Episode 11
Bonnie and Clyde (1967) Love on the Run - Part One
Exploring 'Bonnie and Clyde' (1967) - LOVE ON THE RUN Part 1
In this episode, we dive deep into the classic film 'Bonnie and Clyde' (1967) and tease 'True Romance' (1993) - Love on the Run Part 2.
This two-part series kicks off with a thorough analysis of 'Bonnie and Clyde,' directed by Arthur Penn. Chris explores the film's critical scenes, character arcs, and thematic elements while sipping on a Miller Genuine Draft, setting the tone for a lively discussion. Tune in to hear a breakdown of the plot structure, notable moments, and behind-the-scenes trivia, along with a comparison to other crime films. Stay tuned for part two, where 'True Romance' takes center stage!
00:00 Introduction and Announcements
00:26 Setting the Scene: Miller Genuine Draft and Movie Pairing
02:10 Behind the Scenes: Podcast Delays and Personal Updates
03:56 Happy Hour Begins: Tequila and True Romance
07:14 Bonnie and Clyde: Movie Overview and Initial Impressions
09:31 Bonnie and Clyde: Historical Context and Critical Reception
14:49 Breaking Down Bonnie and Clyde: Plot and Themes
18:12 Analyzing the Structure: Beats and Arcs
28:42 Buck and Blanche: A New Dynamic
29:10 Blanche's Role in the Story
29:40 Fun and Games Turn Deadly
30:26 Media Frenzy and Rising Fame
31:01 Gene Wilder's Comical Debut
32:10 Bonnie's Reality Check
33:03 Clyde's Sexuality: A Debate
37:52 The Family Reunion
38:36 The Final Shootout
46:26 The End of the Crime Spree
48:46 Legacy and Trivia
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Transcript
Hey, this is Chris Wiegand and you're listening to
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:the Silver Screen Happy Hour.
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:This was one of those extra long
happy hours, so we are going to
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:split this into two episodes.
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:I'm not going to waste
any time up front here.
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:I just want to ask you if you enjoy
our show, please share it with others.
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:You can find us on Facebook and Instagram
and let us know what movie you'd
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:like us to cover on a future episode.
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:We're going to start
this recording off right.
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:I got a Miller High Life.
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:Miller Genuine Draft.
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:Jerome: A Miller Genuine Draft, and
how does that tie into today's show?
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:Chris: Oh, well, I'm glad you asked.
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:What are we doing anyway?
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:There's several I think there's
several scenes where a Miller
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:Genuine Draft is being consumed.
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:I think one at the beginning
of the movie, I think, uh
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:Jerome: Have we told the audience
what movies we're even doing?
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:Chris: No!
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:They looked at the podcast uh,
headline, they know what's going on.
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:So we're going to be talking about
Bonnie and Clyde and True Romance.
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:True Romance is one of my favorite movies.
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:And so, yeah, there's a, in True Romance,
there's a couple of scenes where you can
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:clearly see the bottle of Miller Genuine
raft, which was pretty hot in:
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:Was it four?
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:Jerome: Yeah, 94.
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:No, 93.
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:Chris: 93.
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:I can't remember.
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:Look it up, look it up.
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:We're recording now.
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:Jerome: It's 93.
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:It's 1993.
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:Trust me.
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:Now, here is a funny thing about
this, and I might mention it
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:several times in today's show.
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:Yeah.
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:But if we really wanted to pair.
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:A Tarantino script about criminals
on the run to pair with Bonnie and
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:Clyde, it actually isn't True Romance.
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:Natural Born Killers would have been a
far better pairing, but I think you and
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:I just love True Romance so badly we, we
fought to get it, to get this episode.
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:And I just off the top of my head,
instead of like picking Bonnie and Clyde
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:and trying to find a movie to pair with
it, we went with True Romance and tried
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:to find a movie that paired with that.
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:So so yeah.
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:Chris: I feel like I need to
apologize, and I'll probably do this
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:on the other episodes I'm editing.
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:Apologize, first of all, to my brother.
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:For It's taken forever
getting, getting things edited.
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:We, we've mentioned in the, I
don't even know if anyone, any
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:of our listeners have heard.
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:Cause we haven't put anything
on social media or anything.
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:We kind of fell off the grid.
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:But it's because you have, you
had a big building project.
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:You still have a big building
project going on, I think.
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:But you got your studio done.
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:We had a, you know, huge move.
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:We moved in April and it's just been
nuts trying to get everything situated
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:with contractors and things that
need to be fixed up in this house.
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:And so we're finally, now it's, the date
is June, it's in June, it's Father's Day
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:the weather's great and the last week, It
was like we were ready to record and, and
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:and I had to remind my brother about my
boat policy about weather, boat weather.
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:Jerome: I think that
was the last two weeks.
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:Wasn't it?
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:Chris: Maybe, I don't know.
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:But yeah, when, when the weather's
nice, you drop everything
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:and you go on the water.
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:I mean,
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:Jerome: we got to figure out
how to do these recordings
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:while you're on your boat.
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:Chris: It's not like
that would be awesome.
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:It's not like California where every
day is sunshine and, you know, 91 today.
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:So, yeah, so yeah, I apologize for
the delays, but it's summer, I mean,
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:we've gone through this in the past
where, you know, the summer schedule
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:Last year I did a lot better though,
we were able to bank some and then
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:continue and get them out on schedule,
but it's just been with the moves.
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:Jerome: I think we had more than we can.
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:Chris: Yeah, with the moves
though, I mean, I didn't even
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:have an office to work in.
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:And so, yeah, but things are
starting to come together.
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:We both had been dying to do this episode.
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:Jerome: Yes.
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:Yes.
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:Chris: So today it's happy hour.
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:Jerome: So today is definitely
happy hour and I am preparing today.
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:I'm doing more than just
drinking my usual lightsabers.
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:I have a treat today.
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:Glass
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:ice bucket.
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:Can you hear all this?
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:Chris: Oh yeah.
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:See the ice going in the glass.
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:Hang on.
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:I should have
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:Jerome: had an ice scooper.
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:That's enough.
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:Alright.
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:Next.
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:Tequila.
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:Chris: Oh.
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:Jerome: Now this is pertinent
to kind of both movies.
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:Bonnie and Clyde takes place in the south.
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:And although it's multi state.
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:Chris: Yeah, can we talk
about their accents?
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:Jerome: Tequila is a sort of a
southern state kind of drink, I think.
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:Chris: Can we talk about their accents?
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:Jerome: We'll get to the accents.
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:So bad.
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:And then bonding true
romance ends in Mexico.
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:So, tequila is the drink of the day, but
it's not just your regular old margarita.
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:I have here
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:Hang on.
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:Oh no, what is that?
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:It's not fentanyl, don't worry.
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:Chris: Is that red dye number five?
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:Jerome: It's one red
dot and one violet dot.
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:Now I have to tell you
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:how many concoctions of these, how much
of these I had to drink over the last few
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:weeks to get the color scheme correct.
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:Because here's what we're gonna do.
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:In honor, mostly, of true romance.
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:The purple Cadillac.
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:I'm gonna do my best Christopher Walken.
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:Clarence's Purple Cadillac.
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:Chris: Ha ha ha ha ha.
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:Nice.
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:Nice.
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:Pretty good.
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:Jerome: Yeah, it's as
close as I could get, man.
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:I drank probably 40 margaritas
over the last three weeks.
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:Mixing all different colors and
trying to get the color scheme right.
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:This is the best I could get.
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:And it's, it's You know what?
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:I think I did, I was supposed to
do two drops of violet, I think.
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:Well, on the next one, I'll
do two drops of violet.
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:Because there is going to be a next one.
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:This is my in honor of Clarence's
Purple Cadillac, I'm going
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:to call this my Clarencita.
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:Chris: Cheers.
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:Jerome: Cheers.
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:Chris: Alright.
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:Jerome: Ahhh.
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:Chris: So, yeah, I was gonna mention
in True Romance, there's a scene
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:where Floyd, played by Brad Pitt,
asks his roommates to get some beers.
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:I think he asks for a
Miller Genuine Draft.
