe

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you can fast forward and listen to that part now, cause I need some answers.

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So with that said, let me get the film reel going and we'll get to the show.

Chris:

Welcome back to another episode of the Silver Screen Happy Hour.

Chris:

I'm Chris Wiegand, this is my brother Jerome.

Jerome:

Hello.

Chris:

This is sort of a special, uh, Oscar edition.

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The Oscars are done and gone for 2023, or the 2022, I guess, uh, calendar year

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is what they were celebrating, right?

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Uh, yeah.

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But, um, so we're going to be focusing on A single movie this time.

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Normally, we like to pair movies that have a similar theme.

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Uh, today is going to be a little bit different and I'm kind of glad

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because after re watching the movie I messaged you and said I could dedicate

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an entire hour to this movie easily.

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So, you want to tell our audience what we're going to be discussing today?

Jerome:

Yes, the only time we've ever done this before, by the way,

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was for the special edition, er, uh, 45th anniversary of Star Wars.

Jerome:

Yes.

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Um, we've never given another movie its own show before, uh, other than Star Wars.

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So, high praise and, uh, high company.

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Yeah.

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For everything, everywhere, all at once.

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Which, by the way, is coincidentally how Harrison Ford read the card when

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he gave out the Oscar for Best Picture.

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He, like, he had a slight pause after each word, he was all, and the Oscar goes to...

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Everything.

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Everywhere.

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All.

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At.

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Once.

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Yeah, by the time you get to the third word, everybody's already

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cheering and jumping up so you don't even hear the rest of it.

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But, uh, super cool that they got Harrison Ford to give out the Oscar.

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Um, and there's a reason behind that.

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Uh, those of you, this is so old news by now that the internet

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has been splashing it all over.

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So I'm sure this has all been there, done that.

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But Harrison Ford, of course, has an emotional connection to...

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The Best Supporting Actor winner, uh, Ke Huy Kwan, who played Short Round in

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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

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Who, uh, I want to say that was his first movie, because I think

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The Goonies came out after.

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So, uh, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was his first film, uh,

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directed by Spielberg, mind you.

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And, uh, I think a year later, or two years later, Spielberg

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was the executive producer of The Goonies, and got him in that too.

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And...

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Um, we're going to talk a little bit more about Oscars in a second, but when,

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uh, uh, Kihue won his Best Supporting Actor Oscar, if you watch the, the,

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the cat, the telecast, as he's coming off stage, you can see him stop and he

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points to Spielberg and waves to him.

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Um, so, super cool moment for him, and, you know, for obviously

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And who doesn't love that guy?

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I mean, it's hard not to love him.

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I mean, he's just so warm and genuine, and, you know, and watching

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his speech was just awesome.

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And I watched his Golden Globe speech too, and I was like, this is gonna be awesome.

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If he wins.

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Yeah, and I don't know anybody that Like, didn't want him to

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win, or, you know what I mean?

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Like, they knew he was going to, I mean, Ariana DeBose, who

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won Best Supporting Actress last year, was giving out the Oscar.

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She started fucking crying before she could even say his name!

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Like, she got, she got, key out.

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That was all she could get out.

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She, she barely, she barely choked on the other two parts of his name

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because she was already crying.

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Like what the fuck, dude?

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Like how many times have we ever seen that where somebody, and we're

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not talking about like, like if Clint Eastwood had never won an

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Oscar and he finally wins one at 90.

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Like this guy disappeared for like 30 years and people still

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cried when he won the Oscar.

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Like, I

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mean, I get, I think it's.

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Both it's coupled with, it's, it's how, you know, lovable and genuine

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he is to everybody, it seems.

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And so everyone that knows him just loves him.

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But also, they know his story, especially if they watch the Golden Globe speech.

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I mean...

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You know, an immigrant who literally, I mean, it was a dangerous trek to

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the, to where he's at today, right?

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He actually was on a boat with his family and, you know, as a refugee

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and, um, it's just, it's, it's an amazing American story and I love it.

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So, yeah, I was very happy when he won.

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So, uh, before we keep going, let's, let's talk about our drinks.

Chris:

Um, You already cracked yours, didn't you?

Chris:

What do you got?

Jerome:

Well, uh, believe me, I'll crack more.

Jerome:

Um, once again, uh, I know I've done this on a couple of podcasts.

Jerome:

I've been sort of, uh, I'm going to air quote this for those that can't see me.

Jerome:

I've been taking it easy, which means I've just been drinking numerous beers.

Jerome:

I've been staying off the hard alcohol.

Jerome:

Only because, what the hell is that?

Jerome:

Yeah, exactly.

Jerome:

Alright, before we talk about his, um...

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First of all, the movies that we've been doing lately haven't had, like,

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a hard alcohol that's paired with it.

Jerome:

I don't think there's any alcohol in this movie.

Jerome:

I want I think when we did Thumb and Louise, I was doing margaritas.

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So, like, you know what I mean?

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Because they were going to Mexico.

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Like, I want I want, like I need we need to get back to a movie where

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somebody's drinking some hard ass shit.

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So I can, you know, pair that up.

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We've been doing these, for lack of a better term, uh, drunk wise.

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These softball movies where there's no real hard, you know, uh, so

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I've just been sticking with beer.

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So,

Chris:

and today, yeah, which is fine.

Chris:

So what do you got?

Jerome:

Yeah, well, I'm drinking my regular tall, um, McUltras.

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For those of you who keep laughing every time I say that, you know that

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McUltras actually healthier for you than your average garbage light beer.

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So there you go.

Jerome:

I'm trying to be healthy.

Chris:

Did you say healthy with air quotes?

Jerome:

Um, no, but I can.

Jerome:

For those of you that aren't aware, I'm going to throw air quotes on the

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healthy, uh, by request from my brother.

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So

Chris:

I'm gonna sound I think I don't remember if I said this I think I

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said this before we started recording I'm gonna throughout this podcast.

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I'm probably gonna sound like the dumb white guy Oh, we totally are because I you

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know I I think about the drinks the day of normally and if I would have stopped out

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after work in I work in the Detroit area

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there's all kinds of places to get various drinks that you

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just can't get up here in St.

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Clair County where I live And, um, so I went into the local party store that, you

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know, I'm, I'm friends with the owner here and he's, does have a great selection.

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Andy over at Wolverine in Port Huron has a wonderful selection,

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but he did not have any Chinese alcoholic beverages whatsoever.

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So like, whether, you know, um, and You know, most party stores

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probably don't carry that.

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Now, in the Detroit area, I'm sure I would have been able to find something.

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But what I did find, and this is where it's kind of comes, it gets, it kind

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of gets into like ethnic blasphemy to, you know, it's supposed to be

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a Chinese movie, cast in the movie.

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The characters are supposed to be Chinese, that's what I was trying to say.

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And so I got a, uh, I could not find anything Chinese.

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This is a product of South Korea.

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And what did I say that...

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I can't even pronounce it because I don't speak Korean.

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Um, so I pulled up my handy little, uh, Um, translator on my iPhone.

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And this is what it's, uh, this is what it's called.

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Hejin . Heen.

Jerome:

I love that we have a translator.

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What I don't

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understand though, is the stupid Apple thinks it's,

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um, Indonesian and Russian.

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I don't understand this translation.

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So anyways, um, I don't know what this is.

Chris:

It's a clear li liquor, I think, or, or almost like a wine.

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'cause it's super boozy.

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It's 19.

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Point three percent.

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Wow.

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I know I bought another bottle of beer in case I just can't stand it

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Because I don't know what this is.

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So let's see.

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Oh my god.

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See

Jerome:

that's I'm

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just gonna pour a little bit.

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It's crystal clear

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You hear that chug chug chug chug

Chris:

Oh Yeah

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Is it good?

Jerome:

No.

Chris:

If I drank this whole bottle, I'll be on the floor.

Jerome:

No!

Jerome:

Does it taste like hard alcohol?

Chris:

Yeah, it actually tastes like vodka.

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So, and this is like, this was sold to me as, you know, it's like a...

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357 milliliter bottle, probably, what, 20 ounces?

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I don't even know, um, how many ounces that is.

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But, it was sold like, you know, a serving.

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Right.

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So, if it's vodka, uh, this isn't a serving.

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But it's not, it's, it's not like, so this would be almost 40 proof.

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So yeah, it's, I'm, I'm going to drink that little bit right there.

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And I might be switching to my beer, but I just wanted to honor our

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Asian cast by having an Asian drink.

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Next time, maybe I'll go for, uh, some kind of, um, cocktail that I could,

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uh, That I could do to honor the movie.

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But, uh, yeah, it's not too bad.

Chris:

But, you know, it's not what I expected at all.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

Um,

Chris:

so I'll cover the beer when I crack that one.

Jerome:

Alright.

Jerome:

We definitely are going to want the sound on that.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

Um, so give me your first impression.

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You said you watched it a second time.

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Yes.

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Now for those of you, now we always talk about, this is the time where

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you stop to watch the trailer.

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Or watch the movie.

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Or watch the, well, stop to watch the movie, um, if you're going to just

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stop the recording, the podcast real quick to watch the trailer, I guarantee

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you, you're going to say, what the fuck, because the trailer can be

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just as confusing as the movie, when, when you take it like, You know, in a

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two minute, trailers are two minutes and it's hard to explain everything

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everywhere all at once in two minutes.

Chris:

It's hard to explain it in two hours.

Chris:

I mean...

Jerome:

Yeah, so, what's funny is, okay, so my wife, bless her loving

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soul, is not as into movies as I am.

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She knows I'm passionate about movies, she knows I'm passionate about the Oscars.

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So every year when the Oscar nominations come out, Mm hmm.

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They ha you can have up to ten Best Picture nominees.

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And, um, sometimes it's 7, sometimes it's 8, 9.

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This year there was a full boat.

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It was a full 10 movies.

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And I made her watch the trailers of all 10 movies to see which

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ones she wanted to watch.

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I want to say, with the exception of Blonde, which I don't even

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think was up for Best Picture.

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It was just up for Best Actress.

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Uh, um, the movie about Marilyn Monroe.

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She watched that one.

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I don't think she watched any of the other Best Picture nominees.

Jerome:

I want to say All Quiet on the Western Front, because it was on Netflix.

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We watched that together.

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She's a big, she likes war movies, oddly enough.

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She's into war movies, so she watched that one, you know, without much coaxing.

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But I showed her the trailers for literally every other movie that was

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nominated, and she was not interested.

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And particularly when we got to everything, everywhere, all at once.

Jerome:

She, it might have been 35 seconds into the trailer, she's like, next.

Jerome:

Jeez.

Jerome:

Yeah, it's just, there's a lot, and I remember texting you when

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I finally sat down to watch it.

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I was like, I don't think I've ever seen...

Jerome:

This much shit going on in the first 12 minutes of a movie, and

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that includes Saving Private Ryan.

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Like, I mean, the first 12 minutes of everything, everywhere, all it was,

Jerome:

there's a lot thrown at you, and they haven't even started the multiverses yet.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

It's just the way it's edited and shot.

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It's just like, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Jerome:

It's like, it's like, uh, setting the tone for how crazy

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everything's gonna be, right?

Jerome:

Like, they want you to get used to it now, so that when they start doing

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the multiverses, you'll be used to it.

Jerome:

Um, so, if you haven't seen the trailer, watch it.

Jerome:

If you haven't seen the movie, watch it.

Jerome:

But, um, but, what are your, what was your first takeaway when you first

Jerome:

saw the movie for the first time?

Chris:

So, my first takeaway, so, it's funny.

Chris:

My, my wife Jessie, um, when she watches a movie like this, um, any, just about any

Chris:

Marvel movie too, Whenever there's high action and lots of busyness going on on

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the screen, she'll usually just check out.

Chris:

And she did.

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Actually, both times she watched it, she fell asleep during the movie.

Chris:

Wow.

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And it was during the high intensity scenes, you know, like, three quarters of

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the way through the movie's, uh, movie.

Chris:

And, um, She, she did finish it, uh, the second time, uh, the next day, and, um,

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but for me, so, the movie, I felt like it was, um, See, I'm, I'm like reading

Chris:

into the, the, you know, the world view of what's, what's being said, right?

Chris:

It seemed very nihilistic.

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Um, where it was, you know, basically nothing matters.

Chris:

Um, and that was, and what I come to realize is, um, and Jesse, my wife sent

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me this article, uh, that she, or not an article, a Wikipedia page, um, about the,

Chris:

the word, uh, or the, about the genre of, of movie that this kind of falls in.

Chris:

Um, it's called Absurdist Fiction, and I'll just, yeah, and I'll

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read, I'll read a little bit.

Jerome:

Sounds like my life, actually.

Chris:

I'll read a little bit from the Wikipedia page.

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It says, Absurdist Fiction is a genre of novels, plays, poems, films, or other

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media that focuses on the experiences of characters in situations where they

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cannot find any inherent purpose in life, most often represented by ultimately

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meaningless actions and events that call into question the certainty of existential

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concepts such as truth or value.

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And it's funny because when you finish the movie, and having seen it twice,

Chris:

especially and I recently finished it, um, I'm keenly aware that it

Chris:

actually does find truth and value.

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And the end of this movie.

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So what I think this movie was, it was sort of a, a battle of

Chris:

worldviews when it comes to, is there something that we can call true?

Chris:

Um, is there something that we can call meaningful, you know, and.

Chris:

And that whole battle between her daughter, you know, her and her daughter

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in the end of the movie, it just kind of, it kind of answers that question, right?

Chris:

So, that's, I loved it.

Chris:

I thought it was, I thought it was a great movie.

Chris:

I know there's people that probably hated it, um, because of how

Chris:

nihilistic it was and how dark, really.

Chris:

I mean, she was trying, you know, the, the, her daughter's

Chris:

character, um, In the multiverses.

Chris:

What's her name in the multiverses?

Chris:

She had a different

Chris:

name.

Jerome:

Oh, yeah, she had the bad person, the evil name.

Jerome:

Yeah, I don't have it in front of me.

Jerome:

Her name was Joy.

Jerome:

Her character's name was Joy.

Jerome:

I can't remember what they called her.

Jerome:

They had a tag for her, which was the evil name.

Chris:

Yeah, it was, uh, Jobu Tupeki?

Jerome:

Right, right, right.

Jerome:

That's what it was.

Chris:

Jobu tupac.

Chris:

Tupac.

Chris:

See?

Chris:

Dumb white guy.

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Can't say a Chinese

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name.

Jerome:

Uh, Tupac y.

Jerome:

Jobu, Jobu Tupac y.

Jerome:

Tupac y.

Jerome:

Um, and that, yeah, that was the name that they had, like...

Jerome:

Yeah.

Chris:

And she, and she, so this character, um, she was able to, God,

Chris:

how do you explain this to someone?

Chris:

So I'm guessing most people that clicked on this podcast has seen the movie.

Jerome:

Yeah, because if you haven't seen the movie, doubtful you're going

Jerome:

to listen to a podcast about it.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

Well, maybe,

Jerome:

I don't know.

Chris:

But, um.

Chris:

She, her character was able to experience all these realities and

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all the, in all of these different universes, all these multiverses.

Chris:

And she came to the conclusion that everything was meaningless.

Chris:

And ultimately she was going to end it by entering the every, what was it?

Chris:

The everything bagel and her, and her essence would be kind of consumed

Chris:

into everything in which would.

Chris:

Yeah, I can't remember how she worded it, but...

Jerome:

Which, well, I mean, I don't know, maybe you felt differently.

Jerome:

I feel like the movie gave...

Jerome:

very, um...

Jerome:

sort of interesting takes on...

Jerome:

Basic principles what I mean by that is the whole bagel and ending

Jerome:

it all like that to me Was just a huge metaphor for suicide, right?

Jerome:

Right, right.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like she she was so unhappy So felt so out of place in her own skin.

Jerome:

Yeah That the movie was just littered with metaphors about family, and

Jerome:

mother and daughter, and suicide.

Jerome:

And I said this to mom, because, you know, mom, this normally is a movie

Jerome:

mom would be like, What the hell?

Jerome:

But mom actually liked it, and she cried in the end, of course.

Jerome:

And I figured out why mom liked it.

Jerome:

It's because...

Jerome:

And I'm going to go way back here to a 1983 film.

Jerome:

This is Terms of Endearment with a lot of flash.

Jerome:

That's what this film is.

Jerome:

If you, if you really think about it, the concept of, this is a story

Jerome:

about a mother and a daughter, right?

Jerome:

Now we're going to go through story structure in a second.

Jerome:

Um, and when we talk about tangible and spiritual goals, it seemed clear that the

Jerome:

tangible goal was to fix herself, right?

Jerome:

Um, but the spiritual goal was to fix the relationship with her daughter, right?

Jerome:

You know, she she thought If I fix myself, everything will be fine.

Chris:

And actually larger than that was to fix her relationship,

Chris:

relationships in her family.

Chris:

Because it was also her relationship with her husband, also her

Chris:

relationship with her dad.

Jerome:

With her father.

Jerome:

By the way, did you notice?

Jerome:

This is so terrible.

Jerome:

It's one of the worst moments, but it's done so comically that she's

Jerome:

having all these flashbacks and there's this shot of the doctor that gave

Jerome:

birth, holds the baby to the dad, and says, I'm sorry, it's a girl.

Jerome:

God.

Jerome:

And James Hong, the actor who plays the father, is so disappointed.

Jerome:

Like, it's just, you know what it reminded me of?

Jerome:

I mean, again, what's tragic about this is not that it's funny because you know that

Jerome:

in certain cultures, you know what I mean?

Chris:

It is that serious, yeah.

Jerome:

It is that serious that they still sort of live in a different

Jerome:

world, a different century where women are not equal, you know?

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

So, so, yeah, obviously there's a sad underpoint, but the way they

Jerome:

shoot it, it's done comically because it's only like a snippet.

Jerome:

And, um...

Jerome:

But what made me, reminded me almost immediately, this is, this

Jerome:

is how warped my mind is, I jump from movie to movie all the time.

Jerome:

Is there's a scene in a Star Trek movie, I wanna say it's the one where the guy

Jerome:

claims he's gonna go take him to see God.

Jerome:

Is that the final frontier?

Jerome:

Probably.

Jerome:

Yeah, I remember.

Jerome:

I remember the...

Jerome:

It's Spock's brother, or half brother, and he comes and,

Jerome:

remember that, show me your pain.

Jerome:

It runs deep, share it with me, you know what I mean, and he frees their

Jerome:

minds and he gets all these followers and cult followers because of it.

Jerome:

There's a scene where he wants to try to do this with Bones and,

Jerome:

uh, and, uh, you know, McCoy, Dr.

Jerome:

McCoy and Spock.

Jerome:

When he does Spock's pain, McCoy's pain is...

Jerome:

They do this whole flashback where his dad's dying, he's a doctor, right?

Jerome:

Dr.

Jerome:

McCoy, Bones.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

He, his dad's dying.

Jerome:

He helps him kill himself.

Jerome:

Oh my god.

Jerome:

To avoid the pain.

Jerome:

Wow.

Jerome:

And then weeks later they find a cure for what the dad was dying from.

Jerome:

So that's his pain.

Jerome:

Pretty fucking serious, right?

Jerome:

Like, this is like, whoa.

Jerome:

When they go to Spock's pain, it's, it's one thing, it's the day of his birth.

Jerome:

They hand him to his father, and the doctor goes, or no, they give the

Jerome:

baby to Spock's dad, and Spock's dad looks at the baby and goes, So human.

Jerome:

It shakes his head!

Jerome:

It shakes his head in disappointment!

Jerome:

And that's it!

Jerome:

That's Spock's pain!

Jerome:

That's all the pain that his whole life is the fact that he's half human.

Jerome:

Right?

Jerome:

That his mother is human.

Jerome:

Um, and so, I thought of that immediately when I was watching Everything Everywhere

Jerome:

All At Once because I was like, Good God, like, can you imagine Knowing

Jerome:

how that your parents, or parent, one of them, was just that disappointed

Jerome:

in you from the day you're born.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

You haven't even done anything wrong yet!

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

You know, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

And so, so it's not funny, it's sad and, and heartbreaking, but the way they do

Jerome:

it, it's just like snippets of flashbacks.

Jerome:

And it's almost like the way they do it, you're, you're just like, oh my

Jerome:

god, I and, uh, man, yeah, so.

Jerome:

Talk about two white people that are going to really fumble through this one.

Jerome:

Um, there are probably people of a different culture listening right now

Jerome:

going, You asshole, that's not funny!

Jerome:

Like, that's serious!

Jerome:

Um, one other thing I thought of, uh, so another thing that really

Jerome:

grabbed me was like the whole concept of this younger generation.

Jerome:

So, I don't know, you know, the generations, I'm kind of confused

Jerome:

now, like how old Gen Z is.

Jerome:

Um, but...

Jerome:

I don't even know any of that shit to be honest with you.

Jerome:

I know, so like, I know my kids are millennials, and um, they're

Jerome:

in their mid twenties now.

Jerome:

It's fun to make fun of millennials on the internet.

Jerome:

That's all I know.

Jerome:

I don't even know what millennials

Jerome:

are going to save us

Jerome:

all, man.

Jerome:

I hope so, because I don't really understand the difference.

Jerome:

What are we?

Jerome:

We're Gen X.

Jerome:

Oh, of course we are.

Jerome:

Our parents are boomers.

Jerome:

Because MTV told us we were.

Jerome:

Well, yeah.

Chris:

So, so, but it, it, it, to me, this movie, um, really speaks to,

Chris:

like, generational, um, Generational pain and abuse and like, like you

Chris:

said, with the, with the family theme.