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:If
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:Jerome: I He, no, he, he just says beer.
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:Chris: He just says beer?
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:Because he had a Miller Genuine Draft.
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:Jerome: Oh, yeah, they're all, yeah,
they're definitely all over the movie.
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:Chris: Yeah, so they
got a check from Miller.
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:Jerome: There's something else,
there's something else that's all
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:over the movie.
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:There's something else
that's all over the movie.
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:No, Miller is Miller is Miller Coors.
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:Oh, yeah.
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:So I do have my lightsabers though, and
if I have to break out of the margaritas
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:later I do have my my tall cans.
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:So there is something else other than
Miller Genuine Draft That's all over
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:True Romance, but we'll get to it.
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:It's a nice, it's a nice little thing
you see in just about every scene Not
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:every scene, but definitely scenes
that take place in people's houses.
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:Yeah, but okay So let's
start with Bonnie and Clyde.
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:Chris: Mm hmm
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:Jerome: So I'm going to give you
the specs first before we talk about
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:the first time we ever seen it.
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:So it's 1967, directed by Arthur Penn,
written by David Newman and Robert
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:Benton with some script consulting
by Robert Towne, which is interesting
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:because Towne wasn't huge yet.
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:He didn't get huge until he did Chinatown.
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:He was still a known writer in Hollywood,
but Chinatown was his, was definitely
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:the crown and his The jewel in his crown.
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:This is actually based on
a real life true story.
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:And the movie's a running time of one
hour, 51 minutes, had a budget of 2.
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:5 million which adjusting for
inflation today is still only about
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:23 million by today's numbers.
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:Not much.
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:Which is still, yeah, still would be
considered a very low budget film.
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:It was released on August 14th,
:
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:7 million, which is 474
million by today's numbers.
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:So even if you look at that,
that's still a huge hit.
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:Oh yeah.
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:In any era.
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:It's also interesting to note that
it bombed in its first release.
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:Really?
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:And then they pulled it.
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:And then I can't remember
what happened, but they just
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:said, Oh, I guess it was bit.
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:So here's what happened.
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:They released it in the States and
bombed for like a couple of weeks.
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:They pulled it, they released
it in Europe and it killed.
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:And then all of a sudden everyone
was like, Hey, what's this
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:movie that's going on in Europe?
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:We got it.
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:Why isn't it being released
here in the States?
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:The Warner brothers was like, we did
release it, but okay, we'll release
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:it again, and then it took off and
had to be huge in Europe first to
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:get the word of buzz going, I guess.
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:Chris: That's pretty weird.
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:Jerome: It came, it ended up coming in at.
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:Fifth at the box office behind
The Graduate, The Jungle Book,
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:a reissue of Gone with the Wind.
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:Gone with the Wind still
finished third that year.
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:And guess who's coming to dinner?
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:Chris: So wait a minute.
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:So when they released it, Do
you know where they released it?
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:I'm wondering if they did this massive
push in the South and they were
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:probably like, those accents suck.
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:Jerome: Maybe, maybe, maybe.
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:I don't remember.
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:I'd have to research that, but I
know that they released it, then
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:pulled it and then released it again.
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:Chris: That's funny.
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:Jerome: Um, It did garner 10 Oscar
nominations, including two in the same
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:category, both Gene Hackman and Michael J.
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:Pollard in the best
supporting actor category.
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:Neither one.
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:It won only two Oscars best
supporting actress Estelle Parsons.
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:And the Cinematography by Burnett Giuffre.
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:It stars Warren Beatty, a young
Warren Beatty as Clyde Barrow
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:Faye Dunaway as Bonnie Parker.
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:Michael J.
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:Pollard as CW Moss, gene Hackman as
Buck Barrow, Estelle Parsons as Blanche
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:Barrow and Denver Pile as Frank Hamer.
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:Also, you probably noticed Gene
Wilder in his first film appearance.
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:Chris: That was his first film?
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:Jerome: His first film, playing Eugene.
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:Yeah.
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:Which, we'll get to that too,
but terrible acting on his part.
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:I don't know how he ended up
making a huge career, because
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:his acting in this is so good.
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:But maybe it was done
like that on purpose.
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:There is a lot about the acting.
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:Oh my gosh.
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:So I did like, I, I did like
the leads and I liked Hackman.
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:I always like Hackman.
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:Hackman's always good.
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:And I, and I did like the leads.
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:They were charismatic.
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:Chris: Can we talk about some, I mean,
when Warren Beatty's shooting his guns
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:for the first time I saw him shoot
his, He's like shooting from the hip.
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:I'm like, come on, man.
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:It was so fake.
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:It was over the top.
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:Jerome: But he was right on, like he
was, he was, and actually I was going
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:to save it for later but one of my
favorite lines in the movie is where
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:he's shooting all those bottles and
and, and Bonnie goes, wow, you're good.
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:He goes, I'm not good.
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:I'm the best.
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:Like he's offended that
she would even say good.
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:Right.
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:Okay.
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:So when was the first time
you ever saw this movie?
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:Chris: when I was getting
ready for this podcast.
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:That was the first time, yeah.
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:Jerome: And what'd you think?
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:Chris: I mean,
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:Jerome: Other than the
things you already shit on.
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:Chris: Yeah, it's worth watching,
but I totally was just laughing
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:at the accents and like, it was
kinda, to me it was almost silly.
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:But, but it got, it got real.
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:I mean, because they start
killing people, you know?
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:And then I remember reading, you
know, finding out how much of it
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:was actually true and it's like 5
percent or something is actually true.
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:But the, the, some of the critical
stats though, I think they said that
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:the number of bodies that's accurate.
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:Jerome: Yeah.
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:Chris: So a lot of the storyline,
they just kind of made up, you
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:know, and how they, well, and
how they went out was real too.
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:Like that's, yeah, that part was real too.
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:The ambush.
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:Yeah.
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:So,
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:Jerome: I first saw this in college.
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:I took a films of the sixties class.
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:And it had a lot of great movies.
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:In fact, it was, it was the class I took
in college that got me into Bob Dylan.
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on Bob Dylan that I saw there
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:Was all in at that point, started buying a
bunch of Bob Dylan albums and everything.
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:But one of the movies they showed
in that class was Bonnie and Clyde.
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:It was so, they talked a lot
about how groundbreaking it was.
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:Because up until this movie, there
wasn't a lot of violence shown in films.
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:You know we look at it today.
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:And like you said, it comes off
kind of silly, but think about
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:how desensitized we are to movie
violence, everything we've seen.
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:But back in 1967, this movie
was a fucking shocker, man.
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:Like people were walking out of
that, like the, like today, like
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:I can't even think of a movie today that
would shock people as far as violence.
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:Yeah, like people, yeah, I
mean, and imagine saw eight
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:being nominated for 10 Oscars,
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:right?
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:So, so this was really
groundbreaking at the time.
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:I loved it the first time I saw it.
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:I hadn't seen it since college.
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:But when we decided to do it for
the podcast, I actually bought
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:And I noticed a little bit
more now being so much older, a
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:It's shot so much like how the
French films used to be shot.
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:You know, a lot of the closeups, like
particularly in the first five minutes
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:of the movie, there's a lot of closeups
of Faye Dunaway's face and her eyes.
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:And, you know, that's a lot of how
those French films were made back then.
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:It's like, wow, this is really shot.
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:Interestingly there's a lot of sexual
innuendo, particularly in the first, you
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:know, five, 10 minutes where she's like,
he's holding his gun between his legs
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:The way she's.
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:Yeah, like the way she's, the, the,
the way she's drinking from the
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:Coke bottle, you know with her lips
and her tongue and all that shit.
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:Chris: Well, and the, wasn't it the
opening scene when she meets him?
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:She's naked upstairs, right?
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:Jerome: Yeah.
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:Chris: And you know, the curtains
are kind of covering her, but
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but make no mistake for:
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biggest movies of the year.
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:Alright, log me.
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:Chris: Oh crap, I'm not prepared.
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:Pause.
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:Bored waitress Bonnie Parker falls
in love with an ex con named Clyde
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:Barrow, and together they start a
violent crime spree through the country,
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:stealing cars and robbing banks.