Chris:

So I, I, I sense like kids the world over could identify not,

Chris:

you know, even if they weren't gay because their daughter was gay.

Chris:

And that was, that played a role in her emotions and her mom's,

Chris:

you know, struggle with trying to, um, connect with her daughter.

Chris:

But, um.

Chris:

Just the, the, that kind of overarching theme of generational abuse or

Chris:

pain, you know, um, disconnect maybe even is a, is a good word.

Chris:

that's why I think it probably resonated with so many, especially young people,

Chris:

probably millennials and Gen, Gen Z's.

Jerome:

Well, yes, and, and I'll tell you another interesting concept was that the

Jerome:

mother, um, was the, What was her name?

Jerome:

Evelyn.

Jerome:

Played, of course, By the fantastic Michelle Yeoh, who won Best Actress.

Jerome:

Um, Actress in a

Chris:

League.

Chris:

Every acting award was so worthy.

Chris:

Oh my gosh.

Jerome:

Which, again, we're going to talk about the Oscars in a second.

Jerome:

Three fucking acting Oscars!

Jerome:

Like, how?

Jerome:

Three?

Jerome:

There's only four possible!

Jerome:

I know.

Jerome:

And they won three of them!

Jerome:

Um, but anyway.

Jerome:

Um, and they probably could have won four, if they allowed two Best Supporting

Jerome:

Actresses to win in the same category.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

Um, I'm surprised they didn't tie, but we'll get to that.

Jerome:

But, um, so Michelle Yeoh plays Evelyn, the lead.

Jerome:

Um, and, and what struck me throughout the film is, you know when like, Like,

Jerome:

when white people are trying so hard not to be racist that they say racist things.

Jerome:

Uh oh, what are you about to say?

Jerome:

No, no, no, but you know what I mean, right?

Jerome:

Like, there's times where white people are like, they'll see a black person and

Jerome:

they're like, Hey, I voted for Obama!

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like, they say weird shit like that.

Jerome:

Like, white people say the dumbest shit just to try to prove they're not racist.

Jerome:

Or they'll preface it by saying, Now look, I'm not racist, but...

Jerome:

I'm not racist, but...

Jerome:

Some of my best friends are black, but, you know, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like, white people fuck this up all the time.

Jerome:

They try, they try too hard.

Jerome:

And I tell you what, Julia Louis Dreyfus, uh, uh, from Seinfeld,

Jerome:

of course, is in a new movie.

Jerome:

Newer movie.

Jerome:

It's on Netflix.

Jerome:

Oh, what's it called?

Jerome:

Uh, Those People?

Jerome:

You People?

Jerome:

I think it's called You People.

Jerome:

And it's about, um, uh, Jonah Hill.

Jerome:

Jonah Hill, no I think it's you people, Jonah Hill is, is in an

Jerome:

interracial relationship and his mother is Julia Leigh Dreyfus.

Jerome:

She does this the whole movie, where she tries her best not to sound racist

Jerome:

and she comes off so racist every time.

Jerome:

But, um, but, okay, so, what I was gonna say was is, I got the feeling

Jerome:

that Michelle Yeoh's character, Evelyn, was doing the same thing

Jerome:

about her daughter being lesbian.

Jerome:

Trying so hard to act like she accepted her.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

But everything she said came off like she didn't accept her

Jerome:

at all, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

Uh, you people, yeah.

Jerome:

That's what I said.

Jerome:

Yep, you're right.

Jerome:

Uh, Eddie Murphy, by the way, is fantastic in that movie.

Jerome:

I'm gonna have to catch that.

Jerome:

I laughed my ass off in that movie.

Jerome:

But anyway, this is again, we go off on tangents, we jump movies all the time.

Jerome:

Um, so I really felt like Evelyn's character was doing that.

Jerome:

You know, the more she tried to act like she was accepting, she was really

Jerome:

just pushing her daughter further away.

Jerome:

You know, so the dynamic there was just fantastic.

Jerome:

Um, so, I, I gathered what, if you could gather anything in the

Jerome:

first ten minutes of this movie.

Jerome:

Um,

Chris:

I'm curious, I was looking forward to talking to you about this because I

Chris:

was wondering how the heck you figured out the, the arc, the theme, the arc.

Chris:

So,

Jerome:

the husband, uh, Waymond.

Jerome:

Waymond.

Jerome:

Played by, uh, Waymond, who, uh, played by, uh, Ke Huy Quan actually

Jerome:

says to her at some point in the first five to ten minutes, Um, I

Jerome:

know you want everything perfect.

Jerome:

Because she's trying to get all the receipts together, right?

Jerome:

For that IRS audit.

Jerome:

And he says to her, I know you want everything perfect.

Jerome:

And that to me just struck, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like, we get to the point where we're doing these podcasts.

Jerome:

Now, whenever you watch a movie, don't you just look for it?

Jerome:

Like, you look for it, right?

Jerome:

When somebody says something to the lead, you're like, Fuck

Jerome:

it, that's it right there.

Jerome:

That's what I'm going to pay attention to for the rest of the next two hours.

Jerome:

Somebody says something to the lead and you're like, I bet you that's

Jerome:

going to end up being the theme.

Jerome:

And she tries so hard.

Jerome:

But again, the perfection that she's chasing is in herself.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

She doesn't realize that her spiritual goal, the perfection that she's

Jerome:

really chasing, is the connection between her and her daughter.

Jerome:

And what an amazing climax.

Jerome:

A final scene where she's telling the daughter off.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

She's been trying to, uh, kid gloves her the whole movie.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

You know?

Jerome:

And then finally at the end when the daughter's like, I just want to end it.

Jerome:

I just think we should go our separate ways.

Jerome:

And she goes to walk away.

Jerome:

The mother's like, you know what?

Jerome:

Fine.

Jerome:

And she lets her have it.

Jerome:

This is all the things I hate about you.

Jerome:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Jerome:

But then at the end of it, while trying not to cry, she says, But I...

Jerome:

Don't care about any of that stuff.

Jerome:

I only want to be with you.

Jerome:

Always, even despite all the things you do that drive me nuts,

Jerome:

I only want to be here with you.

Jerome:

Yeah, that was good.

Jerome:

I mean, that, the shoot, and that was the scene they showed at the Oscars, by the

Jerome:

way, when they, you know, because they always show clips of the actors that are

Jerome:

up there, that was Michelle Yeoh's clip.

Jerome:

And, and you can tell, like, you know, when I was watching it for the

Jerome:

first time and I saw that moment, you know, I'm one of those guys that have

Jerome:

those little bells that go off, and my bell was Oscar Clip, Oscar Clip,

Jerome:

Oscar Clip, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

It was the same thing with Mark Ruffalo in Spotlight when he's

Jerome:

doing the, It's time, Robbie!

Jerome:

You know, about going after the priest.

Jerome:

You're like, Oscar Clip, Oscar Clip, and sure enough, that's the clip they showed

Jerome:

when he was up for Best Supporting Actor.

Jerome:

So, and you kind of wonder, do the actors know what their Oscar Clip

Jerome:

is when they're doing these scenes?

Jerome:

I don't know.

Jerome:

But anyway, um, and that to me was, that was what wrapped it all up.

Jerome:

There's a lot of shit that goes on between what we just said

Jerome:

is the theme and how we end it.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

I mean, the hot dog fingers alone, that's gotta be worth mentioning.

Jerome:

Um, uh, let me, uh, pause for station identification for

Jerome:

those of you that are listening.

Jerome:

Yeah, that's number two.

Jerome:

Not that we're keeping track, or counting in any way.

Jerome:

We stopped counting, that's not nice.

Jerome:

Um, but, so, as I was mapping out these scenes, I was literally

Jerome:

writing down these scenes, right?

Jerome:

Cause I, I like to try to pinpoint midpoint scene and stuff like that.

Jerome:

Um, there's a section in Act 2, past the midpoint scene, you wanna hear what these

Jerome:

scene headings were that I wrote down?

Jerome:

I'm gonna tell you, uh...

Jerome:

Four in a row.

Jerome:

These were four straight scenes in a row, and this is what I wrote down.

Jerome:

Evelyn fights all jumpers.

Jerome:

Evelyn vs.

Jerome:

dog mom.

Jerome:

Evelyn vs.

Jerome:

butt plugs.

Jerome:

Evelyn vs.

Jerome:

Joe Boon again.

Jerome:

That butt plug scene was horrible, man.

Jerome:

I was like, what the hell?

Jerome:

And then I ended that last one with Evelyn vomits into Flatline.

Jerome:

I mean, there

Jerome:

was someone like, I'm writing this shit down and I'm like,

Jerome:

What the hell is going on here?

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

It's so much cra I mean, and again, Like I said, it's a compact first 12 minutes

Jerome:

of all the shit that's going on, And they don't even jump into the multiverses yet.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

The multiverse happens in the first turning point, Where, You know,

Jerome:

she decides to make the decision.

Jerome:

Now, again, we talk about this in Star Wars, right?

Jerome:

It's not just Obi Wan and, uh, Leia presenting Luke.

Jerome:

Uh, help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

Jerome:

And he says, hey, you must come with me.

Jerome:

It's not enough, just to say that.

Jerome:

That's not gonna jump the character into act two.

Jerome:

There has to be a double bump.

Jerome:

There has to be something else that happens.

Jerome:

And in Luke's case in Star Wars, he arrives home to find Uncle Owen and

Jerome:

Aunt Beru have been charred to death.

Jerome:

That's his double bump.

Jerome:

That's his, Alright, now I got nothing, I might as well go.

Jerome:

Um.

Jerome:

And everything everywhere all at once, it's not enough that the husband

Jerome:

stops her in the elevator, remember?

Jerome:

He just, all of a sudden becomes this different guy at the elevator.

Jerome:

He's been a nerdy, meek husband so far, and then the elevator, he takes

Jerome:

his glasses off, and it's like he's fucking Indiana Jones all of a sudden.

Jerome:

And he's just like, alright, this is what's happening.

Jerome:

There's all these crazy verses going on.

Jerome:

I need your help.

Jerome:

We have to stop this bad guy.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

And she's like...

Jerome:

What are you talking about?

Jerome:

Right?

Jerome:

Right?

Jerome:

Because that's her husband and yet he's got the umbrella up

Jerome:

so he's blocking the camera.

Jerome:

The, the, you know, the, the camera in the elevator and she doesn't

Jerome:

know, have any clue what's going on.

Jerome:

He puts these things on her ears and everything and he's like you have a

Jerome:

choice when we get out of the elevator You can go straight to the janitor's

Jerome:

room and we'll go on this journey.

Jerome:

Of course, she doesn't because she doesn't believe a thing she says.

Jerome:

You just think he's lost his mind.

Jerome:

Right, right.

Jerome:

But when she's sitting there, so it wasn't enough, that wasn't

Jerome:

enough to push her into act two.

Jerome:

But when she's sitting there listening to Jamie Lee Curtis's, uh, Deirdre.