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:Didn't even mention the murders, but.
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:Jerome: Right.
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:Well, but this is interesting.
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:So this is going to really play a part
with our breakdowns that we normally do.
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:For those of you that have heard our
show before, we pull a lot from Blake
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:Those are the, you'll recognize
those names as we use the beat names.
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stuff from Syd Field and Robert
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:It's it's mostly Blake Snyder driven
if you haven't, if you're a beginning
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:writer and you haven't read the Save the
Cat trilogy of books by Blake Snyder,
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where we're pulling from, and it's hard,
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:and some movies are so easy to break down
with the beats, some of them are a little
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:bit more difficult, and you'd think,
like, it's hard to depict an act one in
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:this movie, they meet so early, mm hmm.
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:And they're into each other so
early and you're like, well, where
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:But it's really, you look no further
than the log line and we'll do
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:The log line kind of tells you
when the story gets moving.
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:When they say start a violent crime
spree, that's pretty much your act two.
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:We talked a lot in the past
about flat arcs where the lead
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:characters, the protagonists,
they don't really change much.
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:They'd kind of make the same choices
at the end that they would at the
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don't necessarily learn any lesson.
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:It just seems like maybe the world
around them has changed a bit or how
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:people see them has changed, but they
themselves really hasn't changed much.
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:An argument can be made that both
Bonnie and Clyde are flat arcs because
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:they pretty much know what they want
right off the bat in the beginning.
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:They don't seem to learn any specific
lesson necessarily, at least not
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much a clear theme for Bonnie.
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we get the theme stated.
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if there's an arc at all.
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:It's that the level of notoriety and
infamy that you know, perhaps that
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:they were seeking, I don't think that
they anticipated that they would, their
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:And that's sort of like, we talked a
little bit about it with, in the Hoffa
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:episode that we did, you know, right?
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:Where um, The tweaks that we would have
made at the end that we made the movie
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:Speak more to you know, James R's sort
of legacy and that he's his name would
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:live forever I don't know if he ever
really figured that Bonnie and Clyde
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:that might be part of their arc at all
if there is an arc which isn't much
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:of one Like I said, it's pretty flat
But if there's an argument to be made
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:at all, it's, it's possibly that they
achieved the level of, of notoriety that
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:we're still talking about them today,
you know, and, and not just because a
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:movie was made, you know, like I said,
there's a based on real life people.
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:All right.
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:So opening image.
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:We get photos of our criminals in
their youth over the opening credits,
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contrast to the ending, but it pretty
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:Nobody's right.
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:And that's where I think the flip comes
at the closing image, because by the
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Working on this four point push of mine.
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:For those of you that don't know, the four
point push is not part of Blake Snyder's
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:Very often you'll see where movies go
right to, they jumped to the second
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:Like there might be one catalyst and
then boom, you're in the second act.
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:Rarely does it work.
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:The one example I always use
where it does work is Raiders.
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:Raiders are the Lost Ark.
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:There are no inciting incidents.
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:There is no debates.
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:There is just, he gets the visit
from the government guys that say
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:we need you to go look for the ARC.
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:And then boom, we're in Act II
and he's going after the ARC.
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:Like, there is, they didn't
have to convince him.
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:There was no debate.
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:Chris: And I guess it works for that movie
because part of the character development
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:of Indiana Jones is that you learn that
he's this person that like, that he's,
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:he's passionate to find these artifacts.
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:Jerome: Right.
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:Yeah, absolutely.
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:Chris: So he didn't need much of a
push, but that was part of his, his
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:character, you know development.
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:So to speak.
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:Jerome: Sure.
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:But I mean, but that's a rare example
where you can have basically one
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:catalyst And that starts the whole thing.
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:If there was an inciting incident at
all, you might say, well, Belloc is
428
:introduced in the first scene, but
that's not really an inciting incident
429
:that has anything to do with the arc.
430
:Chris: Right.
431
:Jerome: You know, so, but, but that's
an example of a movie where it works.
432
:So many other movies
that doesn't work, right?
433
:I think what Blake Snyder used
to write in his books is that
434
:the more the better, right?
435
:The more things, the more beats that
happen to, to force your, your protagonist
436
:into act two, the better, because let's
be honest, usually, usually not always,
437
:but usually your protagonist doesn't
want the upside down world, right?
438
:They, they, they like, they like
where their life is and they don't
439
:want to go into the second act
where everything's all upside down.
440
:And their world is completely changing.
441
:Usually that's what drives.
442
:But in movies like this, Bonnie and
Clyde, whether it's a flat arc, he
443
:already, they already know what they want.
444
:They can't wait to jump into
act two, but there's still
445
:some stuff that has to happen.
446
:So they still do hit some beats.
447
:So the inciting incident, the
first one of the four point push
448
:Bonnie, of course, meets Clyde in
the first four minutes of the film.
449
:She catches him trying to
steal her mother's car.
450
:And that, the reason that's the
inciting incident is because you don't
451
:have a story without this, right?
452
:It's the first hint that Bonnie's
boring world is about to change.
453
:Catalyst.
454
:Eight minutes in, the second point of
the four point push, Clyde proves himself
455
:to Bonnie and robs the grocery store.
456
:It's also their actual first introductions
as we are set in motion, when they
457
:actually tell each other their last names.
458
:They haven't really even, they go for
a walk, and he tells her where he's
459
:from, and he says that he's a criminal,
and she dares him to touch her.
460
:to prove it and he does.
461
:They don't even really
know each other yet.
462
:But we're not quite in act two yet because
remember, what did the logline say?
463
:Starting a violent crime
spree through the country.
464
:That hasn't happened yet.
465
:Just because he robbed a grocery store,
well that, that ain't really shit, right?
466
:Um, So we're not in act two yet.
467
:By the way, and I mentioned this
already, there's a lot of sexual
468
:undertones that Penn shoots Arthur
Penn shoots in these scenes.
469
:Gun between his legs, the
coke bottle, all that stuff.
470
:Okay, point three of the four
point push is the debate.
471
:Here is where the
structure gets interesting.
472
:I think this is just my opinion, but I
think we have a very long debate here.
473
:Because Clyde tries to show
off and desperately trying to
474
:coerce Bonnie into following him.
475
:At the 10 minute mark, we learn
that Clyde isn't much of a lover.
476
:And by the way, this will
serve as a rule of three later.
477
:We've talked about rule of three.
478
:By the time people are listening to
this, they will already hopefully have
479
:listened to raising Fargo where we,
where we break down the rule of three.
480
:But he.
481
:Like intrigues her desire to
break free from her boring life.
482
:Theme stated at the 12 minute
mark Clyde suggests he knows all
483
:about Bonnie's boring and mundane
life and ends his speech to her
484
:By saying and this is a quote now when and
how am I ever gonna get away from this?
485
:And now, you know, end quote.
486
:So he, you know, he's trying to do
it from her point of view that she's,
487
:you know, goes home and thinks about
this and he's giving her a chance to
488
:break free from her her boring life.
489
:And that seals it for her, right?
490
:She's ready to see more about
what Clyde can provide, right?
491
:She's already kind of like
wanting to get out of this this.
492
:This boring life that
she has so more debate.
493
:We're still not technically into act
two yet because while bonnie might
494
:seem like she's in she's all in on this
upside down world She isn't because
495
:she can always change her mind and
go back home, right the second they
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:shoot somebody in the face You're in
now you're in there is no going home.
497
:Now.
498
:Now you're wanted at this point.
499
:She's not wanted She's not an accessory
to anything but a grocery store
500
:She can always turn, she can
always change her mind and go home.
501
:Clyde certainly isn't in the upside down
world yet because this is his world.
502
:He hasn't really changed much yet either.
503
:He's already been a criminal.
504
:We know he's a criminal.
505
:So I wouldn't say that
we're yet in act two.
506
:Um, So that's why I said
that it's interesting.
507
:This seems to have a long debate segment.
508
:The first act
509
:he has to impress her with
a little target practice.
510
:That's the one where she says, you
know, he says, I'm not, I'm not good.
511
:I'm the best.