Jerome:

Oh, God, Deirdre.

Jerome:

I love Deirdre, the whole movie.

Jerome:

You're right.

Jerome:

Um, when she's listening to her really, and they showed her clip at the Oscars.

Jerome:

For her, her best supporting actress, uh, oh wait, we gotta get a bit,

Jerome:

uh, we gotta get an audio on this.

Jerome:

I have another shot.

Jerome:

It actually looks like, it looks like white wine, it looks like Chardonnay.

Chris:

It's kinda growing on me, but man, if I drink too much

Chris:

of this, I will be in trouble.

Jerome:

It's growing on you because your taste buds are fried off.

Jerome:

But anyway, so, and that was her clip where she's like, I see a story here.

Jerome:

And it doesn't look good, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

So, that's when Evelyn decides, I have to do this.

Jerome:

I gotta get out of this moment right now.

Jerome:

And make the jump into the multiverse.

Jerome:

Um, so that's, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

That's her double bump, is that she's getting railed to the walls by the IRS.

Jerome:

And she needs to get out of that moment.

Jerome:

Um, little did she know that, you know, really this whole adventure

Jerome:

was to stop the evil person.

Jerome:

Which, I thought it was funny that it was her daughter is the one

Jerome:

that's manifested as the evil person.

Jerome:

And, and, can I just say, Stephanie, it's gotta be Sue?

Jerome:

Stephanie Sue?

Jerome:

That plays your daughter?

Jerome:

I'm going to mispronounce that like crazy, um, God, do we sound and look

Jerome:

like dumb old white people or what?

Jerome:

I'm not editing any of this.

Jerome:

But yeah, don't, don't edit any of this.

Jerome:

We need, we need, we need the audience to know that we...

Jerome:

This is just...

Jerome:

Alright, here we go.

Jerome:

Are you ready?

Jerome:

Are you ready?

Jerome:

Are you ready?

Jerome:

Oh wait, you can't hear it.

Jerome:

Okay, can you hear this?

Jerome:

Stephanie Hsu.

Jerome:

Hsu!

Jerome:

What did I say?

Jerome:

Hsu?

Jerome:

I said Hsu.

Jerome:

Okay, I said Hsu.

Jerome:

It's actually Stephanie Hsu.

Jerome:

Uh, H S U.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

Um, so I apologize for those that are screaming right now at your, uh, whatever

Jerome:

you're listening to this, uh, podcast on.

Jerome:

Um, I have to say, she had the most amazing, um, Costume and makeup

Jerome:

designs throughout the entire film.

Jerome:

Oh yeah.

Jerome:

Right?

Jerome:

Like, poor Evelyn seemed to be...

Jerome:

With the exception of the hot dog fingers, poor Evelyn seemed to

Jerome:

be in the same shit she was in.

Jerome:

She had a couple of costume changes, but, I thought it was cool that when

Chris:

one of the multiverses, she was a movie star and they used footage

Chris:

of her actual self on like, you know, at awards shows and stuff like that.

Chris:

Yeah, and the red carpet.

Chris:

Yeah, the red,

Jerome:

that was kind of cool.

Jerome:

For those of you that are like, Oh, I don't really know Michelle

Jerome:

Yeoh, but she looks familiar.

Jerome:

Remember Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?

Jerome:

Like, when that movie came out, that was huge.

Jerome:

She was the lead in that.

Jerome:

I did

Chris:

hear in an interview, um, They originally cast her as, as Michelle.

Chris:

Her name was going to be Michelle, and she didn't want that.

Chris:

She kind of fought against it, and they changed it to Evelyn.

Chris:

And, uh, I thought it would have been cool, if she did,

Chris:

if they, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

But, whatever, I mean, well, you know, you see that a lot in, uh,

Jerome:

Oh, the movies that Seth Rogen and Jonah Hill do together, a lot of times

Jerome:

Seth's, Rogen's name in the movie is Seth, and Jonah Hill's name is Jonah.

Jerome:

But, uh, uh, but anyway, um, so her, her costume designs

Jerome:

for, um, the villain, right?

Jerome:

Jobu Topaki.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

They're so elaborate.

Jerome:

The, the, the makeup is so elaborate.

Jerome:

Again, if you haven't seen the film...

Jerome:

And you watch the trailer, you're like, what the hell's going on?

Jerome:

When they presented Stephanie Hsu at the Oscars for Best Supporting Actress, she

Jerome:

was nominated for Best Supporting Actress.

Jerome:

And you know how they show like a bunch of random clips of the person

Jerome:

and then they show their scene?

Jerome:

The random clips that were showing up for her were just, I mean, again,

Jerome:

if you hadn't seen the movie and you had no idea what it was about, you'd

Jerome:

be like, who the hell does she play?

Jerome:

Because she's in some weird outfits.

Jerome:

And just random clips that they show throughout the whole Oscar telecast.

Jerome:

Um, so I guess we could take this moment and, and really dig into that.

Jerome:

So Best Supporting Actress is five actresses in the category.

Jerome:

Two of them.

Jerome:

Were of this film and Rarely does one of them win because usually

Jerome:

when there's two from the same movie it splits the vote Right.

Jerome:

Yeah, half the people are voting for one half the people are voting for

Jerome:

the other But but it does work out sometimes and this year was an example

Jerome:

Where overwhelmingly even though Stephanie Hsu is widely considered the

Jerome:

best Like she should have won, right?

Jerome:

Everyone really felt like she should've won.

Jerome:

It's You can understand why Jamie Lee Curtis won, right?

Jerome:

A life long, a career, I mean, what is it, five decades?

Jerome:

Yeah, it's a long time.

Jerome:

Five decades in Hollywood, your parents are Vivian Lee and Tony Curtis.

Jerome:

Like, your parents, your parents are Hollywood legends.

Jerome:

You're a Hollywood icon, you've been around for five, six decades.

Jerome:

Um, You, you battled most of your career being typecast as a scream queen in

Jerome:

horror films, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like, people that were bitching about this, I can't

Jerome:

believe Jamie Lee Curtis won.

Jerome:

Folks, if you honestly think Al Pacino's best acting performance

Jerome:

ever was Son of a Woman, then you don't understand how the Oscars work.

Jerome:

Like, it's just, you know what I mean?

Jerome:

He was due.

Jerome:

He was due.

Jerome:

That's why he won it.

Jerome:

Sometimes you're just fucking due!

Jerome:

Sometimes you're just due!

Jerome:

If you won a tragedy, and you saw this a lot on the internet that

Jerome:

week, when Angela Bassett lost.

Jerome:

Now, it's only her second Oscar nomination, but she lost Best

Jerome:

Supporting Actress for Wakanda Forever, and everybody went bananas.

Jerome:

Everybody went apeshit.

Jerome:

And it's like, folks, the real tragedy is that Al Pacino got

Jerome:

out of the 70s without an Oscar.

Jerome:

That's the real tragedy.

Jerome:

Because he had like six that he could have won a fucking Oscar

Jerome:

for, and he didn't win any.

Jerome:

They were all

Chris:

better than

Jerome:

the son of a woman.

Jerome:

Way, way infinitely better than the son of a woman.

Jerome:

And, and yet he wins for that, right?

Jerome:

So, and, and is really training day?

Jerome:

Is that really Denzel Washington's best?

Jerome:

Uh, lead performance that he's ever had.

Jerome:

Fuck no.

Jerome:

He's had like at least five or six others that were way better.

Jerome:

Sometimes you're just due and it happens to be the year that you

Jerome:

get lucky and it just happens.

Jerome:

So everybody that claims like, oh, it's bullshit.

Jerome:

Hey, man.

Jerome:

Look, Angela Bassett's still probably gonna win an Oscar.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

She probably will.

Jerome:

And you know the other thing I saw, I don't want to really.

Jerome:

pile on Angela Bassett because I love her and I thought she's great.

Jerome:

She's always great, but everyone was like she should have won for

Jerome:

what's love got to do with it.

Jerome:

She should have won for that, right?

Jerome:

Everyone was going off on the one that she lost best actress for.

Jerome:

That year she went up against Holly Hunter in the piano.

Jerome:

Nobody was beating Holly Hunter that year.

Jerome:

Nobody.

Jerome:

When you play a deaf, uh, uh, it was a real artistic film too about this

Jerome:

woman on a Beach who plays a piano that has eventually sinks in the ocean.

Jerome:

It was this . The what?

Jerome:

Oh God.

Jerome:

What was her name?

Jerome:

That one Best supporting actress.

Jerome:

Um, I'm drawing a blank right now.

Jerome:

Come on Jerome.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

So, um, she was like 11.

Jerome:

Uh, well she's like the youngest and APAC one.

Jerome:

Anna.

Jerome:

APAC one.

Jerome:

Alright.

Jerome:

I knew that.

Jerome:

I knew it would come to me eventually.

Jerome:

Anna Pacman won best supporting actress since she was like 11 years old or eight

Jerome:

years old, or whatever the hell it was.

Jerome:

Anyway, nobody was beating Holly Hunter that year.

Jerome:

Okay.

Jerome:

So, That wasn't Angela Bassett's time, and this year wasn't either.

Jerome:

It just wasn't.

Jerome:

But it'll happen, folks.

Jerome:

It'll happen.

Jerome:

Angela Bassett's gonna win her Oscar.

Jerome:

I'm sure of it.

Chris:

And honestly, if, if, now I didn't see Wakanda forever.

Chris:

I love her as an actress, though.

Chris:

Um, but I, having seen, um, everything everywhere all at once a couple of

Chris:

times, I would not have been upset if Stephanie, um, What do you say?

Chris:

Shoo.

Chris:

If she, if she would have won because she did a phenomenal job.

Jerome:

And again, that's what most people were saying was like, we get the

Jerome:

Jamie Lee Curtis legacy, but the best, the best supporting actress this year

Jerome:

was the one that was in the same film.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

You know, that was, that she should have won it.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

And, you know, it's, it's hard to argue that when you watch that

Jerome:

film, particularly that ending is so heartbreaking, you know, um.

Jerome:

Jamie Lee Curtis didn't have, well, I was going to say she didn't have

Jerome:

really a moment in that film where, I want to say, really clinched the Oscar.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

I think she was just sort of...

Jerome:

Fun all the way through.

Jerome:

And the intrical part all the way through, and again, she has the legacy on her side.

Jerome:

Her background, her history.

Jerome:

She has that on her side.

Chris:

I think her Oscar moment was the hot dog fingers in the mouth.

Jerome:

That was...

Jerome:

Alright.

Jerome:

I love the hot dog fingers thing, but that part was a little...

Jerome:

to put the fingers in each other's mouth, I was like, all right.

Jerome:

All right.

Jerome:

I was all I was with you.

Jerome:

I was with you on the hot dog fingers.

Jerome:

You're making me regret it now.

Jerome:

Now you're making me regret it.

Jerome:

But but Stephanie's shoes certainly had that moment.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

You know, she had moments of throughout.

Chris:

Yeah.