512
:There's a nice little save the cat
moment to around about 13 minutes in
513
:now again, save the cat, which is not
just the name of Blake Snyder's books,
514
:but it's, it's a, it's a, it's a beat.
515
:It's an entity.
516
:What the save the cat actually
means is your protagonist,
517
:particularly an unlikable one.
518
:Needs to do something in the beginning
of the film that makes the audience
519
:want to root for them, right?
520
:It's broken down more into rooting
resumes all the things that people can
521
:do to, to root for a character, right?
522
:There's always examples.
523
:I love the one that Blake Snyder mentions
in the movie sea of love with Al Pacino.
524
:That's kind of a long one.
525
:I want to get into it now, but a
little quick ones, Rocky, right?
526
:In the beginning of Rocky, we see
Rocky go to a bar and he sees a bum
527
:on the steps and it's cold outside.
528
:It's Philadelphia in the wintertime.
529
:He picks him up and carries him into
the bar and puts him into a bar seat.
530
:You know what I mean?
531
:Like, just something that's, you
know, like, this is a good guy.
532
:You know, he does something good.
533
:He does something nice.
534
:So Clyde has one of these.
535
:Thirteen minutes in, he
meets Otis and Davis.
536
:And he, he, cause they're firing off the
bullets and it tracks your attention.
537
:They're at the house that the bank
had taken from Otis and Davis.
538
:And they're obviously upset about it.
539
:They let them, they give them their
guns and they let them take a few shots
540
:at the house and shit the windows out.
541
:So it's a nice little moment of,
and, and that kind of sets another
542
:tone too, about this movie really
plays on depression era, right?
543
:And how.
544
:They're almost, they're almost
like Robin Hoods in a way.
545
:It's not, well, they're not
Rob Robin Hoods stole from
546
:the rich and gave to the poor.
547
:Bonnie and Clyde's crew
never gave to the poor.
548
:But, but they were almost heroes to
the poor, you know, because there
549
:were anti establishment, you know,
anti government, anti everything.
550
:So they were heroes to all these people
in the depression era that were poor,
551
:broke, out of jobs, losing their homes.
552
:So that kind of sets that up.
553
:So these debate moments for
Bonnie continue as Clyde
554
:tries to rob a defunct bank.
555
:The grocery, the grocery stick
up that goes wrong where the
556
:guy starts to attack Clyde.
557
:And that's where they meet C.
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:W.
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:Moss, who is there to fix up their car,
but they invite him to come along on
560
:their little you know, to create a gang.
561
:The debunked bank robbery scene
reminded me of a:
562
:Tough Guys with Kirk Douglas and Burt
Lancaster, where there are these old
563
:guys that get released from prison
for robbing a bank like 30 years ago.
564
:And they decide like this,
they decide to kind of get back
565
:into being criminals again.
566
:So they rob an armored car.
567
:And the only thing in it
is a roll of quarters.
568
:There was no money in it.
569
:So like when I saw this scene,
I was like, Oh, I wonder if:
570
:is tough guys got that from this.
571
:Where he tries to prove himself again
about being a badass criminal and he
572
:robs a bank and there's no money in it.
573
:I
574
:vaguely remember that.
575
:So yeah, so I was, I was when I saw that,
I wondered if tough guys was playing
576
:an homage to, to Bonnie and Clyde.
577
:All right, so now we're going to get
into our break into two, which is the
578
:fourth uh, point of the four point push.
579
:26 minutes in when CW helps them
rob a bank, a real bank this time,
580
:it results in Clyde killing a man.
581
:The reason why I think this beat is
the break into two because now your
582
:violent crime spree has started.
583
:Now they're all on the run.
584
:Even the ones that didn't pull the
trigger are now accessories to murder.
585
:Yep.
586
:So now, none of them can go back.
587
:Right?
588
:And this is Clyde's
first time killing a man.
589
:So it's big for him too.
590
:Now it's his upside down world as well.
591
:Yeah.
592
:Right?
593
:So now the world for all
of them have flipped.
594
:They're now officially in act two.
595
:And immediately after that, you
know, we start the fun and games.
596
:Clyde realizes the gravity of his new
world as he interrogates a saddened C.
597
:W.
598
:in the movie theater.
599
:He's basically making him cry
for parking the fucking car.
600
:Why did you park the car?
601
:In the middle of a bank
robbery and you parked the car.
602
:Also in the hotel room there's another
failed sexual encounter between
603
:them, between Bonnie and Clyde.
604
:This time Clyde initiates it.
605
:But he ends it quick when he realizes,
you know, it ain't working out.
606
:And he's not getting he's
not getting stiffy, you know?
607
:So this is the second
of the rule of three.
608
:So the first time Bonnie initiated
it and he stopped it because he's,
609
:you know, he's impotent, basically
second time he initiates it cause
610
:he's got, he's still on kind of like
a high now that they're on the run and
611
:they killed somebody and he tries to
initiate this and it doesn't work out.
612
:So he ends it then too.
613
:So that's the second time
there'll be a third time later.
614
:B story, so we always talk
about the B story When does
615
:the B story generally come in?
616
:About a half hour in, right?
617
:Usually about 30 minutes in, like 30
minutes in, we see Hooper and Jaws, right?
618
:Chris: Sometimes it depends on the
length of the film though, but still,
619
:Jerome: yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure.
620
:But in a basic film, 30 minutes
into Legally Blonde, right?
621
:We meet Jennifer Coolidge's
character, right?
622
:So usually, so usually about a half hour
in, at the 34 minute mark of this film.
623
:Clyde's brother Buck arrives
with his new wife Blanche.
624
:And I may have to say, God, I, I,
I know I realized it when I saw it.
625
:However many years ago in college,
I definitely felt it this time.
626
:She might be the most
annoying person in the film.
627
:And it's sad because it's filled
with such intriguing people.
628
:She is the worst one.
629
:She is so fucking annoying.
630
:And she wins an Oscar for it.
631
:So apparently it worked.
632
:It worked apparently.
633
:However, I feel ironically,
this is my opinion, that Blanche
634
:serves as the B story because
what does the B story do, right?
635
:The B story drives the protagonist to
their And while we've already argued
636
:to the death that these two probably
have flat arcs and there's no spiritual
637
:goal for them to learn, she does,
she is very important to driving them
638
:to the closing of this film, right?
639
:She drives them to their end, so to speak.
640
:It's really, really important.
641
:On her.
642
:Right.
643
:All right.
644
:So then we have some more fun and games,
grocery delivery boys, suspiciously
645
:looks at the house, which causes a
police shootout because of course,
646
:he's going to go back and tell them
we think it's the Barrow gang, which
647
:by now they're the Barrow gang and
they're, you know, they're right.
648
:So now we're fully on an act to And
this one, Buck even tells Blanche
649
:she screwed up when they're, when
they're making their getaway.
650
:Also later in this segment, we take
we, we meet Ranger Captain Frank Hamer.
651
:They take him as sort of pseudo
hostage, just so they can embarrass
652
:him by taking pictures with him.
653
:He spits in Bonnie's face.
654
:And he's another one that's going
to become way more important later.
655
:Midpoint scene around the 57 minute
mark, which is again pretty standard
656
:It's pretty much the exactly the
middle of an hour and 51 minute film.
657
:The Barrow gang robs the bank And
the media hype is splashed across the
658
:newspapers They rob another bank and their
media hype is all over the newspapers.
659
:So this is the first I don't want to
say it's the first fame, but it's where
660
:Bonnie and Clyde are starting to read
about themselves in the paper more.
661
:Right?
662
:And, and this is the
fame that they wanted.
663
:Along with the picture that
they took of the, of Frank
664
:Hamer, that gets published too.
665
:They're celebrities.
666
:So that's about as achieving as
much as a tangible goal as you can
667
:get halfway through the film, you
know We always say the tangible
668
:goal you achieve at the midpoint.
669
:Well fame is what they wanted.
670
:They got it at the midpoint Bad guys
closing in the second half of the film
671
:starts happiness in paradise doesn't
last long as Blance wants her share
672
:And she pisses off Bonnie Needing
a new car, they try to steal, then
673
:kidnap the car's owners, Eugene and
Velma, Gene Wilder's first appearance.