Chris:

Even at the very beginning, the emotion was so intense.

Chris:

Yeah.

Chris:

And the like just on her face, the pain she was experiencing, you felt it.

Chris:

I mean, it was it was, I don't know.

Chris:

It was an amazing job.

Chris:

So I do.

Chris:

You know, I think she would have been a worthy recipient of that award, but...

Chris:

Like you said, Jamie Lee was due, I guess.

Jerome:

She was due.

Jerome:

And if she wasn't going to win it, Stephanie, she

Jerome:

probably was going to win it.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

Um, so, so let's get into that a little bit.

Jerome:

So we already talked about, uh, Kee Hui Kwan wins Best Supporting Actor.

Jerome:

Jamie Lee Curtis wins Best Supporting Actress.

Jerome:

Michelle Yeoh wins Best Actress, three of the four acting awards.

Jerome:

I mean, they didn't have a Best Lead Actor, they probably

Jerome:

would have won that too.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

Um, although you could argue that Ki Hwe could have been nominated for Best

Jerome:

Actor, and James Hong, who plays the father, could have gotten an Oscar

Jerome:

nomination for Best Supporting Actor.

Jerome:

If they really wanted to play that, I actually heard some of

Jerome:

that chatter on the internet.

Jerome:

Oh yeah.

Jerome:

That they actually did Ki Hwe wrong.

Jerome:

They should have, they should have, the studio should have pushed him

Jerome:

in the lead, in the, as a lead role.

Jerome:

But, you know, I mean, Alec Guinness gets nominated for Best

Jerome:

Supporting Actor in Star Wars.

Jerome:

You know, a lot of times that catalyst character that pushes the lead into

Jerome:

the story, that's what they are.

Jerome:

They're the helper.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Right, right, right.

Jerome:

Kee Hui Kwan's role in this film was, was obviously important and

Jerome:

needed, but he wasn't a lead.

Jerome:

Mm hmm.

Jerome:

And it's important to understand that this film was about Evelyn and Joy.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

You know, uh, Waymond...

Jerome:

It is an important, he was, he was an important obiwan character.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

He's not a lead, so I thought it played out perfectly as far as that, but, but

Jerome:

we really need to talk about this seven Oscar shit, because I remember posting

Jerome:

on Facebook, I was like, not even Silence The Lambs has a poll like this.

Jerome:

Okay, so Sounds To Lambs pulled five Oscars.

Jerome:

Again, this is about as hard of a sweep as you can get.

Jerome:

Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Screenplay.

Jerome:

Top 5.

Jerome:

You can't beat that.

Jerome:

Top 5.

Jerome:

It's the Top 5 Oscars.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

But Everything, Everywhere, All at Once gets 7, and they get 3

Jerome:

acting awards, not just 2, 3 of them, including the screenplay, and

Jerome:

Best Picture, and Best Director.

Jerome:

And, uh, I wanted, what was the 7th one?

Jerome:

Was it, it was either editing?

Jerome:

Was it editing?

Chris:

I don't remember.

Chris:

Come on, you should know this.

Jerome:

Disappointed.

Jerome:

Yes.

Jerome:

You know how many people are disappointed in us right now?

Jerome:

Sorry, Mom.

Jerome:

Let's not start keeping track now of the long list of people

Jerome:

that are disappointed in us.

Jerome:

Um, okay, I have it right here.

Jerome:

Seven Oscars.

Jerome:

Best Picture.

Jerome:

Best Director.

Jerome:

Best Actress in a Leading Role.

Jerome:

Actress in a Supporting Role.

Jerome:

Actor in a Supporting Role.

Jerome:

Editing.

Jerome:

That's what it was.

Jerome:

Film Editing.

Jerome:

And it was nominated for music, the original score, which I get why

Jerome:

everything everywhere, everything everywhere all at once won, or no,

Jerome:

sorry, All Quiet on the Western Front.

Jerome:

All Quiet on the Western Front won best score, and I could see that, because

Jerome:

the score of that movie was amazing.

Chris:

Yeah, I loved that movie, and, yeah, we, we, I want to

Chris:

do that movie at some point, because it was, it was phenomenal.

Jerome:

And it was also nominated for costumes.

Jerome:

This movie.

Jerome:

Um, Everything Everywhere was nominated for Best Costume, didn't win.

Jerome:

Uh, the ones that it didn't win was that, Best Supporting Actress, Stephanie Hsu.

Jerome:

And, um, you know, like I said, the score.

Jerome:

Those were the three that it didn't win.

Jerome:

So it was nominated for ten.

Jerome:

Which is an amazing haul.

Jerome:

Uh, 1, 2, 10.

Jerome:

No, 11.

Jerome:

I'm missing one.

Jerome:

Uh, Oh, original song.

Jerome:

So there was a song that was nominated as well.

Jerome:

Um, so they...

Chris:

We need, we need to pause for station identification.

Chris:

I need to get a bottle opener.

Chris:

I'll be right back.

Chris:

You know me and my love for Imperial Stouts.

Chris:

I was trying to, I knew, I wasn't completely sure I'd be able to

Chris:

drink this the whole podcast.

Chris:

So I found a beer, and I was just looking for a weird name, right?

Chris:

So, first of all...

Chris:

This is, uh, again, 3 Floyd's Brewing Company.

Chris:

We've had them before, or I have.

Chris:

This is, uh, this is called Blot Out the Sun.

Chris:

And it, it made me feel like the weightiness of the, the

Chris:

everything bagel scene, you know?

Chris:

Right.

Chris:

So, Blot Out the Sun, and it's...

Chris:

Yeah, the art on this bottle is pretty trippy.

Jerome:

Again, and to that point...

Jerome:

It's a war scene, by the way.

Jerome:

To that point.

Jerome:

Again, for anyone that's never seen the movie, the clips that, if you watched

Jerome:

the Oscars, the clips that they were showing, or if you just watched the

Jerome:

trailer, or any TV spots for the trailer, and you see all these elaborate...

Jerome:

Wow, that's thick.

Chris:

Not a very thick head on it, though.

Chris:

That's dark.

Chris:

Oh shit, this is dark.

Jerome:

It's heavy.

Jerome:

It's like you're drinking a coffee.

Chris:

Oh yeah, the head came up.

Chris:

It's, uh, well, it's creamy.

Chris:

Oh my god.

Chris:

Oh my god, that's boozy

Jerome:

too.

Jerome:

Oh my god.

Jerome:

I didn't realize it was that much.

Jerome:

So, for those of you listening, my brother is getting fucking hammered right now.

Jerome:

He's halfway through talking about everything everywhere all at once,

Jerome:

and he's going to be everywhere.

Jerome:

Everywhere all at once.

Jerome:

Everything.

Jerome:

Which reminds me, I had a great Facebook post, well, Facebook comment,

Jerome:

and it did not get the appreciation it deserved from Facebook goers.

Jerome:

It just left you hanging, huh?

Jerome:

Oh, those of you who know what I'm talking about, did you

Jerome:

ever just give a great comment?

Jerome:

Like just nail it and you're expecting like a thousand likes or a thousand

Jerome:

hearts And then nobody responds and you're like fuck this was so good.

Jerome:

How is nobody responding?

Jerome:

I had one of those so I'm gonna tell you what it is So the next day after the

Jerome:

Oscars the Academy posted a picture on Facebook on the wall and it was the four

Jerome:

Oscar winners For, uh, acting, right?

Jerome:

So it was the three from this film.

Jerome:

Yeah, I remember the picture.

Jerome:

And Brendan Fraser, right?

Jerome:

Right, yeah.

Jerome:

Because he won Best Actor for The Whale.

Jerome:

Another great performance.

Jerome:

Um, I commented!

Jerome:

Here's my comment, are you ready?

Jerome:

I'm ready.

Jerome:

Okay.

Jerome:

I think I probably read it.

Jerome:

My comment, my comment was, Three of these four were in

Jerome:

Everything, Everywhere, All at Once.

Jerome:

And one of them was Everything, Everywhere, All at Once.

Jerome:

Get it?

Jerome:

Cause of the whale?

Jerome:

I got no fucking response from that!

Jerome:

That is genius, dammit!

Jerome:

That is a genius!

Jerome:

I feel like George Costanza in Seinfeld.

Jerome:

It's smart!

Jerome:

And a smart audience would appreciate it!

Jerome:

Or, they didn't even get it.

Jerome:

Like, they didn't even get what I was saying.

Jerome:

What a jerk.

Jerome:

He's fat shaming.

Jerome:

But, but Brendan Fraser isn't really fat.

Jerome:

Like, he was playing a part.

Jerome:

I know.

Jerome:

It was a fat suit and CGI, which is amazing what they did in that movie.

Jerome:

They used a fat suit and CGI.

Jerome:

It was CGI too?

Jerome:

Wow.

Jerome:

And makeup.

Jerome:

They had, it was a combination of makeup, a suit, and CGI.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

That was a rough movie though.

Jerome:

it was, uh, yeah, it was rough.

Chris:

I mean, I he won, I thought he did an amazing performance,

Chris:

but it was a dark movie.

Jerome:

It was, it was, but that comment was gold, pure gold.

Jerome:

And it, and again, I feel like Costanza with his jerk store, uh, uh, , I felt like

Jerome:

Costanza with the jerk store and Feld.

Jerome:

Uh, nobody appreciate It was a, it's a smart comment and a smart

Jerome:

audience will appreciate it.

Jerome:

But anyway, um, , so, uh, so yeah, it's swept the Oscars.

Jerome:

Any, any and any, Any way you can call it a sweep, that's a sweep.

Jerome:

Seven, and they weren't seven like, seven Oscars and then

Jerome:

we're all technical awards.

Jerome:

Seven of, they went top heavy.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

I mean, picture, director, actress, supporting actress, supporting

Jerome:

actress, screenplay, editing.

Jerome:

You can't get bigger than that.

Jerome:

Like, again, like I said, I posted on Facebook about that, I don't even think

Jerome:

Silence of the Lambs can compete with that, although, Silence of the Lambs has

Jerome:

something that only two other films have done, and that's to sweep the top four.

Jerome:

Hmm.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

Uh, picture, director, actor, actress.

Jerome:

Only three films in history have ever done it.

Jerome:

Do you know the other two?

Jerome:

I do not.

Jerome:

Really?

Jerome:

I don't.

Jerome:

Okay.

Jerome:

Would you like to take a guess?

Jerome:

Because you're very familiar with one of them.

Jerome:

Which, I'll give you a hint.

Jerome:

Um, uh, should I give you this hint?

Jerome:

Uh, I'll give you this hint.

Jerome:

It came out in the 70s.

Jerome:

In fact, I'll get, it came out the year I was born, 1975.

Jerome:

And you know it, you know this movie.

Jerome:

I got nothing.

Jerome:

Oh my god, you're useless.

Jerome:

Absolutely useless.

Jerome:

It must be the beer.

Jerome:

It must be those twenty percent fuckin alcohol drink beers you're drinkin

Jerome:

Um, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Jerome:

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was best picture, best director, Jack

Jerome:

and Louise Fletcher, best actress.

Jerome:

And then the only other time it's ever happened was in 1934

Jerome:

called It Happened One Night.

Jerome:

And that was, yeah, I mean...

Jerome:

It was 1934, it was Claudette Colbert was Best Actress, and, uh,

Jerome:

Clark Gable was Best Actor, and it won Best Picture and Best Director.

Jerome:

That's the only three times it's happened.

Jerome:

Silence of the Lambs was the third one.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

So think about, it happened one night in 1934, and then you get a little darker

Jerome:

with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

And then we go fuckin apeshit dark with Silence of the Lambs.

Jerome:

So it's like, if the Oscars are telling us anything...

Jerome:

Yeah, right.

Jerome:

Yeah, gotta get dirty and dark.

Jerome:

Um, but yeah, so, uh, everything everywhere all at once

Jerome:

without winning the top four.

Jerome:

Still, I don't know, that's a pretty damn impressive sweep right there.

Jerome:

You gotta get as dark as the stout.

Jerome:

You, you're becoming useless now.

Jerome:

I'm gonna have to carry us through the end of this thing.

Chris:

You carry the whole thing anyways.

Chris:

I'm just here for the ride.

Jerome:

So you know what they call the, uh, director and

Jerome:

writers, plural, of this movie, Everything, Everywhere, All at Once?

Jerome:

They're both Daniels.

Jerome:

Did you know that?

Jerome:

No.

Jerome:

Daniel Kwan and Daniel, uh, Shiner.

Jerome:

are the two people that wrote and directed the film.

Jerome:

Um, they call them the Daniels.

Jerome:

Which is kind of funny, like, the people that know them,

Jerome:

like the actors on the set.

Jerome:

The Daniels.

Jerome:

Yeah, like, when they were interviewing people on the red carpet, they were like,

Jerome:

Oh, I loved working with the Daniels.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like, that was just their name, apparently.

Jerome:

That's what they were referred to as.

Jerome:

Um, so yeah, so, that was interesting.

Jerome:

Um, I don't know man.

Jerome:

Do you have any trivia you want to throw

Chris:

in there?

Chris:

Yeah, I I texted you the night Uh, I re watched the movie and the credits

Chris:

were going up and there's during the music of the credits I noticed something

Chris:

that intrigued me um during um, one of the songs let me pull up the uh I

Chris:

should actually pull it up and play it.

Chris:

Um, so it's two hours and 17 minutes into the movie is during the credits.

Chris:

So there's only like, there's like three minutes or four or five

Chris:

minutes of credits or whatever.

Chris:

There's a couple of songs that played during the.

Chris:

The credits.

Chris:

So two, two hours and 17 minutes in the, it, it switches from one song to another.

Chris:

So the name of the song that was playing during the credits that intrigued me was

Chris:

called Evelyn Everywhere by Sun Luke.

Chris:

Luke it's Lux, L U X, but I think it's pronounced Luke's, uh, Sun Luke's.

Chris:

So that's the name of the band, but it's the song is called Evelyn Everywhere.

Chris:

And during this, the music, it's instrumental.

Chris:

And during the music, you hear this whisper in the background, and then

Chris:

it's distinctly male, but then you hear a distinctly female voice over it.

Chris:

So, and it's kind of going back and forth, the male, female.

Chris:

Kind of whisper talking.

Jerome:

This is all during the closing credits.

Chris:

During the closing credits, and I'm like, what the hell is that?

Chris:

It was kind of creepy.

Chris:

And so I went back, and I looked up the song.

Chris:

And found out, you know, what it was.

Chris:

And I looked up on, on Spotify.

Chris:

No whispers, no talking.

Jerome:

Nobody mentioned it on Spotify?

Jerome:

No one.

Jerome:

Oh, no.

Jerome:

Oh, you can't even hear it on Spotify.

Chris:

No, you listen to the song.

Chris:

You can listen to the song.

Chris:

It's, you know, because it's a soundtrack.

Chris:

It's part of the

Jerome:

soundtrack.

Jerome:

Oh, so it's not part of the song.

Jerome:

It's part of the closing credits.

Chris:

It's part of the closing credits, but if you, you know,

Chris:

if you look up the soundtrack.

Chris:

Yeah, I guess.

Chris:

Yeah, so if you look up the song on Spotify, it has none

Chris:

of that whispering and talking.

Chris:

So don't

Jerome:

bury the lead.

Jerome:

What are they whispering?

Chris:

I don't know!

Chris:

That's the frickin thing, and I was really pissed I couldn't figure it out.

Chris:

I actually employed

Jerome:

Did you go on Reddit?

Jerome:

Did anybody mention it on Reddit?

Chris:

I, I, I don't know.

Chris:

I, I googled it, and I never found any answers.

Chris:

So if

Jerome:

Alright you To our listeners You Reddit geeks out there.

Jerome:

Yes, you Reddit geeks.

Jerome:

You know who you are.

Jerome:

You guys Catch everything.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

What?

Jerome:

And I went,

Chris:

and I and I on YouTube, it also has the correct, it has the

Chris:

soundtrack and same song as Spotify.

Chris:

It's exactly the same.

Chris:

There's no whispering, no talking on, on YouTube.

Chris:

A friend, a friend of mine who's, who's a, uh, Audiovisual tech guy.

Chris:

He works, he does media for a company and I sent it to him and I

Chris:

said, look, this is what's going on.

Chris:

What do I need to do to figure this out?

Chris:

And he, he said, well, you got to get the audio file, but it's in a movie.

Chris:

You know, so he actually found someone who filmed the credits or got a, got

Chris:

a copy of the credits and put it on YouTube, but it's the wrong song.

Chris:

It's not the entire credits.

Chris:

It's an edited version of the credits and it's a different song, so it's

Chris:

not the one that I was looking for.

Chris:

So, anyways, if there's someone that knows how to...

Chris:

I mean, if I could get the audio file, I could actually probably get it to

Chris:

this guy and he'll splice the music out and we'll just hear the whispers.

Jerome:

You're gonna fugitive it.

Jerome:

Remember in the Fugitive where they had to drop all the sound

Jerome:

and get that one background of a next stop merchandise mark.

Jerome:

That's an L train.

Jerome:

Told you it was an L train.

Jerome:

That's a great scene.

Jerome:

I'd love that.

Chris:

So, maybe we'll pause and uh...

Chris:

So I'll pull that up so we can get a little audio, see if we'll get flagged...

Chris:

I don't care, I'm not making any money.

Jerome:

We're still recording right now though, right?

Jerome:

Yeah, absolutely!

Jerome:

Okay good.

Jerome:

So, I got, I just wrote this down, it was one line.

Jerome:

But it was, I put it under the, I'm sorry, it's a girl line from the, that

Jerome:

they gave to the dad on her birthday.

Jerome:

There was another line that I thought was hilarious too.

Jerome:

When, when Deidre, Jamie Lee Curtis character, is talking about all

Jerome:

the, the, uh, infractions that she's committed through the IRS.

Jerome:

She called it gross negligence.

Jerome:

But when she gets into the closet with the husband, She's all, I don't

Jerome:

know what they're talking about, But they call it gross necklaces.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

It's like, you know, Again, Daniel Kwan was one of the writers.

Jerome:

The other guy's a white guy, so you know that, like, any time that they

Jerome:

had to do any sort of making fun of the culture, you know that that white

Jerome:

dude, that Daniel Shynard, was just like, Alright, you're writing that one.

Jerome:

That one's...

Jerome:

Hands off.

Jerome:

I'm not, I'm not going near that.

Jerome:

If we're putting that in the movie, you're writing that line.

Jerome:

You know, so, um, you just get a sense that it was perfect, these two together,

Jerome:

because they made a beautiful film.

Jerome:

Alright.

Chris:

Alright, so I'm going to play that audio clip, okay, with the whispers,

Chris:

I don't know how much of it is going to be picked up on, on the audio.

Jerome:

He's got his phone in his hand, folks.

Chris:

I've got my phone in my hand, and so, this is about, you

Chris:

know, this is a critical review.

Chris:

And so it's just a, a small snippet of the credits.

Chris:

Mind you, it's not even the film.

Jerome:

This is the credits.

Jerome:

He's right now to those that will cancel us who were sue us for all

Jerome:

the money we don't have, right?

Chris:

I could just take the change outta my pocket and throw it to him.

Chris:

Anyway, here we go.

Jerome:

About to change.

Jerome:

First...

Jerome:

First generation.

Jerome:

Okay,

Jerome:

okay, alright.

Jerome:

So you get the picture.

Jerome:

So

Chris:

all I got was first generation

Jerome:

from the guy and when you said and

Chris:

when the one when the woman comes in you can hear

Chris:

her almost singing the words

Jerome:

and You said that when you play if you were to like YouTube

Jerome:

just that song the lyric that that whispering won't be there, right?

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

It's just added in for these closing credits.

Jerome:

Yes Alright, you Reddit, uh, warriors, we need to find out.

Jerome:

You guys find everything.

Jerome:

I've seen you pick apart shit I've never even heard of before.

Jerome:

So, get on it.

Jerome:

Find out what the hell it is they're saying.

Jerome:

We need a deciphering of these codes.

Jerome:

We need the codes.

Chris:

It's intriguing though, isn't it?

Chris:

It's like, I perked up when I was listening to it.

Chris:

I was like, what the hell is that?

Chris:

So YouTube.

Chris:

Because YouTube has lyrics sometimes.

Chris:

YouTube and Spotify will have lyrics if they're available.

Chris:

Alright.

Chris:

And nothing.

Chris:

It was just nothing.

Chris:

It was just, uh, instrumental.

Chris:

That's it.

Chris:

Interesting.

Chris:

Yeah.

Chris:

So, we gotta get to the bottom of this.

Chris:

We'll have an update at a future podcast if, uh, if it's, if or when.

Chris:

It's gonna be figured out.

Chris:

Someone's gonna figure this out.

Chris:

I know someone's got the tech to rip the audio off the movie

Chris:

and, you know, do their thing,

Jerome:

so.

Jerome:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Jerome:

Leave it up to the Reddit gang.

Jerome:

They're usually pretty good at that shit.

Jerome:

I'm serious.

Jerome:

Sometimes I'll go on Reddit and they'll be talking about movies.

Jerome:

Maybe

Chris:

you should do, uh, do you ever do a Reddit post?

Chris:

I have not.

Chris:

Do a Reddit post, link to this podcast, put the time stamp in there of when we

Chris:

discuss this and let them, let them at it.

Jerome:

Can I tell you one of the funniest things I read on Reddit though?

Jerome:

Go for it.

Jerome:

Cause I was looking at, alright, so for those of you that have already heard

Jerome:

previous podcasts, I have two little girls of five and six and a half now.

Jerome:

Um, they were much younger on previous podcasts.