674
:And again, you, you got, if you, if you
haven't seen this, you gotta watch it.
675
:One of the things to look for is how
novice Wilder was at acting at this point.
676
:Again, unless it was Arthur
Penn's intention and his
677
:direction to do it that way.
678
:He just, he like, at one point, I
even think he looks at the camera and
679
:he's like, Oh, I'm so mad right now.
680
:Oh, I really want to get my hands on
these guys, like for stealing its car.
681
:Like it's so bad.
682
:Like, I don't believe him at all,
683
:but it's, but it's funny.
684
:And it's comical.
685
:So maybe it was done on purpose.
686
:I don't know.
687
:Yeah.
688
:I felt like that through a
689
:lot of this movie.
690
:It was fun to watch though, because of
691
:that, you know their joy ride turns
sour as Bonnie and Eugene reveal Oh.
692
:It turns sour for Bonnie when Eugene
reveals that he works as an undertaker.
693
:That's sort of like reality
crashing into this moment.
694
:She demands the car stop.
695
:They kick him out.
696
:It's a shift in tone
and sadness for Bonnie.
697
:So much so the next
morning, she runs away.
698
:They do catch up with her.
699
:They do.
700
:She tells Clyde that she wants
to see her mother again because
701
:now she's fearing death, right?
702
:right
703
:It's kind of like in barbie the beginning
of barbie when she's like does any of you
704
:guys think about dying and like the whole
World just stops and they're like what you
705
:know, because that's like the first hint
that like She's starting to transition
706
:right same thing here for Bonnie.
707
:It's been all fun, right?
708
:It's been a barrel ass other than not
getting as much dick as she's wanted
709
:From Clyde for obvious reasons on
Clyde's part Other than that, this
710
:has been a hell of a ride so far.
711
:Chris: So what do you
mean by obvious reasons?
712
:so I read some trivia about that because
There's debate on whether or not,
713
:like what, what, what his problem was.
714
:Was he gay?
715
:Was he, was he just impotent?
716
:And there's, there's, there's, I don't
know if that anyone really knows.
717
:Jerome: They don't, they don't.
718
:What I, what I looked up
is they never really knew.
719
:Arthur Penn and Beatty got together
when they were, when they were creating
720
:the script, they made the decision
that they didn't want to make him gay.
721
:They just wanted to, I
mean, again, this is:
722
:Warren Beatty is, you know, you know
723
:Chris: I mean, if they knew he was
and they didn't, I got a problem with
724
:that, but they don't really know.
725
:Jerome: But even in 1967,
that's, that's the norm.
726
:You know what I mean?
727
:doubtful somebody in
Beatty's position would want.
728
:Yeah, I mean,
729
:obviously, yeah, it's not a good
look, but for:
730
:been the only look right there.
731
:Today I would think you'd be even worse
by today's standards that if you were
732
:doing a real life movie about Let's
say you were gonna, you know, Sean Penn
733
:won an Oscar for playing Harvey Milk.
734
:What if you redid Milk and you
cast a guy playing a straight,
735
:you know, playing him straight?
736
:Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
737
:That's what I mean.
738
:Jerome: Right, but still people
would be like, what the fuck dude?
739
:Like, you know, that'd be like redoing
Malcolm X and making the dude white.
740
:Chris: Damn.
741
:Jerome: You know, people would
be like, okay, bad casting, bad
742
:decision, but 1967, but you're right.
743
:They didn't even really know
there was no, nobody's really
744
:known the real Clyde Barrow.
745
:If he was, if he was impotent, if he was
gay, there was only, the only thing they
746
:knew is that there was sexual tension
between him and Bonnie that they didn't.
747
:Right.
748
:Get it on.
749
:Right, right, right.
750
:Um, So from what I read Arthur
Penn and, and Beatty decided
751
:to just make him impotent.
752
:So that was, that was gonna be their,
their the, the driving force on the,
753
:the sexual tension between the two, but.
754
:As I was saying, up until
this point, like, the crime
755
:spree has been fun for Bonnie.
756
:Like, this is great to get out
of her boring waitress life.
757
:Yeah.
758
:Until she hears that Gene Wilder's
character is an undertaker,
759
:all of a sudden it's like the
world just crashes down on her.
760
:Like, we're gonna die someday.
761
:Yeah.
762
:Like, you know what I mean?
763
:Like, this is going to only end in death.
764
:So she realizes at that moment,
like, I want to see my mom again.
765
:I want to see my mom one last time.
766
:At the one hour well,
767
:Chris: I'm really quick
before you move on.
768
:Could you imagine a 2025 remake of Bonnie
and Clyde where they do take liberties
769
:with this sexuality just to Because
that no one knows and they would just
770
:do the opposite of what was originally
done Make it you know making him
771
:impotent so I could see I could see it.
772
:I could see someone doing that
773
:Jerome: Like making him gay?
774
:Chris: Yeah, but I mean, but redoing
the movie and making it not as cheesy.
775
:You know what I mean?
776
:And just making a little drama about him.
777
:Jerome: Obviously, this is a movie that's
ripe for a remake, even though we've
778
:seen lovers on the run movies before.
779
:If they were going to remake it and
call it Bonnie and Clyde, I think
780
:it would have some intrigue to it.
781
:Chris: Yeah, for sure.
782
:Jerome: But how are you gonna,
like, like I said, it's impact was
783
:it was groundbreaking as far as
violence we are so we've seen it all
784
:like what would they possibly do?
785
:You know what I mean?
786
:Like Natural Born Killers is pretty
much a Bonnie and Clyde remake.
787
:Chris: I know they did it
with a Stars Born, right?
788
:They keep remaking that damn movie.
789
:Jerome: They do.
790
:Yeah, that movie gets remade
like every 15 20 years.
791
:Like, it's ridiculous.
792
:That movie's been made four times.
793
:Chris: Bradley Cooper play um, Clyde.
794
:Jerome: Yeah, well, yeah, but yeah,
like we talked about it on the uh,
795
:Chris: Lady Gaga could be Bonnie.
796
:Jerome: The, the war, the
war episode we did, right?
797
:All Quiet.
798
:Chris: I'd go see that.
799
:Jerome: All Quiet on the Western Front is
the, is the war version of A Star Is Born.
800
:Right, right, right.
801
:Because that one's also been
remade like four or five times.
802
:So yeah, we can start doing
that with Bonnie and Clyde.
803
:Just every 20 years we remake another one.
804
:It's been more than 20 years though.
805
:It's definitely due for a remake.
806
:But and I'm not, I'm not
condoning remakes, by the way.
807
:I'm not sitting there saying
I want that to happen.
808
:I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
809
:Chris: Yeah, that's actually kind of
shocking when you think about Hollywood.
810
:And, yeah, I mean, and
it's such a popular story.
811
:I mean, people, even if you've
never seen the movie, you've
812
:heard of Bonnie and Clyde.
813
:Jerome: Well, like I said, yeah, exactly.
814
:And, and, you know, We've seen a lot
of lovers on the run movies before
815
:so maybe Hollywood's just like yeah,
then they're done that You know what?
816
:I mean, maybe we haven't remade Bonnie
and Clyde, you know per se but we've done
817
:movies like that enough So, I don't know.
818
:I don't know
819
:Chris: if you're an aspiring writer
and producer and Take this one on.
820
:Jerome: Don't, don't start
off by doing a remake.
821
:That would be my suggestion.
822
:Don't listen to my, don't listen
to my brother on that one.
823
:All right.
824
:Chris: Maybe all you
want to do is remakes.
825
:Reimaginings.
826
:Jerome: At least you won't be unoriginal.
827
:All right, at the one hour, nine minute
mark, there is a family reunion of sorts
828
:for the Barrow gang and Bonnie's family.
829
:Again, mostly they're treated like
celebrities by these people, right?
830
:The, the, the poor downtrodden you
know, depression era folks although mama
831
:Parker isn't exactly happy about Clyde
crashing into her daughter's life, right?
832
:She, she knows what that's going
to mean eventually in the end.