Jerome:

But anyway.

Jerome:

Five and six and a half and when I was trying, they're into jiu jitsu right now

Jerome:

I got them into jiu jitsu, but when I was trying to figure out which martial

Jerome:

arts to get them in I went on Reddit and I, you know, I was looking up, well, I

Jerome:

googled a question Which martial arts is the best for toddlers and this reddit

Jerome:

post came up and everybody's going on and it went off like you had Guys that

Jerome:

were like black belts and shit giving their point of view and everything and

Jerome:

then one guy said something that was so hilarious He was like Because one of them

Jerome:

was talking about what's the best as far as like lifelong self defense, right?

Jerome:

And this guy, I, I, obviously I can't remember his name, but, um, he was

Jerome:

talking, I'm paraphrasing by the way, I can't quote it because I don't

Jerome:

remember all of it, but he was going into this detail about how the best for

Jerome:

hand to hand combat, um, is actually either MMA or, uh, the military.

Jerome:

Obviously not for toddlers, he was talking about when you get older.

Jerome:

MMA or military because it's real hands on.

Jerome:

He's like, the shit you learn in these classes in jiu jitsu and

Jerome:

karate, he's like, that's all about like technique and points.

Jerome:

He goes, I'll give you an example.

Jerome:

This example he gave was hilarious.

Jerome:

He's like, he's like, Take the fictional character Jason Bourne, right?

Jerome:

He goes, Jason Bourne, if he was in a karate tournament, would

Jerome:

get his ass kicked on points.

Jerome:

He goes, but if you fought Jason Bourne in an alley, he's gonna

Jerome:

put a pencil through your scrotum.

Jerome:

Like, that just sort of, like, the light bulb went off.

Jerome:

Like, yeah, he didn't learn that in any classroom, right?

Jerome:

Like, that shit you learn in the military, right?

Jerome:

And stuff like that.

Jerome:

Like, so, uh, uh, my My, uh, my goal is to turn my kids into little machines,

Jerome:

and, uh, I'll see if the whole point of

Chris:

MMA, though, it's mixed martial arts.

Chris:

So they learn different disciplines.

Jerome:

Right, but you're actually fighting people.

Jerome:

Like, to the death, right?

Jerome:

Or, not to the death, but to, to tap out.

Jerome:

You're, you're fighting somebody until somebody's bludgeoned, right?

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

Whereas in tournaments, in karate tournaments, in jiu jitsu

Jerome:

tournaments and everything, it's all technique, it's all points.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

Right?

Jerome:

You're, you're hopefully not bludgeoning somebody, right?

Jerome:

But like, so to truly learn...

Jerome:

You know, I, I, I, again, it's just a movie, but if you watch Karate Kid, right,

Jerome:

Daniel does his whole training with Mr.

Jerome:

Miyagi.

Jerome:

The second he gets in the tournament at the end, he's kind of lost.

Jerome:

He's like a fish out of water.

Jerome:

He doesn't really know what to do.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

And Miyagi's trying to tell him, like, okay, remember all the shit we learned?

Jerome:

Okay, now you have to start doing it, right?

Jerome:

Everybody would come at him with these moves, and he's like, AHH!

Jerome:

And he would run out of the ring.

Jerome:

Right?

Jerome:

So, so, I mean, that's kind of the point.

Jerome:

You can learn technique in points, but if you get in an alley, and you

Jerome:

have to fight somebody, are you gonna remember all the shit you learned?

Jerome:

Or are you just gonna, like, put the pencil through somebody's scrotum?

Jerome:

Like this.

Jerome:

That's probably what I would do, I'd grab a baseball bat.

Jerome:

But anyway, um, how did we get on that?

Jerome:

I don't remember.

Jerome:

Yes, again, we go off on tangents, people, and we don't even know how we get there.

Jerome:

So Reddit, yeah.

Jerome:

So Reddit, you find a lot of interesting shit on Reddit.

Jerome:

Um, and so we're putting the mission out there for you Reddit people.

Jerome:

Yeah, I need to know what that, what is said.

Jerome:

Find out what those whispers are at the closing credits, the end credits

Jerome:

of Everything Everywhere all at once.

Jerome:

Yep.

Jerome:

Alright, so what do you got for 6 Degrees?

Chris:

6 Degrees, so I went, so I wanted to try and stump you this week.

Chris:

So, I actually went with, I was thought, I thought about some of the older actors,

Chris:

but they've all been in like, everything.

Chris:

Right.

Chris:

You know.

Jerome:

Everywhere.

Jerome:

All at once.

Chris:

So I went with the two younger actors, the, the girlfriends.

Chris:

Um, and I forgot the other one's name.

Jerome:

Stephanie Shu and, uh, Tali.

Jerome:

I don't know if it's Metal or Medel.

Jerome:

Yeah, I,

Chris:

I said Metal, but you could be right.

Chris:

It might be Medel.

Chris:

I'm not sure.

Chris:

But anyway, so, yeah, both of them and...

Chris:

You know, they're in fewer movies, but they've been in some.

Chris:

So I went with those two, and

Jerome:

I thought...

Jerome:

Here's the problem with both of them.

Jerome:

Because obviously I can't use this movie.

Jerome:

Yeah, exactly.

Jerome:

When you told me those were the two, I was going to say, that's

Jerome:

easy, they're in the same movie.

Jerome:

But, but obviously we're not going to cheat.

Jerome:

The problem with both of these is they have done a lot of TV and a lot of shorts.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

If you look at their history, it's all like this thing was 13 minutes long.

Jerome:

This thing was 20 minutes long.

Jerome:

This thing was 28 minutes long.

Jerome:

I know.

Jerome:

I did my homework.

Jerome:

And we know the rules.

Jerome:

You have to be in a feature length film.

Jerome:

Not television show, and we don't use directors.

Chris:

But they've been in other feature length films.

Jerome:

Yes, and so, you'll be happy to know...

Jerome:

That I nailed it again.

Jerome:

Oh, of course.

Jerome:

Now, again, again, again.

Jerome:

It's not about how smart I am.

Jerome:

The internet tells you a lot of things.

Jerome:

This one I didn't know.

Jerome:

Some of these I can get right off the top of my head.

Jerome:

This one I had to do some research on.

Jerome:

You had to work.

Jerome:

I had to work on this one.

Jerome:

But again, it's not about, so for those of you that are

Jerome:

saying, Oh, well then he cheated.

Jerome:

It's not about stumping me.

Jerome:

My brother misspoke just now when he said I tried to stump you.

Jerome:

We're trying to find, are there two people that cannot be connected.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

We almost had it this time.

Jerome:

You had to dig deep on these two.

Jerome:

I mean, again, we're taking out everything, everywhere, all at once.

Jerome:

Otherwise, it's one connection.

Jerome:

It's one degree, yeah.

Jerome:

Yeah, you take that degree out, and here's what you got.

Jerome:

So, Telly Medell, or Medell.

Jerome:

In 2020, it was in a movie called Omniboat with Adam Devine.

Jerome:

Adam Devine, of course, was in Why Him?

Jerome:

The movie with, uh, Bryan Cranston.

Jerome:

I love that movie.

Jerome:

Yeah, you saw that, right?

Jerome:

So the lead in that, the female in that, uh, Zoe Deutsch.

Jerome:

Uh huh.

Jerome:

She was in a 2018 movie called Set It Up with Stephanie Hsu.

Jerome:

No way.

Jerome:

Three degrees?

Jerome:

Three degrees.

Jerome:

Holy crap.

Jerome:

Omniboat, Why Him?

Jerome:

and Set It Up.

Jerome:

So even when you think...

Jerome:

It can't be done.

Jerome:

I'm impressed.

Jerome:

Sometimes those are the easiest connections.

Chris:

Yeah, I'm impressed because I looked, I looked at both their IMDBs

Chris:

and I'm like this is going to be tough.

Jerome:

Yeah, they do a lot, they have a lot of shorts and they've

Jerome:

done a lot of appearance on TV.

Jerome:

So, uh, again as we talk about the guys that do, uh, The Six Degrees of

Jerome:

Kevin Bacon, they have vast knowledge.

Jerome:

They do TVs, they do directors, they can probably do it in less than that.

Jerome:

But you know, we, we, we have a very strict rule when we do these podcasts.

Jerome:

We usually can't do the movies that we're talking about on that show.

Jerome:

Right.

Jerome:

And we don't do television shows, we don't do directors.

Jerome:

It's gotta be a feature length film.

Jerome:

So we make it a little tougher on ourselves, but

Jerome:

they pulled it off these two.

Jerome:

How about that?

Jerome:

And they're girlfriends in this movie.

Jerome:

How sweet.

Chris:

Yep.

Chris:

Three

Jerome:

degrees.

Jerome:

I actually loved, uh, tally's performance too, as the girlfriend because Yeah.

Jerome:

Um, She's just sort of like this, she's got, sort of got like a mixture throughout

Jerome:

the film of telling Stephanie Hsu's character Joy, like, who cares, let's

Jerome:

live our life, who cares what your family thinks, but at the same time she also

Jerome:

wants to be impressive to the family.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

Like every time she's around the family she's not mean or discourteous,

Jerome:

she's very sweet and very nice.

Jerome:

Very sweet.

Jerome:

And at

Chris:

one point...

Chris:

What did he say?

Chris:

It was so cute.

Jerome:

I was going to talk about.

Jerome:

Near the end, when, uh, I think his name is Gong Gong, as soon as James

Jerome:

Hong plays the grandpa, goes up to her and says, So you're the girlfriend?

Jerome:

The girlfriend, just refers to her as the girlfriend.

Jerome:

And she just smiles.

Jerome:

And that's when he speaks to her in Mandarin, yeah.

Jerome:

It's great.

Jerome:

And she says, what did he say?

Jerome:

So, she was fun too.

Jerome:

J you'd have to Google it, uh, or uh, rather YouTube it.

Jerome:

But Jimmy Kimmel had a great line at the Oscars too, and he's talking about

Jerome:

James Hong, who was at the Oscars and Jimmy Kimmel's doing his monologue.

Jerome:

And he had some really great ones, some really great jokes.

Jerome:

And one of them was, he said, James Hong, who's like 90, you know,

Jerome:

he's like 92 years old or whatever.

Jerome:

Remember, he was on Seinfeld as well.

Jerome:

Yeah, Seinfeld 4.

Jerome:

Seinfeld 4!

Jerome:

Cartwright!

Jerome:

Cartwright!

Jerome:

That was a great comedy bit.

Jerome:

And Costanza's like, uh, was there a phone call for me?

Jerome:

Yes, I yell, Cartwright, no one answers, so I hung up.

Jerome:

Copyright this car.

Jerome:

Anyway, so James, that was

Chris:

one of the, one of the few Seinfeld episodes.

Chris:

That all was done in one scene.

Chris:

One, yeah.

Jerome:

One set.

Jerome:

One set.

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

One, one.

Jerome:

Setting the Chinese restaurant.