833
:Chris: You can tell she was not
thrilled with the whole situation.
834
:Jerome: She's not having it.
835
:Chris: I felt that as a
parent, I was like, Oh my God.
836
:And while Bonnie is still depressed
when they get back to the cabin.
837
:Blanche
838
:Jerome: and CW get noticed by a cop
in town while they're buying food.
839
:This of course leads to
yet another shootout.
840
:And this one is a big one.
841
:Buck takes a round in the side
of the head and it's going to
842
:prove to hinder the group forever.
843
:That leads us to our all is lost.
844
:The next morning at the one hour,
24 minute mark, Blanche sustained
845
:wounds to her eyes as well.
846
:Buck dies and while surrounded
by cops, Blanche about to fulfill
847
:her role as the B story that will
lead to the protagonist's death.
848
:And she gets arrested.
849
:So Blanche is arrested and Buck is dead.
850
:Bonnie and Clyde, though both wounded and
CW, they they, they find a hole and they
851
:slip through to get away from the cops.
852
:Dark Night of the Soul, out of resources
and options, What's Left of the Barrel
853
:Gang goes to an Old West version of
Skid Row, where all the poor folks are
854
:just sort of like, you know, crippled
together in this, depression era sort
855
:of like, like I said, it's like the
equivalent of LA's Skid Row, but, but
856
:it's not under freeways or on, you
know, it's out in the middle of nowhere.
857
:And it's everybody just trying
to make, you know ways to
858
:get by food, clothing water.
859
:But again, when they arrive,
they're like celebrities.
860
:So these people that have virtually
nothing are giving them stuff.
861
:They're giving them food, they're giving
them water, they're giving them soup.
862
:When CW gets the soup from one of them,
he smiles, you know, and realizes at this
863
:point, That they, they need more help.
864
:Right.
865
:So he makes the decision at the one
hour and 30 minute mark that CW is
866
:going to take the gang to dad's house.
867
:And that's Malcolm Moss.
868
:His father isn't happy about all of
this, but he agrees to look after them.
869
:So now we're going to break into
three as the A and B stories collide
870
:as Hamer questions, a wounded
Blanche and get CW's name, that was
871
:really all he needed to find them.
872
:Right.
873
:Because they know Malcolm,
they know the father.
874
:This is gonna lead to
the five point finale.
875
:Now, before I get to my five point
finale or Blake Snyder's five point
876
:finale, I should say, Side note.
877
:This five point finale is unique in the
way that it almost completely goes away
878
:from the point of view of Bonnie and
Clyde that we've done the whole time.
879
:And it almost becomes from
the point of view of the cops.
880
:It's almost, you could argue
the cops five point finale.
881
:And it's, it's from
the cops and Malcolm's.
882
:Chris: And how else would we know
what the end of the story was
883
:from the cop's point of view?
884
:Right,
885
:Jerome: right.
886
:So I think that's why it does this
shift, because if you, if you stay
887
:from the point of view of Bonnie
and Clyde, the ending is too abrupt.
888
:It doesn't make much sense.
889
:You don't know how or why it
happened and the movie would be over.
890
:Chris: Right.
891
:Right.
892
:Jerome: They, they have to flip it in
the third act to almost let give the
893
:audience sort of like that superior
position to where they know things
894
:that Bonnie and Clyde don't know.
895
:Right.
896
:Right.
897
:Yeah.
898
:So, so we'll do it from
that point of view.
899
:So, all right, five points.
900
:Number one, gathering the team.
901
:At the one hour, 40 minute mark, Malcolm
meets and makes a deal with Hamer.
902
:Interestingly in their own
gathering the team kind of way,
903
:Bonnie and Clyde finally, fuck.
904
:Chris: Gathering the team.
905
:Jerome: I put that under
gathering the team!
906
:He finally gets enough of a Woody
down there to to get his first boning.
907
:It's Bonnie's first boning with Clyde.
908
:And this is the final move of the
three, of the three point, right?
909
:Of the, the rule of three.
910
:This was the third one.
911
:The third one is a success, whereas
the previous two were failures, so.
912
:So Clyde gathered his billions of team.
913
:Chris: He even, what did he say about it?
914
:He even made mention of the fact that
he got, he did the deed or something.
915
:Jerome: Yeah,
916
:he's fucking patting
himself on the back, man.
917
:He loved it.
918
:And who doesn't love it the
first time you fuck, right?
919
:Even if it's a terrible experience,
you're like, I, I fucked!
920
:I fucked!
921
:No matter what happens to me the
rest of my life, I'm a fucker!
922
:I'm a fucker now!
923
:Right?
924
:Like Maybe that's just a guy's point
of view, I don't know if women I
925
:don't know if women, fair enough, I
don't know if women feel that way,
926
:but let me tell you how dudes feel.
927
:Again, even if it was a terrible
experience, and you nutted like in 12
928
:seconds or whatever, you still, you go
home that day, and you're like, I fucked.
929
:I fucked.
930
:How many of my friends have fucked?
931
:I don't know, but I have.
932
:And that's, that's all
that matters at that point.
933
:Chris: I don't think I can use any of
that as our intro, our comic intro.
934
:It's just too, oh my god.
935
:Jerome: Okay, hang on,
I need a refill here.
936
:Chris: I'm leaving it in the podcast.
937
:So, cause this is, this is
100 percent genuine Jerome.
938
:Jerome: This is gold.
939
:This is it's gold, Jerry.
940
:It's gold.
941
:All right.
942
:Hang on.
943
:I need to know if I have enough Jerome.
944
:Yeah.
945
:I'm going to pour, this might be the
last of my tequila in this bottle.
946
:Chris: Oh boy.
947
:Jerome: Yeah.
948
:I may have to open a new bottle.
949
:Chris: Yeah.
950
:I think you may.
951
:Jerome: I'll do that later.
952
:I finished it up here.
953
:Now I'm going to try, I don't know if I
stepped too far away from the thing there,
954
:I am going to try and do what I said.
955
:Look at that.
956
:It was the last of my sweet
and sour mix to mixer.
957
:Now I did have another one in
case I was going to keep going.
958
:You are prepared.
959
:I am very prepared.
960
:All right.
961
:So what did I say?
962
:The concoction was one drop red.
963
:Chris: Yeah.
964
:Do two blue.
965
:Jerome: I tried to violet, violet.
966
:Chris: Well, two, try two of those.
967
:Jerome: Oh shit, I think I did three.
968
:It sort of sprayed out of me.
969
:Much like Clyde's Gathering of the Team.
970
:Oh yeah, yep, this one's
gonna be nice and more purple.
971
:Chris: More purple.
972
:Jerome: Yep.
973
:If I do it just purple, it's too purpley.
974
:Yeah.
975
:Clarence's Cadillac in True
Romance has a tint of red to it.
976
:Chris: It's almost pinkish.
977
:Yeah, well like, Pinkish purple, yeah.
978
:Jerome: And that's the funny thing is
that Elvis Elvis This car was a pink
979
:Cadillac, didn't he write a song about it?
980
:So it's supposed to be pink,
but his is a little purplish.
981
:Chris: Let's see it.
982
:Oh yeah, that's more purple.
983
:There you go.
984
:Jerome: That's more.
985
:There you go.
986
:There we go.
987
:Nice.
988
:So it was two drops.
989
:Alright.
990
:So to continue the five point finale,
the next part is execution of the plan.
991
:CW does as he's told and stays away
oh, I kind of glossed over that part.
992
:Malcolm, tells his son to stay away from
Bonnie and Clyde when they get into town.
993
:He's got something planned.
994
:Execution of the plan.
995
:CW does as he's told.
996
:He stays away.
997
:Bonnie and Clyde flee the town when they
see the cops are putting the pressure on.
998
:They leave without CW.
999
:They're just figuring out
he'll make it back on his own.
:
00:45:09,962 --> 00:45:12,802
And they see Malcolm on the side of the
road and they pull over to help him.
:
00:45:13,292 --> 00:45:15,612
After all, they know who
Malcolm is and he'd help them.
:
00:45:15,612 --> 00:45:16,602
So why not help him?
:
00:45:17,557 --> 00:45:19,267
Now they're out in the open and exposed.
:
00:45:19,507 --> 00:45:20,727
High tower surprise.
:
00:45:21,027 --> 00:45:24,277
Innocent bystanders put Malcolm's
plan in jeopardy as they roll up on
:
00:45:24,277 --> 00:45:25,937
the scene when it's about to go down.
:
00:45:26,377 --> 00:45:29,377
That's, again, now we're doing it from
the point of view of Malcolm, right?
:
00:45:29,387 --> 00:45:33,217
His whole plan is working out until
he sees innocent bystanders coming.
:
00:45:33,537 --> 00:45:34,467
And he's like, Shit!
:
00:45:34,717 --> 00:45:35,537
What are we gonna do?
:
00:45:35,787 --> 00:45:36,627
Dig down deep.
:
00:45:36,637 --> 00:45:39,127
Malcolm's forced to make
a quick thinking decision.
:
00:45:39,607 --> 00:45:43,237
And he, as he looks into the bushes,
where the cops are, and he gives
:
00:45:43,237 --> 00:45:44,867
them the it's now or never look.
:
00:45:44,897 --> 00:45:46,367
And then he dives under the car.
:
00:45:47,157 --> 00:45:47,727
For cover.
:
00:45:48,087 --> 00:45:49,617
Five execution of the new plan.
:
00:45:49,617 --> 00:45:51,427
The cops come out and they start firing.
:
00:45:51,427 --> 00:45:54,997
There's a, first of all, a nice little
editing moment where Clyde sees what's
:
00:45:54,997 --> 00:45:58,677
going on and he looks at Bonnie and
she looks at him and he looks at her
:
00:45:58,687 --> 00:46:01,787
and it was, you know, it's a lot of
quick edit cuts, but it's almost this
:
00:46:01,787 --> 00:46:03,567
moment of they know they're dead, right?
:
00:46:04,882 --> 00:46:06,212
And that's the execution of the plan.
:
00:46:06,212 --> 00:46:09,352
The cops come out with their machine guns
and they start firing like crazy and they
:
00:46:09,352 --> 00:46:12,872
gunned them down in a bloody massacre,
which again did happen in real life.
:
00:46:12,882 --> 00:46:14,382
That is really how they got them.
:
00:46:14,522 --> 00:46:17,052
Although I think in real life,
she was eating a sandwich.
:
00:46:17,052 --> 00:46:20,022
I think they said she was eating
a sandwich and they shot her
:
00:46:20,022 --> 00:46:20,992
while she was eating a sandwich.
:
00:46:21,122 --> 00:46:21,742
Wow.
:
00:46:22,252 --> 00:46:23,172
Fucking ruthless.
:
00:46:23,832 --> 00:46:25,562
At least let her finish
the goddamn sandwich.
:
00:46:25,572 --> 00:46:25,912
All right.
:
00:46:26,292 --> 00:46:28,002
So the crime spree is now officially over.
:
00:46:28,812 --> 00:46:29,492
So again, okay.
:
00:46:29,492 --> 00:46:31,632
Notes on the goals, as
we mentioned, right?
:
00:46:31,632 --> 00:46:33,792
There's a strong argument
to be made for the flat arc.
:
00:46:34,262 --> 00:46:35,212
I don't really know.
:
00:46:35,212 --> 00:46:39,252
I mean, unless you disagree, you know,
I've realized on these shows, I always
:
00:46:39,252 --> 00:46:43,312
say things that this is how it is,
but really these were film is very,
:
00:46:43,332 --> 00:46:46,232
you know, a nice conversation piece.
:
00:46:46,342 --> 00:46:48,902
Chris: We have argued on some
character points and stuff.
:
00:46:48,902 --> 00:46:52,202
I remember one with Robin Williams
or something, but I don't know.
:
00:46:52,202 --> 00:46:53,342
I don't see it on this one.
:
00:46:54,712 --> 00:46:55,782
Jerome: Not much of an arc, right?
:
00:46:55,792 --> 00:46:57,552
Like they don't really
learn anything, right?
:
00:46:58,732 --> 00:47:01,622
If they were going to learn anything,
it was within the last few seconds.
:
00:47:01,622 --> 00:47:04,682
And what they learned is
we're fucking dead, right?
:
00:47:04,682 --> 00:47:09,582
Chris: Like it's one of those, I mean,
it wasn't, it's based on a true story.
:
00:47:10,052 --> 00:47:13,292
So when it's based on a
true story, I don't know.
:
00:47:13,342 --> 00:47:16,822
I mean, how would you have written
it to give them an arc where they
:
00:47:16,822 --> 00:47:20,242
learn something, maybe, maybe they
learn something right before the.
:
00:47:21,267 --> 00:47:22,457
Pulled or something.
:
00:47:22,457 --> 00:47:23,027
I don't know.
:
00:47:23,537 --> 00:47:24,817
It's, it's hard to do though.
:
00:47:24,827 --> 00:47:28,857
It's like, you know, I mean, cause they're
just really making up a lot of this story.
:
00:47:29,157 --> 00:47:30,327
So they could have made it.
:
00:47:30,697 --> 00:47:32,637
Why not give it a good character arc.
:
00:47:32,767 --> 00:47:34,957
Jerome: I mean, you could, you
could argue that if there was
:
00:47:34,957 --> 00:47:36,437
the flat arc, it's mostly Clydes.
:
00:47:36,477 --> 00:47:38,057
Bonnie's actually has an arc.
:
00:47:38,057 --> 00:47:39,927
She starts as a bored waitress, right?
:
00:47:40,317 --> 00:47:45,867
And she dreams of, Life and she
gets that at the midpoint, right?
:
00:47:46,427 --> 00:47:50,447
And the lesson she learns is that that
kind of life isn't sustainable, you know,
:
00:47:50,537 --> 00:47:53,947
and, and that maybe if she was still just
a bored housewife, she'd still be alive.
:
00:47:54,947 --> 00:47:56,637
Housewife, bored waitress.
:
00:47:56,637 --> 00:47:58,077
If she was just a bored waitress.
:
00:47:58,257 --> 00:47:59,187
She'd still be alive.
:
00:47:59,387 --> 00:48:01,657
So if anything, that
that's her arc, right?
:
00:48:01,717 --> 00:48:05,947
I mean, she sends pictures and her poems
to the papers you know, and becomes
:
00:48:05,957 --> 00:48:07,827
sort of like a hero to the downtrodden.
:
00:48:08,517 --> 00:48:09,167
Chris: Interesting.
:
00:48:09,177 --> 00:48:13,067
Cause you know, if you, if you made
this today, a modern day version
:
00:48:13,177 --> 00:48:18,177
of Bonnie and Clyde, she'd be
putting it on Instagram, right?
:
00:48:18,197 --> 00:48:18,412
Right.
:
00:48:18,412 --> 00:48:20,047
It'd be a viral sensation.
:
00:48:20,057 --> 00:48:22,417
Jerome: They'd be doing Facebook
live when they robbed banks.
:
00:48:22,687 --> 00:48:22,877
Chris: Right.
:
00:48:22,907 --> 00:48:23,517
No shit.
:
00:48:23,857 --> 00:48:24,720
And think about it.
:
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:25,317
Think about it.
:
00:48:25,327 --> 00:48:26,687
Cause that kind of shit has happened.
:
00:48:27,042 --> 00:48:27,342
Jerome: Right.
:
00:48:27,362 --> 00:48:30,572
And think about like the hits that
it would get on YouTube, right?
:
00:48:31,032 --> 00:48:34,282
Like it would be, I mean, it
would be, it would be huge.
:
00:48:34,282 --> 00:48:35,282
So, okay.
:
00:48:35,312 --> 00:48:39,512
So media celebrities, again, as I
mentioned, one can't help but think
:
00:48:39,512 --> 00:48:43,072
that At least part of the inspiration
for two early Tarantino screenplays,
:
00:48:43,072 --> 00:48:46,192
True Romance, which we're going to
talk about, and Natural Born Killers.