Jerome:

That was great.

Jerome:

I think that was the name of the episode.

Jerome:

Chinese Restaurant.

Chris:

The entire time.

Chris:

The entire episode is The Waiting For a Table.

Chris:

I loved that episode.

Jerome:

And James Hong is the Midy and it's so great.

Jerome:

If you haven't seen, if you're not a fan of Seinfeld, watch that one

Jerome:

episode just as watch James Hong.

Jerome:

Yeah, it's, it's gold.

Jerome:

But anyway.

Jerome:

Um, so Jimmy Kimmel has points about, he says, I, again, I have to paraphrase,

Jerome:

I don't know by heart, but he says a lot of people don't know this, that

Jerome:

along with a long, uh, uh, in addition to a long acting career, prior to

Jerome:

his acting, he was a civil engineer.

Jerome:

Uh, in the city of Los Angeles, and he's like, so I want to congratulate James

Jerome:

Hong for a wonderfully fantastic Hollywood career and a very, uh, subpar career as

Jerome:

a civil engineer, because the roads in L.

Jerome:

A.

Jerome:

are fucking terrible.

Jerome:

Yeah, gridlock every day.

Jerome:

Yeah, he gives a little, well, and no, I mean just like the roads,

Jerome:

like the roads themselves, so he gives a little dig at them.

Jerome:

This is pretty funny, but anyway.

Jerome:

Jimmy Kimmel, uh, he had some good ones.

Jerome:

That's good.

Jerome:

Um, yeah, some people just watch the Oscars for that opening monologue and

Jerome:

then they just, you know, tune out.

Jerome:

Um, but anyway, uh, it was a great film, definitely deserving of all

Jerome:

its Oscars, all of its Oscars.

Chris:

Yep.

Chris:

I would, I would like to hear from the listener, if you did not like

Chris:

it for whatever reason, let us know.

Chris:

Um, and if you liked it, let us know that too.

Chris:

I'd love to hear other opinions.

Chris:

you got anything else?

Chris:

You want to jump

Jerome:

through it?

Jerome:

Again, we talk about all the time about when we do these, you can always

Jerome:

tell if it's going to be a good script or not by how many writers, right?

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

If it's like got six writers, then you're like, oh.

Jerome:

Um, again, the writers and directors, the Daniels, they wrote

Jerome:

it and directed it themselves.

Jerome:

Right, right.

Jerome:

So, you know,

Chris:

When there's six writers, it's like they brought in

Chris:

the men in black to clean it

Jerome:

up.

Jerome:

Yeah, yeah.

Jerome:

They just say, erase memories.

Jerome:

They brought in the dirty dozen just, you know, let's

Jerome:

everybody, everybody add a piece.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like everybody, you write a scene, you write a scene, you write a scene.

Jerome:

There's no cohesiveness to it.

Jerome:

Um, so, but, you know, again, this way you find the films

Jerome:

that have really good scripts.

Jerome:

It's always one writer or two writers tops.

Jerome:

This one had two writers, but there were also the two directors.

Jerome:

So like the Coen brothers, you ever noticed the Coen brothers

Jerome:

always have fantastic screenplays because those two are in sync.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Like they know exactly what they want and, and we get it

Jerome:

with this one with the Daniels.

Jerome:

So if you have not seen everything everywhere all at once, um, see it just

Jerome:

what, even if you hate it, just watch it.

Jerome:

Um, because, you know, uh, I, I just, my

Chris:

mother in law, my mother in law was over the other day, and and my, uh,

Chris:

and my sister in law, they were both over, and my, that's when Jessie was finishing

Chris:

the movie, uh, that she fell asleep during, because it was overwhelming.

Chris:

Which sister in law?

Chris:

Katie, so Katie, Katie and my mother in law Cindy were over and they're

Chris:

watching it with Jesse and it was like some of the most insane stuff I

Chris:

think it was the hot dog fingers and everything and I comment I'm like,

Chris:

so, um, I do recommend, you know, well, I don't, I didn't say recommend.

Chris:

I said, uh, I said something like, I did hear that this movie makes way

Chris:

more sense if you're on mushrooms.

Chris:

And they just looked at me and laughed.

Chris:

And I said, not that I've done that, I haven't, but, you know.

Jerome:

I couldn't imagine watching this movie on drugs.

Jerome:

Oh, I know.

Jerome:

It's crazy enough.

Jerome:

In fact, the movie is like you're on drugs.

Jerome:

Yes.

Jerome:

Anyway, um, yeah, so, uh, again, a rarity that we dedicated an entire

Jerome:

show on one movie, but it was worth it.

Jerome:

Seven Oscars.

Jerome:

You gotta watch it.

Jerome:

It is the movie of the year.

Chris:

Had to give them the props for a set with seven Oscars.

Chris:

I mean, goodness.

Jerome:

Yeah, I mean, it is.

Jerome:

And it's a movie everyone's talking about.

Jerome:

You know what I mean?

Jerome:

So, and, uh, three of the four.

Jerome:

Oscars for acting.

Jerome:

Huge.

Jerome:

And the fourth one WAS everything, everywhere, all it was.

Jerome:

It's still a great line.

Jerome:

I don't care.

Jerome:

It's great.

Jerome:

It's genius.

Jerome:

It's genius.

Jerome:

Anyway, someday we will talk about The Whale.

Jerome:

Because as dark as that was, Brendan Fraser's performance can't be ignored.

Jerome:

So we may actually have to do a show on The Whale.

Chris:

I think, I think, I told you, I think a good pairing for that

Chris:

movie, weirdly, would be Uncut Gems.

Jerome:

For the whale?

Chris:

Yeah, just because and I guess the common theme It's it's it's it's

Chris:

dark and foreboding in a similar way because in Uncut Gems Adam Sandler

Chris:

plays A gambling addict, right?

Chris:

And so in a way, you know, in, in the whale, he's got a food eating disorder,

Chris:

which there's similar oppressive, like oppressiveness to that kind of

Chris:

disorder that, that consumes you.

Chris:

Um, it's, it's different.

Jerome:

It's definitely different because his, it's not like, but

Jerome:

he, I don't even know if I would call it an eating disorder, because

Jerome:

he didn't have it his whole life.

Jerome:

No.

Jerome:

He had that traumatic experience.

Jerome:

Yeah, that's true.

Jerome:

Which caused him to be a shut in.

Jerome:

Yes.

Jerome:

And that, you know, one day it snowballed, right?

Jerome:

Yeah.

Jerome:

So he would always been a big guy.

Jerome:

They mention in the movies that he was a big guy, but this

Jerome:

snowballed into excessiveness.

Jerome:

Right, right.

Jerome:

Um.

Jerome:

And, man, Uncupped Gens, that was another difficult one to watch, just

Jerome:

in the way of, uh, I was on edge.

Jerome:

The whole movie is very uneasy.

Chris:

Well, and that's what I mean, because in The Whale,

Chris:

I had that same feeling.

Chris:

Same anxiety?

Chris:

Yeah.

Chris:

So everything about the whale, we should save this for the episode, but

Chris:

everything about the whale was oppressive.

Chris:

I mean, even the way they did it on the big screen, did you notice

Chris:

it wasn't on the big screen?

Chris:

They condensed it to a smaller frame.

Chris:

Or a smaller aspect ratio.

Chris:

And they did that on purpose.

Chris:

They did that on purpose so that the person, so that

Chris:

Brendan Fraser seemed bigger.

Chris:

Yeah.

Chris:

Cause he filled up that little space on the screen.

Chris:

I thought that was brilliant.

Jerome:

And I want to say the story or the script was actually based on a play.

Jerome:

I think it was a play.

Jerome:

A lot of times you get that when you see films that are all one set.

Jerome:

Mostly one set and you're like, man, it's kind of claustrophobic.

Jerome:

Well, it's a it's because it's a play Like when you go and you watch

Jerome:

a play on Broadway or whatever Yeah, very rarely are there multiple sets.

Jerome:

It's usually like, you know, somebody's apartment You know what I mean?

Jerome:

Or a house or something.

Jerome:

And it's usually a relationship drama.

Jerome:

That makes sense.

Jerome:

I didn't even think about that.

Jerome:

So I think it is based on a play.

Jerome:

But you're right about the aspect ratio.

Jerome:

I mean, Darren Aronofsky directed that film.

Jerome:

That dude's a master.

Jerome:

If you're not familiar with Darren Aronofsky, go look at

Jerome:

his IMDB and watch those movies.

Jerome:

It'll trip you right the fuck out.

Jerome:

He's a really good filmmaker.

Jerome:

So when I heard that he was directing The Whale, I was

Jerome:

like, oh, this is gonna be good.

Jerome:

And you're right.

Jerome:

Yeah, it is shot like it's...

Jerome:

Like you're watching it on your television.

Jerome:

Right, exactly.

Jerome:

It's, it's, it's not a wide screen.

Jerome:

You know, even in the theater, even in the theater.

Jerome:

And I remember thinking when I went to go see it, and it started

Jerome:

with the box, I was like, Oh, somebody up there needs to fix that.

Jerome:

That's not right.

Jerome:

I'm like looking up at the projector, and I'm like, Hey, uh, hey, Frank!

Jerome:

It's, it's, it's not widescreen.

Jerome:

You gotta fix that.

Jerome:

That's not right.

Chris:

I know, I thought the exact same thing.

Chris:

And I can't remember, I think, I can't remember if it was that night

Chris:

or later, Jesse, my wife, like, googled it, and she's like, Oh, look,

Chris:

they actually did that on purpose.

Chris:

I'm like, oh, well, okay.

Jerome:

That makes sense.

Jerome:

That makes sense.

Jerome:

That makes sense.

Jerome:

That makes sense.

Jerome:

But anyway, we actually jumped off onto another film.

Jerome:

Yeah, we did.

Jerome:

Man, we do that shit.

Jerome:

Yep.

Jerome:

Alright, sign us

Chris:

off.

Chris:

Yeah, this was a good one.

Chris:

So, um, until next time.

Chris:

Cheers!

Jerome:

Cheers!

Jerome:

And head to your local multiplex.

Chris:

And that is where we landed the plane on this one.

Chris:

Um, since you're still listening, I know that you, uh, either are tied up somewhere

Chris:

and someone's torturing you by making you listen to this, or you really enjoyed it.

Chris:

So, I'm gonna go with you enjoyed it, and I'm just gonna ask you a favor.

Chris:

Um, share it.

Chris:

Share it on social media, tag us in a post, and um, we will see that, we will

Chris:

be appreciative, and we might even give you a shout out on the next episode.

Chris:

And again, I want to repeat what my brother said, get to a local

Chris:

theater and enjoy some movies.

Chris:

Until next time, from my brother Jerome, I'm Chris Wiegand.

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Born and raised in Metro Detroit, Michigan. Graduate of Columbia College Chicago with a degree in Film/Screenwriting. Have lived in California since 2001. I enjoy screenwriting, script consulting and film analysis.
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