:
00:48:46,652 --> 00:48:50,802
I, I would be surprised if Tarantino,
who worked many years in a video
:
00:48:50,802 --> 00:48:54,182
store probably has seen Bonnie and
Clyde a million times, if this wasn't
:
00:48:54,182 --> 00:48:57,522
at least a little bit in the back
of his mind when he wrote those two.
:
00:48:58,132 --> 00:49:00,452
So, okay, so let's wrap
this up with some trivia.
:
00:49:00,532 --> 00:49:00,802
Yeah.
:
00:49:01,262 --> 00:49:03,832
Jack Warner, the head of
the Warner Brothers Studios.
:
00:49:03,932 --> 00:49:07,802
Was having an argument over production
with Warren Beatty in his office.
:
00:49:07,972 --> 00:49:10,402
I don't know if you're familiar
with the Warner Brothers set in
:
00:49:10,412 --> 00:49:14,602
Hollywood in Burbank, but it's got
that big water tower that has WB on
:
00:49:14,602 --> 00:49:18,632
it, you know, so that's outside his
window and while they're arguing.
:
00:49:19,197 --> 00:49:20,957
Over what they want to
do with this production.
:
00:49:20,957 --> 00:49:23,807
Jack Warner says, Hey,
whose name is on that?
:
00:49:24,017 --> 00:49:25,947
Whose name is on that
water tower out there?
:
00:49:26,057 --> 00:49:27,117
Which baby replied?
:
00:49:27,177 --> 00:49:28,257
Yeah, my initials
:
00:49:31,697 --> 00:49:37,527
Yeah, it's awesome, man so I
thought that was a great story.
:
00:49:37,907 --> 00:49:40,507
I think Beatty himself is
where I heard that story.
:
00:49:40,507 --> 00:49:41,267
He told that story.
:
00:49:41,647 --> 00:49:46,897
Um, When, when Clyde tells her, this is
another interesting part when he gives
:
00:49:46,897 --> 00:49:50,947
the theme stated when they're in that
little diner at the beginning, Clyde
:
00:49:50,947 --> 00:49:55,057
tells her to change her hairstyle because
he quote unquote doesn't like that.
:
00:49:55,147 --> 00:49:56,577
And she immediately obliges.
:
00:49:57,167 --> 00:50:00,377
It was another, for me, another
one of those cringe moments of a
:
00:50:00,377 --> 00:50:02,087
man telling a woman what to do.
:
00:50:02,397 --> 00:50:05,787
We talked about it in the The
Children of a Lesser God episode.
:
00:50:05,807 --> 00:50:06,217
Right.
:
00:50:06,287 --> 00:50:06,717
Chris: Right?
:
00:50:06,787 --> 00:50:07,167
Yeah.
:
00:50:07,277 --> 00:50:11,257
Jerome: However, on the next
viewing, I realized why I didn't even
:
00:50:11,277 --> 00:50:14,617
catch it until I saw it the second
time, or rather the third time.
:
00:50:15,177 --> 00:50:18,527
Because the first time was in college,
obviously it went right over my head then.
:
00:50:18,827 --> 00:50:21,387
But then watching it for this podcast,
I didn't catch it on the first viewing
:
00:50:21,387 --> 00:50:22,907
then either, until the second viewing.
:
00:50:23,317 --> 00:50:26,067
The waitress comes over and
she's got the same hairdo!
:
00:50:27,027 --> 00:50:29,427
, ah, she's got the same hair thing.
:
00:50:29,697 --> 00:50:31,797
And when he looks at
her, and I, I caught it.
:
00:50:31,797 --> 00:50:33,387
I caught it on the third viewing.
:
00:50:33,387 --> 00:50:34,377
Chris: I didn't catch that either, huh?
:
00:50:34,407 --> 00:50:35,817
Jerome: Because of the
way he looks at her.
:
00:50:35,817 --> 00:50:37,377
And I'm like, why is he
looking at her like that?
:
00:50:37,377 --> 00:50:38,067
That's kind of weird.
:
00:50:38,067 --> 00:50:41,697
And then I realized she has the same
hair thing on the side of her head.
:
00:50:41,757 --> 00:50:42,147
Okay.
:
00:50:42,177 --> 00:50:45,567
And, and Clyde sort of looks at it,
and then when she walks away, he looks
:
00:50:45,567 --> 00:50:46,887
at Bonnie who's got the same thing.
:
00:50:46,887 --> 00:50:47,997
And he goes, I don't like that.
:
00:50:47,997 --> 00:50:48,657
Change that.
:
00:50:48,947 --> 00:50:51,887
Well, and it's still,
it's still cringey though.
:
00:50:52,282 --> 00:50:52,942
Oh, definitely.
:
00:50:52,952 --> 00:50:56,742
He could have said he here's, and
again, I don't like to rewrite
:
00:50:56,742 --> 00:50:59,782
stuff, but I did it with Hoffa and
I'm going to rewrite this one too.
:
00:51:00,112 --> 00:51:03,562
What I would have done is I
would have had Bonnie see it.
:
00:51:04,352 --> 00:51:04,682
Right.
:
00:51:04,682 --> 00:51:08,182
And if, and if Bonnie sees it and is
like, fuck that, I can't believe I
:
00:51:08,182 --> 00:51:11,682
have the same hairdo as that old ass
waitress and then changes her hair.
:
00:51:11,782 --> 00:51:13,142
And then maybe Clyde could be like,
:
00:51:13,152 --> 00:51:15,152
Chris: yeah, that would have had
a completely different feel then.
:
00:51:15,392 --> 00:51:17,162
Jerome: And then Clyde would
be like, what are you doing?
:
00:51:17,162 --> 00:51:19,212
And she'd just be like, I don't
like this hairstyle anymore.
:
00:51:19,232 --> 00:51:19,722
You know what I mean?
:
00:51:19,722 --> 00:51:21,027
Like you could easily have fixed it.
:
00:51:21,342 --> 00:51:22,033
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
:
00:51:22,038 --> 00:51:26,637
But for:a man telling women what to do.
:
00:51:26,967 --> 00:51:30,957
Caveman man, telling
women, I don't like that.
:
00:51:30,957 --> 00:51:31,467
Change it.
:
00:51:31,887 --> 00:51:32,157
You know?
:
00:51:32,337 --> 00:51:32,547
Right.
:
00:51:33,797 --> 00:51:34,487
So , okay.
:
00:51:34,487 --> 00:51:36,767
So like we already talked about
this, the film's brutality
:
00:51:36,767 --> 00:51:38,327
changed the landscape for movies.
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It opened the door to more violent
movies that would take over in the
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seventies, particularly The Godfather
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sonny's death at the toll, at the toll
booth getting shot up with a machine
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gun is an homage to Bonnie and Clyde.
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When did Psycho come out?
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What?
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7 years before this movie.
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But that was that old.
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But that was a different type of violence.
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Yeah.
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That wasn't gun violence.
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That was Slasher that definitely
I would think maybe you can argue.
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Yeah, but you could argue that psycho
might have what started slasher movies.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Chris: Yeah crazy,
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Jerome: um
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So, yeah, so the so the argument of
trivia there is that if bonnie and clyde
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never gets released I don't know if
sonny's shooting in the godfather ever
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makes it into the film You know, at
least not with that kind of brutality.
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Right, right.
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So the real life Blanche Barrow hated
how she was portrayed in the film as it
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was an embarrassing characterization.
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However, director Arthur Penn did and
did that intentionally so that Bonnie
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Parker would look cooler by comparison.
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That was a quote by him.
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Additionally, while there has always
been speculation, again we talked
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about this already, speculation about
Clyde's sexuality, it was Beatty and
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Penn who decided to make him impotent.
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They felt it added a far better
layer to his personality, especially
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with the sexual tension with Bonnie.
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Anything else you got?
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Chris: No.
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No.
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I can't wait to get to the next one.
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So, this was fun.
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That's where we landed the
plane on Bonnie and Clyde.
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Uh, Stay tuned.
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It won't be long and we'll have
True Romance, Love on the Run
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Part 2 will be dropped very soon.
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Again, hit us up on Instagram or Facebook.
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We'd love to hear from you.
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